GET NJ posted Message 357 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 08:42:06 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board! Welcome to the Message Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 358 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 08:47:17 Subject: test of no e-mail test of no e-mail ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 359 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 08:56:23 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Message Board! followup : Welcome to the Message Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 360 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 09:03:43 Subject: Chiappone Announces Candidacy Chiappone Announces Candidacy Urban Times News March 14 - March 20, 2003 (BAYONNE) Councilman at Large, Anthony Chiappone, announced his intentions regarding the 3 1 St District State Assembly race during a 12:30 p.m. news conference, Tuesday, March 11, at 618 Broadway. Chiappone, 45, is regarded as a strong opponent for 9-term incum- bent, Assemblyman Joe Doria, who is also mayor of Bayonne. In the May 2002 mayoral race in Bayonne, Chiappone ran as an independent against the Doria slate and prevailed as Councilman at Large, getting near- ly as many votes for his seat as Doria did for mayor. As Assemblyman Chiappone will represent the residents of both Jersey City and Bayonne. Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, elected to Mayor in Jersey City in 2001, is run- ning for Senate in the 31St District and will be in attendance. "With Jersey City and Bayonne being so close to major industry and New York City, home-be focused on," Chiappone said. Chiappone, a self-employed photographer with his own business in Bayonne for the last 20 years, plans to take his message to the resi- dents of Bayonne and Jersey City, going door to door to emphasize his stand on homeland security, educa- tion, senior medical assistance and forcing State Legislatures to mandate Cable Television competition. "Many people are being held hostage to the cable companies, which is their primary source for information," Chiappone said. "Today companies agree to stay out of each other's turf. Without any fair competition, cable customers are forced to accept whatever rate they want to charge subscribers. Simply put, that's a monopoly. That's ille- gal." Chiappone won his bid for first Ward Councilman in 1998, fol- lowed by his victory in 2002 for Councilman at Large. ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 361 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 09:12:09 Subject: test test ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 362 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 09:24:28 Subject: Menendez Should Have Stayed Home Menendez Should Have Stayed Home Urban Times Op-Ed Urban Times News March 14-March 20, 2003 Congressman Robert Menendez last Sunday went South to Birmingham, Alabama to join with Civil Rights Leaders and more than 30 members of Congress in the re-enact- ment of the 1965 Voting Rights Marchs across Edmund Pettus Bridge. This was the Fifth Annual Congressional Pilgrimmage to Selma, Alabama. The conressman reportedly stated "It fills me with pride to march alongside John Lewis, one of our country's greatest civil rights lead- ers." Menendez ought to be ashamed to show his face after he repeatedly banned the first African American Mayor of Jersey City from the Hudson County Democratic Leadership Meeting. Menendez will tell anyone how he is going to destroy Mayor Cunningham no matter what the cost. The Congressman is the worst kind hypocrite. He hides behind Civil Rights leaders trying to appear as though he supports Civil Rights. The Civil Rights fight is all about African American Mayors in Urban areas. Menendez could have saved taxpayers the money for his trip and stayed home. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 363 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 09:35:34 Subject: Mayor Cunningham In Senate Race Mayor Cunningham In Senate Race Urban Times News March 14-March 20, 2003 By Steven Glazer (Jersey City) Flanked by support- ers, friends and the First Lady of Jersey City, Mayor Glenn Cunningham declared his candidacy for the State Senate from the 31st district. Cunningham was intro- duced to the enthusiastic crowd of sup- porters by Dominic Puglisi a former Jersey City Council Member and former Hudson County Sheriff. Bayonne Council Member Anthony Chiappone was posi- tioned to be highly visible to the crowd and is expected to announce his candidacy also. Chiappone is seen as one of several allies in the battle Cunningham faces with the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Cunningham has fired the first shot in a primary battle that could tip the balance of power in Hudson County. The Jersey City Mayor has been embattled since the early days of his term fighting opposition of the Hudson County Democratic Organization throughout Jersey City government. Cunningham said he expects that a Senate victory would strengthen his hand against the for- midable resistance he faces. Redistricting was a concern for Cunningham's cam- paign team but a recent court ruling will leave district boundaries in place for another year. Cunningham is aiming at the Senate Seat of Joseph Charles who has decided not to run. Charles is said to be expecting to move into a judgeship with the Hudson County Superior Court but has yet to be appointed. Cunningham says he needs additional muscle in Trenton the Senate seat will give him. Cunningham hopc~, to gain leverage to do the job in Jersey City and overcome powerful oppo- sition aligned against him as a result of his falling out with the Hudson County Democratic Organization. That falling out broke into open warfare a little more than a year ago when Cunningham supported Bernard Hartnett to serve as interim County Executive. While Hartnett was in office he refused to renew a contract for legal serv- ices for the County with attorney Donald Scarinci. Scarinci had held the $550,000 contract for years until Hartnett refused to renew it without public bidding. Scarinci is Treasurer of Menendez for Congress, top fundraiser for Rep. Robert Menendez D-13. When Hartnett refused to renew the contract Scarinci flew into a rage accord- ing to Hartnett and stalked out. A short time later Cunningham received a call from Menendez asking Cunningham to "straighten" Hartnett out. Cunningham refused to get involved and tensions have been escalating ever since. Hartnett was later beaten by Tom DeGise whom the HCDO ran against him. With DeGise in office, Scarinci later got the contract despite public bidding from seven other firms and despite not being the low bidder and with the with the admitted connivance of former County Counsel Joseph Sherman. Sherman was a partner in the firm Scarinci founded, Scarinci and Hollenbeck. Sherman admitted in an open meeting of Freeholders that he had rigged the bid, withholding critical information from competing law firms to favor Scarinci. Even with Sherman's help Scarinci was not the low bidder and Freeholders awarded the contract to Scarinci anyway. Cunningham and his supporters have been accused of sounding like con- spiracy theorists complaining about opposing forces. Cunningham told reporters that recent drastic cuts in state aid came as a result of, "powerful people putting pressure on the state not to give me what I need so that I can't say I kept taxes down two years in a row." News stories said that Cunningham "tacitly implicated Menendez in a conspiracy to undermine Cunningham's administration." In fact Cunningham has been outspoken and vocal about Menendez' use of his influ- ence to stymie his administration and limit future aspirations. Menendez' chief fund raiser, Scarinci, is counsel to the State Assembly, was counsel to Governor McGreevey's transition team, and has been backing the Democrats' legal effort to push a redistricting plan through the courts that would radically alter the impact and representation of Jersey City's voters. Detractors discussing the aid cuts have said that the State cut aid because Cunningham's team has financially mis- managed the city. Ironically, the aid that was so drastically cut required the admin- istration to work closely with the State's local finance board and with the board's supervision approving financial actions taken by Cunningham's team. After devel- oping a budget with the state board's bless- ing, that proposal has been stalled by the city council. Council Members met with Menendez during the holiday season in a meeting that apparently violated the Open Meetings Act. In that meeting, in viola- tion of that law, Menendez laid down the law to the lawmakers and told them explicitly to block Cunningham at every turn, according to sources. The budget bogged down in debate and was dealt a body blow by the reduction in state aid, leaving an $8.5 Million bole in what start- ed out to be a balanced budget. There are just seven other cities in the state receiving these payments and all were reduced very slightly from year ago levels, but Jersey City was cut 80%. Longtime activist and supporter Dominic Puglisi said, "In more than 30 years I have never seen anything like this. Hudson County politics have always been rough, but this is way beyond anything I ever saw before. It is all about greed as far as I am concerned." ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 364 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 10:58:19 Subject: test test ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 365 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 11:06:16 Subject: 2nd test test ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 366 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 11:08:14 Subject: 3rd test test 3 ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 367 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 11:18:30 Subject: test 4 test4 ***************** End Of Article ****************** admin posted Message 368 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 11:25:12 Subject: test test ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 369 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 18, 2003 at 11:27:31 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board! Welcome to the Message Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 370 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 30, 2003 at 09:23:05 Subject: Uncle Harvey Leads Council Uncle Harvey Leads Council "Reverse Privatization" Of Employment and Training, Inc. -- One More Nuisance Suit By H.A. Andrews (Jersey City) The Council voted to introduce an ordinance sponsored by L. Harvey Smith that will bring back under the city's umbrella an agency that was cre- ated to stand-alone and benefit from Federal funding. The autonomous Employment and Training Program, Inc. was created on a stand-alone basis to avoid commingling its funds, 100% from the Federal Government, with city finances. Stand-alone status also prom- ised to make the agency's management immune to political wrangling in the city government. The ordinance, if approved would fold the agency back into the city organization chart as a department within the Office of Economic Opportunity. "Putting it back within the city organiza- tion defeats the entire purpose for which this Agency was created," said Executive Director Edward Santiago. As the ordi- nance was approved, Santiago would remain as director. But the move raises questions about what happens to the flow of federal funds to the agency's $5 Million annual budget and control over that flow. "I am afraid that some of it will be absorbed in the pipeline on its way," said Santiago. "I am more worried about the autonomy of the agency and the independ- ence we enjoy. What will happen to that if we come under the control of some city department caught in a political tug-of- war?" "We will take this to the courts if we have to," said Mayor Glenn Cunningham. We are a distressed city and we cannot afford to dissipate our precious cash on frivolous litigation like this. These are experienced people who ought to know better. I refuse to believe that they did not think this through far enough to realize that this means adding 35 employees to the city's payroll. I refuse to believe that our Council members do not know that there is a hiring freeze. This flies in the face of reason. I would hope we have the right to expect better than this from people who call themselves profes- sional and reasonable." Uncle Harvey would not com- ment on the ordinance. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 371 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 30, 2003 at 09:28:06 Subject: Manzo Joins Cunningham And Chiappone In 31st Dist Race By Steven Glazer Urban Times News March 21 - March 27, 2003 (Jersey City) Louis Manzo threw his hat in the ring for 31st District Assembly seat joining the ticket headed by Mayor Glenn Cunningham with Bayonne Council Member Anthony Chiappone. Manzo, a former Freeholder and Jersey City Health Chief rounds out a ticket that will go against the formidable Hudson County Democratic Organization. Freeholder Bill O'Dea told the enthusias- tic crowd that "the organization outspent us five-to-one last time and we outpolled them three-to-two. We intend to go up against the machine and we intend to win. We have been labeled mavericks and it is a lable that I wear proudly. Our strength is built on people, not on megabuck corpo- rate media campaigns." Manzo particularly has been stir- ring interest lately with a novel proposal to tax political campaign contributions. Manzo calls it his "Robin Hood Tax." "All campaign contributions would be taxed just as if it were ordinary earned income. The more you raise, the more you pay. The funds would be directed espe- cially for the benefit of children and sen- iors. I would want to see the money used to restore Seniors' Medicaid cuts and money just cut from the state budget to immunize approximately 6,000 kids in Jersey City," said Manzo. "I wanted to run because I think that the party in power has given up its right to govern and no longer represents the voters that put them in office. They have lost the right to represent the people. They only care about the holders of no-bid contracts," said Manzo. "That is why over in Bergen County, they get Xanadu and here in Hudson, we get raw sewage and household trash. They have sold out every retail merchant here in Hudson County. We are in danger of becoming the Garbage Capital of the East Coast, if not the country, thanks to these guys. But it's OK as long as the right people keep on getting their contracts. When they run a campaign fundraiser, they are looking out into a room full of contract holders. When we hold an event like this one we look out and see our friends and our neighbors, the people who with live with." Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham told the crowd "We are building a movement here to liberate our city from the power brokers. The whole system is geared toward them getting their buddies more contracts. We are going to move out and liberate other towns in Hudson County. With us everything will be out in the open. ***************** End Of Article ****************** MoMo posted Message 372 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : March 31, 2003 at 19:38:55 Subject: World's shortest giant? I see that Bernard Kenny got the laurels as the state's most trustworthy politician. Isn't that a little like getting the title of world's shortest giant? ***************** End Of Article ****************** BOBBY JACKSON posted Message 373 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 08:09:27 Subject: Re: World's shortest giant? : I see that Bernard Kenny got the laurels as the state's most trustworthy politician. Isn't that a little like getting the title of world's shortest giant? And steven Glazer is a DRUNK! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 374 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 09:12:50 Subject: Mutiny On The County -- Steps That Is Urban Times News March 28 - April 03,2003 By Steven Glazer Jersey City-It was as though a group of circus seals and drunken rodeo clowns got together and decided to hold a press conference and photo opportunity and everybody came-only they came to the wrong place. Just for the five of them- Jersey City Council Members-to be there together at the same violates the Sunshine law, governing meetings of public officials. This makes the second time since the holi- day season that this has happened. For ded- icated public servants on a mission like these, lawmakers at that, it is apparently of little importance. County employees also employed by the City of Jersey City plus Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith appeared with Jersey City Corporation Counsel Alex Booth, in support of Booth's mutiny against Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. The group appeared on the steps outside Hudson County's historic old Courthouse in front of the office of County Executive Tom DeGise, himself a former Jersey City Council alumnus, in support of Corporation Counsel Alex Booth, who refuses to be fired. Every member of the group has strong ties to the Hudson County government politically and monetarily through the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Not only does Booth refuse to be fired like his brother before him, terminated by the Jersey City Municipal Utility Authority, Booth has reiterated many charges against Mayor Cunningham and members of Cunningham's staff from the earlier suit filed by brother Jay. Hudson County Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia, already dismissed as "utterly with- out evidentiary value" those allegations, in a scathing opinion delivered from the bench" Since then Booth has added a few new alle- gations of his own against local business- men who have categorically denied each and every assertion Booth made. Nevertheless Booth is pressing his suit- which is good since it is badly wrinkled. As the buffoonery unfolded out- side, Mayor Glenn Cunningham's attorney filed a motion inside ahead of the April 7 hearing date. Cunningham, represented by Gary Stein of Pashman and Stein main- tained that the court has the right to review the suit and that the suit is base on Booth's ineligibility to serve as corporation counsel, and asks that the court therefore uphold Booth's termination. Cunningham says that Booth is disqualified because he maintained his private law practice while holding office as Corporation Counsel. City ordinance require full time employment. Booth also represented the Hudson County Improvement Authority while Corporation Counsel, a glaring conflict of interest, the motion charges. Booth went beyond the courts and publicly called for a federal investigation of corruption in the circle of advisors sur- rounding Mayor Cunningham which Booth characterized as a "brain trust." In his state- ment at the press conference Booth referred to no-bid contracts awarded to associates and advisors of Cunningham but failed to detail any specifics. Booth spoke about a contract for copier machines but there has been no contract to buy or lease copy machines for the city during the time Cunningham has been in office. Booth said he was approached by associates of Cunningham with financial interests in those contracts but those associates say flat- ly "It never happened. It is an out and out lie, according to the businessmen, "We never spoke about it. In fact, we never speak and we have not spoken for a very long time. We never discussed any contract for copiers. It is a lie, pure and simple." With Booth and Smith were Council Members William Gaughan, Junior Maldonado, Mariano Vega, and Peter Brennan, all of whom hold County jobs ranging from a low of $60,000 a year for Brennan to $95,000 a year for Gaughan. Insert photo William A. Gaughan is a Jersey City Council member who is also chief of staff to County Executive Tom DeGise at a salary of $95,000 annually. Marian Vega, Director of Hudson County's Department of Public Resources at an annual salary of $93,000 and is also a Jersey City Council member. Vega has been the subject of various allegations cir- culating for at least a year in a letter signed by six trade employees of the Department that he runs. The employees allege that Vega used County employees to make improvements on his home on Mercer Street in downtown Jersey City. Maldonado freely grants that at least one of the County employees named, Pat Russo, was at his house. " Of course he was at my house. He is an old friend of mind and he has been to my house any number of times." said Maldonado. Visitors to Vega's house have been impressed with an exten- sive collection of artwork throughout the house. One visitor familiar with art said that the painting were authentic and worth thousands of dollars each. "I am sure the value runs well into six figures. We are talking about the real deal here. It is hard to see how somebody could accumulate assets with that kind of value on the salary, even a good salary like Vega gets as a County employee." Russo was a supervisor of a group of tradesmen employed by the County who allege in their letter that he coerced them to go with him on County time and do work on Vega's house. Russo says that he was a Vega's house and that he did make the repair, a dishwasher installa- tion that the workers charged in their letter, but says it took only a few minutes and that he only spent a few minutes to run to a nearby hardware store for a thirty-five cent fitting and that was it. Russo denies all the rest. Russo was recently forced out of his County job when the state's merit review board barred him permanently from public employment in the State of New Jersey for a long-ago felony conviction when Russo was a Hudson County Police officer. Russo says that the charges only resurfaced ineligibility to serve as corporation counsel, and asks that the court therefore uphold Booth's termination. Cunningham says that Booth is disqualified because he maintained his private law practice while holding office as Corporation Counsel. City ordinance require full time employment. Booth also represented the Hudson County Improvement Authority while Corporation Counsel, a glaring conflict of interest, the motion charges. Booth went beyond the courts and publicly called for a federal investigation of corruption in the circle of advisors sur- rounding Mayor Cunningham which Booth characterized as a "brain trust." In his state- ment at the press conference Booth referred to no-bid contracts awarded to associates and advisors of Cunningham but failed to detail any specifics. Booth spoke about a contract for copier machines but there has been no contract to buy or lease copy machines for the city during the time Cunningham has been in office. Booth said he was approached by associates of Cunningham with financial interests in those contracts but those associates say flat- ly "It never happened. It is an out and out lie, according to the businessmen, "We never spoke about it. In fact, we never many waste disposal concerns that he is charged with regulating. Maldonado is also chainnan of the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency where he was responsible for the introduction of a pocket resolution putting attorney Donald Scarinci in de facto control of the JCRA including the ability to influ- ence decisions involving his own compen- sation. Maldonado is supporting Booth's suit against the Mayor alleging no-hid con- tracts exactly like the one given to Scarinci. Maldonado has frequently come under fire from others, not part of the Cunningham administration for misappropriating funds from a Hispanic heritage event held yearly in Jersey City, Fiestas Patronales. Former Council member Jamie Vazques has charged that Maldonado has raised money for the festival for years and pocketed the majority of the funds. Vazquez has chal- lenged Maldonado to produce financial records of the affairs, but to date Maldonado has not done so. Maldonado denies any impropriety regarding the Fiestas Patronales. Peter Brennan is a Jersey City Council member who was recently appoint- ed to the post of confidential aide with the County government when Tom DeGise took office as County Executive. Brennan is the owner of a Tavern in Jersey City's Ward A and is well-known as bookmaker. L. Harvey Smith, Jersey City Council President is not employed by the County of Hudson but is hopeful of the HCDO sponsorship to run for State Senator in the 31 st District opposing Mayor Glenn Cunningham. Smith was denied a spot on the organization's ticket and rode into the office he presently holds, ironically, on the coattails of Glenn Cunningham. Smith's switch of allegiance and apparent lack of loyalty to his political benefactor have earned him the reputation of sell-out, hence the nickname Uncle Harvey. Smith is an African American who is seen by the African American community in Jersey City as having sold out like the character in the novel by Harriet Beecher Stowe. Smith has also been the subject of numerous com- plaints by developers both in and out of the area. One well-known Bergen County developer said in an interview that he did not like to take on projects in Hudson County because "All those guys have their hands in my pocket up to the elbow, espe- cially the big guy." Smith stands well over six feet. The developer confirmed that it was Smith specifically who was most aggressive in demanding gifts. "Was it Harvey?" The developer was asked. "Yeah, that's it, Harvey Smith." Another developer planning to construct houses complained that Smith tried to shake him down for a house. It is well-known that Smith's civic association office is housed in a building owned by a developer who has done a large number of projects here in Jersey City. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 375 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 09:24:58 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board! Welcome to the Message Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 376 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 10:07:18 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board! Welcome to the Message Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Oyguy posted Message 377 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 11:08:35 Subject: Your talking about Hoboken Your way off base with that one kid. There aint no shortest giants in Hoboken, that's the land of the tallest midgets! : I see that Bernard Kenny got the laurels as the state's most trustworthy politician. Isn't that a little like getting the title of world's shortest giant? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Plan B posted Message 378 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 13:03:16 Subject: Epiphany must be Greek for STAB IN THE BACK! Today's Star Ledger: McGreevey at odds with two of his top backers Rising power of Norcross and Lynch meets opposition Tuesday, April 01, 2003 BY JEFF WHELAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN Star-Ledger Staff Gov. James E. McGreevey is quietly distancing himself from two political power brokers who helped engineer his rise to power, opening a rift that could have enormous consequences for the state's Democratic Party. . . . Underscoring the problems, the governor recently called U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) and U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez (D-13th Dist.) to inform them of his "epiphany" and to seek their support should the dispute escalate, according to sources close to the governor and both lawmakers. At the same time, Norcross and Lynch have grown increasingly frustrated with what they see as McGreevey's political bumbling and his low poll numbers. Norcross also has taken aim at the governor's plan to raise taxes on casinos, a move South Jersey lawmakers say could harm the region's economy. . . . Sources close to Norcross and Lynch dispute that analysis and point instead to what they say has been a succession of McGreevey blunders -- his trade mission to Ireland, his hiring of an unqualified homeland security adviser, and his choice of Joseph Santiago as State Police superintendent. Santiago quit in October amid unsubstantiated allegations that he had consorted with mobsters. Some of the bad feelings surfaced over the political demise of developer Charles Kushner, McGreevey's biggest campaign contributor and his choice to chair the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Kushner resigned from the authority in February after Sen. William Gormley (R-Atlantic) raised questions about the legality of thousands of dollars of Kushner political donations. . . . But McGreevey advisers complain Norcross is seeking to expand his sphere of influence, and is contributing to divisive primaries in the process. One accused Norcross of having "a plan to take over the whole state." They point to what they say is Norcross's support for Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham's state Senate bid against the Menendez- backed candidate. Sources close to Menendez say the congressman recently received an unsolicited phone call from Norcross denying involvement. Menendez is said to have warned Norcross, "If you come into Hudson County, we are going to have war." The Lynch and Norcross camps vehemently deny they are backing Cunningham. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Henson posted Message 379 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 15:04:12 Subject: Re: Epiphany must be Greek for STAB IN THE BACK! Maybe like the Ledger just made the whole thing up for a April fools. As of lates, things are getting so topsyturvy it's hard to tell what's on the level anymore. : Today's Star Ledger: : McGreevey at odds with two of his top backers : Rising power of Norcross and Lynch meets opposition : Tuesday, April 01, 2003 : BY JEFF WHELAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN : Star-Ledger Staff : Gov. James E. McGreevey is quietly distancing himself from two political power brokers who helped engineer his rise to power, opening a rift that could have enormous consequences for the state's Democratic Party. : . . . : Underscoring the problems, the governor recently called U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) and U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez (D-13th Dist.) to inform them of his "epiphany" and to seek their support should the dispute escalate, according to sources close to the governor and both lawmakers. : At the same time, Norcross and Lynch have grown increasingly frustrated with what they see as McGreevey's political bumbling and his low poll numbers. Norcross also has taken aim at the governor's plan to raise taxes on casinos, a move South Jersey lawmakers say could harm the region's economy. : . . . : Sources close to Norcross and Lynch dispute that analysis and point instead to what they say has been a succession of McGreevey blunders -- his trade mission to Ireland, his hiring of an unqualified homeland security adviser, and his choice of Joseph Santiago as State Police superintendent. Santiago quit in October amid unsubstantiated allegations that he had consorted with mobsters. : Some of the bad feelings surfaced over the political demise of developer Charles Kushner, McGreevey's biggest campaign contributor and his choice to chair the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Kushner resigned from the authority in February after Sen. William Gormley (R-Atlantic) raised questions about the legality of thousands of dollars of Kushner political donations. : . . . : But McGreevey advisers complain Norcross is seeking to expand his sphere of influence, and is contributing to divisive primaries in the process. One accused Norcross of having "a plan to take over the whole state." : They point to what they say is Norcross's support for Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham's state Senate bid against the Menendez- backed candidate. Sources close to Menendez say the congressman recently received an unsolicited phone call from Norcross denying involvement. Menendez is said to have warned Norcross, "If you come into Hudson County, we are going to have war." : The Lynch and Norcross camps vehemently deny they are backing Cunningham. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Uberhippy posted Message 380 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 17:26:09 Subject: Now I get it! Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham – long in the tooth DNC wunderkind – getting the worst of it in a charity wrestling match with 800 lb Congressional Gorilla (and Tommy Smith only had to fight Ali. . .) is saved by a tag team of South Jersey politicos! Meanwhile, back at Drumthwacket, Gov. James E. McGreevey, humbled by recollections of a trip to the Old Sod and an Amiri Baraka poetry reading, undergoes a vast transformation of consciousness and envisions a 1000 years of democrat control in the Statehouse. Whereupon Gov. James E. McGreevey gets a NJ US Senator on the phone (the one with a phone in his office, the other guy being stuck in the janitor’s closet on the 4th fl. as a “temporary” measure) and attempts the impossible translation of the ineffable into the verbal – by the minute sounding more and more like “First Family” with a bad stylus. (Gee Whiz, why do you have to sound like you came from Boston or England to get taken seriously in New Jersey!?) All the while, the Gov. James E. comes in third in a statewide poll: 1) Village Idiot, 2) Dogcatcher. - - - Now I get it! April Fool! : Today's Star Ledger: : McGreevey at odds with two of his top backers : Rising power of Norcross and Lynch meets opposition : Tuesday, April 01, 2003 : BY JEFF WHELAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN : Star-Ledger Staff : Gov. James E. McGreevey is quietly distancing himself from two political power brokers who helped engineer his rise to power, opening a rift that could have enormous consequences for the state's Democratic Party. : . . . : Underscoring the problems, the governor recently called U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) and U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez (D-13th Dist.) to inform them of his "epiphany" and to seek their support should the dispute escalate, according to sources close to the governor and both lawmakers. : At the same time, Norcross and Lynch have grown increasingly frustrated with what they see as McGreevey's political bumbling and his low poll numbers. Norcross also has taken aim at the governor's plan to raise taxes on casinos, a move South Jersey lawmakers say could harm the region's economy. : . . . : Sources close to Norcross and Lynch dispute that analysis and point instead to what they say has been a succession of McGreevey blunders -- his trade mission to Ireland, his hiring of an unqualified homeland security adviser, and his choice of Joseph Santiago as State Police superintendent. Santiago quit in October amid unsubstantiated allegations that he had consorted with mobsters. : Some of the bad feelings surfaced over the political demise of developer Charles Kushner, McGreevey's biggest campaign contributor and his choice to chair the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Kushner resigned from the authority in February after Sen. William Gormley (R-Atlantic) raised questions about the legality of thousands of dollars of Kushner political donations. : . . . : But McGreevey advisers complain Norcross is seeking to expand his sphere of influence, and is contributing to divisive primaries in the process. One accused Norcross of having "a plan to take over the whole state." : They point to what they say is Norcross's support for Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham's state Senate bid against the Menendez- backed candidate. Sources close to Menendez say the congressman recently received an unsolicited phone call from Norcross denying involvement. Menendez is said to have warned Norcross, "If you come into Hudson County, we are going to have war." : The Lynch and Norcross camps vehemently deny they are backing Cunningham. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer is Bi-sexual posted Message 381 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 19:01:22 Subject: Re: Epiphany must be Greek for Steven Glazer is a drunk : Maybe like the Ledger just made the whole thing up for a April fools. : As of lates, things are getting so topsyturvy it's hard to tell what's on the level anymore. : : Today's Star Ledger: : : McGreevey at odds with two of his top backers : : Rising power of Norcross and Lynch meets opposition : : Tuesday, April 01, 2003 : : BY JEFF WHELAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN : : Star-Ledger Staff : : Gov. James E. McGreevey is quietly distancing himself from two political power brokers who helped engineer his rise to power, opening a rift that could have enormous consequences for the state's Democratic Party. : : . . . : : Underscoring the problems, the governor recently called U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) and U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez (D-13th Dist.) to inform them of his "epiphany" and to seek their support should the dispute escalate, according to sources close to the governor and both lawmakers. : : At the same time, Norcross and Lynch have grown increasingly frustrated with what they see as McGreevey's political bumbling and his low poll numbers. Norcross also has taken aim at the governor's plan to raise taxes on casinos, a move South Jersey lawmakers say could harm the region's economy. : : . . . : : Sources close to Norcross and Lynch dispute that analysis and point instead to what they say has been a succession of McGreevey blunders -- his trade mission to Ireland, his hiring of an unqualified homeland security adviser, and his choice of Joseph Santiago as State Police superintendent. Santiago quit in October amid unsubstantiated allegations that he had consorted with mobsters. : : Some of the bad feelings surfaced over the political demise of developer Charles Kushner, McGreevey's biggest campaign contributor and his choice to chair the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Kushner resigned from the authority in February after Sen. William Gormley (R-Atlantic) raised questions about the legality of thousands of dollars of Kushner political donations. : : . . . : : But McGreevey advisers complain Norcross is seeking to expand his sphere of influence, and is contributing to divisive primaries in the process. One accused Norcross of having "a plan to take over the whole state." : : They point to what they say is Norcross's support for Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham's state Senate bid against the Menendez- backed candidate. Sources close to Menendez say the congressman recently received an unsolicited phone call from Norcross denying involvement. Menendez is said to have warned Norcross, "If you come into Hudson County, we are going to have war." : : The Lynch and Norcross camps vehemently deny they are backing Cunningham. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer And Jackson have sex on the county steps posted Message 382 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 19:04:39 Subject: Glazer is an idiot : Urban Times News : March 28 - April 03,2003 : : By Steven Glazer : Jersey City-It was as though a : group of circus seals and drunken rodeo : clowns got together and decided to hold a : press conference and photo opportunity and : everybody came-only they came to the : wrong place. Just for the five of them- : Jersey City Council Members-to be there : together at the same violates the Sunshine : law, governing meetings of public officials. : This makes the second time since the holi- : day season that this has happened. For ded- : icated public servants on a mission like : these, lawmakers at that, it is apparently of : little importance. : County employees also employed : by the City of Jersey City plus Jersey City : Council President L. Harvey Smith : appeared with Jersey City Corporation : Counsel Alex Booth, in support of Booth's : mutiny against Mayor Glenn D. : Cunningham. The group appeared on the : steps outside Hudson County's historic old : Courthouse in front of the office of County : Executive Tom DeGise, himself a former : Jersey City Council alumnus, in support of : Corporation Counsel Alex Booth, who : refuses to be fired. Every member of the : group has strong ties to the Hudson County : government politically and monetarily : through the Hudson County Democratic : Organization. : Not only does Booth refuse to be : fired like his brother before him, terminated : by the Jersey City Municipal Utility : Authority, Booth has reiterated many : charges against Mayor Cunningham and : members of Cunningham's staff from the : earlier suit filed by brother Jay. Hudson : County Superior Court Judge Arthur : D'Italia, already dismissed as "utterly with- : out evidentiary value" those allegations, in a : scathing opinion delivered from the bench" : Since then Booth has added a few new alle- : gations of his own against local business- : men who have categorically denied each : and every assertion Booth made. : Nevertheless Booth is pressing his suit- : which is good since it is badly wrinkled. : As the buffoonery unfolded out- : side, Mayor Glenn Cunningham's attorney : filed a motion inside ahead of the April 7 : hearing date. Cunningham, represented by : Gary Stein of Pashman and Stein main- : tained that the court has the right to review : the suit and that the suit is base on Booth's : ineligibility to serve as corporation counsel, : and asks that the court therefore uphold : Booth's termination. Cunningham says that : Booth is disqualified because he maintained : his private law practice while holding office : as Corporation Counsel. City ordinance : require full time employment. Booth also : represented the Hudson County : Improvement Authority while Corporation : Counsel, a glaring conflict of interest, the : motion charges. : Booth went beyond the courts and : publicly called for a federal investigation of : corruption in the circle of advisors sur- : rounding Mayor Cunningham which Booth : characterized as a "brain trust." In his state- : ment at the press conference Booth referred : to no-bid contracts awarded to associates : and advisors of Cunningham but failed to : detail any specifics. Booth spoke about a : contract for copier machines but there has : been no contract to buy or lease copy : machines for the city during the time : Cunningham has been in office. Booth said : he was approached by associates of : Cunningham with financial interests in : those contracts but those associates say flat- : ly "It never happened. It is an out and out : lie, according to the businessmen, "We : never spoke about it. In fact, we never : speak and we have not spoken for a very : long time. We never discussed any contract : for copiers. It is a lie, pure and simple." : With Booth and Smith were : Council Members William Gaughan, Junior : Maldonado, Mariano Vega, and Peter : Brennan, all of whom hold County jobs : ranging from a low of $60,000 a year for : Brennan to $95,000 a year for Gaughan. : Insert photo : William A. Gaughan is a Jersey City : Council member who is also chief of staff to : County Executive Tom DeGise at a salary : of $95,000 annually. : Marian Vega, Director of Hudson : County's Department of Public Resources : at an annual salary of $93,000 and is also a : Jersey City Council member. Vega has : been the subject of various allegations cir- : culating for at least a year in a letter signed : by six trade employees of the Department : that he runs. The employees allege that : Vega used County employees to make : improvements on his home on Mercer : Street in downtown Jersey City. : Maldonado freely grants that at least one of : the County employees named, Pat Russo, : was at his house. " Of course he was at my : house. He is an old friend of mind and he : has been to my house any number of : times." said Maldonado. Visitors to Vega's : house have been impressed with an exten- : sive collection of artwork throughout the : house. One visitor familiar with art said : that the painting were authentic and worth : thousands of dollars each. "I am sure the : value runs well into six figures. We are : talking about the real deal here. It is hard : to see how somebody could accumulate : assets with that kind of value on the : salary, even a good salary like Vega gets as : a County employee." : Russo was a supervisor of a : group of tradesmen employed by the : County who allege in their letter that he : coerced them to go with him on County : time and do work on Vega's house. Russo : says that he was a Vega's house and that he : did make the repair, a dishwasher installa- : tion that the workers charged in their letter, : but says it took only a few minutes and that : he only spent a few minutes to run to a : nearby hardware store for a thirty-five cent : fitting and that was it. Russo denies all the : rest. Russo was recently forced out of his : County job when the state's merit review : board barred him permanently from public : employment in the State of New Jersey for : a long-ago felony conviction when Russo : was a Hudson County Police officer. : Russo says that the charges only resurfaced : ineligibility to serve as corporation counsel, : and asks that the court therefore uphold : Booth's termination. Cunningham says that : Booth is disqualified because he maintained : his private law practice while holding office : as Corporation Counsel. City ordinance : require full time employment. Booth also : represented the Hudson County : Improvement Authority while Corporation : Counsel, a glaring conflict of interest, the : motion charges. : Booth went beyond the courts and : publicly called for a federal investigation of : corruption in the circle of advisors sur- : rounding Mayor Cunningham which Booth : characterized as a "brain trust." In his state- : ment at the press conference Booth referred : to no-bid contracts awarded to associates : and advisors of Cunningham but failed to : detail any specifics. Booth spoke about a : contract for copier machines but there has : been no contract to buy or lease copy : machines for the city during the time : Cunningham has been in office. Booth said : he was approached by associates of : Cunningham with financial interests in : those contracts but those associates say flat- : ly "It never happened. It is an out and out : lie, according to the businessmen, "We : never spoke about it. In fact, we never : many waste disposal concerns that he is : charged with regulating. Maldonado is also : chainnan of the Jersey City Redevelopment : Agency where he was responsible for the : introduction of a pocket resolution putting : attorney Donald Scarinci in de facto control : of the JCRA including the ability to influ- : ence decisions involving his own compen- : sation. Maldonado is supporting Booth's : suit against the Mayor alleging no-hid con- : tracts exactly like the one given to Scarinci. : Maldonado has frequently come under fire : from others, not part of the Cunningham : administration for misappropriating funds : from a Hispanic heritage event held yearly : in Jersey City, Fiestas Patronales. Former : Council member Jamie Vazques has : charged that Maldonado has raised money : for the festival for years and pocketed the : majority of the funds. Vazquez has chal- : lenged Maldonado to produce financial : records of the affairs, but to date : Maldonado has not done so. Maldonado : denies any impropriety regarding the : Fiestas Patronales. : Peter Brennan is a Jersey City : Council member who was recently appoint- : ed to the post of confidential aide with the : County government when Tom DeGise : took office as County Executive. Brennan : is the owner of a Tavern in Jersey City's : Ward A and is well-known as bookmaker. : L. Harvey Smith, Jersey City : Council President is not employed by the : County of Hudson but is hopeful of the : HCDO sponsorship to run for State Senator : in the 31 st District opposing Mayor Glenn : Cunningham. Smith was denied a spot on : the organization's ticket and rode into the : office he presently holds, ironically, on the : coattails of Glenn Cunningham. Smith's : switch of allegiance and apparent lack of : loyalty to his political benefactor have : earned him the reputation of sell-out, hence : the nickname Uncle Harvey. Smith is an : African American who is seen by the : African American community in Jersey : City as having sold out like the character in : the novel by Harriet Beecher Stowe. Smith : has also been the subject of numerous com- : plaints by developers both in and out of the : area. : One well-known Bergen County : developer said in an interview that he did : not like to take on projects in Hudson : County because "All those guys have their : hands in my pocket up to the elbow, espe- : cially the big guy." Smith stands well over : six feet. The developer confirmed that it : was Smith specifically who was most : aggressive in demanding gifts. "Was it : Harvey?" : The developer was asked. "Yeah, : that's it, Harvey Smith." Another developer : planning to construct houses complained : that Smith tried to shake him down for a : house. It is well-known that Smith's civic : association office is housed in a building : owned by a developer who has done a large : number of projects here in Jersey City. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bobby Jackson didn,t cumm posted Message 383 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 19:07:49 Subject: Re: World's shortest peni$ :Steven Glazer has 2 penial implaints and he is now 3 inches! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 384 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 19:15:57 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board! Vigorously disagree, but please don't disgrace yourself by stooping to name calling. All messages containing curses or personal insults are deleted. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BOBBY JACKSON posted Message 385 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 01, 2003 at 21:29:45 Subject: mANOLO AND STEVE GLAZER GET NEW YORK TIMES JOBS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....................................APRIL FOOLS! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ogden posted Message 386 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 04, 2003 at 05:32:13 Subject: Get yer red hot GAS MASK ! Heard the latest of the going ons over at the 325 Palisade Avenue City Hall outpost? Seems that a couple of "entrepreneurs" were running a little side business selling (to one, to all) GAS MASKS! It's not exactly sure what was the source of the supply . . .the units were being peddled at $5 a pop. . . Mayor Cunningham, on learning of this new effort at privatization, ordered the pricipals to CLOSE UP SHOP! One customer was somewhat disappointed to see in the fine print that the gas mask was rated for 1 1/2 MINUTES!!! Rumor has it that the filter can be "rejuvenated" by URINATING ON IT!!! (Is this some sort of gender bias?) I hope your bladder didn't let loose at the first whiff of a gas attack. Another reason to drink 8 glasses of water a day? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sandra Dee or is it B? posted Message 387 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 04, 2003 at 17:32:30 Subject: And the award goes to: 1367. And The Award goes to: by hellouall, 4/4/03 13:08 ET Let’s play by no rules in Jersey City Hall ……..Our famous kiss butt wrote a letter to the Jersey Journal and the Urban Times condoning the headlines in the Jersey Journal “OLD MAN DIES IN FIRE”. Ms. Joan Eccleston Young otherwise known as red face is outraged…hmmmMakes me wonder why that headline in the Jersey Journal offended her but the contents in The Urban Times is acceptable.. She claims she is protecting the seniors but as the storyline unfolds, we know she has other hidden agendas. SOOOOO folks this week’s jacka$$ award is given to: JOAN Eccleston Young of Jersey City. In Joan’s acceptance speech she thanks Glen, Bobby and Eugene for making her the shining red star she is today.WAY TO GO JOAN…….Not! » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us © 2003 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** This reporter is an idiot! posted Message 388 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 04, 2003 at 17:39:34 Subject: Re: Mutiny On The County -- Steps That Is :Bull$hit the only ones with thier hands out is the ba$tards from UTN with thier "LOBBIEST FIRMS" should we print the names of each waterfront company that has to cut a check to Bobby Jack$on or should we e-mail the FBI with this info...........I made up my mind it will be the Feds! ***************** End Of Article ****************** riyas posted Message 389 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 05, 2003 at 14:29:20 Subject: smiok jbjdksbfjdf ***************** End Of Article ****************** riyas posted Message 390 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 05, 2003 at 14:31:32 Subject: smok iuhdfbs ***************** End Of Article ****************** Weezer posted Message 391 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 05, 2003 at 14:53:28 Subject: Just Say NO! I was at an event when a certain Morristown type asked me if I was living in Jersey City once upon a time when a certain guy was mayor. I replied yes. Then Mr suburbs kind of pulls me away from the crowd and now whispering wants to know if there was any truth to the rumor that this here past tense mayor used to use DRUGS! In my best british butler snobawobby tone I answers him right back that I CERTAINLY HOPE SO. Business class actually starts shaking like he's about to go into a seizure, but he manages to last gasp out WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? WELL I tells him, at least if the former Honorable was on drugs, then that way he had like an EXCUSE! If he was on the Nancy Reagon wagon, then he must just of been a NUT! ***************** End Of Article ****************** wewe posted Message 392 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 05, 2003 at 20:37:42 Subject: a funny one An American is having breakfast one morning (coffee, croissants, bread, butter and jam) when a Frenchman, chewing gum, sits down next to him. The American ignores the Frenchman who, nevertheless, starts a conversation. French man: "You American folk eat the whole bread??" American (in a bad mood): "Of course." French: (after blowing a huge bubble) "We don't. In France, we only eat what's inside. The crusts we collect in a container, recycle it, transform them into croissants and sell them to the States." The Frenchman has a smirk on his face. The American listens in silence. The Frenchman persists: "Do you eat jelly with the bread??" American: "Of Course." Frenchman: (cracking his gum between his teeth and chuckling). "We don't. In France we eat fresh fruit for breakfast, then we put all the peels, seeds, and leftovers in containers, recycle them, transform them into jam and sell the jam to the States." The American then asks: "Do you have sex in France?" Frenchman: "Why of course we do", he says with a big smirk. American: "And what do you do with the condoms once you've used them?" Frenchman: "We throw them away, of course." American: "We don't. In America, we put them in a container, recycle them, melt them down into chewing gum and sell them to France." ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 393 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 06, 2003 at 04:47:09 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board! Welcome to the Message Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer is a fool..and when Jackson is done so is Glazer! posted Message 394 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 07, 2003 at 14:35:53 Subject: Re: Mutiny On The County -- Steps That Is : :Bull$hit the only ones with thier hands out is the ba$tards from UTN with thier "LOBBIEST FIRMS" should we print the names of each waterfront company that has to cut a check to Bobby Jack$on or should we e-mail the FBI with this info...........I made up my mind it will be the Feds! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 395 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 08, 2003 at 10:07:29 Subject: Council Flirts With Tax Increase Council Flirts With Tax Increase Urban Times News April 4 - April 10, 2003 By: Steven Glazer Jersey City-Hudson County employees, moonlighting as Jersey City Council Members and led by Council President L. Harvey Smith refused to approve scheduling an ordinance for first hearing at their regular meeting that would amend the budget, avoiding tax increases for three years. The proposal involves refi- nancing the debt of the Municipal Utility Authority and extending the MUA's man- date by 25 years. In return, the city would receive an increased franchise fee from the MUA, bringing the city an infusion of $42 Million dollars over three years starting now. solving a host of budgetary problems at once and virtually guaranteeing stable tax rates through the end of 2005. The plan proposed by the MUA was formally presented to the council in November in voluminous detail in a com- prehensive memorandum prepared by Counsel to the MUA, Edward McManimon. Council President L. Harvey Smith explained that after discussion by council members at their caucus meeting, council members were still not comfortable and felt more information was needed before putting the measure on the regular Council meeting agenda. Business Administrator Carlton McGee explained that time that time was of the essence if the measure were to he ready in time to avoid a tax increase in the current Fiscal Year. McGee explained that the process would require approval by the State's Local Finance Board. two Council hearings on an ordi- nance. arranging a bond sale by the MUA. and receiving the proceeds in time to apple the funds to the current budget. Council member William A. Gaughan said that he would not feel com- fortable leaving excess funds in the custody of the MUA and wanted the Council to have control over the funds. Gaughan also ques- tioned the amount of the MUA refinancing that he had thought was to he $50 Million but is in fact slated to be $70 Million. Council member Jeremiah Healey interject- ed that there had been no change in the plan that consisted in two parts including a $50 Million amount to cover the additional fran- chise payments to the city and a $20 Million amount to cover MUA's other needs. McGee pointed out that the agreement pro- vided an escalation clause allowing the city to share in increased MUA rates in the future. MUA franchise fees paid to the city would go up based on a percentage formula keyed to the MUA rate increases. Earlier in the day Mayor Glenn Cunningham met with heads of the city's labor unions explaining that there would be major layoffs to slash payrolls if the MUA refinance plan were to derail or to delay past the fiscal year end. The city would have no choice but to raise taxes by about $2.40 per thousand of assessed value. Preparing for the worst, Cunningham gave union leaders the heads up, in case the MUA proposal met the same fate as the proposed change in funding of the city's health benefits plan. Council members, led by Smith, are still studying that proposal, which would have saved the city $2.4 Million. Those council members still maintain that they do not have enough information to "feel comfort- able." That proposal changes only the way the existing health benefits plan is paid for, and not the insurance coverage or any aspect of it. The savings were one assump-based on and would have been balanced had the change been made. Council members are still deliberating the wisdom of saving $2.4 Million. While Council President Smith prundently examined the hidden dangers of saving the city $2.4 Million, the actual cost of the existing, unchanged health benefits increased by $1.5 Million, poking another hole in what started out as a balanced budg- et. State Aid to distressed cities was anoth- er key assumption in the original proposal for a balanced budget. Administration offi- cials were told to expect 'no more" than the $10.5 Million received the year before. Instead, the City received drastically less:only $2 Million, leaving a further $8.5 Million hole in the spending plan. The budget was then underwater by $2.4 Million plus $1.5 Million plus $8.5 Million, producing a total shortfall of $13.4 Million. Partial relief came recently with the sale of some city-owned property at Pershing Field to the Board of Education for $4.3 Million, reducing the shortfall to $9.1 Million. But, cautions Business Administrator McGee, the cash is not yet in the city's account and that transaction is not yet closed. Though McGee says he does not anticipate any major problems with the closing, he is quick to add that the deal isn't done until the money is in the bank and this one is taking longer than it should. Even if the closing comes off in time there is still a considerable shortfall. Cunningham was preparing for failure of these fixes to save the budget leaving no other source of cash except the city's taxpayers. Most of the large com- mercial properties that line the City's Gold Coast waterfront are protected by tax abatements, so the bulk of any increase fall almost entirely on homeowners already under pressure in a lagging economy nationwide. If the MUA financing does not come off as planned, there will be instead of three years of stability, an immediate tax increase. The state has already given the nod to the MUA proposal and all that remains is council approval and a final thumbs up from the Local Finance Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 396 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 08, 2003 at 10:51:33 Subject: Big Cat Gets Fatter- Scarinci Gets $92,000 JCRA Raise Big Cat Gets Fatter- Scarinci Gets $92,000 JCRA Raise Urban Times News April 4-April 10, 2003 Steven Glazer Jersey City-Attorney Donald Scarinci got approval from The Jersey City Redevelopment Agency, which lie controls, for an increase in his annual billing well beyun : the contract's annual cap of $125,000. Scarinci was appointed general counsel to the agency by the introduction of a "pocket resolution° slipped on to the agen- da by Chairman E. Junior Maldonado min- utes before commissioners voted on the contract late last spring. Commissioners said they had no time to carefully read the document but that Maldonado assured them that it was nothing out of the ordinary and vv-as capped at S 125.000 a year and urged them to approve it as a routine matter. "This increase alone, a little more than half way through the contract's calendar year, closely approaches the total compensation commissioner were told Scarinci would receive for legal work." said commissioner Oren Dabney Closer reading of the contract by city lawyers revealed that the appointment was a dual appointment both as general and special counsel to the agency, rendering the cap meaningless. Those city attorneys also pointed out that the resolution abdicated decision-making authority over the agency's operation and control to Scarinci. Officials in Jersey City's legal department were horrified when they learned of the authority the agency had given Scarinci over the agency, apparently including the authority to determine his own compensa- tion. At that time, City attorneys did a thor- ough analysis of the contract and supporting documents and asked the State's Attorney General to look into the matter. Mayor Glenn Cunningham was alarmed at the prospect of the Scarinci hav- ing what amounted to a blank check and virtual control of the agency at the time the contract was originally approved. Cunningham cited examples of Scarinci's billing that completely disregarded contract caps or maximums. In Union City where Scarinci is Counsel, his contract is capped at 5500.000 for the year, but the Union City Business Administrator said that Scarinci had passed that amount halfway through the year. Recently Scarinci asked for and got Freeholder approval for a S70,000 increase to a contract with the County of Hudson capped at S275,000, a 25% increase. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 397 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 08, 2003 at 11:02:12 Subject: "Winds of Change" Herald Campaign Kickoff "Winds of Change" Herald Campaign Kickoff Urban Times News April 4- April 10, 2003 Anthony Chiappone state Assernofy Willie Flood County Clerk Mayor Glenn D.Cunningham State Senator Melba Walsh County Executiv Lou Manzo State Assembly By UTN Staff Liberty State Park- Mayor Glenn D. Cunnignham opened the official campaign of the Reform Democrats heralding the "Liberation of Hudson County," flanked by a full slate of candidates on a beautiful, if blustery afternoon here. The ticket of Cunningham with Louis Manzo and Anthony Chiappone, both running for assembly seats, was Joined by Willie Flood Jerscy City and Melba Walsh of Bayonne. Flood is a long-time activist and career educator who is the Reform candidate for County Clerk. Walsh who had run for Bayonne council and actually won in machine votes, lost narrowly in highly controversial and contested absentee balloting. Walsh rounds out the ticket as the first woman to run for County Executive. Walsh said that her experience with the council race seeing the opposition up close only made her that much more determined to resist the Hudson County Democratic Organization's brand of politics. Flood said that "I will not he a no-show person. I will not be involved in a government process of no-bid contracts, and patronage and i av-for- play politics." in a remark aimed at the opposition. Flood was terminated from her position of 12 years when the opposition administration took office in what could only be seen as a politi- cal purge. Mayor Glenn Cunningham said "This is the beginning of the lib- eration of Hudson County: Operation Hudson Freedom. Things here have to change. It's good that we have this strong fresh breeze here, to keep away all the hot air coming from the court house." Cunningham apparently was joking about the announcement earlier the same morning on the County Court House steps of the opposition Hudson County Democratic Organization slate of candidates. That slate includes L. Harvey Smith who will oppose Cunningham in the race for the 31st. District Senate Seat. Smith won his current Jersey City Council seat only by riding Cunningham's coattails into office. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 398 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 08, 2003 at 11:52:39 Subject: NJN Video: Fraguela Runs For State Senate Against Bernard Kenny NJN Video: Fraguela Runs For State Senate Against Bernard Kenny CLICK HERETo See The Video ***************** End Of Article ****************** Moonstruck posted Message 399 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 12, 2003 at 09:58:17 Subject: Maggy Doyle How many positions has Maggy Doyle held under Cunningham? She was with the county when Hartnett was holding court there. She's got the MUA thing and I think she has a job with HEDC also. Are all these jobs being footed by the taxpayer's bill? ***************** End Of Article ****************** weezzie posted Message 400 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 13, 2003 at 16:08:28 Subject: LOL : 1367. And The Award goes to: : by hellouall, 4/4/03 13:08 ET : Let’s play by no rules in Jersey City Hall ……..Our famous kiss butt wrote a letter to the Jersey Journal and the Urban Times condoning the headlines in the Jersey Journal “OLD MAN DIES IN FIRE”. Ms. Joan Eccleston Young otherwise known as red face is outraged…hmmmMakes me wonder why that headline in the Jersey Journal offended her but the contents in The Urban Times is acceptable.. She claims she is protecting the seniors but as the storyline unfolds, we know she has other hidden agendas. : SOOOOO folks this week’s jacka$$ award is given to: JOAN Eccleston Young of Jersey City. : In Joan’s acceptance speech she thanks Glen, Bobby and Eugene for making her the shining red star she is today.WAY TO GO JOAN…….Not! : : : » Forums Help : » User Agreement : » Privacy Policy : : About Us | User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us : © 2003 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. : ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 401 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 15, 2003 at 05:35:06 Subject: O'DEA BLASTS HCIA DISCLOSURE O'DEA BLASTS HCIA DISCLOSURE Urban Times News April 11-April 17, 2003 By UTN Staff Jersey City-Freeholder Bill O'Dea repeated his demands for full disclosure from Hudson County Improvement Authority officials whom he has accused of fraud after they delivered information that failed to address the questions that he raised. O'Dea demanded an accounting from the HCIA of the use of proceeds of numerous issues of municipals bonds that were earmarked for the construction of an incinerator at the County-owned Koppers' site in Kearny. Hundreds of millions of dol- lars were raised by the sale of 26 issues of bonds since 1988 and the money is gone except for a cash balance of $26Million, according to the HCIA. "We are talking about real money here. Where did it go? What was it used for? We did not build an incinerator. We did not build a hospital. And we have $373 Million in outstanding bonds. We are talking about one-third of a Billion Dollars and I want answers," said O'Dea. O'Dea said that the materials delivered by the HCIA in response to his request were informative but raised more questions than they answered. "Is this another attempt tc mislead?" O'Dea asked. "These are great answers, but they should have saved them until I asked these particu- lar questions. This is a non-answer, com- pletely unresponsive to the issue." The materials delivered include a memo listing some issues of bonds by the HCIA but do not explain what happened to the money the HCIA received from the sale of those bonds. "The Iraqis delivered a 12,000 page memo weighing more than 100 pounds before the war started when they were asked to make a complete disclosure of all their Weapons of Mass Destruction. The HCIA has delivered a package of about 10 pounds of documents that are just the same old stuff rehashed and repackaged and say nothing about what was asked of them," said O'Dea. "It explains nothing about what was done with the money. That was what I wanted to know and that is what I still want to know. Where did the money go?" "I also asked to the see the projec- tions of revenues and the projections of expenses that prompted HCIA to represent to this Freeholder board that future rate increases would be in the range of 3 to 3.5 percent. Then we get hit with 16 per cent. I asked to see those projections and the pres- entation made to this Freeholder board at the time those representations were made. I believe they may have been misleading and I want to know if were misled. I want to know if we were hustled and conned. It is that simple. They have sent us 10 pounds of documents that detail the history of garbage through the ages, everything but an answer." O'Dea said that he was concerned by the extent of the County's obligation for the repayment of the outstanding bonds and to what extent they County guaranteed the repayment. It was O'Dea's understanding that the payment by the County to the Hudson County Improvement Authority of $33 Million was the extent of the County's loan guarantee of the HCIA debt associated with the HCIA's incinerator project at the Koppers' site. But O'Dea added that it would take legal analysis to determine the full extent of the County's obligation for the HCIA's debt in total. The agency's revenues are almost entirely dependent on the solid waste disposal run by the HCIA for the municipalities of the County. There have been numerous allegations of irregularities and abuse. Former Freeholder and current- ly an Assembly candidate in the 31st District, Louis Manzo has been a long time critic. "These guys signed a put-or-pay agreement with a landfill in Pennsylvania that required them to pay an annual mini- mum whether they dumped garbage there or not. For at least five years that I know of they dumped elsewhere and paid tipping fees at other sites and also paid tippin*es at the Pennsylvania site because they were obligated by the contract. They paid twice to get rid of the same trash. That is where a lot of money went. I saw this coming years ago, and I said this years ago, that this would be a runaway train z ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manlo posted Message 402 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 15, 2003 at 05:37:28 Subject: CUNNINGHAM CITES BOOTH FOR ETHICAL VIOLATIONS CUNNINGHAM CITES BOOTH FOR ETHICAL VIOLATIONS Urban Times News April 11-April 17, 2003 By Steven Glazer Jersey City-Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia heard arguments from Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham's attorney that Corporation Counsel Alex Booth is unfit to serve because of serious ethical lapses in office. "Does that mean if he embezzles money, admits it, gets indict- ed, but is not yet convicted, he can stay in office? Asked attorney Michael Stein. "Just because he stopped does not mean that he did not do that. He freely admits that he did. In and of itself, that renders him unfit," said Stein. Judge D'Italia acknowledged that the ethical aspect of Cunningham's charges against Booth were the most damning brought by the Mayor. "That is the sharpest arrow in your quiver," said D'Italia. Stein argued that though Booth has corrected the ethical violations Cunningham complained of" they are no less valid reason to remove Booth. Booth maintained a partnership interest in the law firm bearing his name. Brownstein, Booth and Barry, while serving as Corporation Counsel to the City of Jersey City. The firm represented the Hudson County Improvement Authority for many years. That County agency is currently in court with the City, through its agency, the Jersey City Incinerator Authority in litigation that began during Booth's service. Booth's law partner, Bob Barry served as counsel to the HCIA until the middle of last year and stayed on as transi- tion counsel through the first of the year and has been a special consultant since the beginning of this year. Barry resigned his remaining relationship with the HCIA just recently as the suit between the Mayor and Booth came to court. D'Italia asked from the bench, "What would happen if Booth showed up to represent the City and his partner, Barry, showed up to represent the HCIA?" Privately, city officials asked, "Why would a guy resign and withdraw from a lucrative law firm. And why would a guy get his partner to give up a lucrative law client, the HCIA, just to keep a city job that does not pay all that well?" Salary for the Corporation Counsel job at stake is $55,000 a vcar, far less than an attorney, and obviously way less than two attorneys in an active, politically connected private practice could make. "What gets me," said the official, who asked that his name not be used. "is that it will probably cost more than that salary to pay all these lawyers by the time this is over, no matter who wins. Booth is forcing the City to fritter away more money than he will get paid. Why would he do that, when he could make far more in private practice?" When Cunningham delivered his termination letter to Booth, with copies to members of the Council, Booth resigned his partnership in the law firm. Cunningham's letter to Booth gave reasons for the termi- nation that included a lack of trust and con- fidence and this apparent conflict of inter- est. But Booth's wife took his place at the law firm maintaining the Booth name in the firm's title and participation in the profits of the firm. Booth did not discuss details of the compensation. Cunningham also cited a Jersey City ordinance requiring that the service of the Corporation Counsel, head of the City's Law Depaitinent, required the full time of the office holder. Booth acknowledges that he himself was active in his private practice even while his wife stood in for him in the partnership. Booth also argued that the suit did not even belong in court in the first place because it would interfere in the separation of powers between the executive branch of government, the Mayor, and the legislative branch, the Council. The City Council sided with Booth and overrode the Mayor's termina- tion and that should have ended the matter argued Booth's attorney, and the attorney for the City Council. Booth, by refusing to accept the termination, compels the city to fund the Mayor's only alternative, taking Booth to court. Naturally, the Corporation Counsel must be represented as must the City Counsel as well z ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 403 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 15, 2003 at 05:42:43 Subject: COUNCIL TO APPROVE BUDGET, BUT PROPERTY SALE RAISES NEW RISK TO TAXES, FIRE AND POLICE HIRES COUNCIL TO APPROVE BUDGET, BUT PROPERTY SALE RAISES NEW RISK TO TAXES, FIRE AND POLICE HIRES Urban Times News April 11-April 17, 2003 By Steven Glazer Jersey City-Council Members sig- naled their willingness to approve Mayor Glenn Cunningham's amended budget pro- posal after a week's delay for maneuvering calculated for political appearances. But as one threat to the city's financial stability was neutralized, another popped up heralded by the appearance of Suzanne Mack, executive director of the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency, at the Council's Caucus meeting. Mack told Council members that she could not give a firm date for the expected closing of a key property sale that would give the city the funds needed to balance the budget. The property sale involves the purchase by the Board of Education of City-owned prop- erty at Pershing Field that nets the city $4.3 Million dollars, already counted in the budget. The sale is not in doubt and is already contracted between the City and its Board of Education. The time element is the risk. explained Cunningham. If the sale does not close in time, the budget will not be able to be balanced except by drastic meas- ures like tax hikes, layoffs or some combi- nation of the two, according to Business Administrator Carlton McGee. In political maneuvering a week earlier, the council balked at approving a financing plan for the Municipal Utility Authority that would have covered the current budget shortfall. Cunningham responded by calling a meet- ing of the heads of the city's labor unions to explain that if the plan were not approved he would have no alternative but to institute massive layoffs including police and fire personnel. Some 38 Fire Department recruits have become virtual hostages in the political wrangling between Mayor and Council. Cunningham promised to hire the recruits, expecting to have funds in the coming budg- et to pay them with. Since he made that promise, the Council has blocked economy measures that would have made the funds available to pay the recruits and then obstructed a bond sale that would have pro- duced other funds to enable the city to pay the recruits. Once the obstacles to the bond sale were resolved and the sale effected, the State slashed aid to the city, also factored into the budget, based on earlier representa- tions to city officials by the state. Cunningham's finance chief, Carlton McGee presented a budget proposal incorporating those representations calling for state aid of S10.5 Million to distressed cities. Instead, the state funded only $2 Million leaving an 58.5 hole in the city's budget plan. Jersey City, with a population of 240,000, will receive half as much State aid under the distressed cities program as Harrison with a population of 14,000. Cunningham and his finance team had on the back burner a plan to restructure the Municipal Utility Authority in a way that would produce a three year infusion of $42 Million, solving a host of problems, not only this year, but two years ahead, and according to Cunningham, thereafter. Council members, led by Council President L. Harvey Smith, pleaded igno- rance of the plan, though copies in full mind-numbing detail were delivered to all Council members in late November. Smith asked for more time to study the proposal even as the Business Administrator. McGee, explained that the time was grow- ing dangerously short to meet all the required deadlines. Smith also told the Council that delay on the measure had already cost the city considerably as inter- est rates had risen since the plan was first introduced. It was agreed that more time could be arranged and that officials of the MUA could come to a specially called Council meeting to walk Council members through the proposal. The city's Keystone Council, again led by Uncle Harvey Smith, in a thin- ly disguised political maneuver, boycotted their own specially called meeting. Council members asked for a detailed explanation that would allow them to decide on a finance proposal by the Municipal Utility Authority. The MUA plan would virtually assure stable taxes for three years in addi- tion to solving some problems with the MUA's own capital structure. By missing the specially scheduled meeting, the coun- cil puts the city at risk of missing deadlines that must be met to implement the plan before the end of the fiscal year, June 30. If those deadlines are not met the results would be either a tax increase for property owners, massive layoffs of city workers, including police and fire fighters, or both, according to Mayor Glenn Cunningham. Cunningham told the group of fire recruits who came to attend the expect- ed meeting that he had sent a letter earlier in the day to the City's Fire Director to pre- pare to hire them immediately once the budget had been approved. Cunningham got the Fire Director on a cell phone with the speaker feature turned on. With the phone on "speaker" Fire Director Jerry Cala told the assembled recruits that earlier that morning when he got the Mayor's let- ter, he had already begun making prepara- tions to start processing the new class of recruits immediately after the Mayor's budget proposal passed. Cala could be heard on the speakerphone that once the budget was approved it would take two weeks to get the class of recruits into the hiring process and on their way to the acad- emy. It was clear that the conversation between the Mayor and Fire Director occurred well before either knew that the Keystone Council would be a no-show later in the day at the special budget meet- ing. Cunningham told the recruits "Not only will I not be able to hire you without the budget, but I will have to make massive layoffs all through the City gov- ernment." Cunningham's budget proposal depends on the refinancing of the Municipal Utility Authority to produce suf- ficient funds to hold taxes level, hire the fire recruits as promised and add police. Without that financing, there will be a deficit requiring either a tax increase or lay- offs or both to produce a balanced budget. Cunningham told the recruits that this was a purely political maneuver to make him look bad, seen either as reneging on his promise to hire the recruits or raising taxes. One of the recruits, who declined to give his name, told Cunningham that they understood what was going on in the political game saying, "We know it wasn't Harvey Smith, it was you who appointed us." Cunningham distributed to the recruits a copy of the letter addressed to Fire Director Cala saying the recruits would be hired, as would additional police, just as soon as the budget was approved and he could be sure the funds were in hand. But the council's absence from the special meeting puts the entire budget at risk to complete all the necessary steps in time to satisfy all the deadlines. City Clerk Robert Byrne explained that it would still be possi- ble with the Council's cooperation to meet and approve the necessary ordinances by April 9th to get the money in the City's accounts in time to avert a Council engi- neered disaster. "I can't hire you until I have the money to pay you. And I won't be able to pay you until I have an approved budget with money it to pay you with," Cunningham told the recruits z ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 404 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 15, 2003 at 05:45:02 Subject: MARSHAL BACKS BAD GUYS OFF-RUN 'EM OUT OF TOWN NEXT MARSHAL BACKS BAD GUYS OFF-RUN 'EM OUT OF TOWN NEXT Urban Times News April 11-April 17, 2003 By J.A. Andrews Jersey City-It was like showing a cross to a vampire. "The bad guys just can't stand to see that badge," said Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. When a cam- paign ad appeared that included the mar- shal's badge he used to wear, Cunningham's political opponents reacted like any normal bad guys would, says the former US Marshal and US Marine. Cunningham is running for the State Senate in the 31st District. It is not just symbolic, explains Cunningham. "The real reason they hate to see that badge is the background check. In order to become a US Marshal I had to go through a background check by the FBI that took as long as it takes to have a baby: nine months. They checked me 10 ways from Sunday," said Cunningham, the former US Marshal. "They found out things about me that I did not know myself. If there had been the least little thing in my past, any- thing at all, I would have gotten knocked out of the box. But, of course, there is nothing and I did become a US Marshal. That is why the bad guys cannot stand to see the symbol. It stands for everything they are not and cannot ever be." Cunningham included a likeness of the US Marshal's badge he used to wear in his campaign ad in a local newspaper that also showed him in uniform when he was a US Marine. Cunningham says that he got a phone call from an official with the US Marshal service in Washington, DC. The official said that his office had gotten a phone call from the office of Congressman Bob Menendez D-13. Menendez later denied to the local paper that carried the ad that he had made the call or that the call had come from his office. It was evident that the US Marshall's service had gotten a com- plaint either directly from Menendez or someone in his office or indirectly through the Hudson County Democratic Organization which he and his attorney Donald Scarinci dominate. Scarinci i, Treasurer of the Menendez for Congress and the Hudson County Democratic Organization also. Regardless the exact ori- gin of the call, the US Marshal's service fell compelled to contact Cunningham. "I had three choices then," said Cunningham. "Either I give in and take the badge out of the ad or I refuse to take the badge out of the ad. I would not consider either of these two alternatives. The other choice was to include a disclaimer in any future ads saying that no endorsement of my candidacy for 31st District Senate seal is implied. So when you see future cam- paign ads there will be a disclaimer of endorsement. And then we'll run the bad guys out of town. I wonder why they did not call the Marine Corps also, while they were at it. I really did serve in the US Marine Corps, too," said Cunningham with a grin. "Maybe they would like a disclaimer from the Corps too." Regardless exact details and legal fine points, there is no love lost between the good guys and bad guys in this real-life political melodrama z ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 405 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 15, 2003 at 05:48:22 Subject: HUDSON COUNTY CAMPAIGN BEGINS IN EARNEST WITH SMEAR CAMPAIGN HUDSON COUNTY CAMPAIGN BEGINS IN EARNEST WITH SMEAR CAMPAIGN Urban Times News April 11-April 17, 2003 UTN NEWS ANALYSIS JERSEY CITY "I would like nothing better than for the so-called organi- zation to come at us with everything they think they have," said Mayor Glenn Cunningham is response to a press release from the Hudson County Democratic Organization hinting at irregularities in his campaign fundraising. "The best thing that could happen is for a state investigation of the campaign finance of Cunningham for Mayor and other committees," said Cunningham. "This is a farce. Just look what we have here. Just the stationary is hysterical. The list of committee officers reads like the Hudson County payroll and the Hudson County Improvement Authority. This is exactly what I have been talking about. Most of the persons who have obstructed the operation of good government in Jersey City are listed as some officer, and almost without exception, they all have jobs as well with the County of Hudson or The Hudson County Improvement Authority. That is the 'organization.' "Please note who is 'treasur- er' " said Cunningham, pointing to the name of Donald Scarinci. Scarinci was recently implicated in the scandal involving the State Parole Board's release of Genovese crime family Capo Angelo Prisco. Prisco was denied parole twice, but then hired Scarinci and was then paroled and released shortly after retaining Scarinci's legal services. Scarinci denied that there was any impropriety or undue influence involved in the Parole Board's decision. But the office of US Attorney Christopher Christie has begun an investigation into charges that the Parole board was pressured by Governor McGreevey's office to grant the parole after Prisco retained Scarinci to represent him. State Senator Robert Martin R-Morris said that there had not only been interference from the Governor's office in the Parole Board's decision on Prisco's parole, but in other cases as well. Scarinici is an attorney who is paired with Congressman Bob Menendez D- 13 and is also Treasurer of Menendez for Congress. Together the two are sometimes referred to as the Don and the Donald, hav- ing risen ranidlv together over the last 15 years through Hudson County politics to become power figures on the state and national level. Scarinci founded his law firm at the same time Menendez began his political career and has grown his shop to one of the top law firms in the state in a phe- nomenally short time, and now including 46 attorneys with annual billings in excess of $20 Million. Menendez followed a parallel track simultaneously mirroring the ascen- dancy of his high school pal in public life and is now considered the third ranking democrat in the House of Representatives. "I wonder if either of them could have done so much in so short a time with out a little help from the other, one hand washing the other." Ed Cheatham is the supposed source of all the comments in the so-called release from the HCDO. It is doubtful that Cheatham has had as much to say in his entire public life as is quoted in the release. The normally taciturn Board of Education member happens to be African American and can disparage Cunningham at will with- out risk of even the appearance of racism from the white-dominated Hudson County Democratic Organization. Cunningham's con- stituency is widely diverse, but centered in the pre- dominantly African American Ward F of Jersey City at the center of the 31 st District Senate Race. "By using Cheatham, it's like they use Uncle Harvey, trying to make it look like different members of the commu- nity are against Glenn," said Cunningham's advisors. "It is exactly like Harvey-another case of biting the hand that fed you. Cheatham may have forgotten but we did not. Maybe this would be a good opportu- nity to remind him of the real reason that he "resigned," from the Port Authority." The real reason Cheatham left the Port Authority was that a locker search turned up a quantity of contraband, accord- ing to those unimpeachable sources, who in fact advised Cheatham at the time of the incident. Cheatham was given the opportu- nity to resign with benefits and without scandal, or if he chose to fight, he would risk termination, loss of all benefits, and even prosecution on drug charges. Cheatham wisely took the deal and left the Port Authority without a commotion but had always remained guarded about his true rea- son for leaving ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 406 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 15, 2003 at 13:05:57 Subject: NJN Video: Menendez Against McGreevey Supreme Court Nomination Wallace's good fortune is Zulima Farber's bad fortune. For the NJN video, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** olonam posted Message 407 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 15, 2003 at 23:08:35 Subject: Manolo is an oreo cookie .................... white in the middle surrounded by the black cookie ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 408 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 16, 2003 at 09:39:08 Subject: NJN Video: Jersey City Seeks Increased Homeland Security Funding To view the NJN video, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Edw. A. Allen posted Message 409 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 16, 2003 at 14:16:47 Subject: Menendez finance violations FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MENENDEZ ACCUSED OF CAMPAIGN FUNDING VIOLATIONS Jersey City—Community Leaders will convene at 11am on Thursday April 17th called by Rev. Edward A. Alllen National Board Member of Operation PUSH, for a press conference on violations of the Federal Election Law by Congressman Robert Menendez. The conference, to be held at Congressman Menendez’ office at 911 Bergen Avenue in Jersey City, follows the filing of a formal complaint against Rep. Robert Menendez D-13, with the Federal Elections Commission, charging violations of the new campaign finance laws. Allen, a lifelong resident, active in local politics for 30 years, and currently a member of the Jersey City Board of Education, says “ In all the time that I have been active and involved I have never witnessed the arrogance and abuse of power exercised by our Congressman, Robert Menendez, D-13. CONTACT REVEREND EDW. A. ALLEN (732) 921-0044 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reverend Edward Allen posted Message 410 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 17, 2003 at 13:00:44 Subject: Campaign Finance Abuse Complaint Letter to FEC REV. EDWARD ALLEN 632 GARFIELD AVENUE JERSEY CITY NJ 07305 Tuesday, April 15, 2003 Federal Election Commission 999 E Street NW Washington DC 20463 To Whom It May Concern: This letter serves as formal notice to the Federal Election Committee (“FEC”) that New Jersey’s 13th District Congressman, Robert “Bob” Menendez (“Mr. Menendez”) is in direct violation of 11CFR Part 300, Subpart D, “Candidates and Officeholders/” BCRA places limits on the amounts and types of funds that can be raised by Federal candidates and Officeholders for both Federal and State candidates (See 2 USC 444 I (e)). The regulations that address these limitations are found in 11 CFR, Part 300 Subpart D (“Code”). In § 300,60 the Code mandates that restrictions apply only to “Federal candidates and officeholders, their agents, and entities directly or indirectly established, maintained, or controlled by, or acting on behalf of, any such candidates(s) or officeholders(s).” It is beyond contention that Mr. Menendez holds a Federal office and therefore a recitation of the definition of “Federal Office” will be dispensed with. In addition\, Donald Scarinci is Mr. Menendez’ long time friend and Treasurer and otherwise agent, and therefore his conduct is limited by the rule as well. Pursuant to Code § 300.61, a Federal candidate or officeholder is prohibited from, soliciting, receiving, directing, transferring, or spending non-federal funds in connection with an election for federal office, including funds for any federal election activity described in 11 CFR 100.24. (After opening this section to debate, the Commission added the word “disburse” to the list of covered activities in § 300.61). Importantly, according to Code § 300.62, any federal candidate or officeholder, his or her agent, successors or assigns is prohibited from: [r]aising, receiving, directing, transferring, or spending or disbursing funds in connection with any non-federal election, unless the funds are not in excess amounts permitted with respect to contributions to candidates and political committees and are not from sources prohibited by the act from making contributions in connection with federal elections. (See, 2 USC 441 (I)(e)(1)(B). In their comments for this provision, and specifically in connection with the restrictions on the solicitation and spending of non-federal funds by federal officeholders, the co-sponsors of the bill stated that these provisions were part of a “system of prohibitions and limitations on the ability of federal officeholders and candidates, to raise, spend and control soft money [in order] to stop the use of soft money as a means of buying influence and access with federal officeholders and candidates.” See 148 Cong. Rec. S2139 (Daily Ed. March 20, 2002) (Statement of Sen. McCain). Accordingly, the Commission has allowed candidates to solicit, receive, direct, transfer, spend or disburse funds in connection with federal and non-federal elections only from sources permitted under the Act and pursuant to the Acts combined amounts and contribution limits. The Commission is also of the opinion that Code § 300.62 does not permit federal candidates and officeholders to utilize non-federal funds for federal elections. There are several exceptions to the fundraising prohibitions for non-federal candidates, as well as for federal candidates and officeholders attending, speaking, or appearing as a featured guest at fundraising events. (See, respectively 11 CFR 300.63 and 300.64). After much debate as to the proper involvement a federal candidate may have at a fundraising event. The following is an excerpt from the Federal Register, Vol. 67, No. 145, Monday, July 29, 2002, Rules and Regulations, and is directly on point: “Accordingly, candidates and officeholders are free under the rules to speak at such functions without regulation or restriction…The Commission concludes, however, that federal candidates and officeholders are prohibited from serving as “Host Committees” for a party fundraising event or from personally signing a solicitation in connection with a state, local, or district party fundraising event, on the basis that these pre-event activities and outside the permissible activities described above flowing from a federal candidate or officeholder’s appearance or attendance at the event. “ Congressman Bob Menendez has directly solicited funds for the Hudson County Democratic Committee and has even employed his agent, Donald Scarinci, to do the same. In addition, Mr. Menendez, along with Donald Scarinci, controls the fundraising apparatus of the Hudson County Democratic Committee. In this vein, Mr. Menendez does more than speak at these fundraising events, he organizes them. Certainly, the Congressman’s name is not directly connected with these fundraising efforts; it is clear from the sameness of their donor base that Donald Scarinci is acting on direct orders from the Congressman. Finally, the Congressman’s action, along with Donald Scarinci is in direct violation of the spirit of the Act. Countless people considering make a contribution to a different organization, one not a part of the Congressman’s inner circle, have been threatened and told to re-evaluate whence their hard-earned dollars should b spent. It is clear that the law was established just so these types of actions would not be utilized. It is clear that Mr. Menendez, perhaps because of the reputation of Hudson County politics thinks that the law does not apply to him. But it does and I humbly request you investigate Mr. Menendez’ and his agent, Donald Scarinci’s activities with respect to his illegal fundraising. Very Truly Yours, Reverend Edward Allen ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rev. Edward Allen posted Message 411 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 17, 2003 at 13:16:49 Subject: Rev. Allen Remarks "Letter to The Editor" Rev. Edward Allen 632 Garfield Avenue Jersey City NJ 07305 Wednesday, April 16, 2003 Dear Sir or Madame, I am a lifelong resident, active in local politics for 30 years, and currently a member of the Jersey City Board of Education. In all the time that I have been active and involved I have never witnessed the arrogance and abuse of power exercised by our Congressman, Robert Menendez, D-13. As a lawmaker, one of Mr. Menendez’ highest duties is to uphold the laws of the land—all of them. We find, sadly, to the contrary, that Mr. Menendez consistently places himself above the law. We have seen egregious examples recently. During the past holiday season, he met with a majority and quorum of the Jersey City council without giving prior notice to the public in open defiance of the Open Meetings Act, the so-called sunshine law. He incited Council members to resist and obstruct the operation of government in Jersey City, by his control of party purse strings through his agent and long-time friend and associate, attorney Donald Scarinci. Scarinci is Treasurer of the Hudson County Democratic Organization and also Treasurer of Menendez for Congress. By tugging on these purse strings, with the aid of Scarinci, Menendez is able to make our local lawmakers dance like marionettes in a Punch and Judy show. Half the Jersey City Council has full time, mostly no-show, little work jobs in the government of the County of Hudson, by appointment through the Hudson County Democratic Organization. This gives Menendez more direct and forceful control over these local lawmakers and administrators, through their salaries and the power to turn them on and off at will. Newly enacted election law reforms were put in place exactly to stop abuses like these that have gone on too long. Mr. Menendez knows the law very well and is able to skirt it, doing violence to the spirit of the law if not the actual letter of it. The new laws strictly limit funds and the types of funds that can be raised by federal and state candidates and how those funds may be used. The law is clear on strict limits it places on the ability of a federal office holder like Mr. Menendez using his position and influence of the federal office he holds to raise money for local elections as Mr. Menendez has been doing. Menendez uses the power and influence of his federal office to raise money to fund local campaigns at the municipal, and county level acting by and through the Hudson County Democratic Organization. The Hudson County Democratic Organization then orchestrates local campaigns implemented with funds raised by Mr. Menendez. The duplicity and hypocrisy of Mr. Menendez is outrageous when we see him just weeks earlier marching with Civil Rights leaders symbolically re-crossing the Edmund Pettus bridge. Then the Congressman comes home to obstruct and, through his paid agents on the Jersey City Council, thwart efforts to govern New Jersey’s second largest city by its first African American Mayor, Glenn Cunningham. Menendez has now turned his ire on the Governor who did not appoint Menendez’ choice of jurists to the state’s Supreme Court. Governor McGreevey appointed an exceptionally qualified African American jurist in place of Menendez’ choice of a Cuban. Menendez constantly hides behind the Hispanic label. Look at the record and you will see that to Mr. Menendez, Hispanic or Latino means one thing and one thing only: Cuban. Menendez is an Hispanic who does not respond to the needs of his Puerto Rican constituents, in his definition of Hispanic. Menendez does not respond to the needs of Dominican constituents in his definition of Hispanic. To Menendez Hispanic and Latino mean the same thing and they mean one thing only: Cuban. And Cuban does not include African American, Venezuelan, or a host of other ethnic groups. It means the smallest segment of the Hispanic population. Menendez is allegedly a party leader uniting Democrats nationally. Instead, he is dividing Democrats locally in his self-serving strategy of divide and conquer. Menendez is the problem. Menendez is the living example of “Do as I say and not as I do.” His misuse of power and abuse of the public trust of his office mark him as no leader at all, but as a man without integrity. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 412 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 17, 2003 at 14:36:08 Subject: Video: Reverend Allen Speaks Out Against Congressman Menendez Reverend Allen accuses Congressman Menendez of ill-conceived policies and abuses of power.Video - Part A Video - Part B ***************** End Of Article ****************** The truth will set you free posted Message 413 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 18, 2003 at 16:20:12 Subject: It's all good but............................. A well written speech, big words, and a tat of eloquence but, its lacking one thing …..Credibility! You preach a good preach but again no credibility. Let us go to the time machine. Is it true that your closest friend, the person who helped you master mind this bogus attack is Bobby Jackson? The same Bobby Jackson who teamed up with Gerry McCann who were both charged with civil rights violations, the men who broke federal election laws trying to stop African Americans from Voting in Jersey City……….it’s all about credibility Rev. and you got NONE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 414 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 18, 2003 at 17:20:57 Subject: Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez Posted at NorthJersey.com Friday, April 18, 2003 By ANDREW GLAZER STAFF WRITER A black civil rights leader on Thursday accused Rep. Robert Menendez of illegally raising money for local Democrats - part of the continuing fallout from Governor McGreevey's appointment of a black judge to the Supreme Court. The Rev. Edward Allen said he filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission to protest Menendez's criticism of the court appointment. In an unusually public intraparty dispute, Menendez has attacked McGreevey for passing over a Hispanic woman for the post. Allen, a Newark pastor and national board member of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, described Menendez's push for more Hispanics in Trenton as "race-baiting." "Mr. Menendez believes he should use power of his to dislodge African-Americans from posts and positions of power they earned through service to the state," Allen said. . . . For the rest of the article, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NorthJersey.com posted Message 415 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 18, 2003 at 18:57:52 Subject: Re: Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez : Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez : Posted at NorthJersey.com : Friday, April 18, 2003 : By STEVEN GLAZER : STAFF WRITER : A black civil rights leader on Thursday accused Rep. Robert Menendez of illegally raising money for local Democrats - part of the continuing fallout from Governor McGreevey's appointment of a black judge to the Supreme Court. : The Rev. Edward Allen said he filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission to protest Menendez's criticism of the court appointment. In an unusually public intraparty dispute, Menendez has attacked McGreevey for passing over a Hispanic woman for the post. : Allen, a Newark pastor and national board member of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, described Menendez's push for more Hispanics in Trenton as "race-baiting." : "Mr. Menendez believes he should use power of his to dislodge African-Americans from posts and positions of power they earned through service to the state," Allen said. : . . . : For the rest of the article, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 416 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 18, 2003 at 19:42:55 Subject: Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez Bergen Record Friday, April 18, 2003 By ANDREW GLAZER STAFF WRITER A black civil rights leader on Thursday accused Rep. Robert Menendez of illegally raising money for local Democrats - part of the continuing fallout from Governor McGreevey's appointment of a black judge to the Supreme Court. The Rev. Edward Allen said he filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission to protest Menendez's criticism of the court appointment. In an unusually public intraparty dispute, Menendez has attacked McGreevey for passing over a Hispanic woman for the post. Allen, a Newark pastor and national board member of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, described Menendez's push for more Hispanics in Trenton as "race-baiting." "Mr. Menendez believes he should use power of his to dislodge African-Americans from posts and positions of power they earned through service to the state," Allen said. . . . For the rest of the article, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 417 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 18, 2003 at 20:10:49 Subject: Re: Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez : Civil rights leader lashes out at Menendez : Bergen Record : Friday, April 18, 2003 : By STEVEN GLAZER : STAFF WRITER : A black civil rights leader on Thursday accused Rep. Robert Menendez of illegally raising money for local Democrats - part of the continuing fallout from Governor McGreevey's appointment of a black judge to the Supreme Court. : The Rev. Edward Allen said he filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission to protest Menendez's criticism of the court appointment. In an unusually public intraparty dispute, Menendez has attacked McGreevey for passing over a Hispanic woman for the post. : Allen, a Newark pastor and national board member of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, described Menendez's push for more Hispanics in Trenton as "race-baiting." : "Mr. Menendez believes he should use power of his to dislodge African-Americans from posts and positions of power they earned through service to the state," Allen said. : . . . : For the rest of the article, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** newportlady posted Message 418 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 20, 2003 at 18:58:42 Subject: lite reading words HOME pictures Source the Quote "Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are." "It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity." "I will opt for creative financing every time." "We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city." "You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven." "They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place." "I forgot more than he'll ever know." "Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy." "We were friends." "When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City." "I don't think the people turned their backs on me." "The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him." "Nobody hates Bret Schundler." "I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events." "Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up." "We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity." "Any publicity is good publicity." "To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have lived here all my life." "You don't even know who your father is." "The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money." "The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill." "Tomorrow, the work starts." Louie Brunellesches Rudolph Contey Thomas Gangemi Newt Gingrich Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski Gerald McCann Bernard Murphy Liam Neeson Joseph Rakowski Bret Schundler Joseph Soriero Thomas Whelan Jaime Vazquez Answers Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are. Bernard Murphy, a city purchasing agent who was convicted of conspiracy, bribery and extortion in 1971. It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity. Liam Neeson in Schindler's List, bartering diamonds at Auschwitz. I will opt for creative financing every time. Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski. Creative financing is certainly called for to pay some of those county salaries, Robert. By the way, how do you find the '94 Grand Marquis? Suits you? Glad we could all help. We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city. You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven. Bret Schundler. No comment. Apropos Bob's Marquis, we'd like to pass along some info. provided by the mayor's PR dept.: apparently a local auto dealership leases a car to Schundler for $1 a year. See, leasing is better than buying. They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place. Louie Brunellesches, a character in Nick Tosches's 1988 novel Cut Numbers. Excerpt reprinted with permission from Harmony Books. I forgot more than he'll ever know. Gerald McCann, in a prison interview. Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy. Bret Schundler We were friends. Rudolph Contey, reminiscing at Allen Manzo's trial for aggravated assault for hitting Contey with a tire iron. Manzo was cleared. When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City. Gerald McCann, in a chance street encounter with a priest. I don't think the people turned their backs on me. Gerald McCann, while residing in Allenwood. The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him. Thomas Whelan, in a Wall Street Journal article circa 1966. Nobody hates Bret Schundler. Joseph Rakowski, who must have no pride of authorship of his various letters to the editor. I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events. Former academic Newt Gingrich, who may have a sense of history, but not of proportion. Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up. Joseph Rakowski, fleshing out his remarks concerning the possibility that the homeless might benefit from aerobics. We'd guess that he'd just had lunch with Newt Gingrich, but the timing is wrong. We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity. Thomas Whelan, whist trimming the city payroll. Any publicity is good publicity. Another face of Gerald McCann: the ad exec. To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have live here all my life. Thomas Gangemi. The mayor scheduled a stop to Genoa, Italy in 1963 to accompany a man named Christopher Columbus back to Jersey City to take part in Columbus Day festivities. As a formality, the type of which we all go through, Gangemi was asked to prove his citizenship, couldn't, and naturally had to resign his post. (He was found to be a lawful citizen of Calabria, Italy. He later became a naturalized US citizen.) Kind of a shame, as he was the city's pioneer mayor elected under the Faulkner Act, which changed the form of government from mayor-commissioner to mayor-council. Thus did he become the city's first mayor directly elected by the people and de-elected by INS. You don't even know who your father is. Gerald McCann. Despite the elegant positioning, we do not know the true context for this remark. We're told he also called people ugly. The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money. Gerald McCann The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill. Joseph Soriero, onetime city commissioner, referring to chromium landfill, proving again that the best things in life aren't always free. Tomorrow, the work starts. Jaime Vazquez's slogan while running for council in 1993. He later changed it to 'Mayor Schundler Team' to avoid even the appearance of action verbs. Another candidate for council, Francis O. Thompson, side-stepped the question of grammar altogether by choosing 'Thompson Better Quality.' Win she didn't. Most quotes courtesy The Jersey Journal and the Jersey City Reporter, so we cannot positively vouch for their accuracy. But thanks for the legwork, guys. Light Reading ***************** End Of Article ****************** Weezer posted Message 419 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 20, 2003 at 19:11:52 Subject: Re: lite reading I lived in Jersey City all my life, but I just guess that I'm dumb or something. Even after working for the City for a couple of years I was surprised when a supplier told me (with an innocent look on his face, yet) that before he put in a bid, he needed to know how much of a commission he had to figger in for me! Christie, if your lurking, I gave the guy a lecture that I expected him to make money and I expected the people of Jersey City to get the best deal, but I wasn't taking a dime! : : : Source the Quote : "Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are." : "It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity." : "I will opt for creative financing every time." : "We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city." "You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven." : "They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place." : "I forgot more than he'll ever know." : "Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy." : "We were friends." : "When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City." : "I don't think the people turned their backs on me." : "The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him." : "Nobody hates Bret Schundler." : "I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events." : "Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up." : "We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity." : "Any publicity is good publicity." : "To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have lived here all my life." : "You don't even know who your father is." : "The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money." : "The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill." : "Tomorrow, the work starts." : Louie Brunellesches : Rudolph Contey : Thomas Gangemi : Newt Gingrich : Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski : Gerald McCann : Bernard Murphy : Liam Neeson : Joseph Rakowski : Bret Schundler : Joseph Soriero : Thomas Whelan : Jaime Vazquez : : : Answers : Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are. : Bernard Murphy, a city purchasing agent who was convicted of conspiracy, bribery and extortion in 1971. : It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity. : Liam Neeson in Schindler's List, bartering diamonds at Auschwitz. : I will opt for creative financing every time. : Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski. Creative financing is certainly called for to pay some of those county salaries, Robert. By the way, how do you find the '94 Grand Marquis? Suits you? Glad we could all help. : We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city. : You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... : Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven. : Bret Schundler. No comment. Apropos Bob's Marquis, we'd like to pass along some info. provided by the mayor's PR dept.: apparently a local auto dealership leases a car to Schundler for $1 a year. See, leasing is better than buying. : They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place. : Louie Brunellesches, a character in Nick Tosches's 1988 novel Cut Numbers. Excerpt reprinted with permission from Harmony Books. : I forgot more than he'll ever know. : Gerald McCann, in a prison interview. : Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy. : Bret Schundler : We were friends. : Rudolph Contey, reminiscing at Allen Manzo's trial for aggravated assault for hitting Contey with a tire iron. Manzo was cleared. : When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City. : Gerald McCann, in a chance street encounter with a priest. : I don't think the people turned their backs on me. : Gerald McCann, while residing in Allenwood. : The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him. : Thomas Whelan, in a Wall Street Journal article circa 1966. : Nobody hates Bret Schundler. : Joseph Rakowski, who must have no pride of authorship of his various letters to the editor. : I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events. : Former academic Newt Gingrich, who may have a sense of history, but not of proportion. : Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up. : Joseph Rakowski, fleshing out his remarks concerning the possibility that the homeless might benefit from aerobics. We'd guess that he'd just had lunch with Newt Gingrich, but the timing is wrong. : We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity. : Thomas Whelan, whist trimming the city payroll. : Any publicity is good publicity. : Another face of Gerald McCann: the ad exec. : To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have live here all my life. : Thomas Gangemi. The mayor scheduled a stop to Genoa, Italy in 1963 to accompany a man named Christopher Columbus back to Jersey City to take part in Columbus Day festivities. As a formality, the type of which we all go through, Gangemi was asked to prove his citizenship, couldn't, and naturally had to resign his post. (He was found to be a lawful citizen of Calabria, Italy. He later became a naturalized US citizen.) Kind of a shame, as he was the city's pioneer mayor elected under the Faulkner Act, which changed the form of government from mayor-commissioner to mayor-council. Thus did he become the city's first mayor directly elected by the people and de-elected by INS. : You don't even know who your father is. : Gerald McCann. Despite the elegant positioning, we do not know the true context for this remark. We're told he also called people ugly. : The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money. : Gerald McCann : The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill. : Joseph Soriero, onetime city commissioner, referring to chromium landfill, proving again that the best things in life aren't always free. : Tomorrow, the work starts. : Jaime Vazquez's slogan while running for council in 1993. He later changed it to 'Mayor Schundler Team' to avoid even the appearance of action verbs. Another candidate for council, Francis O. Thompson, side-stepped the question of grammar altogether by choosing 'Thompson Better Quality.' Win she didn't. : : Most quotes courtesy The Jersey Journal and the Jersey City Reporter, : so we cannot positively vouch for their accuracy. But thanks for the legwork, guys. : : : : : Light Reading ***************** End Of Article ****************** Oyguy posted Message 420 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 20, 2003 at 20:37:55 Subject: Re: lite reading I can go you one better. I just started working at the city, but I'm still like running a side business on the weekend. This guy looks me up and says that he wants me to do a job for him. I talk to the guy and tell him that I don't think that he needs any work done. He insists that he does. I tell him that he don't, that he's just throwing his money away. For another couple of minutes we go through this silly dance of him trying to convince me that he needs the work done and me telling him that he don't when he finally comes out with it. He wants to hand me money to get an introduction to somebody. I just tell him to hold on to the dough and just go to an open house or something. It's not just good enough to not be dishonest, you really got to be ready to run away from temptation. : I lived in Jersey City all my life, but I just guess that I'm dumb or something. Even after working for the City for a couple of years I was surprised when a supplier told me (with an innocent look on his face, yet) that before he put in a bid, he needed to know how much of a commission he had to figger in for me! : Christie, if your lurking, I gave the guy a lecture that I expected him to make money and I expected the people of Jersey City to get the best deal, but I wasn't taking a dime! : : : : : : Source the Quote : : "Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are." : : "It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity." : : "I will opt for creative financing every time." : : "We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city." "You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven." : : "They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place." : : "I forgot more than he'll ever know." : : "Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy." : : "We were friends." : : "When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City." : : "I don't think the people turned their backs on me." : : "The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him." : : "Nobody hates Bret Schundler." : : "I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events." : : "Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up." : : "We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity." : : "Any publicity is good publicity." : : "To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have lived here all my life." : : "You don't even know who your father is." : : "The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money." : : "The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill." : : "Tomorrow, the work starts." : : Louie Brunellesches : : Rudolph Contey : : Thomas Gangemi : : Newt Gingrich : : Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski : : Gerald McCann : : Bernard Murphy : : Liam Neeson : : Joseph Rakowski : : Bret Schundler : : Joseph Soriero : : Thomas Whelan : : Jaime Vazquez : : : : : : Answers : : Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are. : : Bernard Murphy, a city purchasing agent who was convicted of conspiracy, bribery and extortion in 1971. : : It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity. : : Liam Neeson in Schindler's List, bartering diamonds at Auschwitz. : : I will opt for creative financing every time. : : Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski. Creative financing is certainly called for to pay some of those county salaries, Robert. By the way, how do you find the '94 Grand Marquis? Suits you? Glad we could all help. : : We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city. : : You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... : : Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven. : : Bret Schundler. No comment. Apropos Bob's Marquis, we'd like to pass along some info. provided by the mayor's PR dept.: apparently a local auto dealership leases a car to Schundler for $1 a year. See, leasing is better than buying. : : They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place. : : Louie Brunellesches, a character in Nick Tosches's 1988 novel Cut Numbers. Excerpt reprinted with permission from Harmony Books. : : I forgot more than he'll ever know. : : Gerald McCann, in a prison interview. : : Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy. : : Bret Schundler : : We were friends. : : Rudolph Contey, reminiscing at Allen Manzo's trial for aggravated assault for hitting Contey with a tire iron. Manzo was cleared. : : When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City. : : Gerald McCann, in a chance street encounter with a priest. : : I don't think the people turned their backs on me. : : Gerald McCann, while residing in Allenwood. : : The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him. : : Thomas Whelan, in a Wall Street Journal article circa 1966. : : Nobody hates Bret Schundler. : : Joseph Rakowski, who must have no pride of authorship of his various letters to the editor. : : I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events. : : Former academic Newt Gingrich, who may have a sense of history, but not of proportion. : : Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up. : : Joseph Rakowski, fleshing out his remarks concerning the possibility that the homeless might benefit from aerobics. We'd guess that he'd just had lunch with Newt Gingrich, but the timing is wrong. : : We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity. : : Thomas Whelan, whist trimming the city payroll. : : Any publicity is good publicity. : : Another face of Gerald McCann: the ad exec. : : To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have live here all my life. : : Thomas Gangemi. The mayor scheduled a stop to Genoa, Italy in 1963 to accompany a man named Christopher Columbus back to Jersey City to take part in Columbus Day festivities. As a formality, the type of which we all go through, Gangemi was asked to prove his citizenship, couldn't, and naturally had to resign his post. (He was found to be a lawful citizen of Calabria, Italy. He later became a naturalized US citizen.) Kind of a shame, as he was the city's pioneer mayor elected under the Faulkner Act, which changed the form of government from mayor-commissioner to mayor-council. Thus did he become the city's first mayor directly elected by the people and de-elected by INS. : : You don't even know who your father is. : : Gerald McCann. Despite the elegant positioning, we do not know the true context for this remark. We're told he also called people ugly. : : The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money. : : Gerald McCann : : The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill. : : Joseph Soriero, onetime city commissioner, referring to chromium landfill, proving again that the best things in life aren't always free. : : Tomorrow, the work starts. : : Jaime Vazquez's slogan while running for council in 1993. He later changed it to 'Mayor Schundler Team' to avoid even the appearance of action verbs. Another candidate for council, Francis O. Thompson, side-stepped the question of grammar altogether by choosing 'Thompson Better Quality.' Win she didn't. : : : : Most quotes courtesy The Jersey Journal and the Jersey City Reporter, : : so we cannot positively vouch for their accuracy. But thanks for the legwork, guys. : : : : : : : : : : Light Reading ***************** End Of Article ****************** Riding the Lightrail posted Message 421 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 22, 2003 at 16:01:00 Subject: If I don't stop scratching my head I'll lose the little bit of hair that I've got left. Here's what the county pr office has to say about itself: "All requests for advertising by the Office of the County Executive must approved by the Director." Can anybody figure it out? Is it a bad translation from some foreign language? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 422 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 23, 2003 at 08:51:00 Subject: Re: If I don't stop scratching my head I'll lose the little bit of hair that I've got left. : Here's what the county pr office has to say about itself: "All requests for advertising by the Office of the County Executive must approved by the Director." : Can anybody figure it out? Is it a bad translation from some foreign language? That would be James Kennelly, director. I would like to request some advertising. May I have some, please? Would you kinkly ask the director to approve my request? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious George posted Message 423 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 23, 2003 at 11:28:46 Subject: A question for Jay Stevens. Hey look it's Jay Stevens. Jay, you claim that you speak the "truth" so why do you hide behind a fake name? The truth will set you free. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 424 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 23, 2003 at 14:32:59 Subject: Re: A question for Jay Stevens. : Hey look it's Jay Stevens. : Jay, you claim that you speak the "truth" so why do you hide behind a fake name? The truth will set you free. Jay Stevens is my name. All that I have said is true. If you know one thing that I said that is not true, please tell me what that is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious George posted Message 425 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 23, 2003 at 15:00:11 Subject: Re: A question for Jay Stevens. Are you the Same Jay Stevens that writes for the UTN? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 426 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 23, 2003 at 16:54:37 Subject: UNCLE HARVEY CHARGED WITH ASSAULT L. Harvey Smith was named in a JCPD complaint at 2:45pm this afternoon by victim Darrell Laval and witness Al Carr that Smith assaulted Laval at 78 Fremont. The report states that Laval, "manager at the Booker T Housing Complex, was walking through the grounds when he spotted L. Harvey Smith standing outside 78 Fremont which doubles as a residence and a community center. Mr. Laval approached Smith and said Hello at which time Mr. Smith stated, 'I have nothing to f***ing say to you,' and then got close to Laval and pinned him to a wrought iron fence and stated, 'You'll get yours,' The report, JCPD #2003-00013622 says Smith then shoved Mr. Laval. A housing maintenance Supervisor, Al Carr who witnessed the incident intervened, at which time Mr. Laval walked away from Smith to report the incident to us(JCPD). Mr. Laval delcined any medical attention." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 427 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 23, 2003 at 16:58:12 Subject: Re: A question for Jay Stevens. : Are you the Same Jay Stevens that writes for the UTN? Yes, and you are...? ***************** End Of Article ****************** CG posted Message 428 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 23, 2003 at 18:53:23 Subject: Re: A question for Jay Stevens. : :You claim in your posting that the report was made "to us (JCPD)"....There is no Jay stevens in the JCPD..so still you hide behind a false name! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 429 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 01:27:11 Subject: Re: A question for Jay Stevens. : : :You claim in your posting that the report was made "to us (JCPD)"....There is no Jay stevens in the JCPD..so still you hide behind a false name! The post is a verbatim quote from JCPD report of that number(quoted) and "to us" is from the report meaning to JCPD. UTN obtained a copy of the report. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Panza posted Message 430 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 06:37:36 Subject: Re: UNCLE HARVEY CHARGED WITH ASSAULT : L. Harvey Smith was named in a JCPD complaint at 2:45pm this afternoon by victim Darrell Laval and witness Al Carr that Smith assaulted Laval at 78 Fremont. The report states that Laval, "manager at the Booker T Housing Complex, was walking through the grounds when he spotted L. Harvey Smith standing outside 78 Fremont which doubles as a residence and a community center. Mr. Laval approached Smith and said Hello at which time Mr. Smith stated, 'I have nothing to f***ing say to you,' and then got close to Laval and pinned him to a wrought iron fence and stated, 'You'll get yours,' The report, JCPD #2003-00013622 says Smith then shoved Mr. Laval. A housing maintenance Supervisor, Al Carr who witnessed the incident intervened, at which time Mr. Laval walked away from Smith to report the incident to us(JCPD). Mr. Laval delcined any medical attention." Ooh did Harv push poor Darrell.The beast! Hey Laval you wimp this is Jersey City.Someone pushes you , you push back.Go cry to Mommy you big baby.Harvey should have punched his lights out. ***************** End Of Article ****************** TYPICAL UTN PROPAGANDA posted Message 431 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 09:48:58 Subject: Re: UNCLE HARVEY CHARGED WITH ASSAULT This is typical UTN propaganda and we are not buying it remember it is all about CREDIBILITY! ...............and the UTN gang has none. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 432 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 10:35:23 Subject: JCPD Complaint file # 2003-00013622-4/23/03-14:45 credibility is in the eye of the beholder. People believe what they want to pre-conceive. The report is almost totally verbatim from JCPD, not any other source. If you want to believe that Harvey did not do this, you will believe it because you want to believe it, not because it is not true. If somebody breaks the law, you do not have license to break the law to "get even." Then you are also lawless. That is OK when you are 16 and in the schoolyard. Darrell Laval did the right thing or he would be the same thug Harvey has shown himself to be. That is why we have the rule of law and police to enforce those rules and that law. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious George posted Message 433 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 12:42:03 Subject: Re: JCPD Complaint file # 2003-00013622-4/23/03-14:45 You have to be kidding. Jay Stevens you seem like a intelligent person who is jaded. What is you story….Are they paying you the big bucks, have you a score to settle, what is it? Anyone with a 6th grade education is aware that anyone can file a police report. Filing such report does not give it truth or credibility. A police department must take a complaint if requested. Would you like me site the statures verbatim? “Jay” you will not have to go far to look for lawless behavior…read your own editorials (and I use the term loosely) the lawless actions and schoolyard behavior is in your own. ***************** End Of Article ****************** just passing by posted Message 434 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 12:55:21 Subject: Re: JCPD Complaint file # 2003-00013622-4/23/03-14:45 You have to be kidding. Jay Stevens you seem like an intelligent person who is jaded. What is you story….Are they paying you the big bucks, have you a score to settle, what is it? Anyone with a 6th grade education is aware that anyone can file a police report. Filing such report does not give it truth or credibility. A police department must take a complaint if requested. Would you like me site the statures verbatim? “Jay” you will not have to go far to look for lawless behavior…read your own editorials (and I use the term loosely) the lawless actions and schoolyard behavior is in your own. WELL SAID GEORGE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** cg posted Message 435 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 12:57:53 Subject: Re: A question for Jay Stevens. Jay I will be more happy to debate you on most of your issues. You know very well who I am. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 436 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 13:30:44 Subject: Jersey Journal: City Council prez accused of assault City Council prez accused of assault Smith calls complaint "politically motivated" Jersey Journal Thursday, April 24, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer The manager of the Booker T. Washington Public Housing complex in Jersey City is accusing City Council President L. Harvey Smith of shoving him and cursing at him during a brief confrontation at the complex yesterday, where Smith was campaigning for the upcoming state Senate primary. Smith, who is running against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham for the Democratic nomination to the Senate seat in the 31st District, denied shoving the man, Darrell Laval, and called the complaint politically motivated. "I put my hands on no one," Smith, who was not arrested, said yesterday ... The rest of the Jersey Journal article is available from the Link. : L. Harvey Smith was named in a JCPD complaint at 2:45pm this afternoon by victim Darrell Laval and witness Al Carr that Smith assaulted Laval at 78 Fremont. The report states that Laval, "manager at the Booker T Housing Complex, was walking through the grounds when he spotted L. Harvey Smith standing outside 78 Fremont which doubles as a residence and a community center. Mr. Laval approached Smith and said Hello at which time Mr. Smith stated, 'I have nothing to f***ing say to you,' and then got close to Laval and pinned him to a wrought iron fence and stated, 'You'll get yours,' The report, JCPD #2003-00013622 says Smith then shoved Mr. Laval. A housing maintenance Supervisor, Al Carr who witnessed the incident intervened, at which time Mr. Laval walked away from Smith to report the incident to us(JCPD). Mr. Laval delcined any medical attention." ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN LOST ANOTHER $$$$$$$$$$$ TODAY 5-0 posted Message 437 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 24, 2003 at 16:31:52 Subject: Re: UNCLE HARVEY CHARGED WITH ASSAULT : : This is typical UTN propaganda and we are not buying it remember it is all about CREDIBILITY! ...............and the UTN gang has none. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan H. Eason posted Message 438 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 25, 2003 at 05:55:48 Subject: Walsh Punch Knocks Out Challengers Walsh Punch Knocks Out Challengers Bayonne Battler Ready To Take on Good Old Boys April 24, 2003 Contact: Stan H. Eason For Immediate Release JERSEY CITY- County Executive Candidate Melba Walsh proved triumphant yesterday when a Hudson County Superior Court Judge reinstated her name on the official ballot for the June primary race for Hudson County Executive. Walsh, of Bayonne and a member of the Glenn D. Cunningham ticket for Senate in the 31st District, came off the ropes to defeat an apparently desperate challenge of her petitions to run for office. On April 18, Walsh and independent candidate Jamie Vazquez found their petitions challenged by the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Following three days of hearings, Walsh and Vazquez found their petitions rejected by Deputy County Clerk Joan Arango because of "continuous and potentially fraudulent acts" in gathering signatures. Reviewing the challenges, apparently Judge Arthur D’Italia did not agree with the dubious findings of the county clerk’s office. Now, incumbent Tom DeGise will have an opponent for the June 3rd primary. “We appreciate D’Italia’s decision because it gives the people of Hudson County a choice,” Walsh said. “Why are they (DeGise) seeking to run unopposed? We disagreed with Arango’s decision. We feel the decision was prejudiced. The HCDO made the decision as well as the complaint against our petitions," Walsh said. Walsh, Cunningham and assembly hopefuls Lou Manzo of Jersey City and Tony Chiappone of Bayonne, and Willie Flood county clerk) make up the Democrats for Hudson County slate. “This only strengthens my resolve to take on and challenge the good old boys who for far too long have been picking cards from the bottom of the deck. Hudson County residents need a new deal,” said Walsh, hoping to become the county’s first woman county executive. Mayor Cunningham, who was reached at the National Conference of Mayors in Houston, Texas following the court decision, was pleased to see that justice prevailed. “America is a democracy where each vote counts. The HCDO only wanted a one-sided race so that thousands of people’s voices would not be heard. Melba is the best choice for county executive because she will be a refreshing change from the way county government has been sorrowfully run in the past,” Cunningham said.//// ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 439 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 25, 2003 at 07:52:07 Subject: Jersey Journal: Judge orders Walsh put back on ballot Judge orders Walsh put back on ballot Won't appeal judge's order, says HCDO chief Jersey Journal Friday, April 25, 2003 By Ronald Leir Journal staff writer Two renegade candidates for Hudson County executive have been ordered back on the ballot, giving voters a choice from among three candidates in the June 3 Democratic primary election. Melba Walsh, running on a slate headed by Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, a candidate for state Senate, was ordered reinstated yesterday by state Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia. Jaime Vazquez, who isn't running on a slate, was restored on Wednesday after remedying a technical defect on his nominating petitions. Tom DeGise, the incumbent, is the Hudson County Democratic Organization's nominee. Charles Catrillo is the lone Republican running for county executive. Javier Inclan, executive director of the HCDO, which had challenged the candidates, said the HCDO wouldn't appeal D'Italia's decisions and that should clear the way for final candidate certifications and mailing of sample ballots by early next week. ... For the rest of the article, see the Link. : Walsh Punch Knocks Out Challengers : Bayonne Battler Ready To Take on Good Old Boys : April 24, 2003 : Contact: Stan H. Eason : For Immediate Release : JERSEY CITY- County Executive Candidate Melba Walsh proved triumphant yesterday when a Hudson County Superior Court Judge reinstated her name on the official ballot for the June primary race for Hudson County Executive. : Walsh, of Bayonne and a member of the Glenn D. Cunningham ticket for Senate in the 31st District, came off the ropes to defeat an apparently desperate challenge of her petitions to run for office. : On April 18, Walsh and independent candidate Jamie Vazquez found their petitions challenged by the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Following three days of hearings, Walsh and Vazquez found their petitions rejected by Deputy County Clerk Joan Arango because of "continuous and potentially fraudulent acts" in gathering signatures. : Reviewing the challenges, apparently Judge Arthur D’Italia did not agree with the dubious findings of the county clerk’s office. Now, incumbent Tom DeGise will have an opponent for the June 3rd primary. : “We appreciate D’Italia’s decision because it gives the people of Hudson County a choice,” Walsh said. “Why are they (DeGise) seeking to run unopposed? We disagreed with Arango’s decision. We feel the decision was prejudiced. The HCDO made the decision as well as the complaint against our petitions," Walsh said. : Walsh, Cunningham and assembly hopefuls Lou Manzo of Jersey City and Tony Chiappone of Bayonne, and Willie Flood county clerk) make up the Democrats for Hudson County slate. : “This only strengthens my resolve to take on and challenge the good old boys who for far too long have been picking cards from the bottom of the deck. Hudson County residents need a new deal,” said Walsh, hoping to become the county’s first woman county executive. : Mayor Cunningham, who was reached at the National Conference of Mayors in Houston, Texas following the court decision, was pleased to see that justice prevailed. “America is a democracy where each vote counts. The HCDO only wanted a one-sided race so that thousands of people’s voices would not be heard. Melba is the best choice for county executive because she will be a refreshing change from the way county government has been sorrowfully run in the past,” Cunningham said.//// ***************** End Of Article ****************** Inplainview posted Message 440 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 25, 2003 at 12:35:01 Subject: BOBBY JACKSON Somebody from old 280 was chewing my ear off the other day about what a louse Bobby Jackson is. All of a sudden, like she was standing right before me, I could hear my sainted Irish grandmother saying from at least 40 years ago, "When ever you hear somebody saying something bad about another nationality, don't you ever forget that you can always EASILY find many times worse amongst the Irish." I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out who immediately came to mind. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 441 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 25, 2003 at 12:40:35 Subject: Democrats fight a wartime primary in Hudson County Democrats fight a wartime primary in Hudson County By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com JERSEY CITY, April 23 - Two years ago, Glenn D. Cunningham captured the top job in the state's second largest city with the help of the powerful Hudson County Democratic Organization. But now, the two sides are at war, with a state Senate seat -- and a potential reordering of the Hudson County political power structure -- on the line. Cunningham announced in March that he would seek to replace 31st district State Sen. Joseph Charles (D-Jersey City), who is not running for re-election and is expected to take a Superior Court judgeship. He is running against Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith -- who has the backing of the Hudson County Democratic Organization -- but in many ways the race is an extension of the battle between Cunningham and Rep. Robert Menendez (D-Hoboken), the county's most powerful Democrat. "It's the people of Jersey City and Glenn Cunningham versus people outside of Jersey City looking to control Jersey City in any way they can," Cunningham said today. Once a Menendez ally, Cunningham and Menendez had a falling out last year over whether interim County Executive Bernard F. Hartnett should be the party's candidate for executive. Hartnett had been appointed to the post after Robert Janizewski's late 2001 resignation. ... For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** cg posted Message 442 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 25, 2003 at 13:24:29 Subject: Re: BOBBY JACKSON You post would be wonderful if it did not contain one major flaw ….Bobby Jackson! People do not dislike Mr. Jackson for his ethnic background; we dislike him because he is dishonest. If Mr. Jackson were a big yellow bird from a street named Sesame, we would still feel the same way. • He is dishonest. • He was found guilty of civil rights violations against fellow African-Americans • He extorts from the waterfront corporations with his many “Lobbyist firms” • However, most importantly he does nothing to better his own community • What kind of role model is he to the children of Jersey City, can you imagine what the future holds if they all followed his example. Scary huh? I would love to know the wonderful things he has done for his community. Tell me and maybe just maybe you can change my views until then my opinion stays as is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bucky posted Message 443 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 26, 2003 at 08:11:30 Subject: Merry Gerry Can somebody enlighten me here? I remembers way back when McCann and Glenn yelling at each other and Glenn telling him that he was goiing to get a ham sandwich in the lockup. Before that even Gerry got snagged for cutting the cables to the elevators in the projects to try to slow down the currywoods vote for Cucci. McCann was supposed to be working for Degise getting electedto mayor in the last go round. Now here is Gerry lips firmly planted on the bountiful bosom of city employment being blessed by Mayor Glenn Cunningham. How does soemthing like this playout? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hmmmm! posted Message 444 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 26, 2003 at 09:48:53 Subject: Re: BOBBY JACKSON Hmmmmm, very interesting should I repeat the things you said during our conversation "m", or should I just chalk it up as another cronie trying to kiss up to make the big bucks. And btw I am not a 280! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bunky posted Message 445 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 26, 2003 at 10:03:13 Subject: Re: Merry Gerry Wasn't there a bunch that used to run around committing hate crimes around 1975? The BONES I think they was called, they tried to make everybody think that they were protecting the people around Westside. The saddest thing I can remember about them was that they were getting too old to be juvenile delinquents so they wanted to graduate into a motorcycle gang, but as they couldn't get the money together to buy bikes they had to give up the dream : Can somebody enlighten me here? I remembers way back when McCann and Glenn yelling at each other and Glenn telling him that he was goiing to get a ham sandwich in the lockup. Before that even Gerry got snagged for cutting the cables to the elevators in the projects to try to slow down the currywoods vote for Cucci. McCann was supposed to be working for Degise getting electedto mayor in the last go round. Now here is Gerry lips firmly planted on the bountiful bosom of city employment being blessed by Mayor Glenn Cunningham. How does soemthing like this playout? ***************** End Of Article ****************** p.s. posted Message 446 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 26, 2003 at 11:57:05 Subject: Re: BOBBY JACKSON : Hmmmmm, very interesting should I repeat the things you said during our conversation "m", or should I just chalk it up as another cronie trying to kiss up to make the big bucks. And btw I am not a 280! You are the one who started the conversation about the bad blood in our city...our conversation was not about black or white. At no time did we speak or mention race. You see M your narrow minded thinking is part of the problem, this is not about skin color it is about bad people in power or at least trying to have it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mikey posted Message 447 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 26, 2003 at 14:19:41 Subject: Re: Merry Gerry There was somebody else in on the voter rights case with McCann that Cunningham put in. I can't make heads or tails out of it either. With the Merry one Glenn said to the paper it that everybody deserves a second chance. I'd like to see the Vietnam vets give Hanoi Jane a second chance! : Can somebody enlighten me here? I remembers way back when McCann and Glenn yelling at each other and Glenn telling him that he was goiing to get a ham sandwich in the lockup. Before that even Gerry got snagged for cutting the cables to the elevators in the projects to try to slow down the currywoods vote for Cucci. McCann was supposed to be working for Degise getting electedto mayor in the last go round. Now here is Gerry lips firmly planted on the bountiful bosom of city employment being blessed by Mayor Glenn Cunningham. How does soemthing like this playout? ***************** End Of Article ****************** I am curious yellow posted Message 448 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 26, 2003 at 16:43:26 Subject: Re: BOBBY JACKSON I don't know if your Jersey City's version of Mother Teresa, but since I moved here every mayor has had his pet weasel. The exception that proved the rule was Cucci, HE WAS HIS OWN WEASEL! I didn't see his first ride on the merry-go-round, but on the second (if not better) time around McCann had that character on the city payroll getting paid big bucks for pr work while police were getting laid off. When the general public was ready to storm the walls over this, the guy had to take a walk but started up a magazine that nobody read but still managed to get plenty of ads. : You post would be wonderful if it did not contain one major flaw ….Bobby Jackson! : People do not dislike Mr. Jackson for his ethnic background; we dislike him because he is dishonest. : If Mr. Jackson were a big yellow bird from a street named Sesame, we would still feel the same way. : • He is dishonest. : • He was found guilty of civil rights violations against fellow African-Americans : • He extorts from the waterfront corporations with his many “Lobbyist firms” : • However, most importantly he does nothing to better his own community : • What kind of role model is he to the children of Jersey City, can you imagine what the future holds if they all followed his example. Scary huh? : : I would love to know the wonderful things he has done for his community. : Tell me and maybe just maybe you can change my views until then my opinion stays as is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** reprint posted Message 449 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 26, 2003 at 21:15:32 Subject: Re: Merry Gerry 1532.5. It Gets Worse by Ukie4, 4/26/03 19:44 ET Re: Loew's Theater by kingleer, 4/26/03 Mayor Cunningham wrote a letter to the Friends of the Loew's stating that the concert had his full endorsement and told them to waive their rental fee. He also insisted his wife be placed on the board of the FOL despite the fact she had never shown any interest at all in their activities. A near riot occurred at the LaBelle concert. the FOL fears a rap concert will impossible for them to control. You can call this racist but violence follows these shows around. An acid rock show would be almost as inappropriate. Rev.(sic)Allen is a principal in the management group producing the event. Federal monies from the Office of Employment and Training (Ed Santiago) and Fifteen Together (Arthur Williams) will fund the show by buying hundreds of tickets for high school dropouts. These are facts not rumors check them out and someone stop this before years of hard work by the FOL go down the drain. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Peg Leg Pete posted Message 450 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 08:18:57 Subject: FOL LOFL? I read the whining post about a rap concert at the Loew's and I wanted to start a new post. I didn't vote for Cunningham in 2001 and I don't listen to rap music. Me listening to rap music would be like right out of that Steve Martin movie. Having said that, I think that it is great that the Loew's is finally, after who know how may tax payer dollars been poured into it, being used for some purpose for people of Jersey City. That it's something that I'm not really interested in seeing, I'm not going to complain, obviously a lot of people like rap music even if I'm not one of them. Maybe this will like break the ice and something will be going on there besides once in a blue moon 3rd rate movies out of the bargain basket at Blockbusters. The FOL (FONIES OF THE LOEWS) have been fighting tooth and nail to keep that place closed as their private clubhouse, with the rest of us being left to pick up the tab. With their scheming and yelping (and an inside track to Congressman Guarini?) they managed to browbeat 3 different mayors. After 15 years of COMING SOON signs, I'm glad that Glenn Cunningham is making the FOL bunch do something for somebody besides their little in crowd click. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Baby Cobra posted Message 451 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 09:20:25 Subject: Inappropriate, your derryair. Inappropriate, your derryair. Since you don't mind trying a scare job of conjuring up the sight of race riots, why don't you tell the truth about what's got you so bent out of shape. It's not that public money is being spent (who knows how much went down the rat hole of the Loews already), it's not that Rev. Allen isn't a Catholic Priest (thank god for that), it's not that the audience might not have gotten PHDs, or that the musicians never played Carnegie Hall, the truth is that you don't like the idea of your little playground getting opened up for anybody else to get the use out of it. If the tickets was being handed out over in Grennwich Village or Fire Island, I bet you'd be twirlingaround tippytoe like a ballerina. : 1532.5. It Gets Worse : by Ukie4, 4/26/03 19:44 ET : Re: Loew's Theater by kingleer, 4/26/03 : Mayor Cunningham wrote a letter to the Friends of the Loew's stating that the concert had his full endorsement and told them to waive their rental fee. He also insisted his wife be placed on the board of the FOL despite the fact she had never shown any interest at all in their activities. A near riot occurred at the LaBelle concert. the FOL fears a rap concert will impossible for them to control. You can call this racist but violence follows these shows around. An acid rock show would be almost as inappropriate. Rev.(sic)Allen is a principal in the management group producing the event. Federal monies from the Office of Employment and Training (Ed Santiago) and Fifteen Together (Arthur Williams) will fund the show by buying hundreds of tickets for high school dropouts. These are facts not rumors check them out and someone stop this before years of hard work by the FOL go down the drain. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Still crazy posted Message 452 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 10:17:57 Subject: Re: FOL LOFL? 25 years ago (WOW that really is a quarter of a century, isn't it!) me and my friends used to go to rock shows out of town. If I remember right, the Capitol at Passaic was the big one. We had a good time and caused no trouble. The theater always had police and security guards all over the place. We always wondered why nothing like that ever happened in Jersey City and guessed that the Loew's would be a great place. I hope that Jersey City kids will now have a place to enjoy themselves. Frank Sinatra went to see Bing Crosby at the Loews's when Bing Crosby was the popular thing. I just can't think of Frank Sinatra taking a date to see a silent movie, and we're talking 70 or so years ago even then. : I read the whining post about a rap concert at the Loew's and I wanted to start a new post. : I didn't vote for Cunningham in 2001 and I don't listen to rap music. Me listening to rap music would be like right out of that Steve Martin movie. : Having said that, I think that it is great that the Loew's is finally, after who know how may tax payer dollars been poured into it, being used for some purpose for people of Jersey City. That it's something that I'm not really interested in seeing, I'm not going to complain, obviously a lot of people like rap music even if I'm not one of them. Maybe this will like break the ice and something will be going on there besides once in a blue moon 3rd rate movies out of the bargain basket at Blockbusters. : The FOL (FONIES OF THE LOEWS) have been fighting tooth and nail to keep that place closed as their private clubhouse, with the rest of us being left to pick up the tab. With their scheming and yelping (and an inside track to Congressman Guarini?) they managed to browbeat 3 different mayors. After 15 years of COMING SOON signs, I'm glad that Glenn Cunningham is making the FOL bunch do something for somebody besides their little in crowd click. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Old but not cranky posted Message 453 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 10:49:30 Subject: Give it a chance Giuliani showed with New Year's Eve and St Patrick's Day Parade that events that everybody thought to just have to be nuisances could be polished up and done right for all to enjoy or at least not be pestered by. Even in Little Italy, Giuliani worked with them to get the Festival going on the right foot after all these many years. With this music at the Loews the Jersey City mayor is going to have to make sure that order is maintained and the Port Authority is going to have to go hand and hand with this. Cunningham is trying something new and I'm not going to put him down for that but thought and planning will have to be put in. : I read the whining post about a rap concert at the Loew's and I wanted to start a new post. : I didn't vote for Cunningham in 2001 and I don't listen to rap music. Me listening to rap music would be like right out of that Steve Martin movie. : Having said that, I think that it is great that the Loew's is finally, after who know how may tax payer dollars been poured into it, being used for some purpose for people of Jersey City. That it's something that I'm not really interested in seeing, I'm not going to complain, obviously a lot of people like rap music even if I'm not one of them. Maybe this will like break the ice and something will be going on there besides once in a blue moon 3rd rate movies out of the bargain basket at Blockbusters. : The FOL (FONIES OF THE LOEWS) have been fighting tooth and nail to keep that place closed as their private clubhouse, with the rest of us being left to pick up the tab. With their scheming and yelping (and an inside track to Congressman Guarini?) they managed to browbeat 3 different mayors. After 15 years of COMING SOON signs, I'm glad that Glenn Cunningham is making the FOL bunch do something for somebody besides their little in crowd click. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Instant Karma posted Message 454 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 12:45:56 Subject: Justice deferred is a blast There are some short memories at work here. Remember when running for governor Schundler brought a bunch of reporters to the square to show off the good works? Remember how the HCDO paid a bunch of good for nothings to run around with signs and yell? Congressman Bob is going to have 10X worse ready for Glenn. Glenn can't win. If the police hold back then everbody will be up in arms about the mess and property damage. If the police stop the ruffians, then it will be police brutality. You can be sure that Menendez's people are writing up a half a dozen different speaches right now. Basically, no matter what happens, Congrssman Bob will be shocked and indignant reading his speach the next day up the block at Bergen Avenue. : I read the whining post about a rap concert at the Loew's and I wanted to start a new post. : I didn't vote for Cunningham in 2001 and I don't listen to rap music. Me listening to rap music would be like right out of that Steve Martin movie. : Having said that, I think that it is great that the Loew's is finally, after who know how may tax payer dollars been poured into it, being used for some purpose for people of Jersey City. That it's something that I'm not really interested in seeing, I'm not going to complain, obviously a lot of people like rap music even if I'm not one of them. Maybe this will like break the ice and something will be going on there besides once in a blue moon 3rd rate movies out of the bargain basket at Blockbusters. : The FOL (FONIES OF THE LOEWS) have been fighting tooth and nail to keep that place closed as their private clubhouse, with the rest of us being left to pick up the tab. With their scheming and yelping (and an inside track to Congressman Guarini?) they managed to browbeat 3 different mayors. After 15 years of COMING SOON signs, I'm glad that Glenn Cunningham is making the FOL bunch do something for somebody besides their little in crowd click. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazers friend posted Message 455 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 14:36:29 Subject: Life as a UTN staff member...................... Every Wednesday night Pam Gallagher, the popular bar maid at the Lisbon, does a comedy gig in NYC, so the Lisbon is experimenting with a robotic bar tender as a novelty on that night of the week. Steve Glazer heard about it and went over to observe and see if there might be a human interest story in it. Steve went into Lisbon and stood in the background and watched as a distinguished looking gentleman came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?" The man replied, "130." So the robot proceeded to serve him and makeconversation about physics, astronomy, and so on. Steve listenedintently and thought, "This is really cool." Another guy came in for a drink and the robot asked him,"What's your IQ?" The man responded, "105." So the robot started talking aboutthe Final Four, dirt bikes, and so on, and Steve again thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool." Finally Steve thought to himself that this would be fun to try. As with the others, the robotasked him, "What's your IQ?" Steve replied, "80." "The robot immediately responded, "Hi Steve, how are things going at the UTN these days?" ***************** End Of Article ****************** FuzzyWuzzy posted Message 456 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 15:25:32 Subject: Re: Merry Gerry And there's the unsinkable M. Doyle right near the top of the indian pole to0. Between her and McCann I don't think the two together control two votes even. : Can somebody enlighten me here? I remembers way back when McCann and Glenn yelling at each other and Glenn telling him that he was goiing to get a ham sandwich in the lockup. Before that even Gerry got snagged for cutting the cables to the elevators in the projects to try to slow down the currywoods vote for Cucci. McCann was supposed to be working for Degise getting electedto mayor in the last go round. Now here is Gerry lips firmly planted on the bountiful bosom of city employment being blessed by Mayor Glenn Cunningham. How does soemthing like this playout? ***************** End Of Article ****************** RipVanReipen posted Message 457 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 15:42:45 Subject: Re: FOL LOFL? How long has the Loews been undergoing rehab now? The last legitimate movie that I can remember seeing there was ROCKY IV? There was still a Soviet Union way back then! : I read the whining post about a rap concert at the Loew's and I wanted to start a new post. : I didn't vote for Cunningham in 2001 and I don't listen to rap music. Me listening to rap music would be like right out of that Steve Martin movie. : Having said that, I think that it is great that the Loew's is finally, after who know how may tax payer dollars been poured into it, being used for some purpose for people of Jersey City. That it's something that I'm not really interested in seeing, I'm not going to complain, obviously a lot of people like rap music even if I'm not one of them. Maybe this will like break the ice and something will be going on there besides once in a blue moon 3rd rate movies out of the bargain basket at Blockbusters. : The FOL (FONIES OF THE LOEWS) have been fighting tooth and nail to keep that place closed as their private clubhouse, with the rest of us being left to pick up the tab. With their scheming and yelping (and an inside track to Congressman Guarini?) they managed to browbeat 3 different mayors. After 15 years of COMING SOON signs, I'm glad that Glenn Cunningham is making the FOL bunch do something for somebody besides their little in crowd click. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Magilla posted Message 458 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 16:14:04 Subject: Re: FOL LOFL? FONIES OF THE LOEWS is one way to put it. I get the biggest laugh every time I see the VOLUNTEER hocuspocus. At least one of the FOL has been shaking the city palm tree for coconuts for years now. : I read the whining post about a rap concert at the Loew's and I wanted to start a new post. : I didn't vote for Cunningham in 2001 and I don't listen to rap music. Me listening to rap music would be like right out of that Steve Martin movie. : Having said that, I think that it is great that the Loew's is finally, after who know how may tax payer dollars been poured into it, being used for some purpose for people of Jersey City. That it's something that I'm not really interested in seeing, I'm not going to complain, obviously a lot of people like rap music even if I'm not one of them. Maybe this will like break the ice and something will be going on there besides once in a blue moon 3rd rate movies out of the bargain basket at Blockbusters. : The FOL (FONIES OF THE LOEWS) have been fighting tooth and nail to keep that place closed as their private clubhouse, with the rest of us being left to pick up the tab. With their scheming and yelping (and an inside track to Congressman Guarini?) they managed to browbeat 3 different mayors. After 15 years of COMING SOON signs, I'm glad that Glenn Cunningham is making the FOL bunch do something for somebody besides their little in crowd click. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Just say no! posted Message 459 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 16:15:46 Subject: Re: BOBBY JACKSON To refer to the Urban Times News as a “newspaper” is an oxymoron.What the Urban Times News is a rag promoting Bobby Jackson’s agenda. There is very little truth and no credibility to the UTN. A community leader at a JC Council meeting asked a reporter who wanted to interview her who he works for. The reporter Steven Glazer answered, “I work for Bobby Jackson and the Urban Times News”. She asked him what does he do for BJ and the UTN and he answered “I do what ever he wants me to do ...I was hired to promote his agenda.” Give glazer a drink and he will sing like a bird. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Henson posted Message 460 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 16:23:34 Subject: Re: Merry Gerry Perhaps they borrowed (or inherited or something) Paul Byrne's scrapbook. : And there's the unsinkable M. Doyle right near the top of the indian pole to0. Between her and McCann I don't think the two together control two votes even. : : Can somebody enlighten me here? I remembers way back when McCann and Glenn yelling at each other and Glenn telling him that he was goiing to get a ham sandwich in the lockup. Before that even Gerry got snagged for cutting the cables to the elevators in the projects to try to slow down the currywoods vote for Cucci. McCann was supposed to be working for Degise getting electedto mayor in the last go round. Now here is Gerry lips firmly planted on the bountiful bosom of city employment being blessed by Mayor Glenn Cunningham. How does soemthing like this playout? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Magillia we dont get it????????????????????/ posted Message 461 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 16:32:45 Subject: Re: FOL LOFL? Huh? ***************** End Of Article ****************** A story for Jay(steve)Stevens(Glazer) posted Message 462 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 16:35:25 Subject: Re: A question for Jay Stevens. 1440.9 Inovation at Lisbon downtown by JoeRepka, 4/13/03 Every Wednesday night Pam Gallagher, the popular bar maid at the Lisbon, does a comedy gig in NYC, so the Lisbon is experimenting with a robotic bar tender as a novelty on that night of the week. Steve Glazer heard about it and went over to observe and see if there might be a human interest story in it. Steve went into Lisbon and stood in the background and watched as a distinguished looking gentleman came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?" The man replied, "130." So the robot proceeded to serve him and makeconversation about physics, astronomy, and so on. Steve listenedintently and thought, "This is really cool." Another guy came in for a drink and the robot asked him,"What's your IQ?" The man responded, "105." So the robot started talking aboutthe Final Four, dirt bikes, and so on, and Steve again thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool." Finally Steve thought to himself that this would be fun to try. As with the others, the robotasked him, "What's your IQ?" Steve replied, "80." "The robot immediately responded, "Hi Steve, how are things going at the UTN these days?" ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOL posted Message 463 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 16:36:45 Subject: Re: mANOLO AND STEVE GLAZER GET NEW YORK TIMES JOBS 1440.9 Inovation at Lisbon downtown by JoeRepka, 4/13/03 Every Wednesday night Pam Gallagher, the popular bar maid at the Lisbon, does a comedy gig in NYC, so the Lisbon is experimenting with a robotic bar tender as a novelty on that night of the week. Steve Glazer heard about it and went over to observe and see if there might be a human interest story in it. Steve went into Lisbon and stood in the background and watched as a distinguished looking gentleman came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?" The man replied, "130." So the robot proceeded to serve him and makeconversation about physics, astronomy, and so on. Steve listenedintently and thought, "This is really cool." Another guy came in for a drink and the robot asked him,"What's your IQ?" The man responded, "105." So the robot started talking aboutthe Final Four, dirt bikes, and so on, and Steve again thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool." Finally Steve thought to himself that this would be fun to try. As with the others, the robotasked him, "What's your IQ?" Steve replied, "80." "The robot immediately responded, "Hi Steve, how are things going at the UTN these days?" ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bert Ernie posted Message 464 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 17:35:39 Subject: For Jay(steve) Stevens 1440.9 Inovation at Lisbon downtown by JoeRepka, 4/13/03 Every Wednesday night Pam Gallagher, the popular bar maid at the Lisbon, does a comedy gig in NYC, so the Lisbon is experimenting with a electronic bar maid as a novelty on that night of the week. Steve Glazer heard about it and went over to observe and see if there might be a human interest story in it. Steve went into Lisbon and stood in the background and watched electronis bar maid asked him, "What's your I.Q.?" The man replied, "130." So the robot proceeded to serve him and makeconversation about physics, astronomy, and so on. Steve listenedintently and thought, "This is really cool." Another guy came in for a drink and the electronic bar maid asked him,"What's your I.Q.?" The man responded, "105." So the robot started talking about the Final Four, dirt bikes, and so on, and Steve again thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool." Finally Steve thought to himself that this would be fun to try. As with the others, the electronic bar maid asked him, "What's your I.Q.?" Steve replied, "80." "The robot immediately responded, "Hi Steve, how are things going at the UTN these days?" ***************** End Of Article ****************** To :GET NJ posted Message 465 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 18:37:41 Subject: Please explain.... "Vigorous disagreement and debate is expected, but curses and insults are not allowed! All off topic and libelous posts will be erased! No ads are permitted in this Board!" Then please tell us why do you allow the gang at the UTN to re-print their smut. Most of it defies your above words what gives? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 466 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 19:06:49 Subject: Re: Please explain.... Because it's copied from the printed version:The material appears originally in hard copy.The printed version contains the name and address of the publisher.Each article contains a reporter's byline.Posted material is attributed to both the publication and the writer. If and when anything shows up at this Message Board from the Urban Times News, I check it against the printed paper. If it's copied verbatim, I let it stand. If anybody else wants to post harsh statements, they can do so, but NOT ANONYMOUSLY. You must first identify yourself. Then you must send me a signed, printed copy of your statement. You must identify yourself in the post. I'll check your post to make sure that it is identical to the document with the signature. (If the article appears previously with the author's name in an identifiable publication, I won't require a signature.) In short, I'll use the same rules for anybody else that I use for the Urban Times News. Visitors are welcome to post differing points of view, as many do. I won't allow Curses, threats, puerile jokes, racial epithets, and insults that would not be tolerated on the walls of a public restroom. : "Vigorous disagreement and debate is expected, but curses and insults are not allowed! All off topic and libelous posts will be erased! No ads are permitted in this Board!" : Then please tell us why do you allow the gang at the UTN to re-print their smut. : Most of it defies your above words what gives? ***************** End Of Article ****************** pe posted Message 467 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 19:55:26 Subject: Re: Please explain.... Please correct me if I am wrong …You have in your possession a signed document from each of the author, if it did not appear in a newspaper. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 468 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 20:34:14 Subject: Re: Please explain.... If you don't like something, say that you don't like it. If you think that something is wrong, say that you think that it is wrong. If you can prove something wrong, produce the proof. If you want to say that somebody has done something wrong, then you must identify yourself and first make the statement on paper. I'm a humble keyboard jockey. Over the last few weeks, I've gotten very tired of the wide range of arguments on how, why, and where the first amendment does not apply -- particularly, "I been trying to talk to you in a nice way..." : : Please correct me if I am wrong …You have in your possession a signed document from each of the author, if it did not appear in a newspaper. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pe posted Message 469 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 20:47:48 Subject: Thank You. No message : If you don't like something, say that you don't like it. : If you think that something is wrong, say that you think that it is wrong. : If you can prove something wrong, produce the proof. : If you want to say that somebody has done something wrong, then you must identify yourself and first make the statement on paper. : I'm a humble keyboard jockey. Over the last few weeks, I've gotten very tired of the wide range of arguments on how, why, and where the first amendment does not apply -- particularly, "I been trying to talk to you in a nice way..." : : : : Please correct me if I am wrong …You have in your possession a signed document from each of the author, if it did not appear in a newspaper. ***************** End Of Article ****************** TOM posted Message 470 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 27, 2003 at 21:41:44 Subject: Re: Thank You. No message :I JUST READ YOUR POSTING WHY WOULD ANYONE GIVE YOU A HARD TIME ABOUT THE 1ST AMMED. HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO A WEB CHAT ROOM? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan H. Eason posted Message 471 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : April 28, 2003 at 16:41:35 Subject: "Flood The Polls" Push Reaches 900 Democrats for Hudson County Contact: Stan H. Eason April 28, 2003 For Immediate Release ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 472 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 08:53:15 Subject: Justices appear split in remap case Justices appear split in remap case Tuesday, April 29, 2003 By HERB JACKSON Bergen Record TRENTON BUREAU The state Supreme Court appeared divided Monday as it considered a lawsuit brought by Republicans trying to throw out the map that defines legislative district boundaries. How the court rules could change what towns are in what districts in this November's elections, when all 120 legislative seats are on the ballot. But several justices indicated they were leaning toward sending the whole case back to trial court so more facts could be developed, and no time frame was set for a ruling. The June 3 primary is being held using the disputed map, which was developed in 2001 after a non-partisan tie-breaker, Princeton University Professor Larry Bartels, sided with Democrats against Republicans on a special bipartisan commission. The new map helped Democrats that year win control of the Assembly and a 20-20 split in the Senate after a decade of solid Republican control of both houses. Republicans lost two federal court challenges to the map in 2001, but they hit pay dirt in state appeals court in January when a three-judge panel ordered the map redrawn. The panel ruled that since Newark and Jersey City were spread among three districts each rather than two each, the map violated a clause in the constitution that limits division of municipalities. The Supreme Court put the appeals court ruling on hold, however, while it considered the case. For the rest of the article, see the link: ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 473 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 16:56:18 Subject: Walsh Mugged Again, Vazques Pushed Off Ballot, By HCDO Walsh Mugged Again, Vazques Pushed Off Ballot, By HCDO Urban Times News, April 25 - May 1, 2003 By UTN NEWS Jersey City-The Hudson County Clerk disqualified the nominating petitions of two challengers for the office of County Executive after three days of hearings. Deputy County Clerk Joan Arango rejected the petitions of Melba Walsh, of Bayonne, running on the Democrats For Hudson County State of Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham, because of "potential" fraud in gathering signatures. The petitions of independent Democrat Jaime Vazquez, of Jersey City, were also disallowed on a tech- nicality, but Vazquez was given time to cor- rect those faults. Walsh and her attorney, Joseph Terula, said the decision will be appealed in court. Walsh said she is confi- dent the courts will restore her to the ballot Apparently, the outcome of the proceedings were sufficiently important for the HCDO that Representative Robert Menendez D-13 made a brief in person appearance at the hearing offices during the proceedings. The office of County Clerk itself is one of the offices up for grabs in the coming primary that will also pit challenger Willie Flood, running with Walsh on the Democrats for Hudson County, against incumbent Janet Haynes of the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Flood's petition was not challenged. Walsh and Vazquez both are vying for the office of County Executive running against incum- bent Tom DeGise, who is running on the HCDO ticket. DeGise will be unopposed if Vazquez and Walsh are unable to overcome disqualification. The Hudson County Democratic Organization challenged the petitions of Walsh and Vazquez. "We're clearly in dis- agreement (with Arango). We feel the deci- sion was prejudiced. The HCDO made the decision as well as the complaint," Walsh said. Walsh had a similar experience with HCDO tactics one year ago when she actu- ally won election to a council seat in Bayonne on the machine vote tally. Walsh then lost by 12 votes when election workers delivered absentee ballots to overcome Walsh's lead of more than 100 votes on machine-counted ballots. Superior Court Judge Francis McLaughlin found numerous "irregulari- ties" in the handling of the absentee ballots but upheld the election result anyway. McLaughlin said that though there were numerous irregularities, he did not find suf- ficient reason to overturn the election. Walsh said the previous HCDO victory was not in the voting, but in the counting of the votes. Court testimony disclosed that numerous absentee ballots were collected from residents planning to be at the Jersey Shore for a long weekend. All of those bal- lots were delivered by hand in unsealed envelopes by a Bayonne municipal worker who also worked for the Hudson County Democratic Organization on city time z ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 474 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 17:04:44 Subject: A Tale of Two Harveys -- Look What You Can Do With No Money Down A Tale of Two Harveys -- Look What You Can Do With No Money Down Urban Times News April 25 - May 1, 2003 By Steven Glazer Jersey City-It looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, but officials of the Housing Trust of America are adamant that their company is not a renamed Lafayette Manning. That company, now bankrupt, was controlled by a New York Developer named Harvey Shapiro who has established a claim of ownership on a key piece of Jersey City real estate, by unprecedented means. The property was once known as Whitlock Cordage and was once a major employer in Jersey City, located at Lafayette and Manning Streets, hence the name Lafayette Manning. But Wallace Scruggs, CEO of Housing Trust of America, says that Shapiro approached Housing Trust of America last November already in bankruptcy. Housing Trust was the only bidder and was awarded the property by the Bankruptcy Court for $4.3 Million. Housing Trust of America will also pay some additional amounts for dem- olition and clean up on the site that will ulti- mately bring the all-in total to about $4.75 Million. It is unclear why Shapiro would represent the sale of the property to Scruggs' syndication effort while the property was in the hands of a trustee of the bankruptcy court. It would be the job of the Trustee to find a buyer for any assets of the bankrupt- cy estate. Now that Housing Trust has bought the property, Scruggs said in a tele- phone interview, Shapiro is out of the pic- ture completely as far as any claim of own- ership that he might have. Scruggs' statement is in sharp con- tradiction to representations made in Housing Trusts' disclosures to the Federal Bankruptcy Court and also sharply contra- dicts the Trustee in Bankruptcy. Robert Pimienta, the court appointed Trustee said that Housing Trust's filings with the court clearly disclose that Shapiro has an owner- ship interest in the project with Housing Trust. Pimienta also said that though the fmancial distributions of the bankruptcy are largely concluded, they are not complete. Pimienta will continue to monitor the progress of the transaction for the con- tinued benefit of creditors, including the City of Jersey City. The price paid will be sufficient to satisfy most of the claims of creditors, but if Shapiro does have a carried interest in the resulting project, the Trustee would pursue recovery efforts, possibly attaching those assets of Shapiro's IF need be. Pimienta also said that he intended to look further into the sale of the one build- ing, 160 Lafayette, sitting on a landlocked parcel in the middle of the site. Pimienta said that the sale was suspect, possibly not an "arm's length" transaction, and had at least the appearance of a fraudulent transfer of ownership. Housing Trust says it will renovate the buildings on the site of the former rope factory to include 330 housing units, includ- ing 198 affordable housing units and 132 market rate units. The site includes roughly 6.5 acres and ten buildings, one of which had been subdivided and sold by Shapiro. But that building will also be included in the historic designation and the renovation, although it is currently under separate and independent ownership. Dan Wrieden, the city's historic preservation officer says that the site quali- fies for historic landmark designation by the city pm a number of different parameters. Wrieden says that if the developers careful- ly adhere to requirements set out in federal guidelines, not very different than the municipal code modeled on those require- ments, state and national historic designa- tion would probably follow. This makes a much more attractive proposition for the investors whom Housing Trust will rely on to finance the project in their syndications. Historic designation would provide an additional tier of tax cred- its, dollar for dollar credits, not deductions, to investors. These tax credits would sub- stantially increase the return to investors in the property, if the project qualifies. Housing Trust has previously completed similar size projects including one in Atlanta with 356 units, according to Scruggs, so this should be no great leap for the syndicator. Scruggs said unequivocally that Shapiro had no carried interest in the project or the property going forward. The court awarded the property to Housing Trust who now has until June to get their final prepara- tions ready to close, and with that, says Scruggs, Shapiro is out of the picture. The plan is almost exactly the same idea that Shapiro first proposed when he initially became involved with the property, includ- ing affordable housing, and historic preser- vation, although Shapiro added the embel- lishment of housing for seniors. Smack in the middle of the Morris Canal Redevelopment plan area is a 6.5- acre site that once housed an industrial mill in the Pittsburgh rustbelt school of industri- al revolution architecture. With the aid of some Hudson County employees moon- lighting as Jersey City Council members, a New York developer got a one-of-kind pay- ment plan to rescue the property from auc- tion sale to clear up tax arrears. Kindly council members then helped the developer get a special zoning classification for the property; the only one of its kind there is or has ever been in Jersey City. When a property owner falls behind in property tax and water and sewer assessments, the amounts owed build until the city executes a lien on the property. That lien puts a cloud on the title so the owner cannot sell or mortgage or transfer the prop- erty without first paying the amount owed. This is what happened in the case of 170 Lafayette Street. Harvey Shapiro, the developer, wanted to acquire the property by paying the tax arrears and satisfying the lien. Only, Mr. Shapiro did not have the cash to pay all the money owed. City officials with 20 years service to the city spoke for the record on the con- dition that their identity not be disclosed. "Mariano Vega was the ramrod for this proj- ect for Shapiro. He took point. He ran this thing around like it was his baby. Vega took very good care of Mr. Shapiro. He probably gave Shapiro one of his Mariano Vega Medals of Honor." Vega has occasionally passed out as rewards Olympic style medals with his likeness, on a ribbon, bearing the legend, "Mariano Vega Medal of Honor." Helpful Council members, includ- ing L. Harvey Smith, Mariano Vega, E. Junior Maldonado, William Gaughan, and then-council president Tom DeGise affixed their signatures to a council resolution giv- ing Mr. Shapiro the right to pay off the lien over a period of three years. "This is always cash on the barrel head, almost without exception," said the city official. But this time the Council gave its approval. Approval in hand, Mr. Shapiro went straight to the planning board and, using the Council resolution in lieu of a deed, asked planning board members for a zoning approval of a type not seen before. **Shapiro got it. City officials said that the planning board suspended normal requirements for such action since Shapiro could not repre- sent clear title to the property and could not document paid up status as to city taxes owed. Normally, lack of either clear title or paid up taxes are non-starters for property owners seeking zoning approval,. Shortly after getting the zoning he needed, Mr. Shapiro was able to subdivide the parcel in a way that carved out a landlocked lot exact- ly equal to the footprint of one of the build- ings on the site. Shapiro then sold that building and the land it sat on for $300,000. Sources in city government who watched the progress of the property over the last 15 years said that there has been no comparable exception made for a property in their collective memory. "There have been payment plans permitted to clear up property taxes in arrears to help individual homeowners avoid foreclosure in cases of extreme duress and hardship. But here we are talking about homeowners in owner- occupied housing who have fallen on hard times. Serious illness, disability and such things were the handful of exceptions in all these years, when a payment plan was per- mitted. It has never happened with a com- mercial property like this one," say city offi- cials. Shapiro never made any payment on cials. Shapiro never made any payment on the payment plan. Mr. Shapiro apparently seduced Council members Vega and others with a strong pitch how intended to renovate the structure and turn it into either low-income or affordable housing for seniors and try and landmark the former sweat shop as historic landmark. Some Council members were a little more seduced than others like Harvey Smith who received cash from Shapiro. Smith's campaign finance disclosure reports show cash contributions from Mr. Shapiro. Mr. Smith was not available for comment. Council members were so taken with Shapiro's persuasiveness that they did not look very critically or deeply into the developer's track record. Had they done more due diligence they would have found that are similar scheme by Shapiro in Syracuse, NY wound up a spectacular fail- ure with a $15 Million bankruptcy. Not only did Shapiro not make a single payment on the payment plan granted by council members, but now Shapiro's development corporation, Lafayette Manning, is itself in bankruptcy. Shapiro never paid the city a penny for the property, but did have suffi- cient control over the property to sell the one building and renting another for amounts variously reported as "between $17,000 and $20,000 a month." Now, the council has initiated steps to apply for a grant for affordable housing for the benefit of Housing Trust, through the city's HEDC, according to Doug Greenfeld of the HEDC. The grant is what Greenfeld called a "pass through" meaning only the municipality can apply for it but the developer, in this case, Housing Trust of America is liable for the repayment. The grant, says Greenfeld, is for $4.5 Million although it could wind up being more than the purchase price of the proper- ty. A spokesperson for Housing Trust said that the ultimate investment will be more than $50 Million. Scruggs said that the bal- ance of the financing would include tax free loans through the New Jersey Housing ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 475 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 17:09:43 Subject: Harvey Smith, Mariano Vega Took Money From NY Developer Harvey Shapiro Harvey Smith, Mariano Vega Took Money From NY Developer Harvey Shapiro Urban Times News April 25 - May 1, 2003 UTN NEWS Jersey City-It looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, but officials of the Urban Housing Trust are adamant that their company is not a renamed Lafayette Manning. That company, now bankrupt is owned by a New York Developer named Harvey Shapiro who has established a claim of ownership on a key piece of Jersey City real estate, by unprecedented means. Smack in the middle of the Morris Canal Redevelopment plan area is a 6.5-acre site that once housed an industrial mill in the Pittsburgh rustbelt school of industrial revolution architecture. With the aid of some Hudson County employees moonlighting as Jersey City Council mem- bers, a New York developer got a one-of- kind payment plan to rescue the property from auction sale to clear up tax arrears. Kindly council members then helped the developer get a special zoning classifica- tion for the property; the only one of its kind there is or has ever been in Jersey City. When a property owner falls behind in property tax and water and sewer assessments, the amounts owed build until the city executes a lien on the property. That lien puts a cloud on the title so the owner cannot sell or mortgage or transfer the property without first paying the amount owed. This is what happened in the case of 170 Lafayette Street. Harvey Shapiro, the developer, wanted to acquire the property by paying the tax arrears and satisfying the lien. Only, Mr. Shapiro did not have the cash to pay all the money owed. City officials with 20 years serv- ice to the city spoke for the record on the condition that their identity not be dis- closed. "Mariano Vega was the ramrod for this project for Shapiro. He took point. He ran this thing around like it was his baby. Vega took very good care of Mr. Shapiro. He probably gave Shapiro one of his Mariano Vega Medals of Honor." Vega has occasionally passed out as rewards Olympic style medals with his likeness, on a ribbon, bearing the legend, "Mariano Vega Medal of Honor." Helpful, Council members, including L. Harvey Smith, Mariano Vega, E. Junior Maldonado, William Gaughan, and then-council president Tom DeGise affixed their signatures to a council resolu- tion giving Mr. Shapiro the right to pay off the lien over a period of three years. "This is always cash on the barrel head, almost without exception," said the city official. But this time the Council gave its approval. Approval in hand, Mr. Shapiro went straight to the planning board and, using the Council resolution in lieu of a deed, asked planning board members for a zon- ing approval of a type not seen before. Shapiro got it. Shortly after getting the zon- ing he needed, Mr. Shapiro was able to subdivide the parcel in a way that carved out a landlocked lot exactly equal to the footprint of one of the buildings on the site. Shapiro then gold that building and the land It sat on for $300,000. Sources in city government who watched the progress of the property over the last 15 years said that there has been no comparable exception made for a property in their collective memory. "There have been payment plans permitted to clear up property taxes in arrears to help individual homeowners avoid foreclosure in cases of extreme duress and hardship. But here we are talking about homeowners in owner- occupied housing who have fallen on hard times. Serious illness, disability and such things were the handful of exceptions in all these years, when a payment plan was per- mitted. It has never happened with a com- mercial property like this one," say city officials. Shapiro never made any payment on the payment plan. Mr. Shapiro apparently seduced Council members Vega and others with a strong pitch how intended to renovate the structure and turn it into either low-income or affordable housing for seniors and try and landmark the former sweat shop as his- toric landmark. Some Council members were a little more seduced than others like Harvey Smith who received cash from Shapiro. Smith's campaign finance disclo- sure reports show cash contributions from Mr. Shapiro. Council members were so taken with Shapiro's persuasiveness that they did not look very critically or deeply into the developer's track record. Had they done more due diligence they would have found that are similar scheme by Shapiro in Syracuse, NY wound up a spectacular fail- ure with a $15 Million bankruptcy. Not only did Shapiro not make a single pay- ment on the payment plan granted by coun- cil members, but now Shapiro's develop- ment corporation, Lafayette Manning, is itself in bankruptcy. Shapiro never paid the city a penny for the property, but did have sufficient control over the property to sell the one building and renting another for amounts variously reported as "between $17,000 and $20,000 a month Z ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 476 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 17:25:32 Subject: HCDO Offic Manager Defects - Slams "Uncle Harvey" Sellout HCDO Offic Manager Defects - Slams "Uncle Harvey" Sellout Urban Times News April 25 - May 1, 2003 By UTN NEWS Email. stories@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City Allen Ross used to be the office manager of the Hudson County Democratic Organization Office on Monticello Avenue. But then Ross' conscience became unmanageable. Ross can now be seen and heard around Jersey City campaigning, practically crusading, for Glenn Cunningham, but also against The Hudson County Democratic Organization. Ross' change of heart about his former party affiliation and employer centers heavily on Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith. Ross recalls Smith's role in the handling of Rev. Ralph Brower's nomina- tion by Mayor Glenn Cunningham to the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency. Smith earned himself the nickname for the shameless way he connived with other HCDO aligned council members to block Rev. Brower's appointment. According to Ross the incident was "shameful." Those present last year at the City Council meet- ing witnessed an obviously pre-arranged parliamentary stunt carefully orchestrated by Council President Smith with the con- nivance of Council members William A. Gaughan and E. Junior Maldonado. Eyewitnesses saw Smith hang his head as Gaughan told the board that Smith had told Gaughan earlier that the Rev. was in poor health and that the Rev.'s eyesight was failing. Thoughtfully, Gaughan moved to table the motion on Brower's appointment and like lightning, Maldonado seconded the motion taking it out of play for at least two weeks. Only Viola Richardson was still loyal to Mayor Glenn Cunningham of the nine council members. That meant simply that even if Richardson moved to "untable" the motion and put it to a vote, there would be no second and the appointment would remain tabled forever. As this drama played out in just minutes, witnesses watching Smith's body language saw obvious discomfort as Smith seemed to shrink to half his considerable size with his face low and looking at the table top. Rev. Brower, seated in the back of the crowded council chamber was pres- ent as all this played out and those seated around Brower cried out that Brower was present in the chamber. Those calls were followed by jeers of "You better get some glasses," while the council ignored the obvious presence of Brower and tabled the motion while Smith squirmed in his now hot seat. Ross says that Smith should remember that he sits on the council now only because the man he opposes and is now running against for 31st District Senate Seat helped Smith into office. "Glenn Cunningham put Smith on the Cunningham ticket, when DeGise and the Hudson County Democrats refused and would not have him. Harvey needs to remember that now that he is opposing the man who helped him. Now Harvey is helping the men who would not help Harvey. That is the kind of guy we are talking about. We all need to remember that." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 477 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 17:33:51 Subject: Menendez Accused of Campaign Funding Violations Menendez Accused of Campaign Funding Violations Urban Times News April 25 - May 1, 2003 By Steven Glazer Email. sglazer*urbantimesnews.com Jersey City-Rev. Edward A. Allen National Board Member of Operation PUSH, called for a Federal investigation of violations of the Federal Election Law by. Congressman Robert Menendez. Allen has filed a formal complaint against Rep. Robert Menendez D- 13, with the Federal Elections Commission, charging violations of the new campaign finance laws. Allen, a lifelong resident, active in local politics for 30 years, and currently a member of the Jersey City Board of Education, says "In all the time that I have been active and involved I have never witnessed the arrogance and abuse of power exercised by our Congressman, Robert Menendez, D-13. As a lawmaker, one of Mr. Menendez' highest duties is to uphold the laws of the land-all of them. We find, sadly, to the contrary, that Mr. Menendez consis- tently places himself above the law. We have seen egregious examples recently." For example, says Allen, " During the past holiday season, he met with a majority and quorum of the Jersey City council without giving prior notice to the public in open defiance of the Open Meetings Act, the so-called sunshine law. He incited Council members to resist and obstruct the operation of government in Jersey City, by his control of party purse strings through his agent and long-time friend and associate, attorney Donald Scarinci. Scarinci is Treasurer of the Hudson County Democratic Organization and also Treasurer of Menendez for Congress. By tugging on these purse strings, with the aid of Scarinci, Menendez is able to make our local lawmakers dance like marionettes in a Punch and Judy show. "Half the Jersey City Council has full time, mostly no-show, little work jobs in the government of the County of Hudson, by appointment through the Hudson County Democratic Organization. This gives Menendez more direct and forceful control over these local lawmakers and administra- tors, through their salaries and the power to turn them on and off at will." In fact, of the nine Jersey City Council Members, 8 are active members of the Hudson County Democratic Organization and 4 are employed by the County of Hudson in polit- ically appointed jobs at salaries ranging from a low of $60,000 to a high of $95,000. "Newly enacted election law reforms were put in place exactly to stop abuses like these that have gone on too long." Says Allen. The new law prevents use of funds raised by higher office holders to benefit the campaigns of candidates for office at lower levels of government. "Mr. Menendez knows the law very well and is able to skirt it, doing violence to the spirit of the law if not the actual letter of it. The new laws strictly limit funds and the types of funds that can be raised by federal and state candidates and how those funds may be used. The law is clear on strict limits it places on the ability of a federal office hold- er like Mr. Menendez using his position and influence of the federal office he holds to raise money for local elections as Mr. Menendez has been doing. " "Menendez uses the power and influence of his federal office to raise money to fund local campaigns at the municipal and county level acting by and through the Hudson County Democratic Organization. The Hudson County Democratic Organization then orchestrates local cam- paigns implemented with fords raised by Mr. Menendez. The duplicity and hypocrisy of Mr. Menendez is outrageous when we see him just weeks earlier marching with Civil Rights leaders symbolically re-crossing the Edmund Pettus bridge. Then the Congressman comes home to obstruct and, through his paid agents on the Jersey City Council, thwart efforts to govern New Jersey's second largest city by its first African American Mayor, Glenn Cunningham. " Menendez has now turned his ire on the Governor who did not appoint Menendez' choice of jurists to the state's Supreme Court. Governor McGreevey appointed an exceptionally qualified African American jurist, Appellate Judge John Wallace to replace the court's only sit- ting African American member, Justice James Coleman Jr., who will be forced to retire when he turns 70 in May. Menendez publicly broke ranks with McGreevey for not appointing Menendez' choice, attorney Zulima Farber. Farber is Hispanic, but has no experience as a judge. A background check revealed that she was a motor vehicle scofflaw as well. The governor's office said that the motor vehicle violations were not the deciding issue; they did not work in her favor either. Allen also points to Farber's Cuban heritage. "Menendez constantly hides behind the Hispanic label. Look at the record and you will see that to Mr. Menendez, Hispanic or Latino means one thing and one thing only: Cuban. Menendez is a Hispanic who does not respond to the needs of his Puerto Rican constituents, in his definition of Hispanic. Menendez does not respond to the needs of Dominican constituents in his defmition of Hispanic. To Menendez Hispanic and Latino mean the same thing and they mean one thing only: Cuban. And Cuban does not include African American, Venezuelan, or a host of other ethnic groups. It means the smallest segment of the Hispanic popula- tion. Menendez is allegedly a party leader uniting Democrats nationally. Instead, he is dividing Democrats locally in his self-serving strategy of divide and con- quer. Menendez is the problem. Menendez is the living example of "Do as I say and not as I do." His misuse of power and abuse of the public trust of his office mark him as no leader at all, but as a man without integrity ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reprint from NJO.Com posted Message 478 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 22:14:40 Subject: The Urban Times News 1531.1. The whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me.............. by newtonjo, 4/25/03 16:53 ET Re: URBAN TIMES? by TRUTHSEEKER1, 4/25/03 To refer to the Urban Times News as a “newspaper” is an oxymoron.What the Urban Times News is a rag promoting Bobby Jackson’s agenda. There is very little truth and no credibility to the UTN. A community leader at a JC Council meeting asked a reporter who wanted to interview her who he works for. The reporter Steven Glazer answered, “I work for Bobby Jackson and the Urban Times News”. She asked him what does he do for BJ and the UTN and he answered “I do what ever he wants me to do ...I was hired to promote his agenda.” » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us © 2003 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reprint from the Njo posted Message 479 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 22:17:31 Subject: Urban Times News 1531.2. URBAN TIMES? by realmacaw, 4/25/03 19:11 ET Re: URBAN TIMES? by TRUTHSEEKER1, 4/25/03 The Urban Times News is a paper of honor fighting evil forces. I find it particularly useful for lining the bottom of my cage. It can have no higher purpose. As always, your faithful parrot. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reprint from NJO posted Message 480 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 22:18:35 Subject: The Urban Times News 1531.3. End the UTN Misery by citizenable, 4/28/03 13:28 ET Re: URBAN TIMES? by TRUTHSEEKER1, 4/28/03 If all remaining advertisers would stop advertising in this hate-filled rag, as the County of Hudson, the City of Jersy City, and the Jersey City Board of Education have done, it can be put out of it's misery. For sure, very few would pay to read it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** REprint from njo posted Message 481 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 22:19:57 Subject: Urban Times News 1531.3.1. sure they would like to by ebonynivory, 4/28/03 21:59 ET Re: URBAN TIMES? by TRUTHSEEKER1, 4/28/03 I'm sure that UTN advertisers (spelled h-o-s-t-a-g-e-s) would like nothing more than to quit paying that rag for "business". However, I'm sure that they're initially strongarmed into advertising by some vague appeal to the "black community", then the hook is set and they can't get out (by some vague or overt suggestion of race loyalty or betrayal or some such nonsense). Given the actual content, it's the only explanation. » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us © 2003 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** REprint from njo posted Message 482 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 22:19:58 Subject: Urban Times News 1531.3.1. sure they would like to by ebonynivory, 4/28/03 21:59 ET Re: URBAN TIMES? by TRUTHSEEKER1, 4/28/03 I'm sure that UTN advertisers (spelled h-o-s-t-a-g-e-s) would like nothing more than to quit paying that rag for "business". However, I'm sure that they're initially strongarmed into advertising by some vague appeal to the "black community", then the hook is set and they can't get out (by some vague or overt suggestion of race loyalty or betrayal or some such nonsense). Given the actual content, it's the only explanation. » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us © 2003 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reprint from NJO.com posted Message 483 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 22:22:29 Subject: THE URBAN TIMES NEWS 1531.3.2. Untitled by EASEDROPED1, 4/28/03 23:04 ET Re: URBAN TIMES? by TRUTHSEEKER1, 4/28/03 I must commend the woman who spoke before the BOE and requested they stop advertising in the Urban Times. She was dynamite, she gave them more then they new what to do with. The good (sic) Rev.Allen tried to discredit her.I over heard after the meeting someone say that she is the same women who does a lot charitable work for children.At the next meeting the UTN was gone. Click to view these responses Thanks...................... by sighhhhhhhhh, 5/1/03 » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us © 2003 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reprint from NJO.com posted Message 484 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 01, 2003 at 22:24:31 Subject: THE URBAN TIMES 1531.3.2.1. Thanks................................. by sighhhhhhhhh, 5/1/03 20:11 ET Re: URBAN TIMES? by TRUTHSEEKER1, 5/1/03 Thanks for the compliment and I am glad that the Board Of Education did the right thing.If the children are required to live up to a Code of Conduct so should the adults. I am pleased that the board members were listening…, Robin P. » Forums Help » User Agreement » Privacy Policy About Us | User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Help/Feedback | Advertise With Us © 2003 NJ.com. All Rights Reserved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 485 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 07:46:35 Subject: Peter Weiss, Jersey Journal: Gov due to boost HCDO Gov due to boost HCDO Peter Weiss Jersey Journal Friday, May 02, 2003 Gov. James E. McGreevey's problems with the Hudson County Democratic Organization leadership apparently aren't as great as some people believe, or want to believe. Sources say the governor is coming here next week to endorse the entire HDCO slate in the Democratic primary. In particular, HCDO leaders want his support in the 31st Legislative District, where they're engaged in a battle that has captured statewide attention. Assemblyman and Bayonne Mayor Joseph Doria is seeking re-election on the HCDO slate while Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham heads the rival Democrats for Hudson County slate as its state Senate candidate. ... For the rest, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** MozyDozy posted Message 486 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 08:05:03 Subject: People of Hudson County, Your Hour of Liberation is at Hand! People of Hudson County, Your Hour of Liberation is at Hand! The MARINES ARE COMING to kick out the gang of thieves that have been using the government to make things cushy for themselves and their friends these many years! ***************** End Of Article ****************** MayWee posted Message 487 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 08:08:52 Subject: Kounty Konniver Kennelly Is there anything to the buzz that Jim Kennelly wanted to get a press job in the Schundler mayor office back in 97? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Al the Antique Dealer posted Message 488 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 08:47:32 Subject: Jack Shaw? What's Jack Shaw been up to? I haven't heard anything about him since Ed Pulver died. I see that the building over there on Montgomery Street is up for sale. I guessed that with all the razzamataz all over the place that Jack would be leading the charge for on side or the other. Is this one storm that he is going to sit out in the harbor? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Henson posted Message 489 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 09:14:40 Subject: Re: Kounty Konniver Kennelly : Is there anything to the buzz that Jim Kennelly wanted to get a press job in the Schundler mayor office back in 97? Yep, back in Winter-Spring-Summer of 97 (the-election-without-end) the present and current newly-duly annointed Kounty Konniver slobbered all over himself in the throwaway that nobody in Jersey City reads (As a Doctor friend of mine once remarked to someone seeking free advice, "Something given without charge is, by definition, worthless."). Balancing his checkbook, wordsmith Jim now believed that a credit was due, so the deposit slip got sent off to 280 Grove. Luckily, thankfully, Bret was not his usual decisive self here and held a seance with his top familiar. The sage advice was redered: "As it stands now, you've got almost every wet-powder, woulduv-coulduv-shoulduv, wannabee Napoleon of Hudson County Politics on the payroll now. Don't be greedy, you don't need to corner the market in these characters." So now the Konniver goes back to his grimy keyboard and declares war. From GOD BLESS YOU BRET, the pendulum precipitously swings and every articles rips Schundler, at one point comparing him to the Devil, even. Since the readership hovered about 59, not even reaching room temperature, it seemed pretty futile. But as we see now, the the Old Hudson County Adage is proved yet again: "You can fool all of the people, some of the time; you can fool some of the people all of the time -- AND THAT'S ALL IT TAKES TO GET OVER!!!!" ***************** End Of Article ****************** REPRINT OF:ASSOCIATED PRESS WIRE posted Message 490 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 15:04:25 Subject: HCDO SUES MAYOR GLENN CUNNINGHAM Hudson Democratic Organization sues Democratic mayor The Associated Press 5/2/2003, 11:27 a.m. ET JERSEY CITY, N.J. (AP) -- The Hudson County Democratic Organization has sued Mayor Glenn Cunningham on charges of campaign finance violations, escalating an intraparty feud. Cunningham, a Democrat who heads the state's second-largest city, faces an organization-backed candidate, City Council President L. Harvey Smith, in the June 3 party primary for state Senate. The mayor has been vying for political primacy in the county with U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Union City. The organization and others, including Smith, charged that Cunningham and several of his political committees have failed to file required financial disclosure reports. The suit also names the state Election Law Enforcement Commission, the agency charged with receiving the disclosure forms, as a defendant. A message seeking comment from a Cunningham spokesman was not immediately returned Friday. ELEC executive director Fred Herrmann said he could not comment on the lawsuit, nor confirm or deny any ELEC inquiry. In general, candidate committees and political action committees are required to file financial disclosure reports, he said. ***************** End Of Article ****************** DA' TRUTH posted Message 491 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 18:07:51 Subject: More UTN -Bull A well written speech, big words, and a tat of eloquence but, its lacking one thing …..Credibility! You preach a good preach but again no credibility. Let us go to the time machine. Is it true that your closest friend, the person who helped you master mind this bogus attack is Bobby Jackson? The same Bobby Jackson who teamed up with Gerry McCann who were both charged with civil rights violations, the men who broke federal election laws trying to stop African Americans from Voting in Jersey City……….it’s all about credibility Rev. and you got NONE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 492 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 02, 2003 at 19:57:01 Subject: 1st Amendment and the Web : :I JUST READ YOUR POSTING WHY WOULD ANYONE GIVE YOU A HARD TIME ABOUT THE 1ST AMMED. HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO A WEB CHAT ROOM? I don't understand. What do you mean? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 493 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 03, 2003 at 11:02:41 Subject: New York Times: It Almost Seems Like Torricelli And Lautenberg All Over Again It Almost Seems Like Torricelli And Lautenberg All Over Again ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 494 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 03, 2003 at 11:37:17 Subject: Jersey Journal: Foes: Freeze Cunningham, allies' war chest Foes: Freeze Cunningham, allies' war chest His response: HCDO suit is effort to disenfranchise voters Jersey Journal Saturday, May 03, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal staff writer The Hudson County Democratic Organization has filed a lawsuit to freeze the campaign funds of Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, a candidate for state Senate, and his allies for other offices in the June Democratic primary. The suit alleges that various Cunningham fund-raising organizations "have routinely ignored and violated" state campaign finance report filing requirements. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Just dropped in posted Message 495 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 03, 2003 at 11:51:57 Subject: Re: Bart Now that was a real weasel's weasel! What was his name? I know that the first name was Bart, but I can't think of the last name. And the best of it was that he didn't start in Jersey City but slid on down out of North Bergen, sort of a blazing the trail for Jose Arango. : I don't know if your Jersey City's version of Mother Teresa, but since I moved here every mayor has had his pet weasel. The exception that proved the rule was Cucci, HE WAS HIS OWN WEASEL! I didn't see his first ride on the merry-go-round, but on the second (if not better) time around McCann had that character on the city payroll getting paid big bucks for pr work while police were getting laid off. When the general public was ready to storm the walls over this, the guy had to take a walk but started up a magazine that nobody read but still managed to get plenty of ads. : : You post would be wonderful if it did not contain one major flaw ….Bobby Jackson! : : People do not dislike Mr. Jackson for his ethnic background; we dislike him because he is dishonest. : : If Mr. Jackson were a big yellow bird from a street named Sesame, we would still feel the same way. : : • He is dishonest. : : • He was found guilty of civil rights violations against fellow African-Americans : : • He extorts from the waterfront corporations with his many “Lobbyist firms” : : • However, most importantly he does nothing to better his own community : : • What kind of role model is he to the children of Jersey City, can you imagine what the future holds if they all followed his example. Scary huh? : : : : I would love to know the wonderful things he has done for his community. : : Tell me and maybe just maybe you can change my views until then my opinion stays as is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 3for5 posted Message 496 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 03, 2003 at 14:13:07 Subject: Re: Bart I don't think that it was North Bergen. I think that he came from West New York. He was some kind of politico up there but he wound in a problem and had to leave town. It was North Hudson for sure. : Now that was a real weasel's weasel! What was his name? I know that the first name was Bart, but I can't think of the last name. : And the best of it was that he didn't start in Jersey City but slid on down out of North Bergen, sort of a blazing the trail for Jose Arango. : : I don't know if your Jersey City's version of Mother Teresa, but since I moved here every mayor has had his pet weasel. The exception that proved the rule was Cucci, HE WAS HIS OWN WEASEL! I didn't see his first ride on the merry-go-round, but on the second (if not better) time around McCann had that character on the city payroll getting paid big bucks for pr work while police were getting laid off. When the general public was ready to storm the walls over this, the guy had to take a walk but started up a magazine that nobody read but still managed to get plenty of ads. : : : You post would be wonderful if it did not contain one major flaw ….Bobby Jackson! : : : People do not dislike Mr. Jackson for his ethnic background; we dislike him because he is dishonest. : : : If Mr. Jackson were a big yellow bird from a street named Sesame, we would still feel the same way. : : : • He is dishonest. : : : • He was found guilty of civil rights violations against fellow African-Americans : : : • He extorts from the waterfront corporations with his many “Lobbyist firms” : : : • However, most importantly he does nothing to better his own community : : : • What kind of role model is he to the children of Jersey City, can you imagine what the future holds if they all followed his example. Scary huh? : : : : : : I would love to know the wonderful things he has done for his community. : : : Tell me and maybe just maybe you can change my views until then my opinion stays as is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cecil B. Demille posted Message 497 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 03, 2003 at 14:54:19 Subject: Cast of thousands Why do I get the distinct impression that that certain cretin who's been doing the cutandpaste crosspost on every board in Hudson County (claiming to be a cop, a woman, pianokeys, etc.) and posting a lot of great white hope hoopla (makin like Glenn is going to let loose the boogeymen at Newport and only Bobby Menendez's wind-up wooden soldier mayors (after all, it would be like so nasty to call them puppets and they are too big anyhow) is between like the vast (If I wanted to wax Churchillian, I'd add "brutish." I'd be tempted to throw in "docile," too, but as nobody studies Latin or picks up a dictionary anymore, the effect would be like totally lost) hordes of the east and the sanctity of female virute, as I was trying to say before I so rudely interrupted myself by a like derailed train of thought, why do I believe that that certain individual (WHO IS ANONYMOUS! NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS! IT'S LIKE PETER PARKER AND SPIDERMAN JUMPING RIGHT OUTTA YER SCREEN!!!) will not be highlighting and copying the text from the post to which this rant is a followup? : : Is there anything to the buzz that Jim Kennelly wanted to get a press job in the Schundler mayor office back in 97? : Yep, back in Winter-Spring-Summer of 97 (the-election-without-end) the present and current newly-duly annointed Kounty Konniver slobbered all over himself in the throwaway that nobody in Jersey City reads (As a Doctor friend of mine once remarked to someone seeking free advice, "Something given without charge is, by definition, worthless."). Balancing his checkbook, wordsmith Jim now believed that a credit was due, so the deposit slip got sent off to 280 Grove. Luckily, thankfully, Bret was not his usual decisive self here and held a seance with his top familiar. The sage advice was redered: "As it stands now, you've got almost every wet-powder, woulduv-coulduv-shoulduv, wannabee Napoleon of Hudson County Politics on the payroll now. Don't be greedy, you don't need to corner the market in these characters." So now the Konniver goes back to his grimy keyboard and declares war. From GOD BLESS YOU BRET, the pendulum precipitously swings and every articles rips Schundler, at one point comparing him to the Devil, even. Since the readership hovered about 59, not even reaching room temperature, it seemed pretty futile. But as we see now, the the Old Hudson County Adage is proved yet again: "You can fool all of the people, some of the time; you can fool some of the people all of the time -- AND THAT'S ALL IT TAKES TO GET OVER!!!!" ***************** End Of Article ****************** Butch posted Message 498 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 03, 2003 at 21:46:01 Subject: Re: Cast of thousands I’m strong to the finish..cuz I eat my spinach I’m Popeye the sailor man! Oh by the way…………..Butch is back! nah,nah,nah, In the immortal words of Glenn D. Cunningham….I am rubber you are glue what ever you say bounces off me and sticks to you! ***************** End Of Article ****************** And still going.............................. posted Message 499 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 04, 2003 at 23:04:44 Subject: Cecil B. Demille you are old! Let us do the math...Cecil B. Demille were born in Aug 1881.,,, so that makes you about 122 years old...was is your secret? ***************** End Of Article ****************** You are Sad posted Message 500 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 05, 2003 at 00:31:14 Subject: who's doing the whining? Wow you are obviously un-informed. From what i here it isn't FOL who are trying to stop the concert. All the silly school yard politics (and JC has plenty of that) that are surrounding this event with The Loews caught in the middle is making it seem that its FOL but it isnt. and to say that Fol is fighting to keep it closed is a naive statement at best. Remember FOl is all volunteers and no money is being poured into from the city. FOL, with Its events is bringing people to journal square. I've been to a few events and had dinner before the show at crowed resturaunts with people that are going to the loews. these restaurants are usually empty. more Math for you Pete. More people at events = more money for more events. so quite YOUR whining and support your local area. Its funny that the people who are complaining are the one who dont do anything good for jersey city, much less anything at all. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 501 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 05, 2003 at 13:29:23 Subject: Parolegate continues, Joisey Joinal notwithstanding The JJ has embargoed the ongoing story of the apparent obstruction of justice in the investigation of the State Parole Board. This story appears everywhere throughout the State except here locally which is the seat of power of the Hudson County Democratic Organization and the home of Rep. Robert Menendez and, more importantly, attorney Donald Scarinci. A post referring to and linking to the story by Gannett State House reporter Sandy McClure appeared briefly this morning on the Hudson County forum of nj.com, but was then censored by deletion. Scarinci and Menendez control local politics here in Hudson County and Scarinci's influence extends to the State government as a result of his help in getting McGreevey elected. Scarinci is suspected of using his influence with McGreevey to win a parole for admitted Mafia Capo, Angelo Prisco. Governor James McGreevey's choice for Attorney General, Peter Harvey, acting Attorney General, is charged with the investigation of those alleged irregularites regarding the State's Parole Board. It appears that Scarinci's influence extends, through McGreevey, to acting Attorney General Harvey. In effect, Scarinci may be able to "investigate" himself by proxy. The story follows: http://www.injersey.com/gsbr/story/0,21421,731676,00.html By SANDY MCCLURE GANNETT STATE BUREAU TRENTON -- Employees at the state Parole Board and the Attorney General's Office are talking about how state investigators, who are looking into whether the governor's office was involved in the parole of reputed mobster Angelo Prisco, damaged a computer believed to contain evidence in the case, sources have told the Gannett State Bureau. "They dropped or damaged the (computer) server," one law enforcement source said. "It's either very bad luck or incompetence." When two state investigators picked up the computer server, believed to contain e-mails and other documents related to the case, from the Parole Board the week of April 7, they dropped it into a vehicle so hard that parts flew off, sources said. Investigators reported the following day that nothing could be retrieved from the computer server, sources said. Investigative sources, familiar with the ability of investigators to retrieve information from damaged computers, said if the information that Parole Board personnel believed was on the computer was there, dropping it should not have prevented retrieval of the information. Questions also have been raised about the handling of another source of 2002 Parole Board e-mails potentially critical to the issue of whether the governor's office was involved in the case. The e-mail messages were initially found by investigators on a main frame computer for the Department of Corrections. The e-mail messages were printed out, reviewed by investigators and returned to the Parole Board where they were thrown away by Executive Director Michael Dowling, sources said. When it was discovered that the e-mails could not be obtained again because they had been automatically erased from the main frame computer, investigators were informed that the Parole Board was in possession of an old computer server, believed to contain copies of the e-mails and other documents related to the case, sources said. That's when investigators showed up at the Parole Board for the computer server and dropped it, sources said. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 502 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 05, 2003 at 16:38:19 Subject: Re: Parolegate continues, Joisey Joinal notwithstanding : The JJ has embargoed the ongoing story of the apparent obstruction of justice in the investigation of the State Parole Board. This story appears everywhere throughout the State except here locally which is the seat of power of the Hudson County Democratic Organization and the home of Rep. Robert Menendez and, more importantly, attorney Donald Scarinci. A post referring to and linking to the story by Gannett State House reporter Sandy McClure appeared briefly this morning on the Hudson County forum of nj.com, but was then censored by deletion. : Scarinci and Menendez control local politics here in Hudson County and Scarinci's influence extends to the State government as a result of his help in getting McGreevey elected. Scarinci is suspected of using his influence with McGreevey to win a parole for admitted Mafia Capo, Angelo Prisco. Governor James McGreevey's choice for Attorney General, Peter Harvey, acting Attorney General, is charged with the investigation of those alleged irregularites regarding the State's Parole Board. It appears that Scarinci's influence extends, through McGreevey, to acting Attorney General Harvey. In effect, Scarinci may be able to "investigate" himself by proxy. : The story follows: : http://www.injersey.com/gsbr/story/0,21421,731676,00.html : By SANDY MCCLURE : GANNETT STATE BUREAU : TRENTON -- Employees at the state Parole Board and the Attorney General's Office are talking about how state investigators, who are looking into whether the governor's office was involved in the parole of reputed mobster Angelo Prisco, damaged a computer believed to contain evidence in the case, sources have told the Gannett State Bureau. : "They dropped or damaged the (computer) server," one law enforcement source said. "It's either very bad luck or incompetence." : When two state investigators picked up the computer server, believed to contain e-mails and other documents related to the case, from the Parole Board the week of April 7, they dropped it into a vehicle so hard that parts flew off, sources said. Investigators reported the following day that nothing could be retrieved from the computer server, sources said. : Investigative sources, familiar with the ability of investigators to retrieve information from damaged computers, said if the information that Parole Board personnel believed was on the computer was there, dropping it should not have prevented retrieval of the information. : Questions also have been raised about the handling of another source of 2002 Parole Board e-mails potentially critical to the issue of whether the governor's office was involved in the case. : The e-mail messages were initially found by investigators on a main frame computer for the Department of Corrections. The e-mail messages were printed out, reviewed by investigators and returned to the Parole Board where they were thrown away by Executive Director Michael Dowling, sources said. : When it was discovered that the e-mails could not be obtained again because they had been automatically erased from the main frame computer, investigators were informed that the Parole Board was in possession of an old computer server, believed to contain copies of the e-mails and other documents related to the case, sources said. : That's when investigators showed up at the Parole Board for the computer server and dropped it, sources said. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Militello For State Senate posted Message 503 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 06, 2003 at 16:59:05 Subject: Militello Reports Campaign Cash Doubles Militello Reports Campaign Cash Doubles ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cuz' nobody cares !(About Jim) Now lets talk about the good stuff! posted Message 504 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 06, 2003 at 21:57:42 Subject: Re: Cast of thousands : ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 505 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 07:46:11 Subject: Peter Weiss, Jersey Journal: Foes try to dull mayor's old badge Foes try to dull mayor's old badge Jersey Journal Peter Weiss Wednesday, May 07, 2003 Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham has harvested a lot of political hay from his law enforcement background. He's a retired police captain, a former chief U.S. marshal for New Jersey and a former Hudson County public safety director. He has used the marshal's position, in particular, to promote an image of virtue and honesty. Mention of it, along with a likeness of the marshal's badge, was used in ads during his campaign for mayor and is being used again in his bid for the Democratic nomination for state Senate in the 31st District. Discrediting the lawman image presents a formidable challenge for Cunningham foes, but it doesn't mean they're not trying. . . . ***************** End Of Article ****************** 3for5 posted Message 506 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 10:32:21 Subject: Re: Militello Reports Campaign Cash Doubles They pointedly omit mention from what the war chest doubled. If it's up to $1.98 from .99 cents, then God Bless America! IF he had a little spurt of ticket sales to weenie roasts and the like, well you can figger in on that. Every business that might need a friend is not going to go out of their way to make an enemy on the cheap just to save a couple of hundred. They are going to buy the couple of tickets just to hedger their bets. And he is like a home town guy and everybody is going to be for the soldier with things as they are. But, if the fire hydrants are really opening up for Mr Kindandcourteous here, it's time to break out the magnifying glass. If it's outof town money, then why is that? It could be the Barbara Streisand type just paying for what they like. It could be money just looking to hit Hudson County upside the head, but not caring for Glenn. If the money is for the traditional payforplay crowd here in Hudson County, then, as they don't go to the bathroom without a note from mom, you know that the boyscout got told that the ball is coming his way, just hold out the hand with the glove like it was a big net. Then you can figger that HCDO got uggiewuggie Harvey in on the sly as the punching bag to take the wind out of Glenn's Jersey City vote, but the Bayonne prosecutor is where the hopes and money are sitting. : Militello Reports Campaign Cash Doubles ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Henson posted Message 507 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 11:23:19 Subject: Deja Vu All Over Again? I've been wondering too if we are seeing the Dummies Guide variation on the 2001 JC Mayor's camapaign play book. Manzo was pushed in to split up the white vote. Degise's Kommunication Wizard went railing about what a threat to civilization Glenn Kong was going to be, and all the while Manzo was biting Degise on the rump. This time around we've got Smitty splintering away at the black vote. I'm guessing too, with one black candidate versus one white candiate, they'll be a strong Ward F turnout. With two Arican-Americans, the same voltage level just won't get generated. Spending and extra hour in bed, at work, or in front of the TV is going to be the priority. It all works to the Bayonne guy's advantage. Glenn better learn real fast from Degise's 2001 booboos. Stop wasting time irrigating in the other camp's punch bowl. Cunningham is gonna need every ounce of effort convincing the voters what a bundle of joy he is. : They pointedly omit mention from what the war chest doubled. : If it's up to $1.98 from .99 cents, then God Bless America! IF he had a : little spurt of ticket sales to weenie roasts and the like, well you can : figger in on that. Every business that might need a friend is not going to : go out of their way to make an enemy on the cheap just to save a couple of : hundred. They are going to buy the couple of tickets just to hedger their : bets. And he is like a home town guy and everybody is going to be for : the soldier with things as they are. : But, if the fire hydrants are really opening up for : Mr Kindandcourteous here, it's time to break out the magnifying glass. If : it's outof town money, then why is that? It could be the Barbara Streisand : type just paying for what they like. It could be money just looking to : hit Hudson County upside the head, but not caring for Glenn. : If the money is for the traditional payforplay crowd here in Hudson County, : then, as they don't go to the bathroom without a note from mom, you know : that the boyscout got told that the ball is coming his way, just hold out : the hand with the glove like it was a big net. Then you can figger that HCDO : got uggiewuggie Harvey in on the sly as the punching bag to take the wind out of : Glenn's Jersey City vote, but the Bayonne prosecutor is where the hopes and : money are sitting. : : : Militello Reports Campaign Cash Doubles ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 508 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 12:11:59 Subject: Peter Weiss, Jersey Journal: McGreevey endorses the whole HCDO team McGreevey endorses the whole HCDO team Has words of praise for Menendez as leader Jersey Journal Wednesday, May 07, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal staff writer Declaring the wisdom of keeping a successful team intact, Gov. James E. McGreevey last night gave his endorsement to the Hudson County Democratic Organization candidates for state Legislature, county executive and county clerk. "As governor, I'm saying this is a team that works hard, that works hard for you," McGreevey told a crowd of several hundred at Mercer Park in Bayonne, on the Jersey City border. . . . For the rest of the article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Outraged!!!! posted Message 509 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 12:31:59 Subject: Group is stiffed $5,000 from benefit concert that cost Jersey City $168G Group is stiffed $5,000 from benefit concert that cost Jersey City $168G Wednesday, May 07, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer The Patti LaBelle benefit concert held in Jersey City in January for the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation has so far turned over no money to the charity, Foundation officials said. The Jersey City Board of Education spent nearly $60,000 in federal funds on hundreds of tickets to the show, drawing criticism from some of its own board members. Organizers of the concert, which cost $168,268 to put on, say the charity will soon receive $5,000, but as of yesterday, no check had arrived at the JDRF's East Brunswick office, which was to be the beneficiary of the event. But even that contribution would be just 3 percent of the money raised through ticket sales, corporate sponsorships and donations. By contrast, when the Diabetes Foundation runs its own events - it was not involved in putting on the Patti LaBelle concert - its general guidelines call for contributing no less than 70 percent of the money raised directly to the charity. One member of the Board of Education, former Mayor Anthony Cucci, was sharply critical of school officials for buying 692 tickets - for a total of $58,820 - the day before the twice-delayed Jan. 24 show with money a11ocated by the federally funded Jersey City Employment and Training Program. "My opinion is that we bailed that show out," said Cucci. The event organizer, Arthur Williams, who is the supervisor of the school board's Fifteen Together and PACE Parents Advisory - two programs that focus on at-risk youth and which sponsored the LaBelle show - disputed Cucci's account and denied that the concert was ever in financial trouble. Williams is also chairman of the board of the city Housing Authority, whose Tenant Affairs Board was the concert's other sponsor. Assuming the Diabetes Foundation receives the full $5,000 that Williams says it will, the amount still pales in comparison with the approximately $169,405 the concert raised in ticket sales and donations. According to a 11/2-page balance sheet supplied by Williams: $106,000 went to LaBelle and her management agency; $3,920 for hors d'oeuvres; $1,500 for limousine service; $1,365 for dinner; $6,960 for airfare; $1,850 for "dressing room and amenities" and, $2,300 for rooms at the Hyatt Regency Jersey City, the new luxury hotel on the waterfront. It is unclear whether all of these expenditures were exclusively for LaBelle and her entourage. A written request for comment from LaBelle has not received a response, and her tour manager could not be reached. More than half of the $5,000 that Williams says will go to the JDRF is expected to come from investment firm Goldman Sachs, which is building the state's tallest skyscraper on the Jersey City waterfront. But the $3,250 check the company made out to the Diabetes Foundation and mailed to the event organizer's "committee headquarters," a post office box in Jersey City, was deposited into the account of the event organizer rather than being sent on to the charity. The event organizer is listed on the fundraising letter sent to Goldman Sachs as "The Jersey City Housing Authority/Tenant Affairs Board/Jersey City Public Schools/ "fifteen together"/Pace Parent Advisory. Williams said the account for this joint entity is the one into which the check was deposited. A spokeswoman for Goldman Sachs, Chanda Gibson, said the company made the check out directly to the Diabetes Foundation so it could be considered a charitable donation. She was unaware that the event organizer had deposited the money into its own account, she said, until she realized the funds had been drawn but that the Diabetes Foundation had never received the check. Williams declined to say who endorsed the check for deposit or which bank accepted it, but he called it a "clerical error" and said the check was "inadvertently deposited," but that the money would be sent to the JDRF. An official at the Diabetes Foundation said the charity was told by Williams that the money donated by Goldman Sachs was on its way. Williams declined to answer further questions on the matter. Held at the historic Loew's Jersey Theater in Journal Square, the show was canceled twice - in November and December - before finally coming together on Jan. 24, a day after the school board bought the 692 tickets. That money was part of a $126,000 a11ocation from the Employment and Training Program earmarked for the Fifteen Together and PACE programs. Williams said those tickets were given to students and their parents and that some students - about a half a dozen - served as ushers at the show. According to a letter sent to Superintendent of Schools Charles Epps Jr. by school board Chairman William DeRosa, several board members, including Cucci, have objected to the expenditure. "I don't think this was proper," said Cucci. "We've been taken advantage of, and that means the public has been take advantage of." After he learned about the expenditure several months ago, DeRosa said: "I'm not opposed to field trips . But I think they could have spread the money out so there could be more trips and more student participation." The board was not asked to ratify the ticket purchase until about a month after the show, in late February. Though the board has no authority to withhold funds, board members are generally apprised of planned expenditures before they are made and asked to vote to approve or disapprove them. "We owe the public an explanation in spending that amount of money," Cucci said. "Money that comes from taxpayers all over the country." A spokeswoman for the Board of Education, Joanne Kenny, said Epps and school Business Administrator Joanne Gilman declined to comment. Kenny said the school board itself was not a sponsor of the concert, only the two programs Williams runs. In contracts signed with the theater as well as other written agreements concerning the show, Williams consistently listed 346 Claremont Ave. - the school board's main office - as the address of the event organizer. Ed Santiago, the executive director of the Employment and Training Program, said the $126,000 sent by his organization to the Board of Education was part of an annual a11ocation and that school officials decided to spend almost half of it on the concert. "What they did with that money, that's up to the Board of Education," Santiago said. A spokesman for the state Department of Labor, which controls the Employment and Training Program's funding, said it was "looking into the matter" to determine if buying the concert tickets was an acceptable use of the money. "The standard for expenditures is whether they constitute a necessary and reasonable cost," said the spokesman, Peter Saharko, declining to speculate whether the money for the concert met that standard. Williams said performers of Patti LaBelle's stature cost a lot of money and he reiterated that he intends to send the $5,000 to the charity. "The goal was to raise as much as we could," he said. Ticket prices at the 1,500-seat Loew's ranged from $55 to $125. According to the document provided by Williams, exactly 1,500 tickets were sold, for a total of $126,650. Another $34,005 was raised in donations from unnamed individuals and corporations and $8,750 was generated by corporate "sponsorships," including the mistakenly deposited Goldman Sachs check. The $125 tickets, which provided access to a pre-show ----party, did not include seat assignments, creating confusion when those who bought the most expensive tickets in some cases were unable to sit up front because those seats had already been sold and assigned, said theater director Colin Egan. Williams said the concert was a success, enjoyed by children and adults. "It was a family event for students and their parents," he said. Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, along with Epps, Santiago, City Council President L. Harvey Smith and mayoral political advisers Bobby Jackson and Joseph Cardwell were listed as honorary chairmen. In the contract signed with the Loew's Theater, Williams stated that the Mayor's Office had agreed to arrange security for the show and at one point Cunningham himself took the stage to sing along with Patti LaBelle. A spokesman for the mayor, Stan H. Eason, declined to comment about the event. %%source%%Journal staff writers%%endsource%% Earl Morgan and Jeff Theodore contributed to this report. » Send This Page | » Print This Page Copyright 2003 The Jersey Journal. Used with permission. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Outraged!More Tax $$$$ wasted...how much did we loose on this one! posted Message 510 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 12:38:02 Subject: IRap concert canceled fears of violence cited Rap concert canceled fears of violence cited Wednesday, May 07, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer A controversial concert scheduled for the Loew's Jersey Theater that was to have been co-sponsored by the autonomous Jersey City Employment and Training Program and the city was abruptly canceled yesterday after officials said they were worried that violence would break out. The show, which had drawn the ire of Councilman Steve Lipski of Journal Square and several residents of the area, was billed as a recruitment drive for the federally funded Employment and Training Program, and was to have been headlined by rap performer Fat Joe and the Terror Squad and R&B singer Amerie. A spokesman for Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, who last month sent a letter to the theater manager endorsing the concert and asking that the fees for using the city-owned venue be waived, said yesterday that the city had "intelligence" that two groups of youths involved in a skirmish on Forrest Street Sunday planned to continue fighting at the concert. "They had mentioned the concert, and there was a belief that this would be continued" at the show, said the spokesman, Stan H. Eason. "This one group said something to the effect that they could meet up (at the concert)." At least seven calls were made to the police Sunday afternoon complaining of street fights among large groups, as well as public drinking, on Forrest between Ocean Avenue and Martin Luther King Drive, near where the Martin Luther King Parade was held. No arrests were made in the Forrest Street incidents. "We learned of altercations . along the Martin Luther King Day parade route," said the Rev. Edward Allen, who was to be the concert's promoter. "If what happened Sunday repeats itself, that could be a situation that none of us wants." Allen, a board member of the Hudson County Schools of Technology, does not work for the Employment and Training Program, but his production company, Liberty City, was to put on the show. At a community meeting held last week by Lipski, Allen defended the decision to hold the show at the Loew's, which many of those in attendance opposed because of security concerns. Lipski and several area residents objected to the fact that the concert was to be open only to out-of-school youths between the ages of 16 and 21 and objected to some of the lyrics of Fat Joe songs, which they said are laced with profanities and references to violence. Yesterday, Allen said the decision to cancel the concert, which he said was made by him and Employment and Training Executive Director Edward Santiago, was based entirely on Sunday's events and not on any of the concerns expressed last week. Santiago could not be reached for comment yesterday. The Employment and Training Program, which had committed around $50,000 to putting on the show, has already spent nearly $20,000 on two $7,500 non-refundable payments to the headlining acts and on advertising costs, according to Allen, who said his company would not have made a profit from the show. The Employment and Training Program is funded by the federal Department of Labor and runs programs to help out-of-work youths earn degrees and receive job training. The agency and the mayor had touted the concert as an opportunity to recruit teenagers and young adults into the program. Free tickets were obtained by filling out forms with a name, address and Social Security number. In addition to the concerns about security, some of those who fought to keep the show from taking place had argued that public money earmarked to help the unemployed should not be used to put on a concert. "I'd prefer to see the money used for summer jobs," Council President L. Harvey Smith said last week, before the show was canceled. The Employment and Training Program earlier this year sent $126,000 to two board of education programs for at-risk youth, nearly $60,000 of which was used to buy tickets to a Patti LaBelle concert at the same theater. Asked about both cases, a spokesman for the state Department of Labor, which disburses the federal grants that the agency received, said the department was looking into the matter. The spokesman, Peter Saharko, said there was no guideline specifically prohibiting money from being spent on a concert but the department's standards dictate that funds be spent only on expenditures that "constitute a necessary and reasonable cost." In his April 14 letter to the president of the Friends of the Loew's Theater, which operates the historic venue, Cunningham said the show had his "full support." "The purpose of this event is to bring several notable musical artists to entertain out-of-school youth so (Employment and Training) can recruit them for the many worthwhile projects it has to offer." Allen said Employment and Training had signed up about 800 youths who had planned to attend the concert. Jason Fink can be reached at jfink@jjournal.com » Send This Page | » Print This Page Copyright 2003 The Jersey Journal. Used with ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 511 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 15:50:38 Subject: Senate Candidate/Council President Charged with Assault SENATORIAL CANDIDATE AND JERSEY CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT TO APPEAR IN JERSEY CITY COURT ON SUMMIT AVENUE and NewKirk St. AT 9AM TO ANSWER CHARGES OF ASSAULT FILED BY HOUSING AUTHORITY WORKER ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hello Jay ,remember me? posted Message 512 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 16:49:20 Subject: here we go again........................... Posted by Curious George on April 24, 2003 at 12:42:03: In Reply to: JCPD Complaint file # 2003-00013622-4/23/03-14:45 posted by Jay Stevens on April 24, 2003 at 10:35:23: You have to be kidding. Jay Stevens you seem like an intelligent person.. who is jaded. What is you story? Are they paying you the big bucks, have you a score to settle, what is it? Anyone with a 6th grade education is aware that anyone can file a police report. Filing such report does not give it truth or credibility. A police department must take a complaint if requested. Would you like me site the statures verbatim? “Jay” you will not have to go far to look for lawless behavior…read your own editorials (and I use the term loosely) the lawless actions and schoolyard behavior is in your own. ***************** End Of Article ****************** CG posted Message 513 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 17:33:39 Subject: Jay Stevens has lost it's mind. You have to be the biggest two-faced, phony, egotistical nut in Jersey City. Let us see if this Patti Labelle scandal makes it in you “paper”. You claim to speak the truth, you claim the truth hurts and you only print the truth…...well let us see what you print next week. Will the UTN cover for the thieves that stole the money in the name of charity….or could it be the thieves are you at the UTN. The Labelle thing has Bobby and Joe written all over it! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 514 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 19:28:10 Subject: NJN Video: Governor McGreevey Endorses HCDO Slate To view the video, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** citizenable posted Message 515 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 23:41:30 Subject: Re: Group is stiffed $5,000 from benefit concert that cost Jersey City $168G After reading the story about the Patti LaBelle " benefit " concert in today's Jersey Journal, I feel someone should go to jail for misappropriation of Federal Funds, for irresponsible spending of money that was supposed to be raised for the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, and for false and deceitful advertising about who the concert would benefit. Because a large portion of the money involved is Federal money and because it flows through the State Department of Labor, I assume that both the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey and the State Attorney General will be involved in pursuing justice in this case. What an embarassment for the City of Jersey City, Jersey City's Employment & Training Program, and the Jersey City Board of Education. How can the Jersey City Employment & Training Program have money to spend, either directly or indirectly, on things like this ? So sad and such a waste of taxpayer money. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Thank heaven posted Message 516 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 07, 2003 at 23:44:05 Subject: Re: IRap concert canceled fears of violence cited this concert (& I use the term loosely) was cancelled? I am mad that my tax dollars were being spent on an element that would only attract the dregs of society. I am mad that my tax dollars were being used to lure these dregs to jobs that did not exist. I am mad at us, as a society, that has raised a younger generation that is so devoid of morales, ethics, conscience or initiative that they have to be bribed with the promise of free entertainment just to get them to sign-up for a job (even if it doesn't exist). I am, however, happy that there was enough pressure to have stopped this event from taking place at the beautiful old Loew's. My biggest fear was that these people would leave that concert pumped & ready for who knows what & the Square & surrounding neighborhoods would suffer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 517 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 08, 2003 at 18:35:11 Subject: PoliticsNJ: McGreevey stumps for Hudson organization candidates in Dem primary vs. Cunningham McGreevey stumps for Hudson organization candidates in Dem primary vs. Cunningham By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com BAYONNE, May 6 - Facing a stiff intra-party challenge to their organization's muscle, Hudson County Democrats hauled out the biggest political gun in the state tonight in an effort to prevent an embarrassing primary loss. Gov. James E. McGreevey, who is dogged by low approval ratings in much of the state but who remains popular in Hudson, endorsed the Hudson County Democratic Organization's entire legislative ticket at a rally in Mercer Park in Bayonne. But the setting of the rally told the real reason why the governor was there. Located on the Bayonne-Jersey City line, Mercer Park sits in the heart of the 31st legislative district, site of the most contentious Democratic primary in the state. There, Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham is running against Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith for the State Senate. Cunningham is locked in a bitter feud with the HCDO, which is wary of the power Cunningham stands to accrue if he adds a Senate seat to his resume. . . . For the rest of the article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 518 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 08, 2003 at 18:37:40 Subject: PoliticsNJ: Doria faces stiff challenge in Hudson Dem primary Doria faces stiff challenge in Hudson Dem primary By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com May 5 - The race for State Senate between Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith has been the marquee race this spring in the 31st legislative district. But the district's Democratic primary features an equally intense undercard, with one of the state's most prominent legislators facing an aggressive challenge that may ultimately threaten his political future in his home city. The Assembly race pits incumbent Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria (D-Bayonne), whose 23-year tenure in the Legislature has included stints as Speaker and Assembly Minority and who doubles as the Mayor of Bayonne, and freshman Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli against challengers Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone, a Bayonne councilman, and Louis Manzo, a former Hudson County freeholder and three-time Jersey City mayoral candidate. . . . For the rest of the article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 519 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 08, 2003 at 18:39:35 Subject: PoliticsNJ: Menendez says Cunningham's problem is with 11 Hudson mayors Menendez says Cunningham's problem is with 11 Hudson mayors By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com April 30 - Few political observers would deny that Rep. Robert Menendez (D-Hoboken) is the most powerful elected official in Hudson County. The six-term representative, who is currently the third-ranking Democrat in the House, still wields tremendous influence over the Hudson County Democratic Organization, which practically runs what is an overwhelmingly Democratic county. But with Glenn D. Cunningham, the mayor of the county's largest city and a bitter HCDO foe, making an aggressive bid for state Senate from the 31st district against Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, some see Menendez as more focused on national politics than what's happening in Hudson County. But while the congressman concedes that the 31st district is "ideally suited" for Cunningham, he insists the race shouldn't be viewed as a contest between the two rival Democrats. . . . For the rest of the article, see the Link ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 520 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 09, 2003 at 07:55:38 Subject: Jersey Journal: Smith, accuser pull complaints Smith, accuser pull complaints Handshake and chat keep them out of court Jersey Journal Friday, May 09, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith and the manager of a public housing complex withdrew complaints against one another yesterday in municipal court in connection with a confrontation the two had last month. Darrell Laval, the manager of the Booker T. Washington complex, accused Smith of shoving him and cursing at him on April 23 at the complex, where Smith was campaigning for the state Senate in the 31st District. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 521 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 09, 2003 at 08:36:43 Subject: Peter Weiss, Jersey Journal: Will other shoe be used to kick gov? Will other shoe be used to kick gov? Jersey Journal Friday, May 09, 2003 By Peter Weiss With Gov. James E. McGreevey dropping one shoe by endorsing the candidates backed in the primary by the Hudson County Democratic Organization, can we expect the other side to start stomping him? The first signs of that - literally as well as figuratively - may have been placards held up by supporters of the other side at the governor's endorsement appearance in Bayonne on Tuesday. One sign referred to him as "McSleezy" and others criticized proposed state budget cuts. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 522 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 09, 2003 at 13:07:41 Subject: Diner Politics Video: Vincent Militello, Candidate for the State Senate Vincent Militello, 31st District Candidate for the State Senate Democrat primary appears on the Diner Politics televsion show. To view the video, click the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 523 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 08:36:48 Subject: Reporters' Roundtable, NJN Video: Governor McGreevey Endorses the HCDO Slate Michael Aron (et al.) muses on Governor James E. McGreevey's foray (scurry?) into Hudson County. To view the video, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mark posted Message 524 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 09:35:55 Subject: Tax payers dollars used to defraud charity and the public. STATE ORDERS AUDIT OF CONCERT MONEY Were federal funds spent improperly for LaBelle tickets? Saturday, May 10, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer The state Department of Labor is conducting an audit into the use of federal funds it disbursed that were spent by the Jersey City Board of Education on tickets to a controversial benefit concert held earlier this year. The Jan. 24 Patti LaBelle show, billed as a fund-raiser for the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, has also caught the attention of Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio, who said his office may issue subpoenas for the concert financial records. Information from our Advertisers As first reported in The Jersey Journal, the autonomous Jersey City Employment and Training Program, which is funded by the state with money allocated by the federal Department of Labor, wrote a check for $126,000 to the Board of Education, which then used $58,820 of that money to buy 692 tickets to the Patti LaBelle show the day before the concert. The show, which contributed $5,000 to the Diabetes Foundation out of the $169,405 it raised - roughly 3 percent - was sponsored by a joint entity made up of programs within the Housing Authority and the Board of Education. Peter Saharko, a spokesman for the state Department of Labor, said the state is auditing the use of the federal funds. "We are auditing the expenses," he said. Saharko said the department is trying to determine whether the expenditure met the standard of a "necessary and reasonable cost" that the state applies to the use of the federal funds, which are earmarked for youth services. Three school board members - Chairman William DeRosa, former Mayor Anthony Cucci and Terrence Curran - objected to buying the tickets, as well as to the fact that they weren't asked to vote on the expenditure until a month after the show. The executive director of the Employment and Training Program, Edward Santiago, could not be reached for comment yesterday. He said last week that his organization allocated the money to the Board of Education and that the board decided on its own to buy the tickets. Patti LaBelle's representatives have not responded to requests for comment. The concert's organizer, Arthur Williams, is the chairman of the board of the Housing Authority and the supervisor of two programs - Fifteen Together and the PACE Parent Advisory - that were co-sponsors of the event. Saharko said that if an audit found the funds to have been improperly spent, the state would ask that the money be paid back. If such a request were made and the money was not paid back, he said, further funding could be cut off. Also seeking information about the concert is investment firm Goldman Sachs, which donated $3,250 to the JDRF with the intention of buying tickets for 50 senior citizens. The check that Goldman Sachs wrote was made out to the Diabetes Foundation and sent to the concert's sponsor - a joint entity called "Jersey City Housing Authority/Tenant Affairs Board/"fifteen together"/PACE Parent Advisory" - but it was deposited into the account of the joint entity, which Williams has called a "clerical error." On Tuesday, a volunteer for the JDRF who works for the Board of Education delivered a check for $5,000 to an official from the charity, which Williams said Tuesday included the Goldman Sachs donation. But the fact that the Goldman Sachs check was deposited in the joint entity's account and, according to Williams, endorsed with the name of the joint entity, has raised questions. "We're in the process of trying to get information on the finances and accounts right now," said DeFazio. DeFazio said his office is focusing now on the deposit of the check into the joint entity's account. Williams has declined to provide the name of the bank with which the joint entity had its account and which accepted the Goldman Sachs check made out to the Diabetes Foundation. A spokesman for the charity, Bill Ahern, said his organization is trying to find out if any other individuals or corporations wrote checks to the JDRF that ended up in that account. Williams could not be reached yesterday for comment. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 525 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 10:14:43 Subject: Nightmare Alley A dark and depressing tale of a cheap huckster who starts off with a carnival sideshow. The confidence artist goes on to claim to be a spiritual leader. When one and all realize the truly shabby and tawdry nature of his scheme, the only recourse left for the false prophet is returning to the freak show and begging forgiveness. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Get nj.com should be known as the urban times .com posted Message 526 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 10:51:58 Subject: Anthony you have become ........... Brett alomg with others are not at all happy with your new bed-fellows! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 527 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 11:24:55 Subject: Re: Anthony you have become ........... : Brett alomg with others are not at all happy with your new bed-fellows! We are glad that you are excited over the coming attractions to be featured at the Loew's, our own Movie Palace on Journal Square. Tell your friends. Don't miss it! The full cast of this epic will feature the entire membership of the Hudson County Democratic Organization. A Donald Scarinci Production, featuring guest appearances by Steven Seagal, Gary Busey, Angelo Prisco, and many others. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 528 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 11:34:52 Subject: Re: Anthony you have become ........... : : Brett alomg with others are not at all happy with your new bed-fellows! : We are glad that you are excited over the coming attractions to be featured at the Loew's, our own Movie Palace on Journal Square. BE SURE TO SEE NIGHTMARE ALLEY--NOW PLAYING--LIMITED ENGAGEMENT--LAST 3 WEEKS!!! Tell your friends. Don't miss it! : The full cast of this epic will feature the entire membership of the Hudson County Democratic Organization. A Donald Scarinci Production, featuring guest appearances by Steven Seagal, Gary Busey, Angelo Prisco, and many others. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Trurh Hurts and hurts and hurts and hurts and................... posted Message 529 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 11:45:31 Subject: Re: Anthony you have become ........... The Lowes.......as Patti Labelle , Bobby Jackson, the missing 55,000.00 ahhh yes the Lowes! ***************** End Of Article ****************** It will set you free! posted Message 530 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 11:47:43 Subject: Re: Anthony you have become ........... : : The Lowes.......as Patti Labelle , Bobby Jackson, the missing 55,000.00 ahhh yes the Lowes! And btw Jay Stevens that is how you spell TRUTH UTN style! Get spell check for the UTN. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Da' truth. posted Message 531 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 10, 2003 at 12:22:48 Subject: Jay Stevens meets its match! D'oh! Is there anything Jay Stevens can't do? Even a simple picture turns into a near nuclear meltdown for his bank account when Jay's attempt at the good life goes up in smoke. Now share the irreverent humor of Jersey City most famous toe biting resident in "Kiss da' boyz butt" As Jay stares with disbelief at its own rotten luck , you can almost hear it exclaim, "D'OH!" ....Presented exclusively from its biggest nightmare. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 532 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 11, 2003 at 12:04:47 Subject: Michael Aron, On the Record: 31st District State Senate Democrat Primary Candidates Michael Aron speaks with the Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, and former Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor Vincent Militello concerning the 31st District State Senate Democrat Primary. To hear the complete audio, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 533 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 11, 2003 at 12:52:13 Subject: First Do No Harm Political campaigns, as they do with everything else, throw a spin on the guiding principle of the Hippocratic Oath: first do no harm. Here, candidates and their handlers are not concerned with the public good; what politicians have in mind is their own success – or the consequent subsequent lack thereof. By that yardstick (as there was no loser), we have three winners in this discussion. Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith seemed relaxed and confidant. The Council President's opponents charge him with being unable to speak coherently. They won't find any ammunition in this broadcast. He was articulate in communicating his accomplishments. He portrayed himself as a longstanding independent voice who, at the same time, is able to work within a political environment. Councilman Smith clearly stated his position that Mayor Glenn Cunningham stands isolated. Initially, Glenn Cunningham seemed a bit nervous. He quickly got into gear appearing sure of himself, yet not agressive or egotistical, as his opponents need to prove. He parried the charge that he's isolated himself by contending that he alone has stood up for Jersey City against outside interests. He managed the sole memorable sound bite of the night, quipping that the outsiders were asleep at the wheel and calling up the image of a derailed light rail car. He frequently brought up his career as a Federal Marshall and a police officer. He mentioned his success in maintaining order and offering assistance to New York City in the days following 9/11. (Strangely enough, I don't think that he mentioned his service as a Marine.) Vincent Militello, like Bayonne's Chuck Wepner of boxing fame, had only to go the distance. He accomplished that with ease. He clearly outlined that he was running to offer the public service, not to boost any faction or political machine. And he doesn't see the Bayonne-Jersey City border as any sort of wall in this marathon. As a former Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor, Vincent Militello pointed out that he alone among the candidates. As former(?) gubernatorial candidate Bret Schundler started his political odyssey with close shot at the State Senate, one can't help but wonder for what target Vincent Militello is using this race as a tracer bullet. : Michael Aron speaks with the Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, and former Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor Vincent Militello concerning the 31st District State Senate Democrat Primary. : To hear the complete audio, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 534 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 12, 2003 at 08:39:11 Subject: High Noon At Journal Square And Tommny Smith only had to get in the ring with Muhammad Ali! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 535 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 12, 2003 at 08:45:15 Subject: IT'S THE BOGEYMEN!!! Protecting the rest of Hudson County from the half-man, half-beast bogeymen of Jersey City... ***************** End Of Article ****************** gregbaumgarten posted Message 536 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 12, 2003 at 09:23:37 Subject: Re: First Do No Harm : Political campaigns – as they do with everything else – throw a spin on the guiding principle of the Hippocratic Oath: first do no harm. Here, candidates and their handlers are not concerned with the public good. What politicians have in mind is their own success – or the consequent subsequent lack thereof. : By that yardstick (as there was no loser), we have three winners in this discussion. : Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith seemed relaxed and confidant. The Council President's opponents charge him with being unable to speak coherently. They won't find any ammunition in this broadcast. He was articulate in communicating his accomplishments. He portrayed himself as a longstanding independent voice who, at the same time, is able to work within a political environment. Councilman Smith clearly stated his position that Mayor Glenn Cunningham stands isolated. : : Initially, Glenn Cunningham seemed a bit nervous. He quickly got into gear appearing sure of himself, yet not agressive or egotistical, as his opponents need to prove. He parried the charge that he's isolated himself by contending that he alone has stood up for Jersey City against outside interests. He managed the sole memorable sound bite of the night, quipping that the outsiders were asleep at the wheel and calling up the image of a derailed light rail car. He frequently brought up his career as a Federal Marshall and a police officer. He mentioned his success in maintaining order and offering assistance to New York City in the days following 9/11. (Strangely enough, I don't think that he mentioned his service as a Marine.) : Vincent Militello, like Bayonne's Chuck Wepner of boxing fame, had only to go the distance. He accomplished that with ease. He clearly outlined that he was running to offer the public service, not to boost any faction or political machine. And he doesn't see the Bayonne-Jersey City border as any sort of wall in this marathon. As a former Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor, Vincent Militello pointed out that he alone among the candidates. As former(?) gubernatorial candidate Bret Schundler started his political odyssey with close shot at the State Senate, one can't help but wonder for what target Vincent Militello is using this race as a tracer bullet. Glenn was stiff as a board. He was all me, me me.Harvey was at least relaxed and friendly. As usual Glenn took a cheap shot by bringing up Harvey's son. The up side for Glenn was he didn't get as embarrassed as much as he did in the mayoral debates against Degise. : : : Michael Aron speaks with the Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, and former Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor Vincent Militello concerning the 31st District State Senate Democrat Primary. : : To hear the complete audio, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 537 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 12, 2003 at 18:48:30 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 538 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 12, 2003 at 18:55:11 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 539 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 12, 2003 at 18:59:58 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 540 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 12, 2003 at 19:03:37 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 541 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 13, 2003 at 08:43:08 Subject: Police Director Flyer The flyer reproduced here was posted on every street pole across from the North Precinct on Central Avenue. Perhaps the broadside also appears elsewhere. I've a large number of questions, but no answers. Is it a coincidence that the HCDO posters were posted around the same time? If the timing was intentional, was it in concert with the HCDO? Or is it a separate entitity trying to use a time of turmoil as "high ground" for an attack? Is it a single person (a malcontent as Mafia associates might say) or a group? What are they trying to accomplish? Do they want to show the citiznery that the Police Department is at odds with the Director? If this is the case, a tree was killed for naught. I'd bet that you can count on a rosary the number of residents that know who the Director is. Is somebody (or bodies) trying to drive a wedge between the Police Department and Glenn Cunningham? One thing is for sure: a better honed set of layout and writing skills were used a few years back in the anti-Schundler flyers. Now, does that indicate a different publisher or a lack of practice? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Militello for State Senate posted Message 542 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 13, 2003 at 19:18:32 Subject: Democrat Militello Out Raises Opponents Democrat Militello Out Raises Opponents ***************** End Of Article ****************** hh posted Message 543 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 13, 2003 at 19:42:04 Subject: Re: Anthony you have become ........... : : : : The Lowes.......as Patti Labelle , Bobby Jackson, the missing 55,000.00 ahhh yes the Lowes! : And btw Jay Stevens that is how you spell TRUTH UTN style! Get spell check for the UTN. ***************** End Of Article ****************** What was that quote from Jay Stevens..something about curruption ,.................................................. posted Message 544 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 13, 2003 at 23:18:06 Subject: Moving Lips PoliticsNJ.com - New Jersey's Online Political Network -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, May 13, 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moving lips It's a corny old joke: How do you know BOBBY JACKSON isn't telling the truth? His lips are moving. The sad thing is it's true. Jackson has been a controversial and often disruptive fixture in Jersey City politics for years. He has served as City Council President and as the city's Democratic Municipal Chairman. In a county where people take their politics seriously, few personalities seem to generate as much intensity as discussion of Jackson. Hudson County political observers from the two major factions of the Democratic Party say that Jackson is the one who has created a civil war-like atmosphere in Jersey City. Jackson, many say, is among the most responsible for driving a wedge between Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Jackson seems to have a sort-of svengali effect on the Mayor, who is taking heat for the quality of the company he has chosen to keep. Jackson's latest scam is the Urban Times News, a pseudo-weekly Jersey City-based newspaper that appears to be nothing more than a communications product for the Cunningham administration. The editor is JOSEPH CARDWELL, a Cunningham advisor and Chief of Staff to former Hudson County Executive BERNARD HARTNETT, and the name of Deputy Mayor EUGENE DRAYTON had appeared on the masthead until Jersey Journal political reporter PETER WEISS wrote a story about it. Local political players say that the Urban Times News receives advertising monies from the Jersey City municipal government. The Cardwell publication has an extreme pro-Cunningham bent, and has vilified many Cunningham foes. The favorable treatment Jackson has received appears to have resulted in some lucrative advertising deals. Among the Urban Times News' advertisers are the Jersey City Incinerator Authority, the Jersey City Department of Public Works, the Jersey City Public Library, the Jersey City Housing Authority, the Jersey City Development Corporation, and the Jersey City Economic Development Corporation. Lately, the newspaper has been throwing some fairly astonishing punches at L. HARVEY SMITH, the City Council President who is challenging Cunningham in the Democratic primary for State Senator in the 31st district. Smith has led the fight to ban the city from using municipal revenues to advertise in this publication: the Jersey Journal estimated recently that the city spent about $71,000 on Urban Times News advertising in 2002. The Jersey City Board of Education has already pulled their advertising from the paper, and Smith has pushed the autonomous Office of Employment and Training away from advertising as well. For a brief time, the Urban Times News used the logo of the New Jersey Press Association on its masthead, even though it was not a member. This logo was pulled after the association's attorneys contacted the newspaper. One Jersey City resident recently asked the U.S. Attorney to investigate the use of tax dollars spent on Jackson's publication, alleging that the address listed for the Urban Times News on its masthead, 529 Bergen Avenue in Jersey City, is actually a grocery store that accepts mail on their behalf. A recent Cunningham campaign mailing used 529 Bergen Avenue as a return address. The General Manager of the newspaper is MARTIN JACKSON, the son of Bobby Jackson. Martin Jackson's day job is as a staffer to Cunningham, where he runs websites for the city. The domain name urbantimesnews.com is registered to Martin Jackson at the Miller Branch of the Jersey City Public Library. ALEXANDER BOOTH, the Jersey City Corporation Counsel that Cunningham wants to fire, alleged that Jackson sought support for a illegal no-bid contract for purchasing eighty photocopiers for the city from a campaign donor. "Based upon my own observations, I had concluded that the mayor's closest advisers were using their relationship with him solely for the purpose of personal financial gain," Booth states in the court documents. "I believe this was putting the reputation and viability of the administration in jeopardy." Jackson has denied Booth's charges. Jackson sought to secure a piece of the Journal Square development project several years ago. He and Cardwell wanted $130,000 contract to create and operate a minority contracting oversight system for the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency. After Governor JAMES E. MCGREEVEY took office in 2002, Jackson unsuccessfully sought party support for an appointment to the state Athletic Control Board. Some Democrats allege that under Jackson's stewardship, the Jersey City Democratic Committee, did not file any campaign finance reports with the New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission from January, 2002 through June, 2002, when he was replaced as chairman. Despite not filing any ELEC reports, Jackson and Cunningham continued to raise and expend during that time -- and there have been reports that some of those checks subsequently bounced. Jackson also heads the "Reform Democratic Organization," which never registered or filed with ELEC, but which took out paid advertisements in newspapers and which served as the banner under which Cunningham's county executive nominee ran during the 2002 primary. Jackson's closest political ally is GERALD MCCANN, a former Mayor of Jersey City who was removed from office following a federal criminal conviction in 1992. McCann, now out of prison, has re-emerged on the political scene as a member of Cunningham's inner circle. When McCann served as Hudson County Democratic Chairman more than a decade ago, Jackson, the Jersey City Democratic leader, was his local political lieutenant. Jackson returned as party chairman after Cunningham won in 2001, but was unseated a year later when their candidate for County Executive, Hartnett, got swamped by the organization candidate, former Jersey City Council President and Cunningham mayoral rival THOMAS DEGISE. He was replaced by City Councilman WILLIAM GAUGHAN, who is now the Chief of Staff to DeGise. Jackson didn't even show up for the vote, after losing a large number of County Committee seats in the election. During the 1985 general election, when Republican Governor THOMAS KEAN carried Jersey City, there were allegations that Jackson and McCann worked to suppress voter turnout among African Americans. He also has ties to former Hudson County Executive ROBERT JANISZEWSI, who abruptly resigned his office in mid-2001 and later admitted to taking over $100,000 in bribes during his thirteen years in office; Janiszewski, cooperating with federal prosecutors as he awaits sentencing, is reportedly in a witness protection program. But Jackson wasn't always a Cunningham fan: just before the 1989 mayoral runoff, when Cunningham and McCann were rivals, Jackson told the Jersey Journal that Cunningham is "basically the way he started. He's still very insecure, petty and childish." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 545 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 14, 2003 at 11:09:26 Subject: Peter Weis, Jersey Journal: Senate hopefuls mix it up Senate hopefuls mix it up Jersey Journal Wednesday, May 14, 2003 Peter Weiss It was Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, a career lawman, and City Council President L. Harvey Smith, a career educator, arguing over who has the better experience to become a state senator. Meanwhile, Bayonne attorney Vincent Militello contended that neither of his two opponents has the time. That was the gist of the first, and perhaps only, joint appearance by the three candidates for the Democratic nomination for Senate in the 31st District. They were on NJN's "On the Record." ... For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bayonne Civic Advocate posted Message 546 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 15, 2003 at 11:07:59 Subject: Negative Ad Campaigning- the Public Deserves Better To all "Get NJ.Com" readers, on behalf of Melba Walsh candidate for County Executive, and myself, Councilman Tony Chiappone, candidate for State Assembly, I am posting a page from our newsletter, the Bayonne Civic Advocate. We've been forced to produce our own newspaper in Bayonne as a result of the Bayonne Community New's decision to not accept personal ads and press releases from us (and they call themselves the "Community News". Anyway, we are running with the Column B Democrats along with Glenn Cunningham for Senate, Lou Manzo for Assembly, and Willie Flood for County Clerk. It's an interesting primary in that for the first time in many years, Democratic voter will have a choice in candidates. I can tell you, as an elected official, and a candidate, one of the things that disturbs me most about politics in the necessity for some to attempt making themselves look good by making their opponents look bad. I am of course, referring to negative ad campaigning, and the following article was written with those thoughts in mind. Before I move on to the article, I would invite anyone who wishes to speak with me personally to call me at 201-437-3242 or to email me at achiappone@yahoo.com if you'd like to drop me a line. I thank the host of this website for allowing me the opportunity to post our articles here for you to read. Thanks again. - Tony :) “When the Going Gets Tough, the Weak Get Nasty!”... This was the comment made by Councilman Tony Chiappone in last year’s election when a negative flyer distributed by Team Doria resulted in a huge backlash from the public and backfired. Simply put, stated Chiappone, “The people of Bayonne don’t like mudslinging personal attacks. As in every election, I would hope that all candidates would stick to the issues and conduct themselves with dignity and respect for his or her opponent.” Recent polls done by both Cunningham and Doria camps show Glenn Cunningham ahead of Smith by a wide and comfortable margin in both Jersey City and Bayonne. Obviously, by the look of mailed literature sent to the homes of Bayonne voters, Doria, DeGise, and Smith have decided to use negative mudslinging tactics in an attempt to tear Glenn Cunningham down.” The most recent pieces of attack literature, labeled “When Prisoners Escape, Our Families Are At Risk” attempt to scare the public and blame Glenn Cunningham for attempted breakouts by prisoners in “his” jail. Of course, Glenn Cunningham never owned or even ran the the Hudson County Jail, but because he was a Public Safety Director for Hudson County the ad takes liberty at making a direct connection between him and the contraband found on the prisoners (there’s not a jail other than this one in which prisoners had contraband!) and attempted prisoners escape (hey, that has never happened before in the annals of American prisons!). In any case, take a look at the prisoner in the photo on the left. He or she (with the name “Prisoner” superimposed over the back of his or her shirt) has just blown a huge hole through the prison wall. Now the ad attempts to make you think he or she is climbing the fence to not only to escape, but rather to then attack the kids in the playground. In an inset, a blowtorch, saw, hammer and other tools are shown. Obviously, though equipped with such an arsenal, the “prisoner” doesn’t have a pair of simple wire cutters. In any case, it really doesn’t look as if the person is serious about escaping. In fact, it looks as if he or she is just enjoying the ballgame on the other side of the fence! Finally, the ad doesn’t really tell you who it’s from. In the return address, it says it’s from the Hudson County Democratic Organization. But do people know when they get it that it’s being sent out by Doria, DeGise, Smith and their team? It’s like they are shoveling dirt but don’t want you to know they are holding the shovel! In a way it’s easy to laugh at flyers and mailouts that are so patently ridiculous as to warrant a quick deposit in the trash can. Negative personal ads such as the “Chiappone Mailout” attack leveled by Doria last year (shown in the flyer on the left) are not as easy to brush off. Yes candidates should expect to be attacked and called to task on the issues. But in doing so, let’s not distort the truth. And let’s not get attacking to the point of maliciously dragging into and hurting the families of candidates. As Democrats we have to come together after the primary. Before we get there, let’s treat each other with the respect and dignity we deserve as candidates, and our residents deserve as voters. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Militello for State Senate posted Message 547 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 15, 2003 at 12:34:15 Subject: Militello: Property Taxes Out of Control Militello: Property Taxes Out of Control ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens posted Message 548 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 15, 2003 at 12:36:56 Subject: Uncle Harvey Rises Dramatically in Poles UNCLE HARVEY RISES DRAMATICALLY IN POLES Jay Stevens email: jstevens@urbantimesnews.com …FROM “INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP” Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, aka Uncle Harvey, has recently risen dramatically in the poles according to his own press releases. We believe him. Even if the statement is self-serving, that does not mean that it isn’t true. And we are glad because they could only have gone up. We are not sure if it is possible to have a negative name recognition factor. That would make Harvey the equivalent of a black hole in marketing. Of course Harvey is hoping that we would take that to mean opinion polls. What he really means is utility poles. He has risen sharply. That is mostly due to his recent hiring of very tall campaign workers, particularly Arnold Williams. Because of his great height and reach, Williams is able to affix campaign literature to the poles much higher from the ground than they had been. Williams single-handedly accounts for the reason Harvey has risen so sharply in the poles or on the polls. ***************** End Of Article ****************** B.J. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? posted Message 549 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 15, 2003 at 23:56:32 Subject: Re: Moving Lips : PoliticsNJ.com - New Jersey's Online Political Network : : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : Tuesday, May 13, 2003 : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : Moving lips : : It's a corny old joke: How do you know BOBBY JACKSON isn't telling the truth? His lips are moving. : : The sad thing is it's true. Jackson has been a controversial and often disruptive fixture in Jersey City politics for years. He has served as City Council President and as the city's Democratic Municipal Chairman. In a county where people take their politics seriously, few personalities seem to generate as much intensity as discussion of Jackson. : : Hudson County political observers from the two major factions of the Democratic Party say that Jackson is the one who has created a civil war-like atmosphere in Jersey City. Jackson, many say, is among the most responsible for driving a wedge between Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Jackson seems to have a sort-of svengali effect on the Mayor, who is taking heat for the quality of the company he has chosen to keep. : : Jackson's latest scam is the Urban Times News, a pseudo-weekly Jersey City-based newspaper that appears to be nothing more than a communications product for the Cunningham administration. The editor is JOSEPH CARDWELL, a Cunningham advisor and Chief of Staff to former Hudson County Executive BERNARD HARTNETT, and the name of Deputy Mayor EUGENE DRAYTON had appeared on the masthead until Jersey Journal political reporter PETER WEISS wrote a story about it. Local political players say that the Urban Times News receives advertising monies from the Jersey City municipal government. The Cardwell publication has an extreme pro-Cunningham bent, and has vilified many Cunningham foes. : : The favorable treatment Jackson has received appears to have resulted in some lucrative advertising deals. Among the Urban Times News' advertisers are the Jersey City Incinerator Authority, the Jersey City Department of Public Works, the Jersey City Public Library, the Jersey City Housing Authority, the Jersey City Development Corporation, and the Jersey City Economic Development Corporation. : : Lately, the newspaper has been throwing some fairly astonishing punches at L. HARVEY SMITH, the City Council President who is challenging Cunningham in the Democratic primary for State Senator in the 31st district. Smith has led the fight to ban the city from using municipal revenues to advertise in this publication: the Jersey Journal estimated recently that the city spent about $71,000 on Urban Times News advertising in 2002. The Jersey City Board of Education has already pulled their advertising from the paper, and Smith has pushed the autonomous Office of Employment and Training away from advertising as well. : : For a brief time, the Urban Times News used the logo of the New Jersey Press Association on its masthead, even though it was not a member. This logo was pulled after the association's attorneys contacted the newspaper. : : One Jersey City resident recently asked the U.S. Attorney to investigate the use of tax dollars spent on Jackson's publication, alleging that the address listed for the Urban Times News on its masthead, 529 Bergen Avenue in Jersey City, is actually a grocery store that accepts mail on their behalf. A recent Cunningham campaign mailing used 529 Bergen Avenue as a return address. : : The General Manager of the newspaper is MARTIN JACKSON, the son of Bobby Jackson. Martin Jackson's day job is as a staffer to Cunningham, where he runs websites for the city. The domain name urbantimesnews.com is registered to Martin Jackson at the Miller Branch of the Jersey City Public Library. : : ALEXANDER BOOTH, the Jersey City Corporation Counsel that Cunningham wants to fire, alleged that Jackson sought support for a illegal no-bid contract for purchasing eighty photocopiers for the city from a campaign donor. "Based upon my own observations, I had concluded that the mayor's closest advisers were using their relationship with him solely for the purpose of personal financial gain," Booth states in the court documents. "I believe this was putting the reputation and viability of the administration in jeopardy." Jackson has denied Booth's charges. : : Jackson sought to secure a piece of the Journal Square development project several years ago. He and Cardwell wanted $130,000 contract to create and operate a minority contracting oversight system for the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency. After Governor JAMES E. MCGREEVEY took office in 2002, Jackson unsuccessfully sought party support for an appointment to the state Athletic Control Board. : : Some Democrats allege that under Jackson's stewardship, the Jersey City Democratic Committee, did not file any campaign finance reports with the New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission from January, 2002 through June, 2002, when he was replaced as chairman. Despite not filing any ELEC reports, Jackson and Cunningham continued to raise and expend during that time -- and there have been reports that some of those checks subsequently bounced. Jackson also heads the "Reform Democratic Organization," which never registered or filed with ELEC, but which took out paid advertisements in newspapers and which served as the banner under which Cunningham's county executive nominee ran during the 2002 primary. : Jackson's closest political ally is GERALD MCCANN, a former Mayor of Jersey City who was removed from office following a federal criminal conviction in 1992. McCann, now out of prison, has re-emerged on the political scene as a member of Cunningham's inner circle. When McCann served as Hudson County Democratic Chairman more than a decade ago, Jackson, the Jersey City Democratic leader, was his local political lieutenant. Jackson returned as party chairman after Cunningham won in 2001, but was unseated a year later when their candidate for County Executive, Hartnett, got swamped by the organization candidate, former Jersey City Council President and Cunningham mayoral rival THOMAS DEGISE. He was replaced by City Councilman WILLIAM GAUGHAN, who is now the Chief of Staff to DeGise. Jackson didn't even show up for the vote, after losing a large number of County Committee seats in the election. : : During the 1985 general election, when Republican Governor THOMAS KEAN carried Jersey City, there were allegations that Jackson and McCann worked to suppress voter turnout among African Americans. : : He also has ties to former Hudson County Executive ROBERT JANISZEWSI, who abruptly resigned his office in mid-2001 and later admitted to taking over $100,000 in bribes during his thirteen years in office; Janiszewski, cooperating with federal prosecutors as he awaits sentencing, is reportedly in a witness protection program. : : But Jackson wasn't always a Cunningham fan: just before the 1989 mayoral runoff, when Cunningham and McCann were rivals, Jackson told the Jersey Journal that Cunningham is "basically the way he started. He's still very insecure, petty and childish." : ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Militello for State Senate posted Message 550 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 17, 2003 at 11:14:20 Subject: Job Creation is a Centerpiece for Militello Job Creation is a Centerpiece for Militello ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 551 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 19, 2003 at 12:22:09 Subject: Diner Politics, Laura Jones Interviews 31st District State Senate Candidates On Diner Politics, Laura Jones interviews the 3 candidates in the Democrat primary for the State Senate in the 31st District: ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Militello for State Senate posted Message 552 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 20, 2003 at 07:40:33 Subject: Militello: It’s About Our Economy and Our Children Militello: It’s About Our Economy and Our Children ***************** End Of Article ****************** Putin posted Message 553 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 20, 2003 at 15:04:33 Subject: King's Big Banner I was heading to the skyway and going through the Square up Kennedy Boulevard. I didn't see Jimmy King's big sign out front across from the church there. Does he just put it up over the weekends or did an accident happen? Or maybe he wants to keep out of the spotlight for a while? ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN posted Message 554 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 20, 2003 at 19:16:31 Subject: UNCLE HARVEY'S FUGAZY FINANCE UNCLE HARVEY CAMPAIGN FINANCE RAISES QUESTIONS—MANY WAYS TO SKIN A KITTY Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City—The State of New Jersey provides easy access to campaign finance reports to anyone with a computer, Internet access and a desire to see how things work. A quick review of campaign finance reports filed by candidate L. Harvey Smith raises more than few questions about the propriety of some of the dealings reflected. The candidate uses no less than three different names in the filings making it difficult to understand to whom the entries refer. One particularly puzzling entry is dated April 13, 2002. Check 301 in the list of disbursements incurred by the campaign, in the amount of $2,827.23 is meticulously recorded as paid to Leonard Smith. Unlike every other check written on the list of 63 checks recorded, this one does not specify a purpose. Every other check of the 63 listed specifies a purpose for the use of the funds. Smith could not be reached for comment. Every other check written in the numerous filings, of which this report dated June 6, 2001, is just one, is clearly marked with a purpose for the use of funds. There are nine other reports with hundreds of disbursements, yet this is the only exception lacking a clearly stated purpose. It is equally unclear who Leonard Smith is. L. Harvey Smith is the preferred name of Leonard Harvey Smith, better known as Uncle Harvey, Jersey City Council President. This is the only instance in which Smith refers to himself as Leonard Smith, if indeed that is himself. In person, Smith refers to himself and answers to Harvey. Variously, Smith gives his name as Harvey Smith, L. Harvey Smith, Leonard Harvey Smith, and Leonard H. Smith. The printed name on this same report is Leonard H. Smith, yet the signature very legibly is that of L. Harvey Smith, raising the question, “Who is Leonard Smith, and why is he receiving a check for $2,827.23 from campaign funds with no purpose specified? Elsewhere in the same report, for the same period, filed more than 15 months late, the name L. Harvey Smith appears as recipient of check 340 for $1889.73 with the clear notation “expense.” There are any number of disbursement entries referring to L. Harvey Smith, like check 403 of March 16, 2002 in the amount of 2,035.00 made to the order of L. Harvey Smith. That check made to L. Harvey Smith appears on the campaign finance report received by New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission on April 19, 2002. This check made to the order of L. Harvey Smith for $2,035.00 is for the curious purpose of “Fund raising,” though it decreases and does not increase the balance of the campaign fund. There are also multiple withdrawals of cash from an ATM machine giving at least the appearance that Harvey was using the campaign fund as personal pocket money. Another item raising questions was check 223 written on January 6, 2001, payable to the order of “Friends of Harvey L. Smith” with the notation “Donation.” Check 223 was for the amount of $1,200.00. Clearly, it seems this was a transfer between the accounts of two different campaign organizations, yet it bears the legend “Donation,” raising still more questions. There are many other such puzzling entries but without comment from Smith, it is impossible to understand the financial juggling. Some entries, however are crystal clear. One in particular jumps out at the viewer, being that of Harvey Shapiro. Shapiro’s check number 102 drawn on the account of Piermont Court Inc., no doubt a corporation owned or controlled by the developer, was dated June 1, 1998 and made payable to the order of Friends of Harvey Smith in the amount of $250.00. Smith was head of the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency at the time of the donation and Shapiro was redeveloping a property known now as Whitlock Cordage. An extensive search of campaign finance reports failed to discover any other campaign contributions by the developer to any other city official. Smith is well within his rights to accept contributions from supporters though they may give the appearance of screaming conflicts. But Smith may be guilty of incredibly poor judgment to accept money from a developer who needed Smith’s cooperation to go forward with his development project. Shapiro became a name that causes city officials to recoil in horror until this day at the shenanigans associated with his name. Mostly, Shapiro left the city holding the bag for millions of dollars and could not possibly have done the things he got away with, without the active cooperation and support of council members and others. Another aspect of Smith’s finance is how he has managed to maintain an office on Monticello Avenue with no record of disbursements for rent for that office. The office is in a building owned by a developer Orlando Bru. That question will also remain unanswered as Smith is not available to discuss the matter. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN posted Message 555 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 20, 2003 at 19:23:24 Subject: ONE HAND CLAPPING-LET'S HEAR IT FOR HARVEY! THE SOUND OF ONE HAND CLAPPING That would be the sound and fury of the so-called debate proposed by Uncle Harvey and running mate Fat Joe Doria, and to be hosted by the Bayonne NAACP. Greg Roberts is the head of the Bayonne Chapter of the NAACP, and also happens to be head of the Planning Board. Talk about no-brainers! Both of these guys are no-brainers. All of these guys are no-brainers. We would like to know how to have a debate with one candidate. They wanted to have a debate, only they were not going to invite anybody else! Would you pay to see a boxing match with just one fighter? What about a debate with only one candidate? Not interested? We did not think that you would be. What fun would that be? It would be the sound of one hand clapping, something that Uncle Harvey and Fat Joe should get accustomed to. What a horrible thought we just had. What if they lost? Who would they blame? Who would they accuse of foul play? Word got back to the “other candidate,” Glenn Cunningham. Remember him? He is the Mayor of Jersey City. Cunningham, understandably perplexed, called the Bayonne NAACP and asked how they proposed to have a one-sided debate. Cunningham asked why he was not invited. NAACP representatives told Cunningham graciously that if he wanted to, he could come. Cunningham said thanks, but no thanks, he would not come as he was not invited. Cunningham did also say that he would call the National office of the NAACP and speak to National Chairman Kweisi Mfume just to let him know what the Bayonne chapter was planning. Cunningham has a very close relationship with the National Leadership. Needless to say, the “debate,” was canceled. With that, there was a round of applause, but nobody could hear it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Harold BUD Schmidt Sr. posted Message 556 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 20, 2003 at 23:06:35 Subject: National Maritime Day May 22,2003 I was wondering why your governor didn't issue a Proclamation designating May 22nd as Matitime Day in New Jersey as yet ? After all so many merchant ships were sunk right off the coast of New Jersey. with the loss of so many men that one would think that it was something that would automaticlly be done every year. I urge all your citizens to look through these web sites where they might collect a good piece of history. http://my.tenforward.com/bud/ http://www.homestead.com/usmerchantmarinevets/ http://www.geocities.com/bud_98382/ ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 557 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 10:09:09 Subject: Hudson Senate race in Olivieri's court Hudson Senate race in Olivieri's court By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com JERSEY CITY, May 15 - What happened --or didn't -- before Hudson County Superior Court Judge Thomas P. Olivieri Wednesday has emerged as a key issue in the state's most closely watched Democratic primary. At issue is a suit filed by the HCDO against the Jersey City Reform Democratic Organization (JCRDO) and Jersey City First (JCF), two political action committees loyal to Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. The legal battle is a continuation of the political struggle between Cunningham and his former ally, the Hudson County Democratic Organization (HCDO). . . . For the rest of the article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 558 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 10:10:34 Subject: Ex-prosecutor mounts uphill fight for Hudson County Senate seat Ex-prosecutor mounts uphill fight for Hudson County Senate seat By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com BAYONNE, May 20 - At the turn of the last century, according to legend, a man named John Henry notched a triumph for mankind when he bested a steam drill in a race. But he expended so much energy that he collapsed and died as soon as he reached the finish line. Set at the dawn of the industrial revolution, the story is said to symbolize man's last victory over machine. But now, 100 years later, a former Hudson County assistant prosecutor thinks he can beat two machines -- and emerge from the contest not only with his life intact, but also with a bright future. Vincent Militello, a former Marine who stepped down as an assistant county prosecutor two years ago, is seeking the Democratic nomination for state Senate in the 31st district. His opponents, Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, both enjoy significant organizational support and are running full slates in the June 3 primary. . . . For the rest of the article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GregBaumgarten posted Message 559 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 16:32:15 Subject: Re: ONE HAND CLAPPING-LET'S HEAR IT FOR HARVEY! : THE SOUND OF ONE HAND CLAPPING Is this the same Glenn Cunningham who ducked debating Tom DeGise during the mayoral race? I watched Tom debate an empty chair at the Casino In the Park.The chair did better than Glenn did at previous debates. : That would be the sound and fury of the so-called debate proposed by Uncle Harvey and running mate Fat Joe Doria, and to be hosted by the Bayonne NAACP. Greg Roberts is the head of the Bayonne Chapter of the NAACP, and also happens to be head of the Planning Board. Talk about no-brainers! Both of these guys are no-brainers. All of these guys are no-brainers. We would like to know how to have a debate with one candidate. They wanted to have a debate, only they were not going to invite anybody else! Would you pay to see a boxing match with just one fighter? What about a debate with only one candidate? Not interested? We did not think that you would be. What fun would that be? It would be the sound of one hand clapping, something that Uncle Harvey and Fat Joe should get accustomed to. What a horrible thought we just had. What if they lost? Who would they blame? Who would they accuse of foul play? : Word got back to the “other candidate,” Glenn Cunningham. Remember him? He is the Mayor of Jersey City. Cunningham, understandably perplexed, called the Bayonne NAACP and asked how they proposed to have a one-sided debate. Cunningham asked why he was not invited. NAACP representatives told Cunningham graciously that if he wanted to, he could come. Cunningham said thanks, but no thanks, he would not come as he was not invited. Cunningham did also say that he would call the National office of the NAACP and speak to National Chairman Kweisi Mfume just to let him know what the Bayonne chapter was planning. Cunningham has a very close relationship with the National Leadership. Needless to say, the “debate,” was canceled. With that, there was a round of applause, but nobody could hear it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GregBaumgarten posted Message 560 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 16:48:43 Subject: Glazer the Dirt Bag In all the sleaziness of Jersey City politics this guy is the lowest of the low. What exactly is out of bounds? Poking fun at a guy when his son dies? Not to Glazer. Speculating that a young woman is pregnant and who the father is. How many illegitimate kids has Glenn had? Even the likes of McCann knew that family was off limits but not this piece of crap. What goes around comes around and its coming real soon real hard you punk. ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOL posted Message 561 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 17:14:20 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag I could not have said it better....well done!.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** mickey d posted Message 562 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 17:16:27 Subject: Bobby Jackson and theUTN Jersey City Guide Posted by What was that quote from Jay Stevens..something about curruption ,.................................................. on May 13, 2003 at 23:18:06: PoliticsNJ.com - New Jersey's Online Political Network -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, May 13, 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moving lips It's a corny old joke: How do you know BOBBY JACKSON isn't telling the truth? His lips are moving. The sad thing is it's true. Jackson has been a controversial and often disruptive fixture in Jersey City politics for years. He has served as City Council President and as the city's Democratic Municipal Chairman. In a county where people take their politics seriously, few personalities seem to generate as much intensity as discussion of Jackson. Hudson County political observers from the two major factions of the Democratic Party say that Jackson is the one who has created a civil war-like atmosphere in Jersey City. Jackson, many say, is among the most responsible for driving a wedge between Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Jackson seems to have a sort-of svengali effect on the Mayor, who is taking heat for the quality of the company he has chosen to keep. Jackson's latest scam is the Urban Times News, a pseudo-weekly Jersey City-based newspaper that appears to be nothing more than a communications product for the Cunningham administration. The editor is JOSEPH CARDWELL, a Cunningham advisor and Chief of Staff to former Hudson County Executive BERNARD HARTNETT, and the name of Deputy Mayor EUGENE DRAYTON had appeared on the masthead until Jersey Journal political reporter PETER WEISS wrote a story about it. Local political players say that the Urban Times News receives advertising monies from the Jersey City municipal government. The Cardwell publication has an extreme pro-Cunningham bent, and has vilified many Cunningham foes. The favorable treatment Jackson has received appears to have resulted in some lucrative advertising deals. Among the Urban Times News' advertisers are the Jersey City Incinerator Authority, the Jersey City Department of Public Works, the Jersey City Public Library, the Jersey City Housing Authority, the Jersey City Development Corporation, and the Jersey City Economic Development Corporation. Lately, the newspaper has been throwing some fairly astonishing punches at L. HARVEY SMITH, the City Council President who is challenging Cunningham in the Democratic primary for State Senator in the 31st district. Smith has led the fight to ban the city from using municipal revenues to advertise in this publication: the Jersey Journal estimated recently that the city spent about $71,000 on Urban Times News advertising in 2002. The Jersey City Board of Education has already pulled their advertising from the paper, and Smith has pushed the autonomous Office of Employment and Training away from advertising as well. For a brief time, the Urban Times News used the logo of the New Jersey Press Association on its masthead, even though it was not a member. This logo was pulled after the association's attorneys contacted the newspaper. One Jersey City resident recently asked the U.S. Attorney to investigate the use of tax dollars spent on Jackson's publication, alleging that the address listed for the Urban Times News on its masthead, 529 Bergen Avenue in Jersey City, is actually a grocery store that accepts mail on their behalf. A recent Cunningham campaign mailing used 529 Bergen Avenue as a return address. The General Manager of the newspaper is MARTIN JACKSON, the son of Bobby Jackson. Martin Jackson's day job is as a staffer to Cunningham, where he runs websites for the city. The domain name urbantimesnews.com is registered to Martin Jackson at the Miller Branch of the Jersey City Public Library. ALEXANDER BOOTH, the Jersey City Corporation Counsel that Cunningham wants to fire, alleged that Jackson sought support for a illegal no-bid contract for purchasing eighty photocopiers for the city from a campaign donor. "Based upon my own observations, I had concluded that the mayor's closest advisers were using their relationship with him solely for the purpose of personal financial gain," Booth states in the court documents. "I believe this was putting the reputation and viability of the administration in jeopardy." Jackson has denied Booth's charges. Jackson sought to secure a piece of the Journal Square development project several years ago. He and Cardwell wanted $130,000 contract to create and operate a minority contracting oversight system for the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency. After Governor JAMES E. MCGREEVEY took office in 2002, Jackson unsuccessfully sought party support for an appointment to the state Athletic Control Board. Some Democrats allege that under Jackson's stewardship, the Jersey City Democratic Committee, did not file any campaign finance reports with the New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission from January, 2002 through June, 2002, when he was replaced as chairman. Despite not filing any ELEC reports, Jackson and Cunningham continued to raise and expend during that time -- and there have been reports that some of those checks subsequently bounced. Jackson also heads the "Reform Democratic Organization," which never registered or filed with ELEC, but which took out paid advertisements in newspapers and which served as the banner under which Cunningham's county executive nominee ran during the 2002 primary. Jackson's closest political ally is GERALD MCCANN, a former Mayor of Jersey City who was removed from office following a federal criminal conviction in 1992. McCann, now out of prison, has re-emerged on the political scene as a member of Cunningham's inner circle. When McCann served as Hudson County Democratic Chairman more than a decade ago, Jackson, the Jersey City Democratic leader, was his local political lieutenant. Jackson returned as party chairman after Cunningham won in 2001, but was unseated a year later when their candidate for County Executive, Hartnett, got swamped by the organization candidate, former Jersey City Council President and Cunningham mayoral rival THOMAS DEGISE. He was replaced by City Councilman WILLIAM GAUGHAN, who is now the Chief of Staff to DeGise. Jackson didn't even show up for the vote, after losing a large number of County Committee seats in the election. During the 1985 general election, when Republican Governor THOMAS KEAN carried Jersey City, there were allegations that Jackson and McCann worked to suppress voter turnout among African Americans. He also has ties to former Hudson County Executive ROBERT JANISZEWSI, who abruptly resigned his office in mid-2001 and later admitted to taking over $100,000 in bribes during his thirteen years in office; Janiszewski, cooperating with federal prosecutors as he awaits sentencing, is reportedly in a witness protection program. But Jackson wasn't always a Cunningham fan: just before the 1989 mayoral runoff, when Cunningham and McCann were rivals, Jackson told the Jersey Journal that Cunningham is "basically the way he started. He's still very insecure, petty and childish." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 563 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 17:51:13 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag : I could not have said it better....well done!.... Thank you for reading The Urban Times News. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 1 way to use the UTN posted Message 564 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 19:49:33 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag I get the Urban Times every Saturday, I use it to line my bird cage and cat litter box...how useful it is! Thanks BJ ***************** End Of Article ****************** EliasHowe posted Message 565 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 21, 2003 at 23:31:19 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag : In all the sleaziness of Jersey City politics this guy is the lowest of the low. What exactly is out of bounds? Poking fun at a guy when his son dies? Not to Glazer. Speculating that a young woman is pregnant and who the father is. How many illegitimate kids has Glenn had? Even the likes of McCann knew that family was off limits but not this piece of crap. What goes around comes around and its coming real soon real hard you punk. What a way to make a living. Being Bobby Jackson's lackey. Bobby is a lackey himself and Glazer is his butt boy. His little white boy toy. I'm one of the whites in this town who voted for Glenn and I deeply regret it. The fact that he allows no talent low lifes like you to polarize this city is a mark of his inferior leadership abilities and a sub-par intellect.Explain to us what makes a man into a hoe.does the name David Dinkins ring a bell? And Steve, do you have the nerve to Harvey, "Uncle Harvey" to his face? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Elijah posted Message 566 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 08:17:56 Subject: Menendez started off by biting the Union City mayors hand Menendez started off by biting the Union City mayors hand that brought him up. With this as the fact, you want him to get respected? : In all the sleaziness of Jersey City politics this guy is the lowest of the low. What exactly is out of bounds? Poking fun at a guy when his son dies? Not to Glazer. Speculating that a young woman is pregnant and who the father is. How many illegitimate kids has Glenn had? Even the likes of McCann knew that family was off limits but not this piece of crap. What goes around comes around and its coming real soon real hard you punk. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ELIJAH posted Message 567 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 08:24:49 Subject: real WHITE POODLE!!! Your white alright a real WHITE POODLE!!! North Hudson tugged your leash one way and you went and yipyipped all the way to cast your vote for Glenn. Now North Hudson pulls your leash the other way and Degise is your all time hero. Might as well turn the light on in your attack now. There was never any smart guys. All the seeming smartaleky fellows was in on the CLUB FED!!!! That leash of yours is going to get cut loose. : : In all the sleaziness of Jersey City politics this guy is the lowest of the low. What exactly is out of bounds? Poking fun at a guy when his son dies? Not to Glazer. Speculating that a young woman is pregnant and who the father is. How many illegitimate kids has Glenn had? Even the likes of McCann knew that family was off limits but not this piece of crap. What goes around comes around and its coming real soon real hard you punk. : What a way to make a living. Being Bobby Jackson's lackey. Bobby is a lackey himself and Glazer is his butt boy. His little white boy toy. I'm one of the whites in this town who voted for Glenn and I deeply regret it. The fact that he allows no talent low lifes like you to polarize this city is a mark of his inferior leadership abilities and a sub-par intellect.Explain to us what makes a man into a hoe.does the name David Dinkins ring a bell? And Steve, do you have the nerve to Harvey, "Uncle Harvey" to his face? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Huh? posted Message 568 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 09:39:02 Subject: Elijah to attend "no child left beind" :Elijah, follow along...the subject is............see spot run,run spot run. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Those darn sticky keys. posted Message 569 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 09:40:20 Subject: Re: Elijah to attend "no child left behind" : :Elijah, follow along...the subject is............see spot run,run spot run. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 570 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 09:52:05 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board! Welcome to the Message Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** The shoe for you posted Message 571 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 10:20:34 Subject: FAT CAT is a ALLEY CAT! When you all is eating up the free lunch and getting the drinks you think that nobody hears you laughing about how your big guy has GOT SOMETHING GOING AT EVERY EXIT OFF OF 95 BETWEEN HERE AND DC. Put that out for the public to make up their minds if they like the sound of it or not. : In all the sleaziness of Jersey City politics this guy is the lowest of the low. What exactly is out of bounds? Poking fun at a guy when his son dies? Not to Glazer. Speculating that a young woman is pregnant and who the father is. How many illegitimate kids has Glenn had? Even the likes of McCann knew that family was off limits but not this piece of crap. What goes around comes around and its coming real soon real hard you punk. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HUH ? posted Message 572 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 12:06:20 Subject: Now in English Please! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Militello for State Senate posted Message 573 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 13:59:35 Subject: Education Reform Cornerstone of Campaign Education Reform Cornerstone of Campaign ***************** End Of Article ****************** 3for5 posted Message 574 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 18:05:37 Subject: Let me get this straight... Harvey Smith's campaign platform is that he doesn't have a mind of his own and is ready to do as he's told? The spring-fresh blast of honesty is overwhelming! ***************** End Of Article ****************** DAH! posted Message 575 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 19:17:24 Subject: Re: Let me get this straight... Let me get this straight.... Glenn D Cunningham should have just said no years ago. Your post is as stupid as mine! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tell us, why no Lowes/LaBelle story in the UTN? posted Message 576 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 22, 2003 at 20:22:17 Subject: CG :Lets see how Glazer/Stevens answers this one.....or will they ignore the question. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 577 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 07:44:46 Subject: Cunningham's view: Jersey City doing fine Cunningham's view: Jersey City doing fine 'Revival continues' blames foes for aid loss Jersey Journal Friday, May 23, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer Midway through his four-year term as Jersey City mayor - and less than two weeks before a primary election for state Senate that pits him against Hudson County's powerful Democratic Party - Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham declared the state of the city strong despite a bleak financial outlook on the state and national levels and the ever-present threat of terrorism. Lauding his administration's success in keeping property tax rates steady over two years, praising the police force for making thousands of drug arrests and pointing to several construction projects in various parts of the city as evidence of continued activity despite the economic downturn, Cunningham delivered his second state of the city address to a crowd of about 350 supporters and administration officials at New Jersey City University Wednesday night. Come July 1, Cunningham will have been in office two years. Reiterating his campaign theme of extending the prosperity of the waterfront to the rest of the city, Cunningham's hourlong speech focused heavily on quality-of-life issues and the city's financial condition. For the rest of the article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** North Bergen#1 posted Message 578 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 08:19:09 Subject: Clue me in! I know that all of us good people of North Bergen were told that in order to keep the classless lowlifes of Jersey City down we have to login in onto this web page and put up a message on how we was mad about Cunningham going and trying to run a concert at the Lowe's®. But what I can't figger out for the life of me is how was Cunningham gonna run a concert at that Lowe's® Home Improvement® store down there on Tonnelle Ave.? Was they gonna hold it in the parking lot or waht? One of the other North Bergen people that was told to post messages please set me straight. I don't want to mess up and get called onto the carpet with Nicky yelling at me for doing wrong. I'm putting in a lot of effort here cause I'm bringing over a cousin and I need to get him fixed up with steady work. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Greg Baumgarten posted Message 579 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 08:19:17 Subject: Re: Now in English Please! You gotta a problem with ebonics you racist slime. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Brian Dork posted Message 580 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 08:23:39 Subject: Re: Clue me in! : I know that all of us good people of North Bergen were told that in order to keep the classless lowlifes of Jersey City down we have to login in onto this web page and put up a message on how we was mad about Cunningham going and trying to run a concert at the Lowe's®. But what I can't figger out for the life of me is how was Cunningham gonna run a concert at that Lowe's® : Home Improvement® store down there on Tonnelle Ave.? Was they gonna hold it in the parking lot or waht? So how did you and Bo do in the election a few weeks ago? : One of the other North Bergen people that was told to post messages please set me straight. I don't want to mess up and get called onto the carpet with Nicky yelling at me for doing wrong. I'm putting in a lot of effort here cause I'm bringing over a cousin and I need to get him fixed up with steady work. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Brian Dork posted Message 581 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 08:29:47 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag : : I could not have said it better....well done!.... : Thank you for reading The Urban Times News. Hey Glazer,you punk. Cat got your tongue. Answer the question. Got the onions to call Harvey, "uncle Harvey" to his face? Or are just A Bobby Jackson butt boy hiding behind a computer. Stand up once in your life and be a man. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ExposeTHEDONALD posted Message 582 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 08:46:20 Subject: Re: Bobby Jackson and theUTN THERE FOLLOWING ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN BY DONALD SCARINCI AND APPEARED ON SCARINCI'S WEBSITE POLITICSNJ.COM : Jersey City Guide : Posted by What was that quote from Jay Stevens..something about curruption ,.................................................. on May 13, 2003 at 23:18:06: : PoliticsNJ.com - New Jersey's Online Political Network : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Tuesday, May 13, 2003 : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Moving lips : : It's a corny old joke: How do you know BOBBY JACKSON isn't telling the truth? His lips are moving. : : The sad thing is it's true. Jackson has been a controversial and often disruptive fixture in Jersey City politics for years. He has served as City Council President and as the city's Democratic Municipal Chairman. In a county where people take their politics seriously, few personalities seem to generate as much intensity as discussion of Jackson. : : Hudson County political observers from the two major factions of the Democratic Party say that Jackson is the one who has created a civil war-like atmosphere in Jersey City. Jackson, many say, is among the most responsible for driving a wedge between Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Jackson seems to have a sort-of svengali effect on the Mayor, who is taking heat for the quality of the company he has chosen to keep. : : Jackson's latest scam is the Urban Times News, a pseudo-weekly Jersey City-based newspaper that appears to be nothing more than a communications product for the Cunningham administration. The editor is JOSEPH CARDWELL, a Cunningham advisor and Chief of Staff to former Hudson County Executive BERNARD HARTNETT, and the name of Deputy Mayor EUGENE DRAYTON had appeared on the masthead until Jersey Journal political reporter PETER WEISS wrote a story about it. Local political players say that the Urban Times News receives advertising monies from the Jersey City municipal government. The Cardwell publication has an extreme pro-Cunningham bent, and has vilified many Cunningham foes. : : The favorable treatment Jackson has received appears to have resulted in some lucrative advertising deals. Among the Urban Times News' advertisers are the Jersey City Incinerator Authority, the Jersey City Department of Public Works, the Jersey City Public Library, the Jersey City Housing Authority, the Jersey City Development Corporation, and the Jersey City Economic Development Corporation. : : Lately, the newspaper has been throwing some fairly astonishing punches at L. HARVEY SMITH, the City Council President who is challenging Cunningham in the Democratic primary for State Senator in the 31st district. Smith has led the fight to ban the city from using municipal revenues to advertise in this publication: the Jersey Journal estimated recently that the city spent about $71,000 on Urban Times News advertising in 2002. The Jersey City Board of Education has already pulled their advertising from the paper, and Smith has pushed the autonomous Office of Employment and Training away from advertising as well. : : For a brief time, the Urban Times News used the logo of the New Jersey Press Association on its masthead, even though it was not a member. This logo was pulled after the association's attorneys contacted the newspaper. : : One Jersey City resident recently asked the U.S. Attorney to investigate the use of tax dollars spent on Jackson's publication, alleging that the address listed for the Urban Times News on its masthead, 529 Bergen Avenue in Jersey City, is actually a grocery store that accepts mail on their behalf. A recent Cunningham campaign mailing used 529 Bergen Avenue as a return address. : : The General Manager of the newspaper is MARTIN JACKSON, the son of Bobby Jackson. Martin Jackson's day job is as a staffer to Cunningham, where he runs websites for the city. The domain name urbantimesnews.com is registered to Martin Jackson at the Miller Branch of the Jersey City Public Library. : : ALEXANDER BOOTH, the Jersey City Corporation Counsel that Cunningham wants to fire, alleged that Jackson sought support for a illegal no-bid contract for purchasing eighty photocopiers for the city from a campaign donor. "Based upon my own observations, I had concluded that the mayor's closest advisers were using their relationship with him solely for the purpose of personal financial gain," Booth states in the court documents. "I believe this was putting the reputation and viability of the administration in jeopardy." Jackson has denied Booth's charges. : : Jackson sought to secure a piece of the Journal Square development project several years ago. He and Cardwell wanted $130,000 contract to create and operate a minority contracting oversight system for the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency. After Governor JAMES E. MCGREEVEY took office in 2002, Jackson unsuccessfully sought party support for an appointment to the state Athletic Control Board. : : Some Democrats allege that under Jackson's stewardship, the Jersey City Democratic Committee, did not file any campaign finance reports with the New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission from January, 2002 through June, 2002, when he was replaced as chairman. Despite not filing any ELEC reports, Jackson and Cunningham continued to raise and expend during that time -- and there have been reports that some of those checks subsequently bounced. Jackson also heads the "Reform Democratic Organization," which never registered or filed with ELEC, but which took out paid advertisements in newspapers and which served as the banner under which Cunningham's county executive nominee ran during the 2002 primary. : Jackson's closest political ally is GERALD MCCANN, a former Mayor of Jersey City who was removed from office following a federal criminal conviction in 1992. McCann, now out of prison, has re-emerged on the political scene as a member of Cunningham's inner circle. When McCann served as Hudson County Democratic Chairman more than a decade ago, Jackson, the Jersey City Democratic leader, was his local political lieutenant. Jackson returned as party chairman after Cunningham won in 2001, but was unseated a year later when their candidate for County Executive, Hartnett, got swamped by the organization candidate, former Jersey City Council President and Cunningham mayoral rival THOMAS DEGISE. He was replaced by City Councilman WILLIAM GAUGHAN, who is now the Chief of Staff to DeGise. Jackson didn't even show up for the vote, after losing a large number of County Committee seats in the election. : : During the 1985 general election, when Republican Governor THOMAS KEAN carried Jersey City, there were allegations that Jackson and McCann worked to suppress voter turnout among African Americans. : : He also has ties to former Hudson County Executive ROBERT JANISZEWSI, who abruptly resigned his office in mid-2001 and later admitted to taking over $100,000 in bribes during his thirteen years in office; Janiszewski, cooperating with federal prosecutors as he awaits sentencing, is reportedly in a witness protection program. : : But Jackson wasn't always a Cunningham fan: just before the 1989 mayoral runoff, when Cunningham and McCann were rivals, Jackson told the Jersey Journal that Cunningham is "basically the way he started. He's still very insecure, petty and childish." : ***************** End Of Article ****************** I tell da truth! posted Message 583 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 11:21:01 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag He is standing up.....he is just very short. And I mean this about all of his short comings. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN posted Message 584 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 14:42:25 Subject: CUNNINGHAM SEEKS FREEZE ON HCDO FUNDS CUNNINGHAM ASKS COURT TO FREEZE HCDO ACCOUNTS UTN NEWS -email: stories@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City—A hearing is set for Tuesday May 27 in Superior Court in a suit by Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham to freeze the accounts of the Hudson County Democratic Organization and its candidates for illegal campaign funding. Attorneys for Cunningham said that the HCDO has illegally contributed $158, 275. 82 to the campaigns of candidates Harvey Smith, Janet Hayes, Elba Perez Cinciarelli, and Joseph Doria. This, say the attorneys, is according to documents filed by the HCDO itself as of about May 5, being 29 days prior to the election. Since then, the candidates have spent additional hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertising, campaign literature and campaign functions. “NJSA 19:34-52 states that no state, county, or municipal committee shall, prior to any primary election endorse the candidacy of any candidate for party nomination. The courts have interpreted this to mean no endorsement by the party or contribution of dollars by party. In reviewing the online reports filed by the candidates, only Doria has raised any money independently. Harvey Smith is clearly bought and paid for 100% owned outright, being given his entire war chest and campaign expense. I expect that we will prevail to freeze the accounts of the HCDO to prevent any further illegal acts,” said attorneys for Cunningham. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The whole truth and nothing but the truth....... posted Message 585 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 23, 2003 at 22:02:28 Subject: Re: Bobby Jackson and theUTN : : : : Please do tell...Name one item in this column that is not factual! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 586 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 24, 2003 at 08:12:05 Subject: Jersey Journal: Claim of retaliation for not buying ticket Claim of retaliation for not buying ticket JCPA part-timer's allegations stir probes Jersey Journal Saturday, May 24, 2003 By Earl Morgan Journal staff writer A part-time employee for the Jersey City Parking Authority said his job description and hours were changed for the worse after he refused to contribute to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham's state Senate campaign, and that other employees were being pressured to buy and sell tickets to fund-raising dinners. Both the Mayor's Office and the Jersey City City Council say they'll investigate allegations made at two public meetings this month by Pat O'Melia, who was hired by the JCPA in December for $30,000 a year to do part-time "community outreach and public relations" work. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 587 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 24, 2003 at 08:16:51 Subject: Jersey Journal: School board fight resumes School board fight resumes Jersey Journal Saturday, May 24, 2003 Peter Weiss Another attempt by the Hudson County Democratic Organization to wrest control of the Schools of Technology board of trustees from supporters of Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham may take place later this month. A bill that would expand the board of trustees from seven to nine members has been kicking around the Legislature for months. It was supposed to have been voted on this week, but it is being held up by Republicans in the Senate. It is now slated for a May 29 vote . . . For the complete piece, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Henson posted Message 588 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 24, 2003 at 10:10:35 Subject: Re: Jersey Journal: Claim of retaliation for not buying ticket Golly, I sure hope that big Jim didn't try to make Pat do any work just 'cause Pat wouldn't by a ticket. . . You are supposed to wait until after the election before fluffing up the wisenheimers! : Claim of retaliation for not buying ticket : JCPA part-timer's allegations stir probes : Jersey Journal : Saturday, May 24, 2003 : By Earl Morgan : Journal staff writer : A part-time employee for the Jersey City Parking Authority said his job description and hours were changed for the worse after he refused to contribute to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham's state Senate campaign, and that other employees were being pressured to buy and sell tickets to fund-raising dinners. : Both the Mayor's Office and the Jersey City City Council say they'll investigate allegations made at two public meetings this month by Pat O'Melia, who was hired by the JCPA in December for $30,000 a year to do part-time "community outreach and public relations" work. : . . . : For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ParoleGate posted Message 589 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 25, 2003 at 22:55:45 Subject: Offense Boss Menendez's Only Defense Offense is Boss Menendez's Only Defense ! Isn't it ironic that Attorney Donald Scarinci is paying for FULL PAGE ads in the Jersey Journal trying to blame Glenn for the Concert Scam. In particular TRYING TO link the Mayor to "Gangsta" Entertainer Rappers. WHAT A JOKE !! This is the same Donald Scarinci (Boss Menendez's Best Friend) who is under Federal Investigation for influencing the Parole Board so that a Mafia Capo could get out of prison. THATS A REAL GANGSTER THAT DONALD HELP GET OUT OF PRISON - Not a rapper. TALK ABOUT SCAMS - Menendez & Scarinci wrote the book. A vote for Harvey is a vote for Scarinci & Menendez. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Militello for State Senate posted Message 590 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 27, 2003 at 10:25:35 Subject: Militello: Any Time, Any Place? Militello: Any Time, Any Place? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 591 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 27, 2003 at 18:08:10 Subject: CUNNINGHAM VINDICATED IN ELECTION FUND SUIT CUNNINGHAM VINDICATED IN ELECTION FUND SUIT Steven Glazer–email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City—Superior Court Judge Thomas Olivieri handed Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham an easy victory over opponent L. Harvey Smith in a suit brought on Smith’s behalf by the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Olivieri totally dismissed claims by Smith against Cunningham for Senate and against Team Cunningham as unsupported by evidence. Olivieri concluded that Smith failed to show sufficient evidence relating to any irregularities of campaign finance by Cunningham’s organization at any time in the last two years. “This was the type of last resort tactic of a desperate man,” said attorneys for Cunningham of Smith’s suit. Cunningham’s attorneys are preparing suit against Smith and other HCDO candidates that will be filed shortly for campaign finance violations. Olivieri refused to hear a request for an immediate injunction in that action so Cunningham’s legal team will file with the court’s law division. That action charges that the HCDO has illegally contributed $158, 275. 82 to the campaigns of candidates Harvey Smith, Janet Hayes, Elba Perez Cinciarelli, and Joseph Doria, This, say the attorneys, is according to documents filed by the HCDO itself as of about May 5, being 29 days prior to the election. Since then, the candidates have spent additional hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertising, campaign literature and campaign functions. “NJSA 19:34-52 states that no state, county, or municipal committee shall, prior to any primary election endorse the candidacy of any candidate for party nomination. The courts have interpreted this to mean no endorsement by the party or contribution of dollars by party. In reviewing the online reports filed by the candidates, only Doria has raised any money independently. Harvey Smith is clearly bought and paid for 100% owned outright, being given his entire war chest and campaign expense. I expect that we will prevail to freeze the accounts of the HCDO to prevent any further illegal acts,” said attorneys for Cunningham. Any elected official who gained office in any campaign financed in this fashion can be stripped of his office after the election according to Cunningham’s lawyers. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Copied from the wire. posted Message 592 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 27, 2003 at 22:33:16 Subject: This is the real press release....UTN LIES AGAIN! For Immediate Release: Contact: Tony Bawidaman 201-420-8898 JUDGE RULES: CUNNINGHAM CAN NO LONGER SPEND MONEY OUT OF POLITICAL ACCOUNT Cunningham: out of touch and now out of money Jersey City: Today, in the Hudson County Superior Court Judge Olivieri ruled that Glen Cunningham can no longer spend out of the Political Committee account which he has been running his campaign out of. Judge Olivieri ruled that the Cunningham Campaign can no longer send direct mail, distribute handouts, hang sign or pay workers from the Jersey City Reform Democratic Organization, any printed mail or materials that have bee printed prior to this day cannot be used for this campaign and must be destroyed. "Cunningham's flagrant disregard for the law has caught up to him. He just realized today that if you break the law there are consequences to that. He thought since he was a former law enforcement official he could break any laws he wanted and today he got caught," said Javier Inclan, Executive Director of the Hudson County Democratic Organization. "I think the Cunningham campaign is realizing that crime does not pay. Essentially the courts stopped his campaign dead in its tracks. This definitely changes the outcome of the campaign. Now that Cunningham cannot spend any more of his campaign dollars it puts him at a huge disadvantage," said Tony Bawidamann, Campaign Manager for the 31st Legislative District. ### ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Militello for State Senate posted Message 593 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 07:48:53 Subject: Chicken Gets Mayor Clucking Different Tune Chicken Gets Mayor Clucking Different Tune ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 594 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 08:01:06 Subject: Jersey Journal: Lawyer says psychiatrist to back freeholder's claim she didn't know envelopes held bribes SHE DIDN'T KNOW Lawyer says psychiatrist to back freeholder's claim she didn't know envelopes held bribes Jersey Journal Wednesday, May 28, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer NEWARK - A key witness in the federal corruption trial of Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon will back up Davila-Colon's contention that she never knew she was passing bribes to former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski, her attorney said yesterday in an interview outside the federal courtroom where jury selection in the case began. In an opening round surprise in what promises to be a politically explosive case featuring secretly taped audio and video recordings of public officials, Union City psychiatrist Dr. Oscar Sandoval will testify that Davila-Colon didn't know the envelopes she passed to Janiszewski contained the bribes, said her attorney, Peter Willis. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 595 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 08:04:19 Subject: Jersey Journal: Years of serving powerful men at least one won't willingly testify Years of serving powerful men at least one won't willingly testify Jersey Journal Wednesday, May 28, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal staff writer Not only has Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon of Jersey City been a local political presence in her own right for nearly two decades, but she has also worked for some of the most powerful officials in the state and nation. Now she's hoping they'll come to her aid as character witnesses in her trial on federal bribe-related charges. But at least one of them won't oblige. Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, will not voluntarily testify as a character witness, his office said yesterday. He could still be subpoenaed, but it would be highly unusual for the defense to call a character witness who indicates reluctance to testify. Former Rep. Frank Guarini of Jersey City could not be reached for comment. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 596 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 08:08:05 Subject: Jersey Journal: Rival Dems still can't agree on court ruling Rival Dems still can't agree on court ruling Jersey Journal Wednesday, May 28, 2003 Peter Weiss There's nothing like a clear-cut court decision to settle a dispute. "Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!!" declared a Democrats for Hudson County press release, following yesterday's continuation of a court hearing on campaign funding. "Judge Dismisses Frivolous Lawsuit Against Campaign." That's unambiguous. A big win for Democrats for Hudson County and Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham's campaign for the Democratic nomination for state Senate in the 31st District, right? Oops, here's another press release: "Judge Rules: Cunningham Can No Longer Spend Money Out of Political Account," it declares. "Cunningham out of touch and now out of money." Was there another case going on in another courtroom yesterday? Nope, it's the same case - but with a different interpretation of the result, just like the last time the issue came up. . . . For the complete articel, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 595 Newark Ave. posted Message 597 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 08:28:57 Subject: Re: Jersey Journal: Years of serving powerful men at least one won't willingly testify Well, at least we can be sure with Congressman Guarini that the relationship was strictly professional and that there was no EXTRACURRICULARS to cloud his judgement. Congressman Bob? FORGET ABOUT IT!!! : Years of serving powerful men at least one won't willingly testify : Jersey Journal : Wednesday, May 28, 2003 : By Peter Weiss : Journal staff writer : Not only has Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon of Jersey City been a local political presence in her own right for nearly two decades, but she has also worked for some of the most powerful officials in the state and nation. Now she's hoping they'll come to her aid as character witnesses in her trial on federal bribe-related charges. : But at least one of them won't oblige. : Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, will not voluntarily testify as a character witness, his office said yesterday. He could still be subpoenaed, but it would be highly unusual for the defense to call a character witness who indicates reluctance to testify. : Former Rep. Frank Guarini of Jersey City could not be reached for comment. : . . . : For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Van Kull posted Message 598 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 08:36:28 Subject: Is Harvey Smith CHICKENSH**?!?! The MILITELLO CHICKEN will be at Jersey City City Hall (280 Grove Street) tonight for the Council Meeting. The pugilistic poultry will be strutting his stuff to see if Jersey City Council President Harvey Smith is up to snuff and ready to debate. So far, L. Harvey Smith has consistently shown his tailfeathers and ran for cover, refusing to debate former Assistant Prosecutor Vincent Militello ***************** End Of Article ****************** WE ARE WAITING TO SEE YOUR REPLY. posted Message 599 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 11:46:25 Subject: WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY! TO JAY STEVENS/ STEVE GLAZER/BOBBY JACKSON THE URBAN TIMES NEWS CLAIMS THAT IT TELLS THE TRUTH BUT, WHOSE TRUTH DOES IT TELL………….WHY HAVE WE NOT READ ONE THING ABOUT THE PATTI LABELLE/LOWES SCANDEL. Do you feel that theft in the name of charity is acceptable…………we are all waiting for your reply! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Militello for State Senate posted Message 600 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 12:35:23 Subject: Media Announcement: One Chicken at a Time Contact: Mircalla Wozniak or Katie Dowd (201) 339-8020 Yesterday, a chicken greeted Mayor Cunningham at City Hall and got the mayor to agree to a debate. Today, a chicken will confront City Council member Harvey Smith on why he won’t debate. A chicken will be present at City Hall at 5:30pm and the chicken will attend the last Jersey City Council meeting before the election next Tuesday. The meeting is open to the public and officially begins at 6pm. A Militello for State Senate spokesperson will also be available for questions as well. We received personal attention from both Councilman Smith and Mayor Cunningham on Tuesday and we expect a similar response today. I do hope that you will be able to stop by and grab -- what will be an excellent photo opportunity and a great story. It is very important that the voters begin to realize that elections should focus on issues not personalities. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 601 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 12:42:21 Subject: Mud along the Hudson flies again, in a Senate race Mud along the Hudson flies again, in a Senate race Jersey City mayor seeks more muscle via a Trenton seat, and his congressman wants to stop him Star Ledger Wednesday, May 28, 2003 BY JEFF WHELAN Star-Ledger Staff Glenn Cunningham was brimming with confidence. Sipping hot chocolate in his City Hall office last week, the Jersey City mayor excitedly showed a visitor a few of his prized mementos, including a boxing glove signed by Muhammad Ali. Fresh from a picnic at Liberty State Park, he also described how a throng of senior citizens had smothered him with hugs and kisses. It was a sure sign, he said, that his Democratic primary campaign for the state Senate is going well. "I'm respected in this city. I enjoy a 76 percent job approval rating. And I think it might even be higher at this moment. And of course, I'm well ahead in the polls. Yeah, I'm going to win," said Cunningham. But first, the former U.S. marshal will have to get past Hudson County's reigning Democratic power broker, Rep. Robert Menendez. Two years ago, the congressman helped Cunningham to be elected as the city's first African- American mayor. Now, however, the two men are locked in a bitter battle for control of the county. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Eason posted Message 602 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 15:54:57 Subject: Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Eason posted Message 603 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 16:45:28 Subject: NAACP Blasts Negative Smith Campaign NAACP Blasts Negative Smith Campaign ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 604 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 17:30:11 Subject: Listen Online! Pat Omelia's Hudson County's Talking , 05/25/03 Pat Omelia's radio call-in show, Hudson County's Talking, is broadcast on WNSW (1430AM), every Monday evening at 9 PM. The call-in phone number is 877-999-0799 (toll free). You can e-mail Pat Omelia at jctalking2000@yahoo.com Pat's show is now archived on the Web. A recording from last Monday is available through the Link below. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 605 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 19:21:45 Subject: Jersey City Reporter: Mayor reports on city's progress, criticizes council SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE - Mayor Glenn Cunningham giving the 2003 State of the City address at New Jersey City University last Wednesday. Midterm address Mayor reports on city's progress, criticizes council By Donald M. Kelly Reporter staff writer Jersey City Reporter May 25, 2003 What began as the yearly report on Jersey City ended with criticism of the City Council when Mayor Glenn Cunningham gave his State of the City address Wednesday night at New Jersey City University. Ending a nearly hour-long presentation on positive changes in Jersey City, Cunningham addressed the City Council, with whom he has been at political odds for two years, on what he described as their lack of responsibility for the citizens who elected them to office. "If you are elected, you must believe that the people who elected you should come first," said Cunningham. Cunningham and eight of the nine members of the City Council have been at war since they took opposite sides in the election for Hudson County Executive after Robert Janiszewski's the resignation. Cunningham backed Janiszewski's replacement, Bernard Hartnett, while the majority of the council backed former Jersey City Council President Tom DeGise, who also was backed by Congressman Robert Menendez. . . . For the complete article, see the Link ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 606 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 19:25:40 Subject: Jersey City Reporter: Reality corruption? Reality corruption? Jersey City Reporter May 25, 2003 . . . Of course, anyone tapping into Paul Byrne's phone (the only name so far disclosed as having been tapped) would have to have some sense of humor, leaving the public with the ultimate question as to whether or not the FBI has the necessary funny bone to understand the ins and outs of Hudson County politics. When asked (in a phone interview) if he thought his phone was still bugged, Byrne immediately spoke very loudly, saying, "I think U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie will make a much better candidate for governor than Bret Schundler did, and he can count on my vote." All this bugging is set against the backdrop of the bribery trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon, who has been charged with acting as a conduit to Janiszewski while her one-time boyfriend Dr. Oscar Sandoval - the man who is said to have actually supplied the $20,000 to keep his contracts with the county - has not been. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 607 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 19:51:28 Subject: NORTH JERSEY NEWS: Hudson GOP primary takes unusual twist NORTH JERSEY NEWS Hudson GOP primary takes unusual twist Wednesday, May 28, 2003 By PETER J. SAMPSON STAFF WRITER Reprising their last primary contest for the 32nd District Senate seat, Republicans Frank MacCormack Sr. of Secaucus and John Pluchino of North Bergen are battling for the right to face North Hudson Democratic power Nicholas J. Sacco in November. This time, however, the intraparty feud has taken a bizarre turn: MacCormack is alleging that Hudson County Republican leaders plotted to help Sacco's bid for a fourth Senate term - a claim they scornfully dismiss. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Oh no Not Kabili posted Message 608 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 20:25:49 Subject: Re: NAACP Blasts Negative Smith Campaign : NAACP Blasts Negative Smith Campaign Kabili Tayari is as big a racist as Al Sharpton. What does he think of Glen calling Harv, "Uncle Harvey". I guess thats all right cause Glenn writes the checks. Next thing you know the Urban Times will endorse Glenn. That Eason, he's a funny guy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ALBATROSS....Nope ....wrong type of bird. posted Message 609 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 20:59:38 Subject: Business card ads Thank you for trying to help but, I am already on to the next thing! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sad but true. posted Message 610 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 28, 2003 at 22:01:16 Subject: Re: NAACP Blasts Negative Smith Campaign Stan, I have always thought of you as an honorable man. Unfortunately, after reading the press release I am now wondering what has happened to you. When you first went to work for the mayor, you said to me that you will never put your name on something that was not true…..well talk to me, do you really believe that Harvey is a racist and against who? The release mentions the N.A.A.C.P. so I guess you are saying that Harvey is against African Americans. This has to be the biggest bunch of Bull I have ever read. How dare Stan Eason the Mayor and the Jersey City Chapter of the N.A.A.C.P try to use the name of the N.A.A.C.P for political gain? I have already put a call out to a good friend of my family a man who is in the top ranks of the N.A.A.C.P. This garbage is going to stop and I promise you it will. Remember Stan, it was a member of my family who was murdered in the South trying to help African Americans. Thank You all for setting the movement backwards. I do not care if it is your job and you have no choice…we all have choices! I would sell pencils on a street corner before putting my name on anything that is untrue and hurtful…. HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE MAYOR GLENN D. CUNNINGHAM and most of all HOW DARE THE JERSEY CITY CHAPTER OF THE N.A.A.C.P.! ***************** End Of Article ****************** VIncent Militello for State Senate posted Message 611 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 29, 2003 at 09:33:55 Subject: Militello Scores Major Victory for Bayonne, Jersey City Militello Scores Major Victory for Bayonne, Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 612 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 29, 2003 at 18:48:06 Subject: Cunningham takes his state aid complaints to Trenton Cunningham takes his state aid complaints to Trenton Joe Albright Jersey Journal Thursday, May 29, 2003 In the Rocky Mountains, the challenge is shooting the white rapids; in Jersey City, the thrill is to ride the green fiscal current, though at times it is stagnant, and of course, the waters of politics are always murky. Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City is swimming against the tide in the political current - and he's asking the Legislature to end the ebb tide of indifference in Distressed Cities aid. Cunningham will know after Tuesday's primary whether he beats the Hudson County Democratic Organization to win the 31st District Senate seat of Sen. Joseph Charles of Jersey City, who is leaving in the hope of being named to a seat in state Superior Court. L. Harvey Smith, Jersey City City Council president, is the HCDO choice in the Senate race, backed by Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, and Gov. James E. McGreevey. Bayonne attorney Vincent Militello is on the ballot as an independent. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 613 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 29, 2003 at 18:51:13 Subject: Jersey Journal: Judge to let jury hear Davila-Colon on tape Judge to let jury hear Davila-Colon on tape Talks of bribes passed at least 3 years earlier, prosecution says Jersey Journal Thursday, May 29, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer NEWARK - The jury in Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon's corruption trial will be permitted to listen to a recorded conversation between her and government informant Dr. Oscar Sandoval about envelopes she passed to former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski at least three years before the bribes she is now accused of passing took place, the judge in the case ruled yesterday. The inclusion of those conversations as evidence will be a boost for the prosecution, which must prove that Davila-Colon knowingly passed $10,000 in bribe money to the then-county executive in 1999 from Sandoval, with whom she had a romantic relationship. Attorneys for Davila-Colon, who has pleaded innocent, will argue that she did not know what was in the envelopes and therefore should not be convicted on the five fraud and extortion charges she faces. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 614 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 29, 2003 at 19:56:01 Subject: Video: NAACP Denounces Racist HCDO Campaign Literature The NAACP denounces the Hudson County Democratic Party for their covert racism and subliminal racism. They demand the New Jersey Democratic Party and Governor James McGreevey denouce subliminal racist literature distributed by the Hudson County Democratic Party in the 31st Legislative District. For the Online video, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** N.A.A,C.P. national chapter not invoved in this! posted Message 615 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 29, 2003 at 22:20:46 Subject: This post worth repeating! Stan, I have always thought of you as an honorable man. Unfortunately, after reading the press release I am now wondering what has happened to you. When you first went to work for the mayor, you said to me that you will never put your name on something that was not true…..well talk to me, do you really believe that Harvey is a racist and against who? The release mentions the N.A.A.C.P. so I guess you are saying that Harvey is against African Americans. This has to be the biggest bunch of Bull I have ever read. How dare Stan Eason the Mayor and the Jersey City Chapter of the N.A.A.C.P try to use the name of the N.A.A.C.P for political gain? I have already put a call out to a good friend of my family a man who is in the top ranks of the N.A.A.C.P. This garbage is going to stop and I promise you it will. Remember Stan, it was a member of my family who was murdered in the South trying to help African Americans. Thank You all for setting the movement backwards. I do not care if it is your job and you have no choice…we all have choices! I would sell pencils on a street corner before putting my name on anything that is untrue and hurtful…. HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE MAYOR GLENN D. CUNNINGHAM and most of all HOW DARE THE JERSEY CITY CHAPTER OF THE N.A.A.C.P.! ***************** End Of Article ****************** TheRealTruth posted Message 616 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 29, 2003 at 23:05:54 Subject: Racist Menendez Controls HCDO The HCDO is controlled by Congressman Robert Menendez who is well known for his racist remarks. Menendez is the guy who recently said a Judicial Appointment wasn't "hispanic enough". Menendez is a disgrace. : Stan, : I have always thought of you as an honorable man. : Unfortunately, after reading the press release I am now wondering what has happened to you. : When you first went to work for the mayor, you said to me that you will never put your name on something that was not true…..well talk to me, do you really believe that Harvey is a racist and against who? The release mentions the N.A.A.C.P. so I guess you are saying that Harvey is against African Americans. This has to be the biggest bunch of Bull I have ever read. How dare Stan Eason the Mayor and the Jersey City Chapter of the N.A.A.C.P try to use the name of the N.A.A.C.P for political gain? I have already put a call out to a good friend of my family a man who is in the top ranks of the N.A.A.C.P. : This garbage is going to stop and I promise you it will. Remember Stan, it was a member of my family who was murdered in the South trying to help African Americans. : Thank You all for setting the movement backwards. : I do not care if it is your job and you have no choice…we all have choices! : I would sell pencils on a street corner before putting my name on anything that is untrue and hurtful…. HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE MAYOR GLENN D. CUNNINGHAM and most of all HOW DARE THE JERSEY CITY CHAPTER OF THE N.A.A.C.P.! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 617 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 07:14:31 Subject: JANISZEWSKI TELLS OF BRIBES JANISZEWSKI TELLS OF BRIBES Davila-Colon delivered money from Sandoval on 4 occasions, he testifies Jersey Journal Friday, May 30, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer NEWARK - Disgraced former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski testified in federal court yesterday that he accepted thousands of dollars in bribes from a county vendor in envelopes handed to him by Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon of Jersey City, who is on trial on corruption charges. Reiterating the admissions he made in pleading guilty to extortion in October, the former Democratic powerbroker, who resigned in September 2001, said he received payments of $20,000 from Union City psychiatrist Dr. Oscar Sandoval in 1999 in exchange for county contracts. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 618 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 07:17:19 Subject: Star witness schools jury on contracts Star witness schools jury on contracts Jersey Journal Friday, May 30, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer NEWARK - Nearly seven months after his emotional appearance in court to plead guilty to extortion, former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski was once again in the federal justice complex on Walnut Street - this time as a witness. Appearing calm and sure of himself, Janiszewski testified for about an hour yesterday in the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon of Jersey City, who he said passed him $10,000 in bribes from a county vendor in 1999. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 619 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 07:19:04 Subject: People, places to know in the Davila-Colon trial People, places to know in the Davila-Colon trial Jersey Journal Friday, May 30, 2003 Nidia Davila-Colon: The longest-serving member of the Hudson County Board of Chosen Freeholders, Davila-Colon, 49, of Jersey City, is accused of passing $10,000 in bribes from Dr. Oscar Sandoval, a Union City psychiatrist with whom she had a personal relationship, to disgraced former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski in 1999. Robert Janiszewski: Former Hudson County executive, he has admitted accepting more than $100,000 in bribes during his 13-year tenure in office. After pleading guilty in October to extortion, Janiszewski is now the star witness for the federal government in Davila-Colon's trial, where he has testified that she passed money to him from Sandoval in 1999 and on other occasions in the mid-90s. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 620 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 07:21:20 Subject: 'Torch' to control a patronage pie 'Torch' to control a patronage pie Hefty billings, with contracts to hand out Jersey Journal Friday, May 30, 2003 By Robert Rudolph Newhouse News Service When U.S. District Judge Dennis Cavanaugh announced last week that he was appointing his former sponsor - former U.S. Sen. Robert Torricelli - to serve as a "special master" overseeing a $400 million toxic waste cleanup in Jersey City, to some it looked like a favor to an old friend. Torricelli had championed Cavanaugh's appointment to the federal bench in New Jersey, and Honeywell International, the firm Cavanaugh has ordered to conduct the cleanup, was a major contributor to Torricelli's campaigns. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 621 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 07:23:15 Subject: New MLK center called 'political baseball' New MLK center called 'political baseball' Jersey Journal Friday, May 30, 2003 By Earl Morgan Journal staff writer Jersey City Ward F Councilwoman Viola Richardson accused her colleagues of trying to turn the opening of the Martin Luther King Drive Community Center into a "political baseball." Richardson made her accusation during Wednesday's City Council meeting after the council voted to table a resolution to request proposals to award leases to nonprofit agencies to rent space in the building. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 622 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 13:51:34 Subject: HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN Steven Glazer -email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City-The Keystone Kouncil met in a session strictly for the birds as electronic crows cawed, pigeons cooed, chickens clucked and Harvey Smith ducked an invitation to debate his opponents in the 31st District Senate race. The feathered invitation to the debate was sent by the campaign of Vincent Militello of Bayonne. Militello is a former assistant Hudson County Prosecutor running as an independent against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Harvey Smith for the Senate Seat left vacant by Joseph Charles. Militello’s chicken, a young campaign volunteer dressed in a bright yellow chicken suit, waited patiently through the entire session for an answer from Smith that never quite came. Smith ignored Militello’s campaign workers and the campaign chicken. Mayor Cunningham has agreed to the three-way debate on condition that Smith also participate. But so far Chicken Smith has ducked out of the debate, effectively giving the chicken the bird. The three-way encounter now appears unlikely to occur before the primary election. Few onlookers in the Council Chambers could resist making clucking chicken sounds from time to time during the meeting, while loudspeakers played an endless loop tape recording of crow caws, meant to drive away pigeons, lending a twilight zone flavor to the evening. The twilight zone atmosphere of the final days of the primary election campaign pervades Hudson County. Many observers agree that this campaign is strictly for the birds marking a low point even in Hudson County, long known for hardball politics and dirty pool. There have even been references to the ghosts of birds past, like the pigeons released to mark the 9/11 commemoration, mercifully forgotten until this primary election heated up. Militello’s chicken has at least injected a bit of humor in an otherwise toxic atmosphere. But Militello’s youthful and idealistic volunteers ran into Hudson County Democratic Organization etiquette and a stiff dose of reality therapy. After avoiding the chicken during the entire lengthy meeting, Harvey was forced into a confrontation with Militello’s volunteers who lay in ambush until the bitter end. The patient campaign workers who say they tried to get Harvey to commit to participate in the three-way debate. One of the workers, Mircalla Wozniak, said Harvey appeared to relent. Wozniak then asked “can we call your campaign office tomorrow to set up a time and place.” Harvey reportedly told her “Call my campaign.” The idealistic young woman took that for a “yes” and said she believed that meant that Harvey had agreed to the debate. Militello’s campaign office says that they are still attempting to contact Harvey and are waiting to receive a return call from his campaign office. Those experienced in Hudson County politics would no doubt be quick to inform the volunteers that their chicken is in the mail. Welcome to HCDO politics, kids, and meet Uncle Harvey. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 623 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 16:42:47 Subject: NAACP BLASTS HCDO’S RACIST CAMPAIGN MAILERS NAACP BLASTS HCDO’S RACIST CAMPAIGN MAILERS ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 624 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 18:06:42 Subject: Janiszewski testimony leads corruption trial Janiszewski testimony leads corruption trial Star Ledger Friday, May 30, 2003 BY JOHN P. MARTIN AND WILLIAM KLEINKNECHT Star-Ledger Staff Robert Janiszewski, the once-powerful Hudson County executive who was snared in a corruption sting, debuted as a government witness yesterday -- and a defense attorney promised to make his appearance neither brief nor easy. Janiszewski, a Democrat, was the first witness called in the corruption trial of longtime Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon. She faces charges of mail fraud and aiding extortion for allegedly funneling $10,000 in cash payments to the county executive from Oscar Sandoval, a psychiatrist who won more than $2 million in county contracts. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 625 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 18:20:18 Subject: Peter Weiss: Ex-exec's worrisome timetable Ex-exec's worrisome timetable Peter Weiss Jersey Journal Friday, May 30, 2003 Normally, less than one week before a contested primary, Hudson County pols would be firmly focused on the campaign. But these days, they can't be blamed for casting eyes and ears toward Newark, where the trial of county Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon is entering the "Ohmygoodness" phase with the testimony of former County Executive Robert Janiszewski. Davila-Colon is accused of passing bribes from Dr. Oscar Sandoval, a psychiatrist who held county contracts, to Janiszewski. The former county executive is a government witness who made a deal for a lighter sentence after admitting taking bribes from Sandoval and others. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dirt Bag Glazer posted Message 626 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 30, 2003 at 23:58:21 Subject: Re: NAACP BLASTS HCDO’S RACIST CAMPAIGN MAILERS : NAACP BLASTS HCDO’S RACIST CAMPAIGN MAILERS Wow, Glenn is playing the race card. Stop the presses! This is real news! Glenn would be dumb if he were Chinese. Hey dirt bag, Found the guts to call Harv, "Uncle Harvey" to his face yet? Get back under your rock, slime ball. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dirt Bag Glazer posted Message 627 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 00:01:31 Subject: Re: HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN : HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN : Steven Glazer -email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : Jersey City-The Keystone Kouncil met in a session strictly for the birds as electronic crows cawed, pigeons cooed, chickens clucked and Harvey Smith ducked an invitation : to debate his opponents in the 31st District Senate race. The feathered invitation to the debate was sent by the campaign of Vincent Militello of Bayonne. Militello is a former : assistant Hudson County Prosecutor running as an independent against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Harvey Smith for the Senate Seat left vacant by : Joseph Charles. : Militello’s chicken, a young campaign volunteer dressed in a bright yellow chicken suit, waited patiently through the entire session for an answer from Smith that never quite : came. Smith ignored Militello’s campaign workers and the campaign chicken. Mayor Cunningham has agreed to the three-way debate on condition that Smith also : participate. But so far Chicken Smith has ducked out of the debate, effectively giving the chicken the bird. The three-way encounter now appears unlikely to occur before : the primary election. : Few onlookers in the Council Chambers could resist making clucking chicken sounds from time to time during the meeting, while loudspeakers played an endless loop tape : recording of crow caws, meant to drive away pigeons, lending a twilight zone flavor to the evening. The twilight zone atmosphere of the final days of the primary election : campaign pervades Hudson County. Many observers agree that this campaign is strictly for the birds marking a low point even in Hudson County, long known for hardball : politics and dirty pool. There have even been references to the ghosts of birds past, like the pigeons released to mark the 9/11 commemoration, mercifully forgotten until this : primary election heated up. Militello’s chicken has at least injected a bit of humor in an otherwise toxic atmosphere. : But Militello’s youthful and idealistic volunteers ran into Hudson County Democratic Organization etiquette and a stiff dose of reality therapy. After avoiding the chicken : during the entire lengthy meeting, Harvey was forced into a confrontation with Militello’s volunteers who lay in ambush until the bitter end. The patient campaign workers : who say they tried to get Harvey to commit to participate in the three-way debate. One of the workers, Mircalla Wozniak, said Harvey appeared to relent. Wozniak then : asked “can we call your campaign office tomorrow to set up a time and place.” Harvey reportedly told her “Call my campaign.” The idealistic young woman took that for a : “yes” and said she believed that meant that Harvey had agreed to the debate. : Militello’s campaign office says that they are still attempting to contact Harvey and are waiting to receive a return call from his campaign office. Those experienced in Hudson : County politics would no doubt be quick to inform the volunteers that their chicken is in the mail. Welcome to HCDO politics, kids, and meet Uncle Harvey. : This is the same Glenn Cunningham who wouldn't debate DeGise in the mayor's race that you're talking about right scum bucket> ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 628 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 00:23:40 Subject: Re: NAACP BLASTS HCDO’S RACIST CAMPAIGN MAILERS : : NAACP BLASTS HCDO’S RACIST CAMPAIGN MAILERS : Wow, Glenn is playing the race card. Stop the presses! This is real news! Glenn would be dumb if he were Chinese. Hey dirt bag, Found the guts to call Harv, "Uncle Harvey" to his face yet? Get back under your rock, slime ball. Keep reading Urban Times News. It will improve your mind. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 629 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 00:25:37 Subject: Re: HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN : : HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN : : Steven Glazer -email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : : Jersey City-The Keystone Kouncil met in a session strictly for the birds as electronic crows cawed, pigeons cooed, chickens clucked and Harvey Smith ducked an invitation : : to debate his opponents in the 31st District Senate race. The feathered invitation to the debate was sent by the campaign of Vincent Militello of Bayonne. Militello is a former : : assistant Hudson County Prosecutor running as an independent against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Harvey Smith for the Senate Seat left vacant by : : Joseph Charles. : : Militello’s chicken, a young campaign volunteer dressed in a bright yellow chicken suit, waited patiently through the entire session for an answer from Smith that never quite : : came. Smith ignored Militello’s campaign workers and the campaign chicken. Mayor Cunningham has agreed to the three-way debate on condition that Smith also : : participate. But so far Chicken Smith has ducked out of the debate, effectively giving the chicken the bird. The three-way encounter now appears unlikely to occur before : : the primary election. : : Few onlookers in the Council Chambers could resist making clucking chicken sounds from time to time during the meeting, while loudspeakers played an endless loop tape : : recording of crow caws, meant to drive away pigeons, lending a twilight zone flavor to the evening. The twilight zone atmosphere of the final days of the primary election : : campaign pervades Hudson County. Many observers agree that this campaign is strictly for the birds marking a low point even in Hudson County, long known for hardball : : politics and dirty pool. There have even been references to the ghosts of birds past, like the pigeons released to mark the 9/11 commemoration, mercifully forgotten until this : : primary election heated up. Militello’s chicken has at least injected a bit of humor in an otherwise toxic atmosphere. : : But Militello’s youthful and idealistic volunteers ran into Hudson County Democratic Organization etiquette and a stiff dose of reality therapy. After avoiding the chicken : : during the entire lengthy meeting, Harvey was forced into a confrontation with Militello’s volunteers who lay in ambush until the bitter end. The patient campaign workers : : who say they tried to get Harvey to commit to participate in the three-way debate. One of the workers, Mircalla Wozniak, said Harvey appeared to relent. Wozniak then : : asked “can we call your campaign office tomorrow to set up a time and place.” Harvey reportedly told her “Call my campaign.” The idealistic young woman took that for a : : “yes” and said she believed that meant that Harvey had agreed to the debate. : : Militello’s campaign office says that they are still attempting to contact Harvey and are waiting to receive a return call from his campaign office. Those experienced in Hudson : : County politics would no doubt be quick to inform the volunteers that their chicken is in the mail. Welcome to HCDO politics, kids, and meet Uncle Harvey. : : This is the same Glenn Cunningham who wouldn't debate DeGise in the mayor's race that you're talking about right scum bucket> For your own sake we urge you to continue reading Urban Times News. It will improve your mind. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ricardo Kaulessar posted Message 630 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 06:16:24 Subject: ONE STRIKE, YOU’RE OUT! JC HOUSING TENANTS RECEIVE FOWL PLAY FROM BAD POLICY If baseball had the one strike, you’re out rule, the game would probably be finished a lot faster - a fan’s dream. But for the tenants of Jersey City’s housing projects, this is no game but a literal nightmare. A meeting on May 7th inside the Jersey City Housing Authority (JCHA) meeting room at the Marion Gardens housing projects was held to address the issue of the HUD One Strike Policy. Tenants from Marion Gardens and other housing projects across the city attended the meeting. There were local ministers from the Interministerial Alliance, officials from the Housing Authority and community activists also in attendance. The One Strike Policy was created in 1988 during the Reagan Administration to combat the rampant drug dealing and crack epidemic that especially plagued housing projects in the United States during that time. But the policy has been a lighting rod for controversy since its inception. The policy requires that any tenant of public and assisted housing must agree when signing their resident lease that any criminal activity engaged by tenant, any member of the tenant’s household or a guest are grounds for eviction of the entire household. However, various factors are supposed to taken into consideration before evicting tenants such the seriousness of the offense and whether or not the offender committed the offense on the premises. Alternate sanctions would then be carried out such as removal of the offender from the household if he/she were not the head of household, a ban from the premises and/or rehabilitation. According to Aneesah Abdullah, a teacher at Snyder High School who was at the meeting on behalf of tenants from the city’s various housing projects who were penalized unfairly, the policy has taken effect in severe measure the past two years with few of the sanctions as required by the policy even being invoked. The center of much controversy, as addressed during the meeting, was whether or not the policy has been implemented equally from resident to resident. Tenants who have been evicted charged that they were forced out for the flimsiest of reasons, while some their fellow tenants who were raided by police and caught with the drugs on the premises were allowed to stay. Other complaints included the Jersey City Housing Authority doing a poor job of educating tenants on the One Strike Policy itself and especially the due process rights to which are they are entitled under the policy, and that there is no assistance provided to help evicted tenants, particularly the elderly, find new housing. Abdullah, who has spent the past three months organizing the meetings on city housing sites where tenants aired their grievances about the policy, said there were positive signs during the Marion Gardens meeting from the new JCHA interim director Robert Graham who was in attendance. “What I heard from the interim director is that (Jersey City Housing Authority) was going to revise the policy, take a look at some of the issues, and they’re going to also take a look at some of the people who were evicted to see if they were due processed in a correct way and if not, some time down the road, maybe bring some of those people back,” said Abdullah. In fact, there are talks underway to create an advisory committee consisting of Abdullah; local activist Virginia Miller; Reverends Kevin Agee, Thomas Robinson, and George Maize of the Interministerial Alliance; Jersey City NAACP branch president Kabili Tayari, Ron Scott, and tenant representatives from the housing projects who will meet with the Housing Authority to assist in the revision of the policy. Robert Graham, who was named on April 14th to fill the interim director position left vacant by the recent demise of former director Robert Rigby, stated in a recent interview with the Urban Times News that it will be sixty to eighty days before a new One Strike policy is set. Graham stated that after meeting with the soon-to-be-formed advisory board, he would have to go through the Board of Commissioners as well JCHA attorneys, housing police, site managers before putting the revisions to a vote. He will also confer with the directors of other urban Housing Authorities within the state to find out about their respective approaches to the One Strike Policy. The move toward revisions and possible reinstatement of residence will be good news to Yvette Bryant and Rasheeda Jackson, two of the many victims of what many housing and community experts across the country have called a regressive and racist policy that punishes the innocent more than the guilty. Bryant, a 39 year old single mother of four who lived in the Marion Gardens Housing Complex for eight years until her eviction in April of this year. What lead to the eviction was the arrest of her son, Daivon, who was eighteen when he was arrested on Pavonia Avenue in June 2002 on a drug charge. Bryant, whose son was on her lease until she had him taken off the lease one month later, claimed that she was contacted in the fall of 2002 by the JCHA that she had to attend an informal hearing before housing management to determine eviction. She was sure that she was immune but that was not the case as she ended up fighting the termination of her tenancy before Housing Court in February 2003 and lost. Bryant now resides in Newark with two of her children, hoping that she will be able to return to live in Jersey City where her other two children still reside along with many of her relatives, and where she currently works as a Pathmark employee. She also pointed out the unfair application of the One Strike Policy in citing the example of some people whom she knew were able to avoid eviction when they were charged with more serious offenses than hers, and the hypocritical presence of the current Marion Gardens site manager. “You have someone like Donna Chandler, who treated me and many other tenants unfairly, who was herself was a former drug addict and drug dealer who was dealing out of her apartment when she lived in the projects, yet had pulled some strings and came back to become a manager. And I know a great deal more who have done worse and I’m going to give names.” Meanwhile, Rasheeda Jackson still lives in the Lafayette Gardens Housing Complex where she has spent most of her life, with her three children. But now rather than being the tenant of her own apartment, she had to move in with her mother, who lives across the hall. Her eviction in January 2003 was the result of her brother’s arrest on drug possession in February of 2002. According to Jackson, a single mother of three currently employed as an officer at the Hudson County Juvenile Detention Center, her brother wasn’t a resident of the Marion Gardens projects but had given her address and apartment number in previous arrests as his place of residence. Jackson believes that they used his criminal record in evicting her along with her three children. After her brother’s February 2002 arrest, Jackson didn’t have a hearing with JCHA officials until July 2002, when she was told that if she agreed to the eviction she would be in their records as a tenant leaving in good standing, or she could find her eviction in Housing Court. Jackson chose the latter and in December 2002, the judge in the case ruled in the Housing Authority’s favor. By January 2003, she had to move out of her apartment. Like Yvette Bryant, Jackson not only had been a firsthand witness to the arbitrary enforcement of the One Strike Policy but also was a victim of the lack of education on the subject. “I lived in my own apartment since 1996, about six years on the lease before I was evicted and there never was an actual meeting on the subject. They would spend a hot minute.” Aneesah Abdullah hopes that there will be change as soon as possible as she sees that more of these tenants each week being subjected to quick removal from their residences. Herself a former resident of Jersey City housing projects for most of her forty-eight years and a parent, she has seen how the One Strike Policy has affected families and hopes that Jersey City Housing Authority will step up to the plate and make the necessary changes and educate tenants on those changes. “Before you initiate that you’re going to evict a tenant, please be mindful that where are these people going to go, please be mindful that you should offer some help,” scolded Abdullah on the subject which also brought out the teacher on her. “The tenants are not being educated. They need to understand the policy and if you have senior citizens who live in the complexes that don’t have a high school diploma or a grammar school diploma, or haven’t sat down and the policy hasn’t been broken down to them, how are they going to understand what they are reading or what they’re signing. So to me, it was a set-up, it was a conspiracy, and so this is the result.” For more information on upcoming JCHA meetings and the One Strike Policy, please contact Aneesah Abdullah at (201) 780-5564 and the Jersey City Housing Authority at (201) 547-6600 ***************** End Of Article ****************** HACKSMITH posted Message 631 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 07:11:30 Subject: Re: Peter Weiss: Ex-exec's worrisome timetable : Ex-exec's worrisome timetable : Peter Weiss : Jersey Journal : Friday, May 30, 2003 : Normally, less than one week before a contested primary, Hudson County pols would be firmly focused on the campaign. : But these days, they can't be blamed for casting eyes and ears toward Newark, where the trial of county Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon is entering the "Ohmygoodness" phase with the testimony of former County Executive Robert Janiszewski. : : Davila-Colon is accused of passing bribes from Dr. Oscar Sandoval, a psychiatrist who held county contracts, to Janiszewski. The former county executive is a government witness who made a deal for a lighter sentence after admitting taking bribes from Sandoval and others. : . . . : For the complete article, see the Link. WHAT DOES THE COLON TRIAL HAVE TO DO WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF THIS CITY? WILL THERE BE INVESTIGATIONS OF FORMER MAYOR SCHUNDLER AND OTHER POLITICIANS AS WELL AS THOSE CURRENTLY IN CITY HALL WHO MIGHT HAVE DEALT WITH COLON DURING HER TIME IN OFFICE ? OR ARE THOSE ISSUE TOO SENSITIVE AND TOO CLOSE TO WEISS AND THE JERSEY JOURNAL! AND AS FAR AS WEISS' OTHER ITEMS ON MAYOR CUNNINGHAM AND GERALD MCCANN. IT'S GOOD MR. WEISS THAT YOU FOUND SOME "FUNNY" AS WELL AS "INCISIVE INFO", JUST WISH YOU WOULD MAKE THE ATTEMPT TO FIND SOME DIRT ON YOUR FRIENDS HARVEY SMITH AND TOM DEGISE. IF PETER WEISS NEEDS ANY HELP DOING HIS JOB, THEN HE SHOULD CONTACT ME AT HACKSMITH1872@AOL.COM. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 632 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 08:55:57 Subject: NJN News Video: Michael Aron Looks at the State Senate Race Michael Aron looks at the contest for the Democrat nomination for State Senate candidate in the 31st District (Jersey City / Bayonne). Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham faces Council President Harvey Smith and former Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Vincent Militello. Michael Aron talks with State Senator Bernard Kenny about the odds against Harvey Smith and if a loss by Smith will be a torpedo to the prestige of Bayonne Mayor Joe Doria. To view the video, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 633 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 11:46:47 Subject: Jersey Journal: At a glance: Alleged payoffs to Janiszewski At a glance: Alleged payoffs to Janiszewski Jersey Journal Saturday, May 31, 2003 Here's a look at the people who Robert Janiszewski said paid him bribes during his tenure in office. The former Hudson County executive testified yesterday. None of them have been charged with any wrongdoing: . . . For the rest of the article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 634 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 11:49:55 Subject: Peter Weiss: Primary may not settle much Primary may not settle much Peter Weiss Jersey Journal Saturday, May 31, 2003 The Democratic nomination for state Senate in the 31st District is Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham's to lose. Can he? Cunningham maintains he'll be an easy winner against Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith and Bayonne attorney Vincent Militello. He says polls show him with tremendous popularity in Jersey City and holding his own in the Bayonne part of the district. . . . For the rest of the piece, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 635 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 14:06:50 Subject: Star Ledger: Hudson corruption trial: So much money, where to hide it all? Hudson corruption trial: So much money, where to hide it all? Star Ledger Saturday, May 31, 2003 BY ANA M. ALAYA Star-Ledger Staff Former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski testified yesterday that envelopes bulging with cash bribes flowed to him at such a routine pace that he had trouble hiding it all. In his second day on the stand, Janiszewski, a once-powerful Democratic Party boss, described how he began stuffing the envelopes in his desk at work or a file at home. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dirt Bag Glazer posted Message 636 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : May 31, 2003 at 14:12:25 Subject: Re: HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN : : : HARVEY DUCKS CHICKEN : : : Steven Glazer -email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : : : Jersey City-The Keystone Kouncil met in a session strictly for the birds as electronic crows cawed, pigeons cooed, chickens clucked and Harvey Smith ducked an invitation : : : to debate his opponents in the 31st District Senate race. The feathered invitation to the debate was sent by the campaign of Vincent Militello of Bayonne. Militello is a former : : : assistant Hudson County Prosecutor running as an independent against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Harvey Smith for the Senate Seat left vacant by : : : Joseph Charles. : : : Militello’s chicken, a young campaign volunteer dressed in a bright yellow chicken suit, waited patiently through the entire session for an answer from Smith that never quite : : : came. Smith ignored Militello’s campaign workers and the campaign chicken. Mayor Cunningham has agreed to the three-way debate on condition that Smith also : : : participate. But so far Chicken Smith has ducked out of the debate, effectively giving the chicken the bird. The three-way encounter now appears unlikely to occur before : : : the primary election. : : : Few onlookers in the Council Chambers could resist making clucking chicken sounds from time to time during the meeting, while loudspeakers played an endless loop tape : : : recording of crow caws, meant to drive away pigeons, lending a twilight zone flavor to the evening. The twilight zone atmosphere of the final days of the primary election : : : campaign pervades Hudson County. Many observers agree that this campaign is strictly for the birds marking a low point even in Hudson County, long known for hardball : : : politics and dirty pool. There have even been references to the ghosts of birds past, like the pigeons released to mark the 9/11 commemoration, mercifully forgotten until this : : : primary election heated up. Militello’s chicken has at least injected a bit of humor in an otherwise toxic atmosphere. : : : But Militello’s youthful and idealistic volunteers ran into Hudson County Democratic Organization etiquette and a stiff dose of reality therapy. After avoiding the chicken : : : during the entire lengthy meeting, Harvey was forced into a confrontation with Militello’s volunteers who lay in ambush until the bitter end. The patient campaign workers : : : who say they tried to get Harvey to commit to participate in the three-way debate. One of the workers, Mircalla Wozniak, said Harvey appeared to relent. Wozniak then : : : asked “can we call your campaign office tomorrow to set up a time and place.” Harvey reportedly told her “Call my campaign.” The idealistic young woman took that for a : : : “yes” and said she believed that meant that Harvey had agreed to the debate. : : : Militello’s campaign office says that they are still attempting to contact Harvey and are waiting to receive a return call from his campaign office. Those experienced in Hudson : : : County politics would no doubt be quick to inform the volunteers that their chicken is in the mail. Welcome to HCDO politics, kids, and meet Uncle Harvey. : : : This is the same Glenn Cunningham who wouldn't debate DeGise in the mayor's race that you're talking about right scum bucket> : : For your own sake we urge you to continue reading Urban Times News. It will improve your mind. Glad to see you follow my posts, how does it feel to be Bobby Jackson's little white boy toy? Your mom must be so proud! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bye Bye Joe Barry posted Message 637 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 08:24:59 Subject: Bribers of Janiszewski - COOPERATING WITH GOVERNMENT Janiszewski lists payers of bribes at trial of Colon Saturday, May 31, 2003 By PETER J. SAMPSON STAFF WRITER NEWARK - Former Hudson County Executive Robert C. Janiszewski on Friday said waterfront developer Joseph Barry and political consultant Paul Byrne were among seven people who paid him tens of thousands of dollars in bribes for favors. The revelation came during questioning by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey D. Clark on the second day of testimony in the corruption trial of longtime Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon. Colon is facing charges of mail fraud and aiding and abetting extortion for allegedly delivering two $5,000 cash payments to Janiszewski from her former boyfriend, psychiatrist Oscar Sandoval, in 1999. In return for the payments, Janiszewski said, Sandoval's contracts to provide psychiatric services to the county jail and hospital were renewed and expanded. Janiszewski, the once-powerful Democrat who served six years in the Assembly and 16 as Hudson's top elected official, pleaded guilty in October to receiving $20,000 in bribes from Sandoval. As part of a deal, he said, he agreed to work with the FBI and secretly recorded conversations with associates in the hope that his cooperation will win him a more lenient sentence. Detailing a litany of "other illegal acts," Janiszewski disclosed that he accepted cash payments "directly" from Barry, president of the Applied Companies, a major developer of housing in Hoboken, Jersey City, and North Bergen. Janiszewski also said that on two occasions before his cooperation, Byrne - his boyhood friend and confidant - acted as an intermediary for payments of $30,000 and $20,000 from Barry in connection with his developments. Janiszewski described the payments as "essentially a kickback" for approval of low-interest loans and grants and said the agreement called for an "ultimate amount of $305,000" to be split between him and Byrne. He also referred to the payments as "bribes." Barry, whose Hoboken offices were raided by the FBI last year, has denied any wrongdoing. Neither he nor his attorney could be reached for comment Friday. Byrne had only one comment on the testimony: "This is the political equivalent of John Gotti ratting out his bookies." Janiszewski said he also accepted periodic cash payments of $2,000 to $3,000 from Byrne, bond underwriter John "Jay" Booth, and three accountants who had county contracts. Janiszewski said Byrne "fashioned himself as a government consultant" who helped clients obtain county contracts and grants and access to Janiszewski. Janiszewski testified that Booth paid him a total of $9,000 over the years in connection with bond underwriting deals, including the financing of construction of the county jail. He said Booth acted once as an intermediary for an engineering firm. Booth could not be reached for comment Friday. Prosecutors, who sought to keep the vendors' names secret but were overruled by the judge on Thursday, declined to answer any questions about their status. On Thursday, they said SOME WERE COOPERATING and others might never be charged. Janiszewski detailed the payoffs he received from Sandoval, who began cooperating with the FBI in June 1999 and helped snare Janiszewski. Accustomed to receiving campaign checks from Sandoval, Janiszewski said he was surprised when he met Colon at her political club in 1996 and she handed him an envelope with $10,000 cash. She told him the money was from Sandoval and that he could do whatever he wanted with it, he testified. Although it wasn't his first bribe, Janiszewski said, the transaction was "burned into my memory" because it was the first time he had accepted cash from another elected official. It also meant Colon knew he was on the take, he said. Sandoval once tried to give him an envelope in his county office, but fearful of being "exposed," Janiszewski said, he encouraged the doctor to take it back by writing a note on a pad saying something like "wrong time, wrong place, not now." Janiszewski said he avoided Sandoval for more than a year after that until Colon told him that the doctor wanted to get back in his good graces. "She asked me if she could be the liaison between Dr. Sandoval and I," he said, and believing that "Sandoval would not intentionally hurt Ms. Colon," he agreed. Shortly after that, he said, Colon passed him envelopes with $5,000 from Sandoval in September and October of 1999, first in the hallway outside his office in the old county courthouse and then at a political event. The trial was recessed until Tuesday, when Janiszewski is to resume his testimony. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 638 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 09:02:23 Subject: Star Ledger: Legislative primary features big names and intrigue Hudson County -- a Democratic bastion -- has erupted in political civil war. Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham is seeking election to the state Senate, a move that could make him a major force in New Jersey politics. But U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez is backing another candidate in hopes of remaining Hudson County's reigning kingmaker. . . . 31ST DISTRICT Sen. Joseph Charles (D-Hudson) is retiring to become a Superior Court judge. Cunningham, the mayor of the second-largest city in the state, wants to replace him and hold two powerful posts, like Newark Mayor Sharpe James. Those aspirations are meeting stiff resistance from the Hudson County Democratic organization and from Menendez, the third-most powerful Democrat in the House. The congressman doesn't want to lose control of his home turf to a Democratic rival. He's backing Jersey City Council President Harvey Smith, a high school administrator. The county party, which has been feuding with the mayor for more than a year, is committing more than $1 million to finance the campaign of Smith and his running mates. Cunningham has his own key backers -- including Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union) and former U.S. Sen. Robert Torricelli, who recently gave the mayor a $10,000 contribution. Cunningham, a former police officer and former U.S. marshal has promised to fight for more state funds for the city. His advantage is instant name recognition in a district where Jersey City residents make up 64 percent of registered Democrats. Initial polls put him far ahead. Cunningham is running with two Assembly candidates and the slate's popularity threatens Bayonne Mayor Joseph Doria, the former Assembly speaker. He and his running mate, freshman Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli, are viewed as vulnerable. Gov. James E. McGreevey, who suffers from low poll numbers statewide but is still popular among Hudson Democrats, gave the party's slate a boost with his endorsement. Vincent Militello, a former assistant Hudson County prosecutor from Bayonne, also is running an aggressive campaign for Senate, and has accused his two opponents of ignoring issues while battling for power and patronage. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah Abdullah posted Message 639 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 10:03:12 Subject: Re: Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! : Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! Just want to add that Mayor Cunningham Is Going To Win This Election And Let's See What Happens's Next Mr. Havey Smith, Where Are You Going Next You Know Thay Are Not Going Too Want You Around Any More So Don't Come Running Back To Us, Have You Forgotten That Degeise Didn't Want You On His Ticket When He Ran For Mayor Well We Did'nt That's Why You Ran To Cunningham Anyway. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mr. Hassan Abdullah posted Message 640 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 10:22:58 Subject: Re: Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! : Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! My name is Hassan H. Abdullah and I've been a Community Activist for over 25 years I am suprise at my friend Harvey Smith we coach together and raise our children together when Glenn Cunningham put my friend Harvey on his ticket in 2001 Harvey should be more loyal to him when the others didn't want him I have not talk with my frined in awhile but it's time so Harvey reach out to me soon so we can talk man and don't think that you are to big to call me either because I remember when Mr. Harvey you know my number. Thank you Your Friend Hassan God Bless You And Your Family ***************** End Of Article ****************** and waiting and waiting............. posted Message 641 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 11:44:59 Subject: >We are still waiting......................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by WE ARE WAITING TO SEE YOUR REPLY. on May 28, 2003 at 11:46:25: TO JAY STEVENS/ STEVE GLAZER/BOBBY JACKSON THE URBAN TIMES NEWS CLAIMS THAT IT TELLS THE TRUTH BUT, WHOSE TRUTH DOES IT TELL………….WHY HAVE WE NOT READ ONE THING ABOUT THE PATTI LABELLE/LOWES SCANDEL. Do you feel that theft in the name of charity is acceptable…………we are all waiting for your reply! ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOWES SCANDEL? posted Message 642 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 13:02:15 Subject: LOWES SCANDEL? LOWES SCANDEL? Wasn't he a silent film comedian? : Posted by WE ARE WAITING TO SEE YOUR REPLY. on May 28, 2003 at 11:46:25: : TO JAY STEVENS/ STEVE GLAZER/BOBBY JACKSON : THE URBAN TIMES NEWS CLAIMS THAT IT TELLS THE TRUTH BUT, WHOSE TRUTH DOES IT TELL………….WHY HAVE WE NOT READ ONE THING ABOUT THE PATTI LABELLE/LOWES SCANDEL. : Do you feel that theft in the name of charity is acceptable…………we are all waiting for your reply! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 643 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 13:06:14 Subject: Jersey City Reporter Three's company Candidates vie for nomination in 31st District Assembly, Senate Jersey City Reporter Donald M. Kelly & Al Sullivan Reporter staff writers June 01, 2003 Voters in the 31st district, comprising a major portion of Jersey City and Bayonne, will choose between three candidates to be the Democratic candidate for the district's state senator. The three candidates are current Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, and Bayonne attorney Vincent Militello. The primary election will be held Wednesday, June 3 at polling places in both cities from 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 644 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 13:08:56 Subject: Jersey City Reporter: The funky chicken The funky chicken Council debates community center, gets barnyard visitor Jersey City Reporter Donald M. Kelly Reporter staff writer June 01, 2003 As members of the Jersey City Council debated the opening of the Martin Luther King Drive Community Center Wednesday night, a five-foot yellow chicken stood in the back of the council chambers. Accompanied by Mircalla Wozniak from the Vincent Militello for State Senate campaign, the chicken wore a sign that read "Why won't you debate, Mr. Smith? Are you chicken?" The sign was addressed to council president L. Harvey Smith, who is running for the Democratic nomination for State Senate in the 31st District, along with Bayonne attorney Militello and Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. Both Cunningham and Smith had declined to debate publicly with Militello on Channel 12 television. The chicken eventually confronted Smith, who had his picture taken with the avian protestor. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 645 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 13:13:19 Subject: Jersey City Reporter: "Rep. Bob Menendez (D-13th Dist.) seems to be mending political fences with Cunningham, before an expected Cunningham primary victory." . . . Rep. Bob Menendez (D-13th Dist.) seems to be mending political fences with Cunningham, before an expected Cunningham primary victory. Several statements issued out of Menendez's office hinted at peacemaking. This is a wise political move. If Cunningham wins, he will carry significant clout. Better to make overtures now than later when such moves might be seen as groveling. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** YOUR AN A- WHOLE! posted Message 646 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 17:50:23 Subject: Re: LOWES SCANDEL? : LOWES SCANDEL? : Wasn't he a silent film comedian? : : : : Do you feel that theft in the name of charity is acceptable…………we are all waiting for your reply! ***************** End Of Article ****************** I DOUBT BOB WILL EVER MEND W/ GLENN posted Message 647 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 17:52:50 Subject: Re: Jersey City Reporter: "Rep. Bob Menendez (D-13th Dist.) seems to be mending political fences with Cunningham, before an expected Cunningham primary victory." : KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE BUT KEEP THE CONMAN EVEN CLOSER...BOB WILL GIVE IT TO GLENN ONE DAY! : . . . : Rep. Bob Menendez (D-13th Dist.) seems to be mending political fences with Cunningham, before an expected Cunningham primary victory. Several statements issued out of Menendez's office hinted at peacemaking. This is a wise political move. If Cunningham wins, he will carry significant clout. Better to make overtures now than later when such moves might be seen as groveling. : . . . : For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dirt Bag Glazer posted Message 648 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 18:18:54 Subject: Re: Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! : : Cunningham Triumphs, Again!!!!! : Just want to add that Mayor Cunningham Is Going To Win This Election And Let's See What Happens's Next Mr. Havey Smith, Where Are You Going Next You Know Thay Are Not Going Too Want You Around Any More So Don't Come Running Back To Us, Have You Forgotten That Degeise Didn't Want You On His Ticket When He Ran For Mayor Well We Did'nt That's Why You Ran To Cunningham Anyway. Will someone familiar with ebonics kindly translate the last two posts. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WE ARE WAITING ,WHY SO QUIET BOYS? posted Message 649 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 01, 2003 at 23:15:24 Subject: YES THEFT! : : Do you feel that theft in the name of charity is acceptable…………we are all waiting for your reply! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Missy posted Message 650 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 06:53:56 Subject: SLIM TATICS BY CUNNINGHAM! who paid for the ad in today's JC reporter listing the "schedule" for Channel 1? I sure didn't see "Cunningham for Senate" listed and what a coincidence, 2 days before the election and that's the first time I've ever seen Ch1 listings. And what listings they were - every other show was the State of the Campaign, uh, I mean City speech. And the rest were the myriad photo ops that Glenn and his gang flock to. The HCDO should have demanded equal time. At the very least, the council should examine city expenditures on that little venture. And what about the Extra supermarket ad - at least they owned up to it being a political advertisement. Guess they know which side of the bread their butter is on. Too bad Vinnie doesn't have a chance. Harvey's no bargain, but at least he isn't Glenn/Bobby/Joe. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 651 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:13:29 Subject: Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for 31st District Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for 31st District Urban Times News May 23-May 29, 2003 It is agreed upon throughout the state that Governor James McGreevey is not succeeding. In fact, The Jersey Journal pre- sented a story entitled "McGreevey's poll performance: Mr. Negative on all 9 issues." The story then went on to list the Governor's shortcomings by way of statewide voter dis- approval with negative ratings related to the state budget, education, the economy and jobs, auto insurance, taxes in general and property taxes.' This is what the people of 'New Jersey have to say! Obviously, Mr. McGreevey has failed. What's worse for the 31st District, is that he has deprived us of essential monetary relief more than any other district in the state. This year the taxpayers of Jersey City will receive only $2 million. That is more than an 80% decrease in tax relief since last year! In comparison, much smaller towns such as Union City ($4 million) and Harrison ($3 million) received significantly more funding per resident. Harrison, with a population of only 14,400 will receive $207 per person in distressed cities aide, while Jersey City's population of 243,000 will receive only $8 per person. Since Governor McGreevey has been in office, Jersey City's state aid has plummeted from $16 million to $2 million, while our legislators stood by and collected their multiple government salaries'.!! Bayonne, on the other hand has been labeled as one of the most tax trauma- tized municipalities in the state by the Star Ledger -- this is Joe Doria's home town. He has done nothing to provide relief for the 31st District after 24 years in the legislature! Jim McGreevey and Joe Doria have something in common: they both have done nothing for the areas they are supposed to serve. Now, Governor McGreevey has teamed up with Harvey Smith and Joe Doria to further hurt the 31 st District. Team Smith is in the pocket of the Governor - they will be afraid to stand up to the Governor and stand up for the 31st District, as their records have shown. The Jersey Journal further recog- nizes this problem with, "Until now, Democrats for Hudson County hasn't made McGreevey an issue, even though it has ammunition in the state's slashing of $8 mil- lion in Distressed Cities Aid to Jersey City and for other budget cuts that will hurt here. The time has come- make a change on June 3 rd. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 652 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:21:27 Subject: Smith Deserves to Lose The people of the 31st District have a clear choice. There's Glenn Cunningham who has pledged to fight for the interests of Jersey City and Bayonne. The "alternative" is Harvey Smith who has promised the power brokers that he will help them "take Glenn Cunningham out to the wood shed." It's a disgrace that Harvey Smith blatantly declares himself to be working for groups that want to turn Jersey City into a colony. All living outside of the 31st, they sneer at Jersey City and Bayonne, many priding themselves on having run away from those towns. People of the 31st, serve yourself, not those that want to see you in chains. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah posted Message 653 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:35:32 Subject: Re: Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for 31st District : Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for : 31st District : Urban Times News : May 23-May 29, 2003 : It is agreed upon throughout the : state that Governor James McGreevey is not : succeeding. In fact, The Jersey Journal pre- : sented a story entitled "McGreevey's poll : performance: Mr. Negative on all 9 issues." : The story then went on to list the Governor's : shortcomings by way of statewide voter dis- : approval with negative ratings related to the : state budget, education, the economy and : jobs, auto insurance, taxes in general and : property taxes.' This is what the people of : 'New Jersey have to say! : Obviously, Mr. McGreevey has : failed. What's worse for the 31st District, is : that he has deprived us of essential monetary : relief more than any other district in the : state. This year the taxpayers of Jersey City : will receive only $2 million. That is more : than an 80% decrease in tax relief since last : year! In comparison, much smaller towns : such as Union City ($4 million) and : Harrison ($3 million) received significantly more funding per resident. : Harrison, with a : population of only 14,400 will receive $207 : per person in distressed cities aide, while : Jersey City's population of 243,000 will receive only $8 per person. : Since Governor McGreevey has : been in office, Jersey City's state aid has : plummeted from $16 million to $2 million, : while our legislators stood by and collected : their multiple government salaries'.!! : Bayonne, on the other hand has : been labeled as one of the most tax trauma- : tized municipalities in the state by the Star : Ledger -- this is Joe Doria's home town. He : has done nothing to provide relief for the : 31st District after 24 years in the legislature! : Jim McGreevey and Joe Doria : have something in common: they both have : done nothing for the areas they are supposed : to serve. : Now, Governor McGreevey has : teamed up with Harvey Smith and Joe Doria : to further hurt the 31 st District. Team Smith : is in the pocket of the Governor - they will : be afraid to stand up to the Governor and : stand up for the 31st District, as their : records have shown. : The Jersey Journal further recog- : nizes this problem with, "Until now, : Democrats for Hudson County hasn't made : McGreevey an issue, even though it has : ammunition in the state's slashing of $8 mil- : lion in Distressed Cities Aid to Jersey City : and for other budget cuts that will hurt here. : The time has come- make a change on June 3 rd. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Greg Baumgarten posted Message 654 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:39:12 Subject: Re: Smith Deserves to Lose : The people of the 31st District have a clear choice. There's Glenn Cunningham who has pledged to fight for the interests of Jersey City and Bayonne. The "alternative" is Harvey Smith who has promised the power brokers that he will help them "take Glenn Cunningham out to the wood shed." It's a disgrace that Harvey Smith blatantly declares himself to be working for groups that want to turn Jersey City into a colony. All living outside of the 31st, they sneer at Jersey City and Bayonne, many priding themselves on having run away from those towns. : People of the 31st, serve yourself, not those that want to see you in chains. Why in heavens name would anyone in Bayonne vote for Glenn Cunningham? We have historically fought against Jersey City politicians who have tried to extend their influence to our town. And besides I am a firm believer that a State Senator should have a triple digit IQ. ***************** End Of Article ****************** aneesah posted Message 655 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:39:21 Subject: Re: Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for 31st District : : Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for : : 31st District : : Urban Times News : : May 23-May 29, 2003 : : It is agreed upon throughout the : : state that Governor James McGreevey is not : : succeeding. In fact, The Jersey Journal pre- This is a sad day for the 31 district, we are going backwards people, what is going on here: : : sented a story entitled "McGreevey's poll : : performance: Mr. Negative on all 9 issues." : : The story then went on to list the Governor's : : shortcomings by way of statewide voter dis- : : approval with negative ratings related to the : : state budget, education, the economy and : : jobs, auto insurance, taxes in general and : : property taxes.' This is what the people of : : 'New Jersey have to say! : : Obviously, Mr. McGreevey has : : failed. What's worse for the 31st District, is : : that he has deprived us of essential monetary : : relief more than any other district in the : : state. This year the taxpayers of Jersey City : : will receive only $2 million. That is more : : than an 80% decrease in tax relief since last : : year! In comparison, much smaller towns : : such as Union City ($4 million) and : : Harrison ($3 million) received significantly more funding per resident. : : Harrison, with a : : population of only 14,400 will receive $207 : : per person in distressed cities aide, while : : Jersey City's population of 243,000 will receive only $8 per person. : : Since Governor McGreevey has : : been in office, Jersey City's state aid has : : plummeted from $16 million to $2 million, : : while our legislators stood by and collected : : their multiple government salaries'.!! : : Bayonne, on the other hand has : : been labeled as one of the most tax trauma- : : tized municipalities in the state by the Star : : Ledger -- this is Joe Doria's home town. He : : has done nothing to provide relief for the : : 31st District after 24 years in the legislature! : : Jim McGreevey and Joe Doria : : have something in common: they both have : : done nothing for the areas they are supposed : : to serve. : : Now, Governor McGreevey has : : teamed up with Harvey Smith and Joe Doria : : to further hurt the 31 st District. Team Smith : : is in the pocket of the Governor - they will : : be afraid to stand up to the Governor and : : stand up for the 31st District, as their : : records have shown. : : The Jersey Journal further recog- : : nizes this problem with, "Until now, : : Democrats for Hudson County hasn't made : : McGreevey an issue, even though it has : : ammunition in the state's slashing of $8 mil- : : lion in Distressed Cities Aid to Jersey City : : and for other budget cuts that will hurt here. : : The time has come- make a change on June 3 rd. ***************** End Of Article ****************** aneesah posted Message 656 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:41:48 Subject: Re: Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for 31st District : : : Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for : : : 31st District : : : Urban Times News : : : May 23-May 29, 2003 : : : It is agreed upon throughout the : : : state that Governor James McGreevey is not : : : succeeding. In fact, The Jersey Journal pre- : This is a sad day for the 31 district, we are going backwards people, what is going on here: : : : sented a story entitled "McGreevey's poll : : : performance: Mr. Negative on all 9 issues." : : : The story then went on to list the Governor's : : : shortcomings by way of statewide voter dis- : : : approval with negative ratings related to the : : : state budget, education, the economy and : : : jobs, auto insurance, taxes in general and : : : property taxes.' This is what the people of : : : 'New Jersey have to say! : : : Obviously, Mr. McGreevey has : : : failed. What's worse for the 31st District, is : : : that he has deprived us of essential monetary : : : relief more than any other district in the : : : state. This year the taxpayers of Jersey City : : : will receive only $2 million. That is more : : : than an 80% decrease in tax relief since last : : : year! In comparison, much smaller towns : : : such as Union City ($4 million) and : : : Harrison ($3 million) received significantly more funding per resident. : : : Harrison, with a : : : population of only 14,400 will receive $207 : : : per person in distressed cities aide, while : : : Jersey City's population of 243,000 will receive only $8 per person. : : : Since Governor McGreevey has : : : been in office, Jersey City's state aid has : : : plummeted from $16 million to $2 million, : : : while our legislators stood by and collected : : : their multiple government salaries'.!! : : : Bayonne, on the other hand has : : : been labeled as one of the most tax trauma- : : : tized municipalities in the state by the Star : : : Ledger -- this is Joe Doria's home town. He : : : has done nothing to provide relief for the : : : 31st District after 24 years in the legislature! : : : Jim McGreevey and Joe Doria : : : have something in common: they both have : : : done nothing for the areas they are supposed : : : to serve. : : : Now, Governor McGreevey has : : : teamed up with Harvey Smith and Joe Doria : : : to further hurt the 31 st District. Team Smith : : : is in the pocket of the Governor - they will : : : be afraid to stand up to the Governor and : : : stand up for the 31st District, as their : : : records have shown. : : : The Jersey Journal further recog- : : : nizes this problem with, "Until now, : : : Democrats for Hudson County hasn't made : : : McGreevey an issue, even though it has : : : ammunition in the state's slashing of $8 mil- : : : lion in Distressed Cities Aid to Jersey City : : : and for other budget cuts that will hurt here. : : : The time has come- make a change on June 3 rd. This is so sad what is going on: What can the people do to help one another: Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** aneesah posted Message 657 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:43:25 Subject: Re: Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for 31st District : : Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for : : 31st District : : Urban Times News : : May 23-May 29, 2003 : : It is agreed upon throughout the : : state that Governor James McGreevey is not : : succeeding. In fact, The Jersey Journal pre- : : sented a story entitled "McGreevey's poll : : performance: Mr. Negative on all 9 issues." : : The story then went on to list the Governor's : : shortcomings by way of statewide voter dis- : : approval with negative ratings related to the : : state budget, education, the economy and : : jobs, auto insurance, taxes in general and : : property taxes.' This is what the people of : : 'New Jersey have to say! : : Obviously, Mr. McGreevey has : : failed. What's worse for the 31st District, is : : that he has deprived us of essential monetary : : relief more than any other district in the : : state. This year the taxpayers of Jersey City : : will receive only $2 million. That is more : : than an 80% decrease in tax relief since last : : year! In comparison, much smaller towns : : such as Union City ($4 million) and : : Harrison ($3 million) received significantly more funding per resident. : : Harrison, with a : : population of only 14,400 will receive $207 : : per person in distressed cities aide, while : : Jersey City's population of 243,000 will receive only $8 per person. : : Since Governor McGreevey has : : been in office, Jersey City's state aid has : : plummeted from $16 million to $2 million, : : while our legislators stood by and collected : : their multiple government salaries'.!! : : Bayonne, on the other hand has : : been labeled as one of the most tax trauma- : : tized municipalities in the state by the Star : : Ledger -- this is Joe Doria's home town. He : : has done nothing to provide relief for the : : 31st District after 24 years in the legislature! : : Jim McGreevey and Joe Doria : : have something in common: they both have : : done nothing for the areas they are supposed : : to serve. : : Now, Governor McGreevey has : : teamed up with Harvey Smith and Joe Doria : : to further hurt the 31 st District. Team Smith : : is in the pocket of the Governor - they will : : be afraid to stand up to the Governor and : : stand up for the 31st District, as their : : records have shown. : : The Jersey Journal further recog- : : nizes this problem with, "Until now, : : Democrats for Hudson County hasn't made : : McGreevey an issue, even though it has : : ammunition in the state's slashing of $8 mil- : : lion in Distressed Cities Aid to Jersey City : : and for other budget cuts that will hurt here. : : The time has come- make a change on June 3 rd. This is a sad day and time what can the people do to help make this better: Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** aneesah posted Message 658 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:45:39 Subject: Re: Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for 31st District : : : Message from Lou Manzo: McGreevey + Current Legislators are no good for : : : 31st District : : : Urban Times News : : : May 23-May 29, 2003 : : : It is agreed upon throughout the : : : state that Governor James McGreevey is not : : : succeeding. In fact, The Jersey Journal pre- : This is a sad day for the 31 district, we are going backwards people, what is going on here: : : : sented a story entitled "McGreevey's poll : : : performance: Mr. Negative on all 9 issues." : : : The story then went on to list the Governor's : : : shortcomings by way of statewide voter dis- : : : approval with negative ratings related to the : : : state budget, education, the economy and : : : jobs, auto insurance, taxes in general and : : : property taxes.' This is what the people of : : : 'New Jersey have to say! : : : Obviously, Mr. McGreevey has : : : failed. What's worse for the 31st District, is : : : that he has deprived us of essential monetary : : : relief more than any other district in the : : : state. This year the taxpayers of Jersey City : : : will receive only $2 million. That is more : : : than an 80% decrease in tax relief since last : : : year! In comparison, much smaller towns : : : such as Union City ($4 million) and : : : Harrison ($3 million) received significantly more funding per resident. : : : Harrison, with a : : : population of only 14,400 will receive $207 : : : per person in distressed cities aide, while : : : Jersey City's population of 243,000 will receive only $8 per person. : : : Since Governor McGreevey has : : : been in office, Jersey City's state aid has : : : plummeted from $16 million to $2 million, : : : while our legislators stood by and collected : : : their multiple government salaries'.!! : : : Bayonne, on the other hand has : : : been labeled as one of the most tax trauma- : : : tized municipalities in the state by the Star : : : Ledger -- this is Joe Doria's home town. He : : : has done nothing to provide relief for the : : : 31st District after 24 years in the legislature! : : : Jim McGreevey and Joe Doria : : : have something in common: they both have : : : done nothing for the areas they are supposed : : : to serve. : : : Now, Governor McGreevey has : : : teamed up with Harvey Smith and Joe Doria : : : to further hurt the 31 st District. Team Smith : : : is in the pocket of the Governor - they will : : : be afraid to stand up to the Governor and : : : stand up for the 31st District, as their : : : records have shown. : : : The Jersey Journal further recog- : : : nizes this problem with, "Until now, : : : Democrats for Hudson County hasn't made : : : McGreevey an issue, even though it has : : : ammunition in the state's slashing of $8 mil- : : : lion in Distressed Cities Aid to Jersey City : : : and for other budget cuts that will hurt here. : : : The time has come- make a change on June 3 rd. This is so sad what can the people of Jersey City and Bayonne do to help one another: Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah posted Message 659 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 08:48:35 Subject: Re: Jersey City Reporter: "Rep. Bob Menendez (D-13th Dist.) seems to be mending political fences with Cunningham, before an expected Cunningham primary victory." : : . . . : Rep. Bob Menendez (D-13th Dist.) seems to be mending political fences with Cunningham, before an expected Cunningham primary victory. Several statements issued out of Menendez's office hinted at peacemaking. This is a wise political move. If Cunningham wins, he will carry significant clout. Better to make overtures now than later when such moves might be seen as groveling. : . . . : For the complete article, see the Link. God answers all prayers in his time not ours: Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat o'melia posted Message 660 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 12:35:05 Subject: Election show 9PM Hudson County's Talking am 1430 Election eve show, Smith Vs Cunningham, Doria Vs Manzo, Chiapone Vs Perez-Cinciarelli (ok no juice there) DeGise Vs Not a pray. all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! 877-999-0799 ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 661 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 14:20:15 Subject: Re: Election show 9PM Hudson County's Talking am 1430 There's now an Online archive for Pat's radio show. Please see the Link. : Election eve show, Smith Vs Cunningham, Doria Vs Manzo, Chiapone Vs Perez-Cinciarelli (ok no juice there) DeGise Vs Not a pray. all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! 877-999-0799 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, UTN posted Message 662 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 02, 2003 at 21:45:55 Subject: UNCLE HARVEY–BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY HCDO: $250K UNCLE HARVEY–BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY HCDO: $250K Steven Glazer -email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City—If there was any doubt where Harvey Smith’s loyalty lies, recent campaign finance reports filed with the State of New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission dispel any that might remain. Reports filed by “L. Harvey Smith for Senate Campaign Committee” clearly show that the Hudson County Democratic Organization has paid $251, 367.91 for Harvey Smith’s entire negative campaign against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. Former Hudson County Executive Bob Janizewski, now testifying at the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon, was head of the HCDO until his indictment in late 2000. All but $18,100.00 came from HCDO direct contributions and $7,000 that came from the account of “Campaign Committee for Smith,” remaining from Harvey’s municipal campaign funds. Legal sources familiar with current campaign finance law say that the transfer of funds from a municipal campaign account to a different campaign is clearly in violation of the law. Nevertheless, those attorneys say the issue is whether contributors who would donate to a campaign for a municipal office like city council would make a contribution to the same candidate if the candidate were running for a different office. “Those contributors might feel the candidate were qualified for one office but not for the other. Or they might like the candidate but prefer a different candidate for the other office. The intent of the law is clearly that the transfer of funds in this fashion deprives the contributor of a choice. It is a type of fraud,” Ironically, Smith’s running mate, Joe “Fat Joe” Doria of Bayonne requested and received an advisory opinion on the legality of exactly this type of transfer of funds. Doria wanted to use funds from his Bayonne Mayoral campaign for his State Assembly seat. The New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission told Doria at the time that such a transfer was flatly prohibited. Smith was not available for comment. The balance of Smith’s campaign expenditures, roughly $225,000, came directly in the form of “in kind” contributions from the Hudson County Democratic Organization. A contribution of $43,000 was reported to the NJELEC on May 5, 2003 and $182, 042.91 was reported May 30, 2003, totaling $225, 042.91. The contributions were made not in cash but “in kind” meaning that the HCDO picked up the tab directly for campaign expenses incurred on Harvey’s behalf and charging his campaign for the outlays, rather than putting that much cash in the candidate’s own hands directly. A spokesman for the Cunningham campaign said that while it was a considerable amount to expend for a primary, far more than Cunningham, Smith had run an entirely negative campaign aimed a bringing down Cunningham’s high popularity and approval ratings. “They have nothing good to say about their candidate so all they can do is sling mud at Glenn. They cannot even find any good mud—there is none. They just burned up a great deal of money for a destructive purpose. The voters are not easily fooled. If they had anything of substance to say they would have said it explicitly and not implied, and used innuendo. But what can they say about Harvey? Can they talk about all his achievements? Can they talk about his record? Can they talk about his character? All they can do is try to degrade Glenn Cunningham.” The primary campaign comes to its conclusion just as the corruption trial heats up with Janizewski naming names and detailing how the scheme of institutionalized corruption worked. The only thing different now is that Janizewski is cooperating with the prosecution in return for a lighter sentence for himself. ***************** End Of Article ****************** John V Kenny posted Message 663 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 00:55:33 Subject: Re: Uncle Harvey Rises Dramatically in Poles : UNCLE HARVEY RISES DRAMATICALLY IN POLES : Jay Stevens email: jstevens@urbantimesnews.com : …FROM “INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP” : Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, aka Uncle Harvey, has recently risen dramatically in the poles according to his own press releases. We believe him. Even if the statement is self-serving, that does not mean that it isn’t true. And we are glad because they could only have gone up. We are not sure if it is possible to have a negative name recognition factor. That would make Harvey the equivalent of a black hole in marketing. Of course Harvey is hoping that we would take that to mean opinion polls. : What he really means is utility poles. He has risen sharply. That is mostly due to his recent hiring of very tall campaign workers, particularly Arnold Williams. Because of his great height and reach, Williams is able to affix campaign literature to the poles much higher from the ground than they had been. Williams single-handedly accounts for the reason Harvey has risen so sharply in the poles or on the polls. The Poles don't Vote, People Do , Is Uncle Harvey and His Giant going to clean up the Poles after He Loses ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dirt Bag Glazer posted Message 664 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 06:30:52 Subject: Re: UNCLE HARVEY–BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY HCDO: $250K Hey dirt bag, you stayed away from the "Uncle Harvey" but went right for the personal insult to Joe Doria. Same challenge punk, say it to his face. And Glenn must be so proud to accept cash from such a pillar of the community as Bob Torricelli. And by the way who did Janisewski support for mayor? Seems to me he spent a considerable amount of his ill gotten cash on Cunningham's campaign. Glenn can hide behind the flag, the Corps, his wife, Gerry McCann, the star and any other bit of suberfuge but like you he will always be a dirt bag of the first class. Pay back is a female dog and its a-coming slime ball. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 665 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 10:40:44 Subject: "...targeted...for harassment at the polls. " Jersey Journal 06/03/03 Peter Weiss . . . In a letter sent Friday to Christopher Christie, the U.S. attorney for New Jersey, Cunningham accuses opponents of "behavior that makes it likely that (the primary). . will be plagued with election violations." He said he was informed by a county elections worker, whom he didn't identify, that voters in Jersey City's predominantly African-American area would be being targeted for harassment at the polls. Cunningham also implied that the state cannot be relied on for impartial supervision because Gov. James E. McGreevey "has made the very unusual step of endorsing" Smith in the primary. "This is the first we're hearing of it," a spokesman for Christie said yesterday afternoon, adding that the letter had not arrived. He said it was highly unlikely that the "11th hour request" could be honored. HCDO Executive Director Javier Inclan said Cunningham's letter was politically motivated and "ironic" because Cunningham "has surrounded himself" with several advisers who were accused in the 1985 Jersey City municipal election of thwarting minority voters. The case was settled by an insurance firm for some $600,000. . . . For the complete piece, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jonathan J. Oriole posted Message 666 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 11:11:10 Subject: Get Out and Vote Today for Progressive Independents! Dear Friends and Supporters, It's that time of year again -- primary elections! Unfortunately, as you probably know, there is no primary election for the Green Party (or any other "minor party") in New Jersey. But that doesn't mean that we can't have an impact on the outcome of these elections. To the contrary -- many of you are still registered as Democrats or Republicans, or are "unaffiliated" in terms of party declaration. If you are unaffiliated or registered as independent, you have the choice of voting in either party's primary, but doing so will declare your affiliation with that party -- which you can change after the election, if you choose. Historically, most races in Hudson County are determined in the Democratic primary. The Democrats know this, which is why the two big machines are pouring their resources into this race and are happily slinging the mud at each other. However, two candidates running as Democrats stand out of the crowd: * For COUNTY EXECUTIVE, JAIME VAZQUEZ is running as an "independent" Democratic candidate. He has been involved in the peace and justice movement for years and is a strong ally of many progressive causes. * In the 31st District, VINCENT MILITELLO, JR., is running as an independent candidate for STATE SENATE. He has worked on behalf of the people of Hudson County as Assistant Prosecutor and is not party of any party "machine." I am convinced that he is an independent who would work for the good of the people of Hudson County, and not serve the big corporate patrons of the Hudson County Democratic Organization. As for the rest of the slate, I would encourage everyone in the 31st District to write in PAMELA OLSEN and myself (JONATHAN J. ORIOLE) for STATE ASSEMBLY -- on both the Democratic and Repulican tickets. In the 33rd District, please write in MARIA RIOS for STATE ASSEMBLY on whichever party you vote. Yes, you have every right to write in ANYONE YOU CHOOSE as a candidate for the primary nomination. Your support for the Green Party -- and supportive, independent Democrats -- is greatly appreciated. I look forward to hearing from you as our campaign for the November General Election continues on its way. Best wishes for a healthy and enjoyable summer! In Peace and Pride, Jonathan J. Oriole Green Party Candidate for NJ State Assembly, 31st District Jonathan@OrioleforAssembly.org tel: 646.239.8623 *NOTE* -- This political endorsement is a personal one and should not be construed as an official endorsement on behalf of the Green Party of Hudson County or any of its affiliates. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jonathan J. Oriole posted Message 667 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 11:12:26 Subject: Get Out and Vote Today for Progressive Independents! Dear Friends and Supporters, It's that time of year again -- primary elections! Unfortunately, as you probably know, there is no primary election for the Green Party (or any other "minor party") in New Jersey. But that doesn't mean that we can't have an impact on the outcome of these elections. To the contrary -- many of you are still registered as Democrats or Republicans, or are "unaffiliated" in terms of party declaration. If you are unaffiliated or registered as independent, you have the choice of voting in either party's primary, but doing so will declare your affiliation with that party -- which you can change after the election, if you choose. Historically, most races in Hudson County are determined in the Democratic primary. The Democrats know this, which is why the two big machines are pouring their resources into this race and are happily slinging the mud at each other. However, two candidates running as Democrats stand out of the crowd: * For COUNTY EXECUTIVE, JAIME VAZQUEZ is running as an "independent" Democratic candidate. He has been involved in the peace and justice movement for years and is a strong ally of many progressive causes. * In the 31st District, VINCENT MILITELLO, JR., is running as an independent candidate for STATE SENATE. He has worked on behalf of the people of Hudson County as Assistant Prosecutor and is not party of any party "machine." I am convinced that he is an independent who would work for the good of the people of Hudson County, and not serve the big corporate patrons of the Hudson County Democratic Organization. As for the rest of the slate, I would encourage everyone in the 31st District to write in PAMELA OLSEN and myself (JONATHAN J. ORIOLE) for STATE ASSEMBLY -- on both the Democratic and Repulican tickets. In the 33rd District, please write in MARIA RIOS for STATE ASSEMBLY on whichever party you vote. Yes, you have every right to write in ANYONE YOU CHOOSE as a candidate for the primary nomination. Your support for the Green Party -- and supportive, independent Democrats -- is greatly appreciated. I look forward to hearing from you as our campaign for the November General Election continues on its way. Best wishes for a healthy and enjoyable summer! In Peace and Pride, Jonathan J. Oriole Green Party Candidate for NJ State Assembly, 31st District Jonathan@OrioleforAssembly.org tel: 646.239.8623 *NOTE* -- This political endorsement is a personal one and should not be construed as an official endorsement on behalf of the Green Party of Hudson County or any of its affiliates. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Menendez and Harvey posted Message 668 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 12:08:45 Subject: Re: Bribers of Janiszewski - COOPERATING WITH GOVERNMENT I would not be suprised if i see the Congressman and city council join Janiszewski. : Janiszewski lists payers of bribes at trial of Colon : Saturday, May 31, 2003 : By PETER J. SAMPSON : STAFF WRITER : : NEWARK - Former Hudson County Executive Robert C. Janiszewski on Friday said waterfront developer Joseph Barry and political consultant Paul Byrne were among seven people who paid him tens of thousands of dollars in bribes for favors. : The revelation came during questioning by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey D. Clark on the second day of testimony in the corruption trial of longtime Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon. : Colon is facing charges of mail fraud and aiding and abetting extortion for allegedly delivering two $5,000 cash payments to Janiszewski from her former boyfriend, psychiatrist Oscar Sandoval, in 1999. : In return for the payments, Janiszewski said, Sandoval's contracts to provide psychiatric services to the county jail and hospital were renewed and expanded. : Janiszewski, the once-powerful Democrat who served six years in the Assembly and 16 as Hudson's top elected official, pleaded guilty in October to receiving $20,000 in bribes from Sandoval. : As part of a deal, he said, he agreed to work with the FBI and secretly recorded conversations with associates in the hope that his cooperation will win him a more lenient sentence. : Detailing a litany of "other illegal acts," Janiszewski disclosed that he accepted cash payments "directly" from Barry, president of the Applied Companies, a major developer of housing in Hoboken, Jersey City, and North Bergen. : Janiszewski also said that on two occasions before his cooperation, Byrne - his boyhood friend and confidant - acted as an intermediary for payments of $30,000 and $20,000 from Barry in connection with his developments. : Janiszewski described the payments as "essentially a kickback" for approval of low-interest loans and grants and said the agreement called for an "ultimate amount of $305,000" to be split between him and Byrne. He also referred to the payments as "bribes." : Barry, whose Hoboken offices were raided by the FBI last year, has denied any wrongdoing. Neither he nor his attorney could be reached for comment Friday. : Byrne had only one comment on the testimony: "This is the political equivalent of John Gotti ratting out his bookies." : Janiszewski said he also accepted periodic cash payments of $2,000 to $3,000 from Byrne, bond underwriter John "Jay" Booth, and three accountants who had county contracts. : Janiszewski said Byrne "fashioned himself as a government consultant" who helped clients obtain county contracts and grants and access to Janiszewski. : Janiszewski testified that Booth paid him a total of $9,000 over the years in connection with bond underwriting deals, including the financing of construction of the county jail. : He said Booth acted once as an intermediary for an engineering firm. Booth could not be reached for comment Friday. : Prosecutors, who sought to keep the vendors' names secret but were overruled by the judge on Thursday, declined to answer any questions about their status. On Thursday, they said SOME WERE COOPERATING and others might never be charged. : Janiszewski detailed the payoffs he received from Sandoval, who began cooperating with the FBI in June 1999 and helped snare Janiszewski. : Accustomed to receiving campaign checks from Sandoval, Janiszewski said he was surprised when he met Colon at her political club in 1996 and she handed him an envelope with $10,000 cash. She told him the money was from Sandoval and that he could do whatever he wanted with it, he testified. : Although it wasn't his first bribe, Janiszewski said, the transaction was "burned into my memory" because it was the first time he had accepted cash from another elected official. It also meant Colon knew he was on the take, he said. : Sandoval once tried to give him an envelope in his county office, but fearful of being "exposed," Janiszewski said, he encouraged the doctor to take it back by writing a note on a pad saying something like "wrong time, wrong place, not now." : Janiszewski said he avoided Sandoval for more than a year after that until Colon told him that the doctor wanted to get back in his good graces. : "She asked me if she could be the liaison between Dr. Sandoval and I," he said, and believing that "Sandoval would not intentionally hurt Ms. Colon," he agreed. : Shortly after that, he said, Colon passed him envelopes with $5,000 from Sandoval in September and October of 1999, first in the hallway outside his office in the old county courthouse and then at a political event. : The trial was recessed until Tuesday, when Janiszewski is to resume his testimony. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 669 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 12:58:30 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking: Rename the Loew's Jersey to the Nathan Lane Theatre? Rename the Loew's Jersey to the Nathan Lane Theatre? That's what the some in Weehawken and Secaucus want done. And if they get their way, will Kennedy Boulevard then become Nathan Lane Lane? The future appelation of the Journal Square Theatre and June 3rd's primary are the burning issues in the June 2nd broadcast. For an Online recording, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 670 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 20:12:32 Subject: Cunningham Hq: Glenn is winning Cunningham Headquarters relates that Glenn is winning by a wide margin. They say that Manzo and Chiapone are ahead, too. ***************** End Of Article ****************** A FRIEND! posted Message 671 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 03, 2003 at 21:01:36 Subject: THANK YOU BAYONNE! Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith carried Bayonne by a wide margin over Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham in the 31st district. Smith won 4,020 votes to Cunningham's 1,317. Vincent Militello, a Bayonne resident, finished second with 2,468 votes. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, UTN posted Message 672 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 00:30:04 Subject: CUNNINGHAM, MANZO, CHIAPPONE, THE EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES- CUNNINGHAM, MANZO, CHIAPPONE THE EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES- UNCLE HARVEY, FAT JOE CRASH AND BURN Steven Glazer, UTN- email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City—The Hudson County Democratic Organization stumbled badly, spending more than $1 Million to damage Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham and instead came away bloodied, losing resoundingly, with the fall of Bayonne Mayor Joe Doria, a 24-year veteran. In Jersey City, Mayor Glenn Cunningham trounced L. Harvey “Uncle Harvey” Smith for the 31st District Senate Seat in a walk. Anthony Chiappone, a freshman Bayonne Council member upset the incumbent Mayor Doria, an HCDO “made” guy, for 31st District Assembly seat that Doria has held 24 years. Former Freeholder Louis Manzo, with his power base on Jersey City’s West Side, convincingly took a second 31st District Assembly seat for the Cunningham ticket. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ham sandwich posted Message 673 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 02:01:56 Subject: Re: THANK YOU BAYONNE! : Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith carried Bayonne by a wide margin over Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham in the 31st district. Smith won 4,020 votes to Cunningham's 1,317. Vincent Militello, a Bayonne resident, finished second with 2,468 votes. : ***************** End Of Article ****************** winner posted Message 674 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 02:26:33 Subject: ty for nothing bayonne I must say that I am so ashamed of the Bayonne voters who did not only not support Tony Chiappone who has proven to work so hard for our city of Bayonne, but played a race card in this election should get what they deserve. Now that he is our "NEW" Assemblyman, Bayonne will be a better place no thanks to you! Shame Shame Shame! Now let the Berlin Wall fall, and all you phonies who said you supported him get what you all deserve. We know who you are. To be so intimidated by this man (and you know who I am talking about) is a disgrace but now his reign has come to an end and I say "Thank God". The honest people have spoken and it was not the voice of Bayonne! Again as a resident of Bayonne I am so ashamed of those of you from Bayonne who were so foolish for the jaded choice you have made... ***************** End Of Article ****************** IT'S GREAT!!! posted Message 675 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 03:52:52 Subject: The statue of yet another TYRANT falls!!! It took the Marines and they had to fight hard each step along the way, BUT THEY WON!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** First Mississippi, then South African, now Hudson County posted Message 676 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 04:01:47 Subject: NEW YORK TIMES, Glenn Biggest Winner NEW YORK TIMES By DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI Among Democrats, Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham of Jersey City emerged as the biggest winner in today's primaries, capturing the nomination for State Senate in the 31st District over Harvey Smith, who had the backing of Representative Robert Menendez, Gov. James E. McGreevey and the State General Assembly speaker, Albio Sires. By using his base in Jersey City to face down the biggest powers in the state, Mr. Cunningham, a former U.S. marshal, has established himself as a substantial force in Democratic politics. If he wins in November, the tradition of senatorial courtesy, which allows a state senator veto power over any appointment in his district, would give Mr. Cunningham substantial clout with which to challenge Mr. Menendez's control of Hudson County. "Not only did I win, but my whole slate won," Mr. Cunningham said, referring to the legislative candidates he had been supporting. "What it means is that the time of machine tactics is dead, and that the negative campaign tactics that people use is a turnoff to the people." Mr. Cunningham also said that he hoped his victory sent a message. "Bob Menendez is a good congressman, but he wants to be other things. He shouldn't be trying to run cities, and now, others are seeing that they can be free from the machine." Political incumbents generally fared well across the state, but Joseph V. Doria, the former speaker of the General Assembly, appeared to be in a close race in his bid for the Democratic nomination in his Hudson County Assembly district. He had been expected to win handily over his three opponents, Louis Manzo, Anthony Chiappone and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Militello for State Senate posted Message 677 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 05:00:49 Subject: Militello: Bayonne and Jersey City Win on Tuesday Militello: Bayonne and Jersey City Win on Tuesday ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 678 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 06:52:11 Subject: NJN Video: Glenn Wins Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham won the Democrat nomination for the State Senate in the 31st legislative district. To view the NJN video, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 679 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 07:48:34 Subject: Jersey Journal: BIG WIN FOR GLENN BIG WIN FOR GLENN Cunningham amd Chiappone edge organization candidates; too close to call between Doria, Manzo Jersey Journal Wednesday, June 04, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal staff writer Walking into Puccini's restaurant in Jersey City to the strains of the Marine Corps hymn, Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham claimed a "wonderful" political victory last night by winning the Democratic nomination for state Senate in the 31st District. At least one of his running mates for Assembly appeared to also have won one of two nominations, but the second spot was very much in doubt last night, when county elections officials closed up with eight districts unreported in Jersey City. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Henson posted Message 680 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 12:45:18 Subject: Doria vs. Manzo headed for a recount There's no wiggle room in the Doria vs. Manzo Assembly contest. Word's out that Doria hired a lawyer already. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Been Fooled Before posted Message 681 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 14:02:08 Subject: Re: Militello: Bayonne and Jersey City Win on Tuesday : Militello: Bayonne and Jersey City Win on Tuesday There have been other "new stars" in Bayonne politics before, does anyone remember Len Kiczek, (is He a judge yet?)but they all seem to sell out to the good old boy Democratic Organization. Milittello started out great but will this new star burn out just like the others before him? I sure hope not but only time will tell. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Henson posted Message 682 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 17:18:08 Subject: Re: Doria vs. Manzo headed for a recount Latest is that Manzo's got it. The Cunningham team neatly took out a HCDO keystone. : There's no wiggle room in the Doria vs. Manzo Assembly contest. Word's out that Doria hired a lawyer already. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN CLASIFIEDS posted Message 683 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 19:26:25 Subject: CONCERT TICKETS SOUVENIR CONCERT TICKETS-COLLECTIBLE UNSOLD MINT CONDITION FAT JOE & UNCLE HARVEY… RAP& RUN Call Pat O. at JC'S Talking ALSO: BENEFIT TICKETS TO: EXHIBITION BOXING MATCH ONE ROUND ONLY Darrell Laval v. Leonard H. Smith (on a street corner to be announced) Parking available at additional cost ***************** End Of Article ****************** Our new leader ......scary ........huh! posted Message 684 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 23:43:13 Subject: Smut that the Cunningham team did to win! Top News Flier 'reports' Smith clash exactly wrong in effort to mislead Wednesday, June 04, 2003 By Martin Espinoza Journal staff writer Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. But yesterday, a bit of nasty Election Day fiction was distributed in Jersey City and Bayonne because the truth was apparently just too tame. According to a flier that was made to look like a Jersey Journal news item, Jersey City Council President and state Senate hopeful L. Harvey Smith "was convicted of aggravated assault on the manager of a public housing complex and sentenced to 90 days incarceration." But the phony flier was lying. Smith was never convicted of such an attack and, in fact, the dispute that provided the seed for the dirty trick ended with Smith and the housing manager shaking hands. The flier, which was dated "June 2, 2003" and carried The Jersey Journal nameplate without authorization, misrepresented the facts of a court case detailed in a May 9 Journal article about Smith and Darrell Laval, the manager of the Booker T. Washington housing complex. Laval had accused Smith of shoving and cursing at him April 23 when Smith was campaigning at the complex. Smith denied there had been any physical contact and filed a harassment complaint against Laval on April 24. In turn, Laval filed a formal complaint against Smith. Both and Smith and Laval withdrew their complaints when they appeared before Municipal Court Chief Judge Cynthia Jackson on May 8. Before walking into Jackson's courtroom, Smith and Laval shook hands and spoke privately for a few moments. The unknown writers of the deceitful flier further invented the outcome of the case to say the sentence for the veteran educator and councilman "was suspended so Smith will not be locked up, but he must perform 300 hours of community service." Smith was running against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Bayonne attorney Vincent Militello in yesterday's 31st District Democratic primary. Smith called the flier "a desperate move" on the part of Cunningham supporters "who don't have any real issues to talk about. They're playing the community as ignorant." Stan Eason, Cunningham's spokesman, said neither Cunningham nor any of the other candidates on his slate was responsible for the flier. Martin Espinoza can be reached at mespinoz@jjournal.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS DO IT IN FRONT OF A BUILDING THAT HAD VIDEO CAMS DIRECTED AT THE STREET. I LOVE IT! and guess who is on the tape! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steve Glazer how life down there? u r i 2 i with worms! posted Message 685 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 04, 2003 at 23:55:48 Subject: Re: CONCERT TICKETS Should we make the check payable to: The Patti Labelle show or maybe the Juv. Diab. fund our how bout' just to Bobby and Joe show. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 686 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:18:47 Subject: Jersey Journal: Chiappone and Manzo top Doria by nearly 500 votes Ex-speaker won't even have Assembly seat Chiappone and Manzo top Doria by nearly 500 votes Jersey Journal Thursday, June 05, 2003 By Martin Espinoza Journal staff writer By 2 p.m. yesterday, all eight missing voter tally sheets from Tuesday's primary were on the desk of Hilda Rosario, the Hudson County clerk's supervisor of elections. The sheets contained the information everyone wanted to know: The final results of Tuesday's primary, one that had 12-term state Assemblyman and Bayonne Mayor Joseph V. Doria's career in Trenton hanging in the balance. According to tally sheets Rosario read to a group of report- ers, attorneys and others who had converged on her office, former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo was unofficially ahead of Doria by 448 votes in the 31st District. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 687 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:22:29 Subject: Jersey Journal: Doria got the vote out, but may lose Trenton job Doria got the vote out, but may lose Trenton job Jersey Journal Thursday, June 05, 2003 By Ronald Leir Journal staff writer He had the money, he had the campaign workers and he had the high-powered connections, but he could lose his Assembly seat. Bayonne Mayor Joseph V. Doria Jr.'s 24-year career in the Legislature, which included a two-year stint as Assembly speaker in the early 1990s, may have ended Tuesday night in a stunning upset - although he hasn't conceded the race, and a recount seemed inevitable today as Hudson County election officials continued counting vote tallies from Tuesday's Democratic primary. But the unofficial results give the edge to the candidates on Row B - the slate led by state Senate candidate Glenn D. Cunningham, the Jersey City mayor - and appear to show Louis Manzo edged out Doria in a close race for the second Assembly seat in the 31st District. Bayonne Councilman-at-Large Anthony Chiappone appears to be the clear winner for the district's other Assembly seat. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 688 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:24:57 Subject: Jersey Journal: Manzo credits criticism of gov's budget for win Manzo credits criticism of gov's budget for win Jersey Journal Thursday, June 05, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal news staff Louis Manzo of Jersey City is one Democrat who has shown no reluctance to criticize Gov. James E. McGreevey's budget, and he says it helped him wrest a Democratic nomination for state Assembly in the 31st District where two incumbents now serve. "I made this a referendum on the governor's budget," Manzo said yesterday, after being declared a winner when absentee ballots and eight missing districts were tallied by Hudson County elections officials. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 689 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:31:11 Subject: Jersey Journal: Janiszewski takes pounding on stand Janiszewski takes pounding on stand Davila-Colon's lawyer rips ex-exec's credibility Jersey Journal Thursday, June 05, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer NEWARK - The attorney representing Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon in her federal corruption trial continued yesterday to pound away at the credibility of former County Executive Robert Janiszewski, the government's star witness, portraying him as a perennial liar who is testifying in the case to draw a lighter jail sentence. Janiszewski, the four-term county executive and former Democratic powerbroker, generally remained calm while on the stand, repeating his allegations that Davila-Colon passed him thousands of dollars in bribe money from Dr. Oscar Sandoval, a Union City psychiatrist who held county contracts, during the 1990s. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 690 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:40:06 Subject: Jersey Journal: For pal of 50 years, Janiszewski's betrayal is 'heartbreaking' For pal of 50 years, Janiszewski's betrayal is 'heartbreaking' Jersey Journal Thursday, June 05, 2003 By Jeff Whelan Newhouse News Service In the 1950s, Bob Janiszewski and Paul Byrne were altar boys together at St. Joseph's Church on Pavonia Avenue in Jersey City. Before long, they were inseparable. Janiszewski went on to become one of the most powerful Democrats in the state, and Byrne, his most trusted confidant, was there to help guide his climb up the ladder. So Byrne said he was "heartbroken" when, last Friday, Janiszewski turned on him in federal court in what Byrne describes as an act of unspeakable betrayal. Byrne, who is 57, suffers from diabetes and is blind, said he agreed to go public with his comments in an interview because "I can fall over any day." . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 691 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:41:44 Subject: Jersey Journal: Jury is shown a rendezvous caught on tape Jury is shown a rendezvous caught on tape Janiszewski: $5G delivered in cash Jersey Journal Wednesday, June 04, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer NEWARK - Former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski spent his third day on the witness stand yesterday, testifying for the government as a videotape of him and Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon was played, and then facing a tense cross-examination. Although it isn't seen on the FBI videotape shot at a Democratic fund-raiser on Oct. 15, 1999, Janiszewski testified that at a point when he and Davila-Colon were out of camera range, she passed him an envelope stuffed with cash. . . . ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 692 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:44:50 Subject: Star Ledger: Janiszewski says he split bribes from key developer Janiszewski says he split bribes from key developer Ex-Hudson official admits being 'a crook' and 'an extortionist' Star Ledger Thursday, June 05, 2003 BY JOHN P. MARTIN Star-Ledger Staff Former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski said yesterday that he and an aide arranged to divvy up $305,000 in bribes from Joe Barry, one of the region's most prominent developers. Testifying for a third day in the corruption trial of a county freeholder, Janiszewksi said he and Paul Byrne, a longtime friend and political operative, agreed in late 1999 or early 2000 to take the kickbacks for helping Barry win federal subsidies and county approval for his developments. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 693 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 05, 2003 at 08:48:10 Subject: Star Ledger: Doria fights to hold onto Assembly seat Doria fights to hold onto Assembly seat Former speaker demands recount of upset loss in Hudson; vote totals not certified yet Star Ledger Thursday, June 05, 2003 BY JEFF WHELAN AND JONATHAN SCHUPPE Star-Ledger Staff In a last-ditch effort to salvage a 23-year career in the Legislature, Assemblyman Joseph Doria said yesterday he would demand a recount of unofficial election results that showed him losing Tuesday's Democratic primary. Caught in the crossfire of a feud between two warring Hudson County Democratic power brokers, Doria trailed challenger Louis Manzo in the unofficial tally yesterday, 10,460 to 10,908. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 694 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 06, 2003 at 08:04:55 Subject: Star Ledger: Doria, Manzo mull legal action in Assembly upset Doria, Manzo mull legal action in Assembly upset Star Ledger Friday, June 06, 2003 BY DAVID KINNEY Star-Ledger Staff Assemblyman Joseph Doria hired an attorney with expertise on elections yesterday to help him consider how to challenge the vote count that shows him losing his legislative seat after 23 years. Meanwhile the apparent winner, Louis Manzo, said he would file a complaint against the Hudson County Democratic organization for allegedly trying to suppress the vote in Tuesday's primary. . . . For the complete story, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 695 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 06, 2003 at 08:08:13 Subject: Jersey Journal: Jury hears Sandoval's tapes of Davila-Colon Jury hears Sandoval's tapes of Davila-Colon Also, FBI agent tells of watching bribe hand-off not caught on video Jersey Journal Friday, June 06, 2003 By Jason Fink Journal staff writer NEWARK - Union City psychiatrist Dr. Oscar Sandoval taped his then-girlfriend Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon as the two discussed ways to hand off cash-stuffed envelopes to Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski, FBI agents testified yesterday. The jury of five men and seven women never hear Davila-Colon or Sandoval refer to bribes or money on the tapes; instead, they refer to "envelopes," "stuff" or "the thing." . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 696 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 06, 2003 at 08:13:36 Subject: Jersey Journal: Tale of the tapes Tale of the tapes Jersey Journal Friday, June 06, 2003 Transcripts of conversations recorded by the FBI that have been entered into evidence by the government at the trial of Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon: On Aug. 16, 1999, Dr. Oscar Sandoval talked with Davila-Colon about an envelope she gave to Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski several years earlier. Janiszewski has testified that the envelope was full of cash. . . . For the complete story, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 697 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 06, 2003 at 08:16:56 Subject: Jersey Journal: Bayonne just wasn't big enough Bayonne just wasn't big enough Jersey Journal Friday, June 06, 2003 Peter Weiss Tuesday's 31st District Democratic legislative primary was very much a tale of two cities. Bayonne Mayor Joseph Doria did what he had to do in his city and Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham did what he had to do in his city. Turnouts in each was around 50 percent - an impressive total for a primary. Unfortunately for Doria and his Hudson County Democratic Organization running mates, almost two-thirds of the district's registered Democrats live in Jersey City. That's why Cunningham is the Democratic nominee for state Senate and Doria, the Hudson County Democratic Organization candidate, will be out after 24 years in the Assembly. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN CLASSIFIEDS posted Message 698 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 06, 2003 at 13:40:58 Subject: BENEFIT CONCERT TICKETS ON SALE NOW BENEFIT CONCERT TICKETS ON SALE NOW BIGGEST SHOW EVER AT THE LOWE’S!!! THE HUDSON COUNTY GOOD OL’ BOYS CHOIR DIRECT FROM NEWARK FEDERAL ENGAGEMENT MAY BE LAST PUBLIC APPEARANCE EVER!!! Featuring(to name a few) BOB MENENDEZ-DON SCARINCI-JAY AND ALEX BOOTH-JOE BARRY-DAVE ROBERTS-BOBBY J.-DENNY ENRIGHT-SAL “JOHNNY WEISSMULLER” VEGA-MARIANO VEGA-BILL GAUGHAN-ABE ANTUN-JOE DORIA and many others For Tickets call Chris C. US Attorney’s office or Bill S, Newark Field office FBI ALL PROCEEDS TO: HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION SURVIVORS FUND ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 699 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 06, 2003 at 14:03:59 Subject: Re: BENEFIT CONCERT TICKETS ON SALE NOW Janiszewski seems to be hitting all the high notes in his solo performance... : BENEFIT CONCERT TICKETS ON SALE NOW : BIGGEST SHOW EVER AT THE LOWE’S!!! : THE HUDSON COUNTY GOOD OL’ BOYS CHOIR : : DIRECT FROM NEWARK FEDERAL ENGAGEMENT : MAY BE LAST PUBLIC APPEARANCE EVER!!! : Featuring(to name a few) : BOB MENENDEZ-DON SCARINCI-JAY AND ALEX BOOTH-JOE BARRY-DAVE ROBERTS-BOBBY J.-DENNY ENRIGHT-SAL “JOHNNY WEISSMULLER” VEGA-MARIANO VEGA-BILL GAUGHAN-ABE ANTUN-JOE DORIA and many others : For Tickets call Chris C. US Attorney’s office or Bill S, Newark Field office FBI : ALL PROCEEDS TO: HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION SURVIVORS FUND ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 700 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 07, 2003 at 11:35:04 Subject: HCDO Shot Itself in the Foot! If the goal of the Hudson County Democratic Organization communication crew was to annoy me, as a Jersey City PG (Pre-Gentrification) character, I'll have to admit that they were successful. If the goal was to win an election and/or to set the stage for the HCDO to consolidate its influence, the Hudson County Democratic Organization message mongers were all abject failures. Sad to relate, whether the Hudson County Democratic Organization bunch are just trying to hold onto their media maven jobs or if they really are suffering from ossification (or some other degenerative disorder) of the brain, they still don't admit to any mistakes. They are blaming the Governor for a lack of effort (even though McGreevey did more for them than for anybody else), Bayonne for letting them down (even with a fifty percent turnout), Militello (I'd guess that his 14% only accounted for relatives, personal friends and the non-aligned that were liable to go either way anyhow), and Jersey City residents for being unsavory characters all. The last is the real howler, for that was the basis of the HCDO campaign. The Hudson County Democratic Organization did everything to demonize and insult the population of Jersey City -- and then expected their support on election day. Is the entire cast of characters so used to getting whatever they want every place else that now they don't think that they (at the very least) even have to pretend to respect Jersey City-ites? When Healy ran for Mayor, the North Hudson spinmeisters mailed out pictures of corpses in the street. The votes went to Schundler. When DeGise ran for Mayor, the Ministers of Propaganda printed up pictures of Cunningham as King Kong rampaging in a garbage-strewn alley. Glenn won. This ride on the Merry Ground we heard that the sanctuary of the Loew's (which the North Bergen- and Secaucus-based wizards stubbornly insisted to the very end on spelling as LOWE'S) was to be ravaged by hordes of Untermenschen. It's sad, but the Goebbel-esque rants of bogeymen still scares those with the mind of a child. Luckily, the voters of Jersey City are smarter than the Hudson County Democratic Organization realizes. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 701 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 10, 2003 at 09:32:40 Subject: Jersey Journal: Doria lawyer targets many provisional votes Pols wrangling as count goes on Doria lawyer targets many provisional votes Jersey Journal Tuesday, June 10, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal staff writer The counting of provisional ballots cast in the 31st District during last week's Democratic primary continued late last night, even though it won't change the results. However, once the count is complete, a recount of all ballots cast in the district is expected to be requested by Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria Jr. of Bayonne. Doria, who is also mayor of Bayonne, lost his bid for nomination to a 13th term in the Legislature. He and first-term Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli of Jersey City were defeated in the primary by Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former county Freeholder Louis Manzo of Jersey City. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 702 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 10, 2003 at 09:35:33 Subject: Jersey Journal: Hudson Dems making peace? Hudson Dems making peace? Cunningham may fill senator's seat early Jersey Journal Tuesday, June 10, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal staff writer Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham might become a state senator sooner than expected, in what could be a first step in trying to heal a bitter rift in Hudson Democratic Party ranks. Cunningham won a bitter primary Tuesday for the Democratic nomination to succeed retiring Sen. Joseph Charles of Jersey City. Gov. James E. McGreevey has already said he will nominate Charles to become a Superior Court judge. For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 703 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 08:24:53 Subject: Peter Weiss: Bayonne spoiler or star? Jersey Journal Wednesday, June 11, 2003 Peter Weiss . . . Some observers, especially in the Hudson County Democratic Organization, think Militello was nothing more than a "spoiler" in the race who didn't have a chance to win but cost them the victory. Some of them believe that without Militello in the race their candidate, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, would have defeated Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham for the Senate nomination. The figures don't seem to bear that out. . . . For the complete piece, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 704 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 08:28:11 Subject: Jersey Journal: Cunningham camp shuns reorganization Cunningham camp shuns reorganization Jersey Journal Wednesday, June 11, 2003 By Peter Weiss Journal staff writer Sen. Bernard Kenny of Hoboken is expected to be re-elected Hudson County Democratic chairman tonight without opposition - because the opposition isn't expected to show up. Democratic county committee members aligned with Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Kearny Mayor Al Santos, both of whom are battling with the Hudson County Democratic Organization, planned to stay away from the annual reorganization meeting at Schuetzen Park in North Bergen. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN NEWS STAFF posted Message 705 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 12:06:10 Subject: UTN News: JERSEY CITY REFORM DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE REORGANIZES-CHALLENGES HCDO REORG UTN NEWS STAFF ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah posted Message 706 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 12:25:14 Subject: Re: UTN News: JERSEY CITY REFORM DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE REORGANIZES-CHALLENGES HCDO REORG : UTN NEWS STAFF The you to the Jersey City Reform Democratic Organization for taking a stand, God is truely with us, keep up the good work and don't let anything stop you for working hard for the people: Concern Jersey City Productive Member Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chako Boba posted Message 707 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 13:46:20 Subject: Brother Bill stopped off on the way home Brother Bill stopped off on the way home From couples counseling with GF to sit in Governor's box at nets game with other notables. Bill took credit for Glenn's primary win in 31st district. Lotta folks in JC did a lotta work, none of them named Ayala. Ayala was going to school when he was not busy fighting with his GF...Credit where credit is due.. Not Ayala, brother He was studying for law school and was not even int the office most of the time during the campaign ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah posted Message 708 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 14:27:13 Subject: Re: Peter Weiss: Bayonne spoiler or star? : : Jersey Journal : Wednesday, June 11, 2003 : Peter Weiss : . . . : Some observers, especially in the Hudson County Democratic Organization, think Militello was nothing more than a "spoiler" in the race who didn't have a chance to win but cost them the victory. Some of them believe that without Militello in the race their candidate, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith, would have defeated Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham for the Senate nomination. : The figures don't seem to bear that out. : . . . : For the complete piece, see the Link Neither spoiler or star the Mayor would have won anyway Why? because the people in Jersey City love the Mayor, he's a great man and role model for our community: Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE BOOKIE posted Message 709 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 16:09:35 Subject: Re: UTN News: JERSEY CITY REFORM DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE REORGANIZES-CHALLENGES HCDO REORG BOBBY JACKSON WILL OVERSEE THE MONEY? NOW THAT IS A SCARY THOUGHT>> ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN NEWS posted Message 710 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 16:54:39 Subject: IT’S OFFICIAL-MANZO&CHIAPPONE IN 31ST Urban Times News Northern New Jersey’s Information Leader UTN NEWS email: stories@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City—At about 4:30 June 11, 2003 Hudson County Election officials certified primary results with Anthony Chiappone and Lou Manzo clear winners. Chiappone had 11,054 votes, Manzo, 10,997. Totals leave a comfortable gap of 481 votes between Manzo’s tally and Doria. Bayonne Mayor and former Assemblyman Joe Doria got 10,516 votes and former Assemblywoman Elba Perez Cinciarelli 9,607. Observers noted the big disparity between Cinciarelli’s total and her running mate indicated little or no support or team approach, more than twice the difference between winning and losing totals. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fly On The Wall posted Message 711 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 11, 2003 at 21:41:50 Subject: Wally Gets Edgie Isn't it strange that Wally Edge (aka The Donald) on politicsnj.com lists Cunningham's chief of staff Brother Bill as one of the Winners of the week. YET fails to list Cunningham himself. After all Glenn is the one who DID WIN BIG. It's obvious that Wally /The Donald is up to his old tricks. Note to Wally - Feeling a little edgie ? You should be more concerned about the Grand Jury. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 712 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 13, 2003 at 08:46:13 Subject: Jersey Journal: Kenny's quest for peace Kenny's quest for peace Jersey Journal Friday, June 13, 2003 As expected, Sen. Bernard Kenny of Hoboken was re-elected Hudson County Democratic chairman without opposition Wednesday night. That's because the opposition, whose leader is Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, stayed home. The mayor, himself, was on vacation after his hard-fought victory in the 31st District Democratic primary for Senate against the Hudson County Democratic Organization choice, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Frank Lloyd Wright posted Message 713 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 13, 2003 at 15:10:00 Subject: Architectural Disgust Architectural Disgust Annual Award for Architect of the Year goes to Brother Bill Ayala. Architect extraordinaire. Of what exactly he is the architect we have no clue. But he gets the award for sure. Congratulations Brother Bill ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 714 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 15, 2003 at 11:04:47 Subject: Losses in the Primary Leave Menendez Shaken Losses in the Primary Leave Menendez Shaken That noise is Menendez's power slipping away New York Times New Jersey Section On Politics 6/15/2003 By Raymond Hernandez WASHINGTON Only weeks ago, Robert Menendez was at the peak of his power: the Hud- son County leader whom many New Jersey politicians courted, the No. 3 Democrat in the entire House of Rep- resentatives. But on primary night, Mr. Menen- dez may have been dealt the most se- vere political blow he has suffered in his rise to power, stirring a buzz within the state's political establish- ment. Even as he remained a solid and visible force on the national scene, Mr. Menendez watched as a slate of candidates he supported back home took a beating in the primary elec- tions. The night's results would have been bad enough on their own. But the defeat came at the hands of Mr. Menendez's biggest rival in Hudson County, Glenn D. Cunningham, the Democratic mayor of Jersey City. The unofficial election results from the June 3 primary also deliv- ered bad news for a leading Menen- dez ally, Joseph V. Doria, a former Assembly speaker who lost his seat by about 500 votes to Louis Manzo. Mr. Doria, who is challenging the results, sided with Mr. Menendez in his protracted struggle with Mr. Cun- ningham over who would control the county party, according to Demo- cratic strategists. But for Mr. Menendez, the news was even worse. Mr. Cunningham won his own primary, getting the nomination for State Senate in the 31st District over Harvey Smith, who had the support of Mr. Menendez and Governor McGreevey. The victory was a testament to the powerful base that Mr. Cunningham has put together in Jersey City - right under the nose of Mr. Menen- dez. It also helps establish Mr. Cun- ningham, a former United States marshal, as a force to be reckoned with in state Democratic politics. If Mr. Cunningham wins in No- vember, he will have an even loftier platform from which to challenge Mr. Menendez. The tradition of sena- torial courtesy, for example, gives a state senator veto power over any political appointment in his district. Mr. Cunningham seemed to go out of his way to taunt Mr. Menendez af- ter the votes were counted. "Not only did I win, but my whole slate won," Mr. Cunningham said. "What it means is that the time of machine tactics is dead, and that the negative campaign tactics that peo- ple use is a turnoff to the people. Me- nendez is a good congressman, but he wants to be other things. He shouldn't be trying to run cities, and now, others are seeing that they can be free from the machine." Mr. Cunningham once called Mr. Menendez "a political terrorist" and demanded that he resign as head of the Hudson County Democratic Party. The defiance shown by Mr. Cunningham, who wants to establish his own power base, has been nothing less than astounding, especially con- sidering the power wielded by Mr. Menendez, who has spent the last few years tightening his grip on Hudson County, a huge source of votes for any Democrat seeking statewide of- fice. "He has used that position to grab power for himself like a modern-day Boss Hague," Mr. Cunningham said, referring to Frank Hague, the Jersey City mayor and Democratic boss who ruled Hudson County from 1917 to 1947. "He has created havoc in Hudson County." The primary results were a re- markable reversal of political for- tune for Mr. Cunningham, who had been an increasingly isolated figure in Hudson County Democratic poli- tics since being elected mayor in 2001 with the support of Mr. Menen- dez, a six-term congressman who played a pivotal role in the campaign to elect Mr. McGreevey. More than a year ago found him- self on the losing end of a power struggle between himself and Mr. Menendez over who would succeed the former Hudson County execu- tive, Robert C. Janiszewski, who had resigned. It would be premature to start writing the political obituary of Mr. Menendez, who stopped Robert G. Torricelli's plans to seek the party's nomination for governor in 2001 even before they got off the ground. But Mr. Menendez does seem to have his hands full these days. Not only does he have problems with Mr. Cunningham, but he has also been tangling with Mr. McGreevey. A few weeks ago, Mr. Menendez publicly rebuked the governor , ac- cusing him of neglecting the Hispan- ic community by withdrawing his support for Zulima Farber, of Cuban descent, for the state Supreme Court. The governor himself refused to fire back publicly. But people close to him did not, saying that Mr. Menen- dez was engaging in ethnic politics to mobilize his Hispanic base in Hudson County, where Mr. Cunningham has encouraged Democrats to challenge the congressman for his seat. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Menendez is Finished posted Message 715 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 15, 2003 at 22:04:56 Subject: Paul Byrne "On the Record" Bobby J Taped Menendez here is the link Click on view archive ENJOY http://www.njn.net/television/njnseries/ontherecord/ ***************** End Of Article ****************** scarface posted Message 716 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 16, 2003 at 09:38:35 Subject: HCDO is Organized and Criminal Gangster party runs our county and towns. Except JC. Remaining pockets of HCDO in JC must be chased out. Including County Seat, hub of Scarinci Menendez and formerly Bobby J network of institutionalized bribery All of the underbosses and all of their buttons, soldiers and stooges ***************** End Of Article ****************** observer posted Message 717 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 16, 2003 at 13:01:05 Subject: Redevelopment of the Jersey City Medical Center Complex Jersey City Redevelopment Agency Regular Commissioners Meeting Tuesday, June 17th, 6PM, 30 Montgomery Street Item G. A presentation by George Filopoulos of Baldwin Assest Urban Renewal Co., LLC on the proposed re-use of the Medical Center complex. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pat O'Melia posted Message 718 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 16, 2003 at 15:48:01 Subject: Show topics Tonites guest, Former Dir of the JCPA Carmine Venezia, topic todays JCPA, The Nidia Colon trial why her and not the others? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah posted Message 719 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 17, 2003 at 14:50:29 Subject: Re: Show topics : Tonites guest, Former Dir of the JCPA Carmine Venezia, topic todays JCPA, The Nidia Colon trial why her and not the others? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! Thay are not public figures: ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah posted Message 720 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 17, 2003 at 14:55:08 Subject: Re: Losses in the Primary Leave Menendez Shaken : Losses in the Primary Leave Menendez Shaken : That noise is Menendez's power slipping away : New York Times : New Jersey Section : On Politics : 6/15/2003 : By Raymond Hernandez : WASHINGTON : Only weeks ago, : Robert Menendez : was at the peak of : his power: the Hud- : son County leader : whom many New : Jersey politicians : courted, the No. 3 : Democrat in the entire House of Rep- : resentatives. : But on primary night, Mr. Menen- : dez may have been dealt the most se- : vere political blow he has suffered in : his rise to power, stirring a buzz : within the state's political establish- : ment. : Even as he remained a solid and : visible force on the national scene, : Mr. Menendez watched as a slate of : candidates he supported back home : took a beating in the primary elec- : tions. : The night's results would have : been bad enough on their own. But : the defeat came at the hands of Mr. : Menendez's biggest rival in Hudson : County, Glenn D. Cunningham, the : Democratic mayor of Jersey City. : The unofficial election results : from the June 3 primary also deliv- : ered bad news for a leading Menen- : dez ally, Joseph V. Doria, a former : Assembly speaker who lost his seat : by about 500 votes to Louis Manzo. : Mr. Doria, who is challenging the : results, sided with Mr. Menendez in : his protracted struggle with Mr. Cun- : ningham over who would control the : county party, according to Demo- : cratic strategists. : But for Mr. Menendez, the news : was even worse. Mr. Cunningham : won his own primary, getting the : nomination for State Senate in the : 31st District over Harvey Smith, who : had the support of Mr. Menendez and : Governor McGreevey. : The victory was a testament to the : powerful base that Mr. Cunningham : has put together in Jersey City - : right under the nose of Mr. Menen- : dez. : It also helps establish Mr. Cun- : ningham, a former United States : marshal, as a force to be reckoned : with in state Democratic politics. : If Mr. Cunningham wins in No- : vember, he will have an even loftier : platform from which to challenge : Mr. Menendez. The tradition of sena- : torial courtesy, for example, gives a : state senator veto power over any : political appointment in his district. : Mr. Cunningham seemed to go out : of his way to taunt Mr. Menendez af- : ter the votes were counted. : "Not only did I win, but my whole : slate won," Mr. Cunningham said. : "What it means is that the time of : machine tactics is dead, and that the : negative campaign tactics that peo- : ple use is a turnoff to the people. Me- : nendez is a good congressman, but : he wants to be other things. He : shouldn't be trying to run cities, and : now, others are seeing that they can : be free from the machine." : Mr. Cunningham once called Mr. : Menendez "a political terrorist" and : demanded that he resign as head of the : Hudson County Democratic Party. : The defiance shown by Mr. Cunningham, : who wants to establish his own power : base, has been nothing : less than astounding, especially con- : sidering the power wielded by Mr. : Menendez, who has spent the last few : years tightening his grip on Hudson : County, a huge source of votes for : any Democrat seeking statewide of- : fice. : "He has used that position to grab : power for himself like a modern-day : Boss Hague," Mr. Cunningham said, : referring to Frank Hague, the Jersey : City mayor and Democratic boss : who ruled Hudson County from 1917 : to 1947. "He has created havoc in : Hudson County." : The primary results were a re- : markable reversal of political for- : tune for Mr. Cunningham, who had : been an increasingly isolated figure : in Hudson County Democratic poli- : tics since being elected mayor in : 2001 with the support of Mr. Menen- : dez, a six-term congressman who : played a pivotal role in the campaign : to elect Mr. McGreevey. : More than a year ago found him- : self on the losing end of a power : struggle between himself and Mr. : Menendez over who would succeed : the former Hudson County execu- : tive, Robert C. Janiszewski, who had : resigned. : It would be premature to start : writing the political obituary of Mr. : Menendez, who stopped Robert G. : Torricelli's plans to seek the party's : nomination for governor in 2001 even : before they got off the ground. : But Mr. Menendez does seem to : have his hands full these days. Not : only does he have problems with Mr. : Cunningham, but he has also been : tangling with Mr. McGreevey. : A few weeks ago, Mr. Menendez : publicly rebuked the governor , ac- : cusing him of neglecting the Hispan- : ic community by withdrawing his : support for Zulima Farber, of Cuban : descent, for the state Supreme Court. : The governor himself refused to : fire back publicly. But people close to : him did not, saying that Mr. Menen- : dez was engaging in ethnic politics to : mobilize his Hispanic base in Hudson : County, where Mr. Cunningham has : encouraged Democrats to challenge : the congressman for his seat. : God Bless All Of Us: He Know's What we Don't: Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND posted Message 721 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 17, 2003 at 15:48:12 Subject: Re: Show topics ;;;;THAY???????????????? What a shame they didn't have this program when you attended school! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Greg Baumgarten posted Message 722 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 18, 2003 at 07:33:57 Subject: Re: Show topics : : Tonites guest, Former Dir of the JCPA Carmine Venezia, topic todays JCPA, The Nidia Colon trial why her and not the others? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! : : Thay are not public figures: Aneesah is obviosly Bobby Jackson without Steve Glazer correcting the spelling. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Aneesah posted Message 723 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 18, 2003 at 08:24:31 Subject: Re: Show topics : ;;;;THAY???????????????? What a shame they didn't have this program when you attended school! God Bless All Of Us: Aneesah ***************** End Of Article ****************** Good Spell posted Message 724 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 18, 2003 at 09:16:38 Subject: Re: Show topics : : : Tonites guest, Former Dir of the JCPA Carmine Venezia, topic todays JCPA, The Nidia Colon trial why her and not the others? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! : : : : Thay are not public figures: : Aneesah is obviosly Bobby Jackson without Steve Glazer correcting the spelling. can we assume that would be your best attempt at "obviously" ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jr. Gmen posted Message 725 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 18, 2003 at 09:20:48 Subject: Nidia Knew What we all knew. Did she think it was wrong, too? She did not get any part of it for herself? Her boyfriend Kept it all? It was an isolated incident? ***************** End Of Article ****************** BKbroiler posted Message 726 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 18, 2003 at 09:25:39 Subject: Don't shoot GMen, We're coming out! All of us Bernie Kennie,Florio, Booth, Tom DeGise, Bill Gaughan, Junior, Vega, Dave Roberts, ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Eason posted Message 727 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 11:12:45 Subject: Cunningham Endorsed by AFL-CIO Cunningham Endorsed by AFL-CIO ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN posted Message 728 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 13:02:24 Subject: Subject to Confirmation From The New Jersey Lawyer: LONG-TIME LEGISLATOR NOMINATED TO SUPERIOR COURT Gov. James E. McGreevey is nominating Sen. Joseph Charles Jr. (D-Hudson) to the bench. A senator in the 31st Legislative District since last year, Charles had served in the Assembly since 1982. He is a partner in the Newark firm Ashley & Charles and a member of the Garden State Bar Association. Charles served as a deputy attorney general in 1970-71 and has chaired and served on a number of legislative committees, including Budget and Administration. He was admitted to the state bar in 1969 after graduating from Rutgers Law School-Newark. His nomination heads to the Senate Judiciary Committee for a hearing and must be confirmed by the full Senate. ***************** End Of Article ****************** SHOW ME THE MONEY! posted Message 729 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 13:29:07 Subject: Re: Cunningham Endorsed by AFL-CIO PROVE IT! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN MUST GO if we want peace! posted Message 730 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 15:01:44 Subject: The real truth! SCAM SCAM SCAM! http://www.nj.com/columns/jjournal/morgan/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/105601769683570.xml ***************** End Of Article ****************** TRULY YOURS posted Message 731 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 17:48:13 Subject: Re: The real truth! : SCAM SCAM SCAM! : http://www.nj.com/columns/jjournal/morgan/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/105601769683570.xml HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN MUST GO! posted Message 732 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 18:29:49 Subject: Now Now Stan! : : SCAM SCAM SCAM! : : http://www.nj.com/columns/jjournal/morgan/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/105601769683570.xml : HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOW NOW, JIM posted Message 733 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 19:25:41 Subject: Re: Now Now Stan! : : : SCAM SCAM SCAM! : : : http://www.nj.com/columns/jjournal/morgan/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/105601769683570.xml : : HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! YOU GUYS IN ORGANIZED CRIME ARE SHAMELESS!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE TRUTH WILL SeT YOU FREE! posted Message 734 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 19, 2003 at 21:57:41 Subject: YOU SHOULD KNOW, GIVEN WHO YOU WORK FOR! : : : : SCAM SCAM SCAM! : : : : http://www.nj.com/columns/jjournal/morgan/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/105601769683570.xml : : : HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! HCDO! will set you free! : : YOU GUYS IN ORGANIZED 529 ARE SHAMELESS!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** JayCJay posted Message 735 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 20, 2003 at 15:18:36 Subject: NIDIA-QUEEN OF HEARTS What she did for love. Priceless. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO FAN CLUB posted Message 736 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 20, 2003 at 15:22:42 Subject: WHAT SHE DID FOR LOVE GREATER GUILE HATH NO MAN. FREE THE HUDSON 55. NIDIA "NERVOUS" COLON --ALL EXPENSE HONEYMOON CLUB FED... ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN BLAH BLAH BLAH! posted Message 737 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 20, 2003 at 15:37:13 Subject: Re: NIDIA-QUEEN OF HEARTS Steven Glazer = JaycJay= A.A. and we not talkin American Airlines! ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE CAUSE posted Message 738 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 20, 2003 at 16:04:05 Subject: FREE THE HUDSON 47 FAT JOE, TOO ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sueeey!!! posted Message 739 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 20, 2003 at 19:02:39 Subject: Squealing Pig What's that noise coming from Bayonne? Each time votes are counted the squeals get louder and more high-pitched. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tom posted Message 740 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 20, 2003 at 21:35:49 Subject: Re: Running in quicksand Bob Mendez is a worthy selection. Considering the machine politics which we all were thrown into he did his best to bring some decency back to politics. Yes one does learn from Billy V. Musto, but it's what not to do. I was born in Hoboken in 1952 and it was a pleasure to have met Robert Mendez and see something other than the run of the mill politics that never changed to come along. Having seen what the Cuban people went through in coming to this country and being presented with the machine politics of Hudson County , it was refeshing to see the usual crowd get shoved out. Why the Cuban people let the Elian Gonzolez thing go the way it did is beyond me. It should have been an issue of child welfare. DYFS would certainly have stepped it to protect the welfare of the child and not returned him to Cuba. For people to stand by and having had insulted Elians mother to the point of making her look like a bad mom in putting him in the water, has made me very angry. She chose such rather than let him remain in what she and I saw as a repressive country. Janet Reno should be ashamed for not having invoked child protective services. It was very disrespectful to the mother. She saw it being of a greater danger to leave the child in Cuba than to put him in the water. She was not an ill person or recklessly endangering the welfare of the child. Rather Janet Reno did. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Laughing @ Bill's Bull posted Message 741 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 20, 2003 at 22:07:29 Subject: Re: Brother Bill stopped off on the way home Is anyone actually surprised that someone as talentless as Brother Bill would take credit for the work and efforts of others? Does anyone take him seriously? Here is a little boy who is so intimidated by others that he attempts to isolate the king from the influence of those smarter than him....in other words.....everyone. And by the way....a note to Bill....Lights and Sirens are supposed to be reserved for EMERGENCIES ONLY!!! CRASH.....GOES THE KING'S LITTLE BOY. : Brother Bill stopped off on the way home From couples counseling with GF to sit in Governor's box at nets game with other notables. Bill took credit for Glenn's primary win in 31st district. Lotta folks in JC did a lotta work, none of them named Ayala. Credit where credit is due.. Not Ayala, brother; He was not even in the office most of the time during the campaign ***************** End Of Article ****************** Marty posted Message 742 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 21, 2003 at 13:54:29 Subject: Jersey Journal: New legal fight looms in primary aftermath New legal fight looms in primary aftermath Jersey Journal Saturday, June 21, 2003 Peter Weiss Three weeks after the voting, the 31st District Democratic primary fight is still far from over, and a new twist looms if the Hudson County Democratic Organization decides to test a law regarding excess campaign contributions in its efforts to overturn the results. . . . But HCDO leaders say they now have reason to believe this spending continued, and that it reached an amount that could cause the courts to void the primary election results. If - and it seems like an awfully big if - that happened, new Democratic candidates for the general election would be picked by Democratic county committee members living in the 31st District. . . . For the complete piece, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** De lev er ance! posted Message 743 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 22, 2003 at 22:40:08 Subject: Re: Squealing Pig That sound is Steven Glazer being boinged by the boyz! ***************** End Of Article ****************** De lev er ance! posted Message 744 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 22, 2003 at 22:40:09 Subject: Re: Squealing Pig That sound is Steven Glazer being boinged by the boyz! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Now that is funny..Stevie Sueeeeeeeeey!!!!!! yes he is a pig. posted Message 745 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 23, 2003 at 07:48:50 Subject: Re: Squealing Pig LOL ***************** End Of Article ****************** HC don't posted Message 746 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 23, 2003 at 13:48:54 Subject: Vaya Con Huevos Hasta Menendez, Nidia. Next. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 747 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 23, 2003 at 14:29:04 Subject: HCT topics for tonite. NIdia guilty! who fills her seat? the Doria recount, JC Mayor Glenn D Cunningham vetos old JC med center transfer to JCRA. All this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! ***************** End Of Article ****************** U.S. Attorney's Office, District of New Jersey Press Release posted Message 748 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 23, 2003 at 19:18:01 Subject: Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon Convicted for Passing Bribes to Janiszewski 2003-06-23 -- Davila-Colon, Nidia -- Conviction -- News Release Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon Convicted for Passing Bribes to Janiszewski NEWARK - Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon was convicted by a federal jury today on all five counts against her, including charges that she passed cash bribes from a Hudson County psychiatrist to then-Hudson County Executive Robert C. Janiszewski, U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie announced. During her three-week trial before U.S. District Judge William G. Bassler, Davila-Colon admitted that she passed an envelope containing a $5,000 cash payoff to Janiszewski at a political fund-raising event on Oct. 15, 1999. The $5,000 cash bribe, which was from Davila-Colon's psychiatrist boyfriend Oscar Sandoval and given to Janiszewski, came several weeks after Sandoval won $2.3 million in county contracts to render psychiatric services at a county hospital and a county correctional facility, according to Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey D. Clark. Davila-Colon, 49, a Hudson County Freeholder for the past 19 years, is the longest serving female politician in the state. Sandoval, who cooperated with the government, has not been charged by the government with any wrongdoing. "This verdict reaffirms our belief that if you break the law as a public official, you will be held accountable," Christie said. "We will continue our fight to give New Jersey a clean and honest government at all levels." According to the five-count Indictment, Davila-Colon passed two $5,000 cash payments to Janiszewski at events in September and October 1999. She also had discussions with both Janiszewski and Sandoval about the cash payments and his contracts, which were coming up for renewal. At one point, according to the Indictment, Davila-Colon suggested including in an envelope with the cash a note to Janiszewski inquiring about the status of Sandoval's contracts. The Indictment also alleges that Davila-Colon resisted Sandoval's suggestion that he personally pass the cash to Janiszewski, telling him that her participation as Janiszewski's intermediary was necessary because, "If he goes down, I go down"; and "My career is on the line and his is too . . . if we go, we both go down." Count One to Count Three of the Indictment charge that Davila-Colon's conduct was part of a scheme to defraud the Hudson County government and the citizens of Hudson County of their right to the honest services of their elected officials - herself and Janiszewski. Those counts charge mail fraud, in that the U.S. mails were used to further the scheme to conceal the corrupt payments made to Janiszewski and Davila-Colon's role in making those payments. Each of these counts carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Counts Four and Five of the Indictment charge that Davila-Colon aided and abetted Janiszewski's attempted extortion under color of official right. Each of these counts carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Judge Bassler set sentencing for Sept. 29, 2003 at 10 a.m. Under U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, Judge Bassler will determine an actual sentence based upon a formula that takes into account the severity and characteristics of the offense, and the defendant's criminal history, if any. Parole has been abolished in the federal system. Under Sentencing Guidelines, defendants who are given custodial terms must serve nearly all that time. Christie credited Special Agents of the FBI in Newark, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Louie F. Allen, for their work in developing the case. Christie gave special thanks to the Hudson County Public Corruption Task Force, comprised of the FBI, IRS, the New Jersey State Police, and the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office. The Government is represented by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Jeffrey D. Clark and Phillip Kwon, of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Newark. -end- Defense Attorney: Peter Willis, Esq. Jersey City John Young, Esq. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The hog smell covers up the booze smell.... posted Message 749 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 23, 2003 at 23:26:23 Subject: Stevie Sueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey !!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Why not posted Message 750 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 24, 2003 at 12:17:59 Subject: HCDO Pushing for Poll Tax? ANy truth to the rumor that HCDO is pushing for a poll tax? Something about "achieving a level playing field..." ***************** End Of Article ****************** fat jo posted Message 751 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 24, 2003 at 14:17:52 Subject: Suuueeeyyy I don't get it ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pat O'Melia posted Message 752 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 24, 2003 at 18:07:58 Subject: The Jersey City Parking Authority Meeting of the Board: June 17, 2003 See the Link for Online audio. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Brian must be rolling Maggie! posted Message 753 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 29, 2003 at 12:07:08 Subject: Re: BOBBY JACKSON You are a pittiful soul Doyle! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Taxation w/o Representation posted Message 754 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 30, 2003 at 08:47:32 Subject: HCDO MINITAX SCAM INCREASES COUNTY TAXES DeGise's Minitax is all grown up now and will appear on your next tax bill in every Hudson County municipality except East Newark. DeGise said that there would be no increase although he knew when he said it there would be. Dugan, Fitzgibbons, Braker, all of them, went along obediently and voted the HCDO partyline ditto all of them except Bill O'Dea. What's a little more highway robbery? Have a little more Kool-Aid if you have any discomfort and soon you will feel nothing at all. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 755 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 30, 2003 at 17:23:49 Subject: Tonites show topics. History and the future of the Landmark Loews Theatre with FOL Pres Patty Giordan, Winds of political change in Jesrey City, 5 year old from Sayerville booted from school for holding his hand like a gun! all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! ***************** End Of Article ****************** MICHAEL ANGELO PRISCO posted Message 756 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : June 30, 2003 at 21:45:42 Subject: Re: HUDSON COUNTY CAMPAIGN BEGINS IN EARNEST WITH SMEAR CAMPAIGN : HUDSON COUNTY CAMPAIGN BEGINS IN EARNEST WITH SMEAR CAMPAIGN : Urban Times News : April 11-April 17, 2003 : UTN NEWS ANALYSIS : JERSEY CITY "I would like : nothing better than for the so-called organi- : zation to come at us with everything they : think they have," said Mayor Glenn : Cunningham is response to a press release : from the Hudson County Democratic : Organization hinting at irregularities in his : campaign fundraising. : "The best thing that could happen : is for a state investigation of the campaign : finance of Cunningham for Mayor and : other committees," said Cunningham. : "This is a farce. Just look what we have : here. Just the stationary is hysterical. The : list of committee officers reads like the : Hudson County payroll and the Hudson : County Improvement Authority. This is : exactly what I have been talking about. : Most of the persons who have obstructed : the operation of good government in Jersey : City are listed as some officer, and almost : without exception, they all have jobs as well : with the County of Hudson or The Hudson : County Improvement Authority. That is the : 'organization.' "Please note who is 'treasur- : er' " said Cunningham, pointing to the name : of Donald Scarinci. : Scarinci was recently implicated : in the scandal involving the State Parole : Board's release of Genovese crime family : Capo Angelo Prisco. Prisco was denied : parole twice, but then hired Scarinci and : was then paroled and released shortly after : retaining Scarinci's legal services. Scarinci : denied that there was any impropriety or : undue influence involved in the Parole : Board's decision. But the office of US : Attorney Christopher Christie has begun an : investigation into charges that the Parole : board was pressured by Governor : McGreevey's office to grant the parole after : Prisco retained Scarinci to represent him. : State Senator Robert Martin R-Morris said : that there had not only been interference : from the Governor's office in the Parole : Board's decision on Prisco's parole, but in : other cases as well. : Scarinici is an attorney who is : paired with Congressman Bob Menendez : D- 13 and is also Treasurer of Menendez for : Congress. Together the two are sometimes : referred to as the Don and the Donald, hav- : ing risen ranidlv together over the last 15 : years through Hudson County politics to : become power figures on the state and : national level. Scarinci founded his law : firm at the same time Menendez began his : political career and has grown his shop to : one of the top law firms in the state in a phe- : nomenally short time, and now including 46 : attorneys with annual billings in excess of : $20 Million. Menendez followed a parallel : track simultaneously mirroring the ascen- : dancy of his high school pal in public life : and is now considered the third ranking : democrat in the House of Representatives. : "I wonder if either of them could have done : so much in so short a time with out a little : help from the other, one hand washing the : other." : Ed Cheatham is the supposed : source of all the comments in the so-called : release from the HCDO. It is doubtful that : Cheatham has had as much to say in his : entire public life as is quoted in the release. : The normally taciturn Board of Education : member happens to be African American : and can disparage Cunningham at will with- : out risk of even the appearance of racism : from the white-dominated Hudson County : Democratic Organization. Cunningham's con- : stituency is widely diverse, but centered in the pre- : dominantly African American Ward F of : Jersey City at the center of the 31 st District : Senate Race. "By using Cheatham, it's like : they use Uncle Harvey, trying to make it : look like different members of the commu- : nity are against Glenn," said Cunningham's : advisors. "It is exactly like Harvey-another : case of biting the hand that fed you. : Cheatham may have forgotten but we did : not. Maybe this would be a good opportu- : nity to remind him of the real reason that he : "resigned," from the Port Authority." : The real reason Cheatham left the : Port Authority was that a locker search : turned up a quantity of contraband, accord- : ing to those unimpeachable sources, who in : fact advised Cheatham at the time of the : incident. Cheatham was given the opportu- : nity to resign with benefits and without : scandal, or if he chose to fight, he would : risk termination, loss of all benefits, and : even prosecution on drug charges. : Cheatham wisely took the deal and left the : Port Authority without a commotion but had : always remained guarded about his true rea- : son for leaving Angelo Prisco is a great grandfather and Dad, leave the guy alone, he is innoccent of any wrong doing, he served his time. He was denied parole twice and was a model prisoner, has diabetes and had a triple bypass in jail, he is 63 years old. He has 4 children, 6 grand children and the only thing he is the boss of is his family, THE PRISCO FAMILY ***************** End Of Article ****************** hmm mmm makes me woder. posted Message 757 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 01, 2003 at 01:47:36 Subject: Voter fraud is it possible? Court hears dispute over election Saturday, June 28, 2003 BY DIANE C. WALSH Star-Ledger Staff A lawyer for Assemblywoman Arline Friscia argued in court yesterday there were so many irregularities in the Democratic primary for the 19th District seat that the results should be thrown out. But a lawyer for one the winners, Perth Amboy Mayor Joseph Vas, said there was no proof to the allegations. Superior Court Judge Yolanda Ciccone will issue a ruling July 8 on whether Friscia can challenge the election. Friscia, a four-time legislator, lost the hotly contested election by 732 votes. Vas and Assemblyman John Wisniewski won the Democratic nomination. Friscia lawyer, David Tykulsker of Montclair, is asking Ciccone for permission to amend a lawsuit originally filed two weeks ago. He said Friscia's campaign staff combed the voting records and found the signatures of 456 voters do not match the signatures in the registration books. Furthermore, he charged 300 voters are not U.S. citizens, and the voter authorization slips could not be found for 298 voters. Frank Capece, a Westfield lawyer representing Vas, said called Tykulsker's arguments "wafer-thin." He said there was no proof to the allegations. Capece faulted Friscia for not having even one affidavit from a voter who said he or she was intimidated at the polls. Karen Ballard, a deputy attorney general representing the Middlesex County Board of Elections, said the state did not oppose Friscia's challenge. But Ballard said a 700-vote difference was a "huge burden" for the Friscia to overcome. To succeed in an election challenge, Ballard said the plaintiff must have affidavits and testimony from voters. Diane C. Walsh covers Middlesex County. She can be reached at dwalsh@starledger.com or at (732) 404-8087. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer UTN NEWS posted Message 758 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 01, 2003 at 19:01:31 Subject: HCDO EXEC DEGISE RAISES COUNTY TAXES Jersey City—Despite earlier statements to the contrary in late March and April, Hudson County Democratic Organization County Executive Tom DeGise revealed a final budget that will raise taxes throughout Hudson County. The biggest part of the increase will fall on Jersey City and Hoboken. Bill O’Dea was the lone Independent Freeholder to vote no on the measure. All other HCDO Freeholders approved and passed the measure despite pleas from O’Dea and prospective Assembly Lou Manzo to wait and explore ways to avoid the increase. HCDO Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon, hospitalized after testimony in her corruption trial, did not attend. Kabili Tayari, Jersey City NAACP president said that the final budget was very different than the preliminary plan first presented. “You must have known then what the projections were, ” Tayari said. The increase was first revealed only one week after the primary election in which DeGise ran and won. Freeholder Bill O’Dea produced quick statistics to determine the breakdown of the tax increase by each of the 12 municipalities through the County, which O’Dea labeled “VooDoo Economics” East Newark ($10,000) Guttenburg $220,000, Secaucus, $250,000, West New York, $550,000, Harrison $600,000, Kearny$620,000, Union City $800,000 Weehawken, $900,000 Bayonne, $1,500,000, Hoboken $1,800,000 $1,900,000 and Jersey City $6,200,000. The total of DeGise’s “stealth” tax increase is $15,340,000 with the largest single increase by far, falling on Jersey City. Union City Mayor, and HCDO Mayor Freeholder Brian Stack, himself caught on the horns of a dilemma could be seen to stiffen visibly in his seat when O’Dea read out the impact on each towns, including the $800,000 cost to Union City. HCDO Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons complained bitterly and at length that Hoboken already was bearing an unfair share of costs but then voted with the HCDO majority to approve the budget, instead of delaying until some remedy might be found as O’Dea suggested. Louis Manzo, recently triumphant in the primary for 31st District Assembly said that “This budget deprives residents of Jersey City of due process.” ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 759 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 01, 2003 at 20:05:02 Subject: MENENDEZ LOBBIES FOR TECH VENDOR-MANZO SHOWS FREEHOLDERS “PITCH” LETTER By Steven Glazer Urban Times News ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN NEWS ANALYSIS posted Message 760 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 07:15:33 Subject: "NOTHING PERSONAL," EARL MORGAN, PAT O'MELIA, AND UNCLE HARVEY TEAM UP FOR HARD-HITTING INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS UTN NEWS ANALYSIS email: stories@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Urban Times News posted Message 761 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 15:55:41 Subject: Baghdad on the Hudson - The Fall of the Tyrant Vox Populi ***************** End Of Article ****************** Karl Maulden posted Message 762 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 18:20:23 Subject: Urban Times News in Hoboken? I live in Hoboken. I'm up to the gills reading nothing but the Party line in Pravda. Where can I pick up a copy of the Urban Times News? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Greg Brickey posted Message 763 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 18:57:16 Subject: Re: MENENDEZ LOBBIES FOR TECH VENDOR-MANZO SHOWS FREEHOLDERS “PITCH” LETTER : By Steven Glazer : Urban Times News : I think the Freeholders should hire Martin Jackson. He rules! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Greg Brickey posted Message 764 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 18:59:13 Subject: Re: HCDO EXEC DEGISE RAISES COUNTY TAXES : DeGise should hire Kabili Tayari to do his budget. He rules! : : Jersey City—Despite earlier statements to the contrary in late March and April, Hudson County Democratic Organization County Executive Tom DeGise revealed a final budget that will raise taxes throughout Hudson County. The biggest part of the increase will fall on Jersey City and Hoboken. Bill O’Dea was the lone Independent Freeholder to vote no on the measure. All other HCDO Freeholders approved and passed the measure despite pleas from O’Dea and prospective Assembly Lou Manzo to wait and explore ways to avoid the increase. HCDO Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon, hospitalized after testimony in her corruption trial, did not attend. : : Kabili Tayari, Jersey City NAACP president said that the final budget was very different than the preliminary plan first presented. “You must have known then what the projections were, ” Tayari said. The increase was first revealed only one week after the primary election in which DeGise ran and won. Freeholder Bill O’Dea produced quick statistics to determine the breakdown of the tax increase by each of the 12 municipalities through the County, which O’Dea labeled “VooDoo Economics” : East Newark ($10,000) Guttenburg $220,000, Secaucus, $250,000, West New York, $550,000, Harrison $600,000, Kearny$620,000, Union City $800,000 Weehawken, $900,000 Bayonne, $1,500,000, Hoboken $1,800,000 $1,900,000 and Jersey City $6,200,000. The total of DeGise’s “stealth” tax increase is $15,340,000 with the largest single increase by far, falling on Jersey City. : Union City Mayor, and HCDO Mayor Freeholder Brian Stack, himself caught on the horns of a dilemma could be seen to stiffen visibly in his seat when O’Dea read out the impact on each towns, including the $800,000 cost to Union City. HCDO Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons complained bitterly and at length that Hoboken already was bearing an unfair share of costs but then voted with the HCDO majority to approve the budget, instead of delaying until some remedy might be found as O’Dea suggested. : Louis Manzo, recently triumphant in the primary for 31st District Assembly said that “This budget deprives residents of Jersey City of due process.” : ***************** End Of Article ****************** Greg Brickey posted Message 765 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 19:01:22 Subject: Re: "NOTHING PERSONAL," EARL MORGAN, PAT O'MELIA, AND UNCLE HARVEY TEAM UP FOR HARD-HITTING INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS : UTN NEWS ANALYSIS email: stories@urbantimesnews.com The HCDO should hire Artie Williams. He rules! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lex lucifer posted Message 766 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 19:32:41 Subject: Re: Urban Times News in Hoboken? They have an office at 529 Bergen Ave. Jersy City ***************** End Of Article ****************** dot commer posted Message 767 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 19:34:15 Subject: Re: MENENDEZ LOBBIES FOR TECH VENDOR-MANZO SHOWS FREEHOLDERS “PITCH” LETTER Yes he ahs done such a good job with the Jersey City site......... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Money ,money ,money ,got to have it! posted Message 768 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 19:37:14 Subject: Re: "NOTHING PERSONAL," EARL MORGAN, PAT O'MELIA, AND UNCLE HARVEY TEAM UP FOR HARD-HITTING INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS :Yes he did such a good job raising money for the J.D. and patti LaBelle let's call his lawyer and set up the interview. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I call it as I see it! posted Message 769 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 02, 2003 at 19:40:35 Subject: Re: HCDO EXEC DEGISE RAISES COUNTY TAXES Yes he does so much to set the movement backwards...let's call his office at 529 Bergen and set up the interview. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Duh posted Message 770 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 03, 2003 at 16:22:22 Subject: Re: MENENDEZ LOBBIES FOR TECH VENDOR-MANZO SHOWS FREEHOLDERS “PITCH” LETTER : Yes he ahs done such a good job with the Jersey City site......... What has that got to do with Menendez pimping for IT guy? What is missing from your brain? All of it, obviously ***************** End Of Article ****************** Spell check needed for MJ posted Message 771 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 03, 2003 at 17:13:52 Subject: Re: MENENDEZ LOBBIES FOR TECH VENDOR-MANZO SHOWS FREEHOLDERS “PITCH” LETTER now now Martin....... ***************** End Of Article ****************** thenderson posted Message 772 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 04, 2003 at 18:24:15 Subject: Re: NJN Video: Fraguela Runs For State Senate Against Bernard Kenny : NJN Video: Fraguela Runs For State Senate Against Bernard Kenny : : CLICK HERETo See The Video what up. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 773 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 04, 2003 at 18:39:46 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hudson-Essex posted Message 774 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 05, 2003 at 16:20:13 Subject: St. Peter's Prep Gets $250K From Taxpayers NJ Politicians Now For School Vouchers? By Charles Suldt When Cory Booker, Rhodes Scholar, Yale University Law School graduate and candidate for mayor of Newark, suggested that low-income parents should have the right to choose their children's school, the political establishment acted as if shaken by a seismic shock. Organization politicians raised a hue and cry against school choice. They contended that giving poor children access to educational opportunity somehow violated basic American principles. We were told that allowing parents to use government funding for tuition at religious schools would tear asunder the separation of Church and State. These supporters of the public school monopoly hailed what they claimed as the equality of the current system. They maintained that using public money for private schools would heighten and worsen social and class distinctions and would be just about the same thing as establishing a caste system. For these self-charged champions of the American Way, the practical reality of wide slices of the population condemned to poverty by failed schools was sad indeed, but, at the same time, a necessary and unavoidable sacrifice for the greater good. This high anxiety concerning educational vouchers resulting in the destruction of America civilization seems to have disappeared like the morning dew. The good news is that two prominent New Jersey's political figures have come out for your tax dollars supporting religious schools. The bad news is that the poor need not apply. Through the efforts of a pair of the top New Jersey Democrats, Senate Co-President Richard J. Codey (Essex) and Senate Minority Leader Bernard F. Kenny (Hudson), New Jersey taxpayers now will fund two of the state's elite Catholic high schools -- Seton Hall Prep of West Orange and Saint Peter's Prep of Jersey City. Thanks to Senator Codey, Seton Hall Prep is to get $250,000 for renovations. Senator Kenny made possible an additional $250,000 for a new sports training field at Saint Peter's Prep. Parents pay $9,430 annually to send a son to Seton Hall Prep (neither school admits female students). The school boasts of a $13,000,000 endowment fund with a goal of $25,000,000. Among the former students are a Ford Motor Company vice-president and a New Jersey State Supreme Court justice. A visitor viewing the vast expanse of the wooded grounds and mansions of the Seton Hall Prep campus could be forgiven for imagining having been transported from New Jersey and even from the twenty-first century; one seems to have stepped into a vision of a deep South plantation manor house of a time before the Civil War. The hard working parents of Newark and Irvington, even though they never can hope to send their children to Seton Hall Prep, now will send their tax dollars there. Saint Peter's Prep charges $6,250 each year per student. The campus is set in Paulus Hook, an exclusive section of the Downtown Jersey City Waterfront. In 1995, a large portion of the school's complex of buildings benefited from a "multi-million dollar facelift." The current fund-raising drive has so far succeeded to the tune of $6,500,000 with a goal or $10,000,000. Among the collection of ambitious projects the school seeks to underwrite is “the construction of a new facility in Sea Bright, NJ.” How many of the hard working taxpayers of Jersey City can even hope to own property at the Shore? Saint Peter's Prep's president Father Keenan explains that as at the present time the proposed athletic field is a vacant lot, the landscaping will yield "green space" that all of Jersey City may enjoy. Presumably, we are supposed to believe that with the many empty lots in Jersey City, it was chance, not favoritism, that resulted in the choice of this particular location for beautification on the taxpayer’s tab. The two-acre site is one block from the school and very close to the Liberty State Park -– where the public is allowed entry. It’s clear that this particular location is valuable to Saint Peter’s. What’s rather blurry, since Liberty State Park is just a stroll away, is the urgent need that the general population of Jersey City feels for “green space” within yelling distance of a Catholic high school. And actually, as the athletic field is to consist of artificial turf, defining it as “green space” is at the very least a stretch of the imagination -– if not a contradiction in terms. In a spirit of benevolence, Saint Peter’s allows that the possibility exists of others being granted permission to use this little field of dreams at those times when Saint Peter's Prep students have no need of it. In the 1960's, through the generosity -- direct and indirect -- of Hudson County political boss John V. Kenny (and Saint Peter's Prep alumnus), the school added an impressive modern building on Warren Street. After a fashion, this Catholic high school has enjoyed a long tradition of taxpayer support. A life-long resident who worked for the City of Jersey City during the reign of J.V.K. reported that a crew of City employees was assigned to "the Little Guy's project," as the Saint Peter's Prep construction site then was known. This was during an era of deferred maintenance for Jersey City's public schools and municipal buildings that produced a downward spiral of decay. Convicted and jailed Jersey City Mayor Thomas Whelan sent his son to Saint Peter’s Prep. Jersey City police were forced to act as chauffeurs, driving young Whelan back and forth each day. Nathan Lane, star of stage and screen, is a Saint Peter’s Prep graduate. In the same ‘70s class as the nascent Broadway comedian was the son of a high ranking Union City official –- until the entire family faded away by entering the Federal witness protection program. (For a little while, he was the only guy in the whole school permitted to attempt a beard. Apparently, the whiskers were intended as a disguise. You see, real life gamblers aren’t necessarily a bunch of lovable Damon Runyon characters, like in Guys and Dolls.) These quarter-million dollar Trenton plums come at time of slashed support for public schools that results in shrinking programs and teacher lay-offs. Plus, the actual legality of direct government subsidies to religious schools is questionable. The Supreme Court decided in favor of vouchers to parents who then might choose to use the funds for parochial tuition. But what the Supreme Court allows is government money going first to the family, not straight to a institution with a religious affiliation. Two Saint Peter's Prep students are Senator Bernard Kenny's sons, as luck would have it. State Senator Kenny was the bearer of the sad tidings concerning the State aid cuts to Jersey City. Bernard Kenny provided the crocodile tears while telling Mayor Glenn Cunningham that the money just was not there. It appears that, when motivated, Senator Kenny is capable of miracles. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hudson County posted Message 775 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 05, 2003 at 18:16:30 Subject: Developer builds private school in exclusive community JERSEY CITY, N.J. (AP) — Roman Prilutzky and Lilia Block liked living at Newport so much that three years ago they left their rented apartment and bought a condominium in the private waterfront community. But when it was time for their son, David, to start school, the couple contemplated leaving Newport, and Jersey City, altogether. "That's basically what drives people away from this place," said Prilutzky, 43, a technology chief for a Manhattan software company, who ended up sending his son to private school. Newport's developer agrees. So in a highly unusual arrangement, the Queens-based Lefrak Organization is hoping to reduce its high turnover among families with children by building a 15,000-square-foot private school on the second floor of its newest building. The new home of Jersey City's 16-year-old independent Cornerstone School will have a dozen classrooms, a library, science lab, and large community room, with a capacity of 180 students in grades K-8. As an incentive, Newport residents will receive a 20 percent discount on tuition, which will be $7,000 for the 2003-04 school year. Myra McGovern, a spokeswoman for the National Association of Independent Schools in Washington, said the arrangement is "really not very common at all." "In terms of having private schools being built for the development, and having this type of arrangement, it's not something I've heard of," McGovern said. Jersey City's 30,000-student public school system remains under state control 14 years after it was seized from local hands by the New Jersey Department of Education because of poor student performance. And while McNair Academic High School is consistently among the state's top-performers on standardized tests, perceptions of the district as a whole are still largely negative. So, many Newport parents send their children to private schools. Or they simply move out. That is exactly what construction of the new school is meant to keep from happening, said Jamie LeFrak, a Lefrak managing director. "This is like a self-sufficient, totally functioning medium-sized city," LeFrak said. "Without a school, we were missing a piece of the puzzle." Newport had been looking for a school to affiliate with or relocate to its 600-acre premises, just as the Cornerstone School was looking for a new home after the rent was raised on its old Journal Square location across town. Twenty Newport children were among Cornerstone's 130 students last spring, with their parents' paying $1,500 above tuition for transportation. So Newport knew the school was good enough for the development's affluent, well-educated parents. The match already seems to be working. Most of the 30 new enrollees this fall are coming from Newport, said Terrence Burrowes, Cornerstone's headmaster. A large banner tells residents the school is coming. "I keep getting families with 3- and 4-year-olds who call and say that they are happy to know that we are here in this space and can they put in applications," Burrowes said during a tour of the unfinished space. Newport is a sort of Emerald City of green-tinted office and apartment towers, occupied largely by young professionals, many of them Asian or south Asian immigrants. Many commute to Manhattan using Newport's own PATH station, and Newport residents are not known to venture far into the rest of Jersey City. LeFrak said the per capita income of Newport's 10,000 residents is above $100,000, triple the rest of the city's. Frank Belluscio, a spokesman for the New Jersey School Boards Association, which represents public school districts, cautioned developers against having a kind of bunker mentality toward education. "You can build your own private school," Belluscio said. "But the quality of the public school system is always going to have an impact on the desirability of the community." Newport does have some moderate-income residents in apartments set aside in its first buildings, which were constructed in the 1980s with the help of federal infrastructure grant money and local property tax abatements. William G. Dressel, executive director of the New Jersey League of Municipalities, said that even with a discount, a private school might be too expensive for some Newport residents. "I can see, yes, it might be an important component of a revitalization effort," Dressel said of the private school. But, he added, "We also have to be concerned with the public education system that we have to date, and it does not really address the education needs of all residents." For its part, LeFrak said Newport contributes roughly one-third of the entire city's tax levy, which includes local school funding. Yet Newport accounts for only about 4 percent of the city's population, and has little impact on the public schools. Prilutzky, the technology chief, said he and other Newport residents have talked about breaking away from Jersey City's ills and bills, and forming their own municipality. "I would be very much in favor of this proposal," Prilutzky said. Mayor Glenn Cunningham would not be. "I haven't heard any serious talk about that," said Cunningham, who joked about the prospect. "But that would be a boon to the city, because we would charge them $100 per ounce of water. And access to there would only be through ferry boats." But Cunningham did have a serious concern about Newport's unofficial disassociation from the city, which the new school has the potential to reinforce. "I think that's a problem, you can see that in the number of people who vote," said Cunningham, referring to the area's traditional low turnout. "One of the mayoral candidates said this a couple of years ago, 'if you ask some of the people at Newport who the mayor was, they would say it was Giuliani.'" Cunningham said he had known Cornerstone's late founder, Suzanne Chopp, and called the school "a wonderful institution," and a welcome educational alternative for all city residents. But, he added, "I would also urge Newport to build a public school." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hudson County posted Message 776 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 05, 2003 at 18:16:32 Subject: Developer builds private school in exclusive community JERSEY CITY, N.J. (AP) — Roman Prilutzky and Lilia Block liked living at Newport so much that three years ago they left their rented apartment and bought a condominium in the private waterfront community. But when it was time for their son, David, to start school, the couple contemplated leaving Newport, and Jersey City, altogether. "That's basically what drives people away from this place," said Prilutzky, 43, a technology chief for a Manhattan software company, who ended up sending his son to private school. Newport's developer agrees. So in a highly unusual arrangement, the Queens-based Lefrak Organization is hoping to reduce its high turnover among families with children by building a 15,000-square-foot private school on the second floor of its newest building. The new home of Jersey City's 16-year-old independent Cornerstone School will have a dozen classrooms, a library, science lab, and large community room, with a capacity of 180 students in grades K-8. As an incentive, Newport residents will receive a 20 percent discount on tuition, which will be $7,000 for the 2003-04 school year. Myra McGovern, a spokeswoman for the National Association of Independent Schools in Washington, said the arrangement is "really not very common at all." "In terms of having private schools being built for the development, and having this type of arrangement, it's not something I've heard of," McGovern said. Jersey City's 30,000-student public school system remains under state control 14 years after it was seized from local hands by the New Jersey Department of Education because of poor student performance. And while McNair Academic High School is consistently among the state's top-performers on standardized tests, perceptions of the district as a whole are still largely negative. So, many Newport parents send their children to private schools. Or they simply move out. That is exactly what construction of the new school is meant to keep from happening, said Jamie LeFrak, a Lefrak managing director. "This is like a self-sufficient, totally functioning medium-sized city," LeFrak said. "Without a school, we were missing a piece of the puzzle." Newport had been looking for a school to affiliate with or relocate to its 600-acre premises, just as the Cornerstone School was looking for a new home after the rent was raised on its old Journal Square location across town. Twenty Newport children were among Cornerstone's 130 students last spring, with their parents' paying $1,500 above tuition for transportation. So Newport knew the school was good enough for the development's affluent, well-educated parents. The match already seems to be working. Most of the 30 new enrollees this fall are coming from Newport, said Terrence Burrowes, Cornerstone's headmaster. A large banner tells residents the school is coming. "I keep getting families with 3- and 4-year-olds who call and say that they are happy to know that we are here in this space and can they put in applications," Burrowes said during a tour of the unfinished space. Newport is a sort of Emerald City of green-tinted office and apartment towers, occupied largely by young professionals, many of them Asian or south Asian immigrants. Many commute to Manhattan using Newport's own PATH station, and Newport residents are not known to venture far into the rest of Jersey City. LeFrak said the per capita income of Newport's 10,000 residents is above $100,000, triple the rest of the city's. Frank Belluscio, a spokesman for the New Jersey School Boards Association, which represents public school districts, cautioned developers against having a kind of bunker mentality toward education. "You can build your own private school," Belluscio said. "But the quality of the public school system is always going to have an impact on the desirability of the community." Newport does have some moderate-income residents in apartments set aside in its first buildings, which were constructed in the 1980s with the help of federal infrastructure grant money and local property tax abatements. William G. Dressel, executive director of the New Jersey League of Municipalities, said that even with a discount, a private school might be too expensive for some Newport residents. "I can see, yes, it might be an important component of a revitalization effort," Dressel said of the private school. But, he added, "We also have to be concerned with the public education system that we have to date, and it does not really address the education needs of all residents." For its part, LeFrak said Newport contributes roughly one-third of the entire city's tax levy, which includes local school funding. Yet Newport accounts for only about 4 percent of the city's population, and has little impact on the public schools. Prilutzky, the technology chief, said he and other Newport residents have talked about breaking away from Jersey City's ills and bills, and forming their own municipality. "I would be very much in favor of this proposal," Prilutzky said. Mayor Glenn Cunningham would not be. "I haven't heard any serious talk about that," said Cunningham, who joked about the prospect. "But that would be a boon to the city, because we would charge them $100 per ounce of water. And access to there would only be through ferry boats." But Cunningham did have a serious concern about Newport's unofficial disassociation from the city, which the new school has the potential to reinforce. "I think that's a problem, you can see that in the number of people who vote," said Cunningham, referring to the area's traditional low turnout. "One of the mayoral candidates said this a couple of years ago, 'if you ask some of the people at Newport who the mayor was, they would say it was Giuliani.'" Cunningham said he had known Cornerstone's late founder, Suzanne Chopp, and called the school "a wonderful institution," and a welcome educational alternative for all city residents. But, he added, "I would also urge Newport to build a public school." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Newportlady posted Message 777 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 05, 2003 at 18:22:06 Subject: Re: Developer builds private school in exclusive community However, will the Mayor do anything about this….LeFrak pays Bobby Jackson close to $20,000.00 a month for being a “consultant” and where does the money go from there? Makes you wonder huh! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Putter Nerd posted Message 778 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 06, 2003 at 16:33:19 Subject: nj.com Has been Hacked Hackers have diabled nj.com as part of an internet "contest" for those who can hack the most websites on this date. ***************** End Of Article ****************** KEYBORD SLEUTH posted Message 779 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 06, 2003 at 19:49:11 Subject: Re: nj.com Has been Hacked THE URBAN TIMES NEWS WAS ALSO HACKED. THE HACKERS CHANGED ALL THE CONTENT ON THEIR SITE TO ARTICLES THAT ARE ONLY THE TRUTH! AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SCARY ! THE PAPER BECAME 1 PAGE ***************** End Of Article ****************** Observer posted Message 780 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 08, 2003 at 09:38:57 Subject: VICTORY< WINNERS AND LOSERS In a major turn of events, ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 781 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 08, 2003 at 09:46:34 Subject: HCDO LOSES GRIP ON JC REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY-EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES AGAIN HCDO LOSES GRIP ON JC REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY-EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES AGAIN ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ugly Duckling News Service--Special to UTN posted Message 782 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 08, 2003 at 10:33:43 Subject: "Junior Maldonado, unfortunately will have to take a back seat to this client," Lyndhurst, NJ ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Eason posted Message 783 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 08, 2003 at 17:47:05 Subject: CUNNINGHAM SCORES PIVOTAL VICTORY CUNNINGHAM SCORES PIVOTAL VICTORY ANOTHER BLOW TO HCDO, MENENDEZ!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 784 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 08, 2003 at 18:18:35 Subject: Online Audio: Jersey City Redevelopment Agency Meeting of the Board See the Link to hear a recording of this pivotal meeting. ***************** End Of Article ****************** DeGise Tax Scam posted Message 785 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 09, 2003 at 15:48:22 Subject: Pat Please Record the H.C. Freeholder Meetings Pat - Please record and post the Hudson County Freeholder meetings. And while you are at it why not the Hudson County Improvement Authority. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ricardo Kaulessar , Urban Times News posted Message 786 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 09, 2003 at 18:38:21 Subject: HOUSING COMMISSIONERS SEEN BUT NOT EXACTLY HEARD AND OTHER MATTERS June 17, 2003 ***************** End Of Article ****************** You can call me Will. . . posted Message 787 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 11, 2003 at 17:21:36 Subject: Highlights of the Rakowski Admininstration When the Merry one got tossed in the hoosgow, the Council sent Joe Rakowski where the angels feared to tread. At a meeting of the Port Authority, one of the most powerful and important organizations in the world, Mayor Rakowski stops the proceedings to ask when he's going to get his free tunnel pass. The mayor's driver was directed to take his honor only to restaurants that didn't insult him with a bill. Trying to get something going with a little cutie, Mayor Joe Rakowski nonchlantley remarks, "Guess what, I'm the mayor now!" The incredulous reply is "Mayor of WHAT?" ***************** End Of Article ****************** shoe to drop posted Message 788 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 11, 2003 at 19:37:02 Subject: Former North Bergen official gets 3-year prison term Former North Bergen official gets 3-year prison term The Associated Press 7/11/2003, 5:11 p.m. ET NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — The former North Bergen township administrator was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for accepting cash and free home improvements from a vendor who did business with the Hudson County township. Joseph Auriemma, 55, must also repay $33,792 to the township, the value of the benefits he received, and pay a $7,500 fine. He was sentenced Friday by U.S. District Judge Joseph A. Greenaway Jr. ... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Good Bye Nick Sacco posted Message 789 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 12, 2003 at 15:40:11 Subject: North Bergen Investigation Continues Convicted politician gets prison term ! Christie says North Bergen probe continues ! Former North Bergen Administrator Joseph Auriemma, who pleaded guilty last year to accepting cash payments and home improvements from a township vendor, was sentenced today to 36 months in a federal prison. U.S. District Judge Joseph A. Greenaway, Jr. also ordered Auriemma to pay North Bergen Township $33,792 in restitution - the value of the corrupt benefits he received - and a fine of $7,500. "This is a good, stiff sentence for a public official who corrupted and tainted government in North Bergen and Hudson County," said U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie. "This should stand as both a deterrent to others and set an example for those already under the microscope for corrupt activities." "The investigation into corruption in North Bergen and Hudson County is ongoing," Christie said ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 790 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 14, 2003 at 13:01:52 Subject: Tonites guest, Mayor Joe Doria. Topics, this past election, the good ferry Bayonne, whats happening in Bayonne! Plus red parking meters i Jersey City, whats with that? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! ***************** End Of Article ****************** hojas posted Message 791 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 14, 2003 at 17:06:04 Subject: GREAT LEADERSHIP and Stan Eason at his best! 2029. Great leadership in that department... by Morell, 7/14/03 9:20 ET And why even talk about ethical aspects. This is from the JJ today: "A Jersey City deputy police chief accused of driving a NJ Transit bus while on city time has retired with a full pension - just over $90,000 a year - and all departmental charges against him have been dropped. On Wednesday, Jersey City spokesman Stan H. Eason said Perez's retirement would make the departmental charges against him "a moot point." That means Perez is walking away from the force with a full pension and that he and his family will remain eligible for city healthcare benefits, Eason said. " "The allegations against Jersey City Deputy Police Chief Victor Perez came to light two months ago, when a high-ranking police official told The Jersey Journal that Perez was facing departmental charges accusing him of driving the bus during the same hours he was supposed to be working for the city. " http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-1/105817742886792.xml ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 792 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 14, 2003 at 18:23:37 Subject: A PRIMER ON ORGANIZED CRIME-HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION FOR DUMMIES A PRIMER ON ORGANIZED CRIME-HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION FOR DUMMIES ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 793 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 14, 2003 at 18:59:20 Subject: ORGANIZED CRIME KIDNAPS URBAN TIMES NEWS ORGANIZED CRIME KIDNAPS URBAN TIMES NEWS ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hardy Boys posted Message 794 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 14, 2003 at 20:22:21 Subject: Re: ORGANIZED CRIME KIDNAPS URBAN TIMES NEWS No problem Steve called “Ghost Busters” they are on their way! Could you imagine such a credible, newsworthy publication such as the Urban Times News had an “injustice” done to them? Better yet I’ll call Nancy Drew she will help! ***************** End Of Article ****************** :o) posted Message 795 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 14, 2003 at 20:35:04 Subject: Re: A PRIMER ON ORGANIZED CRIME-HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION FOR DUMMIES If you find yourself agreeing with this kind of talk, you should go read "Grapes of Wrath" by John Steinbeck. He puts a scene together where you hear someone talking about the Okies and filth, but by that point your sympathies are squarely with the people being criticized, so you get to hear how heartless the words really sound. It is very effective and is something to think about. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woolly Bully posted Message 796 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 08:26:23 Subject: Re: ORGANIZED CRIME KIDNAPS URBAN TIMES NEWS : : No problem Steve called “Ghost Busters” they are on their way! : Could you imagine such a credible, newsworthy publication such as the Urban Times News had an “injustice” done to them? : Better yet I’ll call Nancy Drew she will help! Steve made a joke of a serious situation. Stifling free speech and discrimination are not funny. Neither are you ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fed UP posted Message 797 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 08:37:37 Subject: Desperate HCDO will do anything Boss Menendez's HCDO gets more desperate each day. Now they are attempting to supress free speech by trying to remove the UTN Newspaper from the people of Hoboken. What is this RUSSIA ? The HCDO's actions are pathetic, heavy handed and SAD. Thank God Boss Menendez's days are numbered. GOD BLESS THE U.S. ATTORNEY !!!!!! : ORGANIZED CRIME KIDNAPS URBAN TIMES NEWS ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouse rock posted Message 798 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 15:44:33 Subject: source the quote words HOME pictures Source the Quote "Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are." "It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity." "I will opt for creative financing every time." "We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city." "You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven." "They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medici’s and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place." "I forgot more than he'll ever know." "Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy." "We were friends." "When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City." "I don't think the people turned their backs on me." "The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him." "Nobody hates Bret Schundler." "I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events." "Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up." "We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity." "Any publicity is good publicity." "To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have lived here all my life." "You don't even know who your father is." "The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money." "The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill." "Tomorrow, the work starts." Louie Brunellesches Rudolph Contey Thomas Gangemi Newt Gingrich Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski Gerald McCann Bernard Murphy Liam Neeson Joseph Rakowski Bret Schundler Joseph Soriero Thomas Whelan Jaime Vazquez Answers Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are. Bernard Murphy, a city purchasing agent who was convicted of conspiracy, bribery and extortion in 1971. It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity. Liam Neeson in Schindler's List, bartering diamonds at Auschwitz. I will opt for creative financing every time. Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski. Creative financing is certainly called for to pay some of those county salaries, Robert. By the way, how do you find the '94 Grand Marquis? Suits you? Glad we could all help. We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city. You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven. Bret Schundler. No comment. Apropos Bob's Marquis, we'd like to pass along some info. provided by the mayor's PR dept.: apparently a local auto dealership leases a car to Schundler for $1 a year. See, leasing is better than buying. They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place. Louie Brunellesches, a character in Nick Tosches's 1988 novel Cut Numbers. Excerpt reprinted with permission from Harmony Books. I forgot more than he'll ever know. Gerald McCann, in a prison interview. Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy. Bret Schundler We were friends. Rudolph Contey, reminiscing at Allen Manzo's trial for aggravated assault for hitting Contey with a tire iron. Manzo was cleared. When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City. Gerald McCann, in a chance street encounter with a priest. I don't think the people turned their backs on me. Gerald McCann, while residing in Allenwood. The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him. Thomas Whelan, in a Wall Street Journal article circa 1966. Nobody hates Bret Schundler. Joseph Rakowski, who must have no pride of authorship of his various letters to the editor. I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events. Former academic Newt Gingrich, who may have a sense of history, but not of proportion. Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up. Joseph Rakowski, fleshing out his remarks concerning the possibility that the homeless might benefit from aerobics. We'd guess that he'd just had lunch with Newt Gingrich, but the timing is wrong. We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity. Thomas Whelan, whist trimming the city payroll. Any publicity is good publicity. Another face of Gerald McCann: the ad exec. To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have live here all my life. Thomas Gangemi. The mayor scheduled a stop to Genoa, Italy in 1963 to accompany a man named Christopher Columbus back to Jersey City to take part in Columbus Day festivities. As a formality, the type of which we all go through, Gangemi was asked to prove his citizenship, couldn't, and naturally had to resign his post. (He was found to be a lawful citizen of Calabria, Italy. He later became a naturalized US citizen.) Kind of a shame, as he was the city's pioneer mayor elected under the Faulkner Act, which changed the form of government from mayor-commissioner to mayor-council. Thus did he become the city's first mayor directly elected by the people and de-elected by INS. You don't even know who your father is. Gerald McCann. Despite the elegant positioning, we do not know the true context for this remark. We're told he also called people ugly. The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money. Gerald McCann The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill. Joseph Soriero, onetime city commissioner, referring to chromium landfill, proving again that the best things in life aren't always free. Tomorrow, the work starts. Jaime Vazquez's slogan while running for council in 1993. He later changed it to 'Mayor Schundler Team' to avoid even the appearance of action verbs. Another candidate for council, Francis O. Thompson, side-stepped the question of grammar altogether by choosing 'Thompson Better Quality.' Win she didn't. Most quotes courtesy The Jersey Journal and the Jersey City Reporter, so we cannot positively vouch for their accuracy. But thanks for the legwork, guys. Light Reading ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 799 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 16:13:15 Subject: Re: source the quote : words : HOME : pictures : : Source the Quote : "Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are." : "It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity." : "I will opt for creative financing every time." : "We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city." "You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven." : "They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medici’s and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place." : "I forgot more than he'll ever know." : "Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy." : "We were friends." : "When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City." : "I don't think the people turned their backs on me." : "The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him." : "Nobody hates Bret Schundler." : "I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events." : "Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up." : "We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity." : "Any publicity is good publicity." : "To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have lived here all my life." : "You don't even know who your father is." : "The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money." : "The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill." : "Tomorrow, the work starts." Louie Brunellesches : Rudolph Contey : Thomas Gangemi : Newt Gingrich : Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski : Gerald McCann : Bernard Murphy : Liam Neeson : Joseph Rakowski : Bret Schundler : Joseph Soriero : Thomas Whelan : Jaime Vazquez : : Answers : Jersey City is a political town and we have certain rules and regulations here, and since your company has never done any business with us before, I want to inform you as to what these rules and regulations are. : Bernard Murphy, a city purchasing agent who was convicted of conspiracy, bribery and extortion in 1971. : It's not a bribe, it's a gratuity. : Liam Neeson in Schindler's List, bartering diamonds at Auschwitz. : I will opt for creative financing every time. : Robert 'Cash' Janiszewski. Creative financing is certainly called for to pay some of those county salaries, Robert. By the way, how do you find the '94 Grand Marquis? Suits you? Glad we could all help. : We know that Jersey City can be America's most livable city. : You can see the whole world and not leave Jersey City... : Together we can make Jersey City a slice of heaven. : Bret Schundler. No comment. Apropos Bob's Marquis, we'd like to pass along some info. provided by the mayor's PR dept.: apparently a local auto dealership leases a car to Schundler for $1 a year. See, leasing is better than buying. : They called it the Jersey City Renaissance. But [he] knew its Medicis and its Borgias and its Sforzas from the old days. It was a renaissance of condominiums and kickbacks, ready-mixed concrete and plasterboard walls, glass and aluminum and the cheapest wiring money could buy. None of it would last as long as the pier-pilings that had stood in its place. : Louie Brunellesches, a character in Nick Tosches's 1988 novel Cut Numbers. Excerpt reprinted with permission from Harmony Books. : I forgot more than he'll ever know. : Gerald McCann, in a prison interview. : Jesus was not a wimp. He was a tough guy. : Bret Schundler : We were friends. : Rudolph Contey, reminiscing at Allen Manzo's trial for aggravated assault for hitting Contey with a tire iron. Manzo was cleared. : When you stop sin, Father, I'll stop all the problems of Jersey City. : Gerald McCann, in a chance street encounter with a priest. : I don't think the people turned their backs on me. : Gerald McCann, while residing in Allenwood. : The political leader is a fact of life in America. The system can't function without him. : Thomas Whelan, in a Wall Street Journal article circa 1966. : Nobody hates Bret Schundler. : Joseph Rakowski, who must have no pride of authorship of his various letters to the editor. : I regard the fall of the Berlin Wall the and election of Bret Schundler in Jersey City as comparable events. : Former academic Newt Gingrich, who may have a sense of history, but not of proportion. : Maybe we can have the facilities to fix somebody's hair up. : Joseph Rakowski, fleshing out his remarks concerning the possibility that the homeless might benefit from aerobics. We'd guess that he'd just had lunch with Newt Gingrich, but the timing is wrong. : We can't afford to listen to these cries of humanity. : Thomas Whelan, whist trimming the city payroll. : Any publicity is good publicity. : Another face of Gerald McCann: the ad exec. : To my knowledge, I was born in jersey City, and have live here all my life. : Thomas Gangemi. The mayor scheduled a stop to Genoa, Italy in 1963 to accompany a man named Christopher Columbus back to Jersey City to take part in Columbus Day festivities. As a formality, the type of which we all go through, Gangemi was asked to prove his citizenship, couldn't, and naturally had to resign his post. (He was found to be a lawful citizen of Calabria, Italy. He later became a naturalized US citizen.) Kind of a shame, as he was the city's pioneer mayor elected under the Faulkner Act, which changed the form of government from mayor-commissioner to mayor-council. Thus did he become the city's first mayor directly elected by the people and de-elected by INS. : You don't even know who your father is. : Gerald McCann. Despite the elegant positioning, we do not know the true context for this remark. We're told he also called people ugly. : The problem with Jersey City is the spending of the money. : Gerald McCann : The city has not paid a nickel for the [chromium] fill. : Joseph Soriero, onetime city commissioner, referring to chromium landfill, proving again that the best things in life aren't always free. : Tomorrow, the work starts. : Jaime Vazquez's slogan while running for council in 1993. He later changed it to 'Mayor Schundler Team' to avoid even the appearance of action verbs. Another candidate for council, Francis O. Thompson, side-stepped the question of grammar altogether by choosing 'Thompson Better Quality.' Win she didn't. : : Most quotes courtesy The Jersey Journal and the Jersey City Reporter, : so we cannot positively vouch for their accuracy. But thanks for the legwork, guys. : : : : Light Reading This is priceless. Great Stuff. I need to talk to you. Please email contact info. S Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** jailhouserock posted Message 800 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 17:36:53 Subject: Re: source the quote So you like my post...I am looking to write for a paper but, the all think I am to free-thinking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pudef posted Message 801 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 20:24:51 Subject: Re: Desperate UTN will do anything : : ORGANIZED CRIME = URBAN TIMES NEWS ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bully lamb posted Message 802 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 20:27:22 Subject: Re: ORGANIZED CRIME takes over URBAN TIMES NEWS Yes I am! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woolly Bully posted Message 803 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 22:17:49 Subject: Re: ORGANIZED CRIME takes over URBAN TIMES NEWS : Yes I am! You am what? ***************** End Of Article ****************** wooly wooly posted Message 804 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 22:35:23 Subject: Re: ORGANIZED CRIME takes over URBAN TIMES NEWS funny! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 805 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 15, 2003 at 22:53:57 Subject: Booth Cuts A Deal BOOTH CUTS A DEAL Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Jersey City-Sources close to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham said that Corporation Council Alex Booth has agreed to resign at the end of this month. Booth and Cunningham have agreed on basic terms though not disclosed, freeing Booth to return to private practice where his earning power is far greater than as City Attorney. Booth’s brother Jay was named in testimony by Bob Janiszewski in testimony during the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon as one of the co-conspirators of Organized Crime, The Hudson County Democratic Organization. Alex Booth’s resignation is not necessarily related to the incrimination of brother Jay. Alex Booth was a key player in the opposition to the Cunningham administration by the Keystone Council, dominated by Bob Menendez, the head of Organized Crime. Booth’s agreement to resign can only be seen as a retracement of the influence of the HCDO after the recent primary election dominated by Cunningham and his ticket. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 806 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 16, 2003 at 07:32:57 Subject: Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 Source: The Bond Buyer By Martin Z. Braun Former Hudson County, N.J., Executive Robert Janiszewski testified last week that Jay Booth, a municipal bond banker well-known in county Democratic politics, handed him $6,000 in cash kickbacks after being selected to manage two bond deals for the county during the 1990s. Janiszewski also said Booth, currently a banker at Jersey City-based Red-Horse Securities LLC, gave him $3,000 on behalf of a vendor who had received an engineering contract. Janiszewski, the once-powerful Democratic Party powerbroker who struck a deal with prosecutors, gave the testimony last Friday at the corruption trial of Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon. She is facing charges of mail fraud and aiding extortion for allegedly funneling $10,000 in cash payments to Janiszewski from a vendor who received more than $2 million in county contracts. Hank Scheinkopf, a spokesman for Booth, called that allegation spurious. "Mr. Booth would never engage in such a practice, number one. Number two, Mr. Janiszewski and Booth were not political allies" and had a long-standing history of animosity, Scheinkopf said. "The firms that Mr. Booth was involved with did their business by complying with the law and with all appropriate regulations on the merits." Booth's conduct as a municipal securities broker has come under scrutiny before. Between 1988 and 1995, Booth was fined $60,000 by the National Association of Securities Dealers and censured for securities violations. In 1993, he was at the center of a state inquiry into political influence and the selection of underwriters in New Jersey. Although Scheinkopf said Booth and Janiszewski were political enemies for 15 years, Booth ran two small regional bond-underwriting firms in the late 1980s and early 1990s that did frequent business with the county. From 1988 through 1990, Jersey Capital Markets, which Booth operated, served as senior manager on three deals for the county and on the Hudson County Improvement Authority bond sale representing $40.1 million. The firm also served as co- manager on three deals for the same issuers valued at $283 million. After regulators forced him to close Jersey Capital Markets in 1992, Booth's new firm, Tri-State Capital Markets, served as senior manager on a $12.5 million Hudson County Improvement Authority deal and co-manager on $309 million in bond sales by the county and its improvement authority. While on the witness stand, Janiszewski said that in the early 1990s, Booth gave him an envelope containing $3,000 after Jersey Capital Markets was selected to serve as co-manager on a bond issue to finance the construction of the county's new jail. Janiszewski also testified that around 1999, Booth visited him in his office and handed over an envelope containing $3,000. The kickback came after Hudson County selected M.H. Meyerson & Co. -- the broker-dealer then employing Booth -- to serve as lead underwriter on a county deal. Scheinkopf said that Janiszewski, who controlled the board of the improvement authority, selected Booth's firm for authority bond issues despite their political animosity. "It was done on the merits," he said. On county deals, the freeholders -- the elected board of commissioners -- not Janiszewski, selected the underwriters, Scheinkopf said. "You don't have to go lobby the county executive to get these things done, necessarily," he said. Like Janiszewski, the county freeholders were all Democrats. Martin H. Meyerson, the recently retired chief executive officer of M.H. Meyerson & Co., refused to comment on Janiszewski's testimony. As the first witness in the Davila-Colon corruption trial, Janiszewski testified he received so many cash-filled envelopes from vendors and consultants that he had trouble hiding them all. The trial is the first to result from Janiszewski's undercover work for the FBI, who videotaped him accepting a cash bribe in an Atlantic City hotel in 2000. Janiszewski agreed to cooperate with authorities and secretly recorded conversations with public officials and contractors. He pleaded guilty to bribery charges last fall. Booth has not been subpoenaed by the U.S. attorney's office in the Davila-Colon case, Scheinkopf said. He also said securities regulators have not contacted Booth. Martha Mahan Haines, chief of the Securities and Exchange Commission's Office of Municipal Securities, was not in her office yesterday and could not return a call seeking comment. John Heine, an SEC spokesman, declined to comment. Earlier this year, New Jersey selected Red-Horse Securities to serve as co-manager on a $333 million issue by the state's Transportation Trust Fund Authority. The majority Native-American owned firmestablished in 2002, had never before underwritten a state bond deal. The brief resume of Booth provided by Red-Horse to the state treasurer's office called him "a recognized innovator and producer in the field of public finance in New York and New Jersey for the past 25 years." While the resume reported that Booth holds Series 7, 24, and 53 licenses, it did not report that he had been the subject of four regulatory actions by the NASD and one customer complaint. In 1988, the NASD fined and censured Booth and Jersey Capital Markets $30,000 for a series of violations, including numerous registration violations and failing to amend underwriting agreements disclosing that the firm had previously paid $20,000 to another broker. In 1992, the NASD fined Booth $25,000 and suspended him as a general securities representative for 180 days for allowing a disqualified broker to act as a registered representative, NASD records show. Later that year, the NASD censured Booth, fined him $2,500, and barred the defunct Jersey Capital Markets from reapplying for NASD membership. A year later, the president of the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority told a legislative committee investigating bond deals during the administration of former Gov. Jim Florio that Booth's firm at the time, Tri-State Capital Markets, had been included in an exposition authority deal despite never having responded to a request for proposal. In testimony to a legislative committee, authority president Robert E. Mulcahy said then-governor's counsel M. Robert DeCotiis had chosen Tri-State without consulting the authority. According to Scheinkopf, DeCotiis' decision was not unusual. "All underwriters were appointed by the governor, as I'm told they are today," he said, adding that Booth earned a "colossal" $3,000 from the bond issue. : BOOTH CUTS A DEAL : Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : Jersey City-Sources close to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham said that Corporation Council Alex Booth has agreed to resign at the end of this month. Booth and Cunningham have agreed on basic terms though not disclosed, freeing Booth to return to private practice where his earning power is far greater than as City Attorney. : Booth’s brother Jay was named in testimony by Bob Janiszewski in testimony during the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon as one of the co-conspirators of Organized Crime, The Hudson County Democratic Organization. Alex Booth’s resignation is not necessarily related to the incrimination of brother Jay. Alex Booth was a key player in the opposition to the Cunningham administration by the Keystone Council, dominated by Bob Menendez, the head of Organized Crime. : Booth’s agreement to resign can only be seen as a retracement of the influence of the HCDO after the recent primary election dominated by Cunningham and his ticket. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 807 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 16, 2003 at 10:32:01 Subject: Jersey City Medical Center-What You Don’t Know Can Kill You The board of the Medical Center includes Zulima Farber, State Senator Bernard Kenny and Jersey City Councilman Mariano Vega. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 808 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 16, 2003 at 18:11:32 Subject: McCann for Freeholder? Up in the Jersey City Heights, I've seen a number of McCann for Freeholder 2003 signs on the utility poles. Quite a few have been torn down -- particularly those in the vicinity of 595 Newark Avenue. . . Does Gerry have Glenn's blessing? If not, then who's Glenn going to back? What about the HCDO? ***************** End Of Article ****************** John Q Public posted Message 809 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 16, 2003 at 19:27:15 Subject: It's Freeholder McCann McCann will win the Freeholder Seat. NO ONE can debate better than Gerry. If there is a Debate - McCann will DESTROY his opposition. Don't hand me the McCann's a Convict nonsense ...That Freeholder District overwhelmingly elected Nidia AFTER she got indicted. The electorate could care less about McCann's jail stint. : Up in the Jersey City Heights, I've seen a number of McCann for Freeholder 2003 signs on the utility poles. : Quite a few have been torn down -- particularly those in the vicinity of 595 Newark Avenue. . . : Does Gerry have Glenn's blessing? If not, then who's Glenn going to back? What about the HCDO? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lets vote in the ex-con!...not! posted Message 810 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 16, 2003 at 20:50:02 Subject: Re: It's Freeloader McCan't NO WAY ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 811 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 17, 2003 at 08:34:00 Subject: Re: Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies Bravo, Manolo. Good Lookin' out. Who are you? would you please drop me a line? sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies : Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 : Source: The Bond Buyer : By Martin Z. Braun : Former Hudson County, N.J., Executive Robert Janiszewski testified last week that Jay Booth, a municipal bond banker well-known in county Democratic politics, handed him $6,000 in cash kickbacks after being selected to manage two bond deals for the county during the 1990s. : Janiszewski also said Booth, currently a banker at Jersey City-based Red-Horse Securities LLC, gave him $3,000 on behalf of a vendor who had received an engineering contract. : Janiszewski, the once-powerful Democratic Party powerbroker who struck a deal with prosecutors, gave the testimony last Friday at the corruption trial of Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon. She is facing charges of mail fraud and aiding extortion for allegedly funneling $10,000 in cash payments to Janiszewski from a vendor who received more than $2 million in county contracts. : Hank Scheinkopf, a spokesman for Booth, called that allegation spurious. : "Mr. Booth would never engage in such a practice, number one. Number two, Mr. Janiszewski and Booth were not political allies" and had a long-standing history of animosity, Scheinkopf said. : "The firms that Mr. Booth was involved with did their business by complying with the law and with all appropriate regulations on the merits." : Booth's conduct as a municipal securities broker has come under scrutiny before. : Between 1988 and 1995, Booth was fined $60,000 by the National Association of Securities Dealers and censured for securities violations. In 1993, he was at the center of a state inquiry into political influence and the selection of underwriters in New Jersey. : Although Scheinkopf said Booth and Janiszewski were political enemies for 15 years, Booth ran two small regional bond-underwriting firms in the late 1980s and early 1990s that did frequent business with the county. : From 1988 through 1990, Jersey Capital Markets, which Booth operated, served as senior manager on three deals for the county and on the Hudson County Improvement Authority bond sale representing $40.1 million. The firm also served as co- manager on three deals for the same issuers valued at $283 million. : After regulators forced him to close Jersey Capital Markets in 1992, Booth's new firm, Tri-State Capital Markets, served as senior manager on a $12.5 million Hudson County Improvement Authority deal and co-manager on $309 million in bond sales by the county and its improvement authority. : While on the witness stand, Janiszewski said that in the early 1990s, Booth gave him an envelope containing $3,000 after Jersey Capital Markets was selected to serve as co-manager on a bond issue to finance the construction of the county's new jail. : Janiszewski also testified that around 1999, Booth visited him in his office and handed over an envelope containing $3,000. The kickback came after Hudson County selected M.H. Meyerson & Co. -- the broker-dealer then employing Booth -- to serve as lead underwriter on a county deal. : Scheinkopf said that Janiszewski, who controlled the board of the improvement authority, selected Booth's firm for authority bond issues despite their political animosity. : "It was done on the merits," he said. : On county deals, the freeholders -- the elected board of commissioners -- not Janiszewski, selected the underwriters, Scheinkopf said. : "You don't have to go lobby the county executive to get these things done, necessarily," he said. Like Janiszewski, the county freeholders were all Democrats. : Martin H. Meyerson, the recently retired chief executive officer of M.H. Meyerson & Co., refused to comment on Janiszewski's testimony. : As the first witness in the Davila-Colon corruption trial, Janiszewski testified he received so many cash-filled envelopes from vendors and consultants that he had trouble hiding them all. The trial is the first to result from Janiszewski's undercover work for the FBI, who videotaped him accepting a cash bribe in an Atlantic City hotel in 2000. Janiszewski agreed to cooperate with authorities and secretly recorded conversations with public officials and contractors. He pleaded guilty to bribery charges last fall. : Booth has not been subpoenaed by the U.S. attorney's office in the Davila-Colon case, Scheinkopf said. He also said securities regulators have not contacted Booth. : Martha Mahan Haines, chief of the Securities and Exchange Commission's Office of Municipal Securities, was not in her office yesterday and could not return a call seeking comment. John Heine, an SEC spokesman, declined to comment. : Earlier this year, New Jersey selected Red-Horse Securities to serve as co-manager on a $333 million issue by the state's Transportation Trust Fund Authority. The majority Native-American owned firmestablished in 2002, had never before underwritten a state bond deal. : The brief resume of Booth provided by Red-Horse to the state treasurer's office called him "a recognized innovator and producer in the field of public finance in New York and New Jersey for the past 25 years." : While the resume reported that Booth holds Series 7, 24, and 53 licenses, it did not report that he had been the subject of four regulatory actions by the NASD and one customer complaint. : In 1988, the NASD fined and censured Booth and Jersey Capital Markets $30,000 for a series of violations, including numerous registration violations and failing to amend underwriting agreements disclosing that the firm had previously paid $20,000 to another broker. : In 1992, the NASD fined Booth $25,000 and suspended him as a general securities representative for 180 days for allowing a disqualified broker to act as a registered representative, NASD records show. Later that year, the NASD censured Booth, fined him $2,500, and barred the defunct Jersey Capital Markets from reapplying for NASD membership. : A year later, the president of the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority told a legislative committee investigating bond deals during the administration of former Gov. Jim Florio that Booth's firm at the time, Tri-State Capital Markets, had been included in an exposition authority deal despite never having responded to a request for proposal. : In testimony to a legislative committee, authority president Robert E. Mulcahy said then-governor's counsel M. Robert DeCotiis had chosen Tri-State without consulting the authority. : According to Scheinkopf, DeCotiis' decision was not unusual. : "All underwriters were appointed by the governor, as I'm told they are today," he said, adding that Booth earned a "colossal" $3,000 from the bond issue. : : : BOOTH CUTS A DEAL : : Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : : Jersey City-Sources close to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham said that Corporation Council Alex Booth has agreed to resign at the end of this month. Booth and Cunningham have agreed on basic terms though not disclosed, freeing Booth to return to private practice where his earning power is far greater than as City Attorney. : : Booth’s brother Jay was named in testimony by Bob Janiszewski in testimony during the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon as one of the co-conspirators of Organized Crime, The Hudson County Democratic Organization. Alex Booth’s resignation is not necessarily related to the incrimination of brother Jay. Alex Booth was a key player in the opposition to the Cunningham administration by the Keystone Council, dominated by Bob Menendez, the head of Organized Crime. : : Booth’s agreement to resign can only be seen as a retracement of the influence of the HCDO after the recent primary election dominated by Cunningham and his ticket. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Da Grand Jury posted Message 812 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 17, 2003 at 21:39:39 Subject: Maurice - Next to be Indicted ? Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons is leading the poll of who is the next official to be indicted by the Feds. Cast your vote now ! www.edmecka.com/indictmentpoll.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 813 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 13:22:21 Subject: Forked Tongue? Re: Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies New Jersey Valerie Red-Horse, Native Nations Securities The first Native American to control a securities firm, Red-Horse answered phones for junk-bond king Michael Milken in the 1980s. She has also been an actress and is best known for serving as the model for Mattel's Pocahontas doll. In 2001, Native Nations bought Freeman Securities in Jersey City, N.J., setting it on a path to become the epicenter of the stock loan collapse that bankrupted Stockwalk. : Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies : Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 : Source: The Bond Buyer : By Martin Z. Braun : Former Hudson County, N.J., Executive Robert Janiszewski testified last week that Jay Booth, a municipal bond banker well-known in county Democratic politics, handed him $6,000 in cash kickbacks after being selected to manage two bond deals for the county during the 1990s. : Janiszewski also said Booth, currently a banker at Jersey City-based Red-Horse Securities LLC, gave him $3,000 on behalf of a vendor who had received an engineering contract. : Janiszewski, the once-powerful Democratic Party powerbroker who struck a deal with prosecutors, gave the testimony last Friday at the corruption trial of Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon. She is facing charges of mail fraud and aiding extortion for allegedly funneling $10,000 in cash payments to Janiszewski from a vendor who received more than $2 million in county contracts. : Hank Scheinkopf, a spokesman for Booth, called that allegation spurious. : "Mr. Booth would never engage in such a practice, number one. Number two, Mr. Janiszewski and Booth were not political allies" and had a long-standing history of animosity, Scheinkopf said. : "The firms that Mr. Booth was involved with did their business by complying with the law and with all appropriate regulations on the merits." : Booth's conduct as a municipal securities broker has come under scrutiny before. : Between 1988 and 1995, Booth was fined $60,000 by the National Association of Securities Dealers and censured for securities violations. In 1993, he was at the center of a state inquiry into political influence and the selection of underwriters in New Jersey. : Although Scheinkopf said Booth and Janiszewski were political enemies for 15 years, Booth ran two small regional bond-underwriting firms in the late 1980s and early 1990s that did frequent business with the county. : From 1988 through 1990, Jersey Capital Markets, which Booth operated, served as senior manager on three deals for the county and on the Hudson County Improvement Authority bond sale representing $40.1 million. The firm also served as co- manager on three deals for the same issuers valued at $283 million. : After regulators forced him to close Jersey Capital Markets in 1992, Booth's new firm, Tri-State Capital Markets, served as senior manager on a $12.5 million Hudson County Improvement Authority deal and co-manager on $309 million in bond sales by the county and its improvement authority. : While on the witness stand, Janiszewski said that in the early 1990s, Booth gave him an envelope containing $3,000 after Jersey Capital Markets was selected to serve as co-manager on a bond issue to finance the construction of the county's new jail. : Janiszewski also testified that around 1999, Booth visited him in his office and handed over an envelope containing $3,000. The kickback came after Hudson County selected M.H. Meyerson & Co. -- the broker-dealer then employing Booth -- to serve as lead underwriter on a county deal. : Scheinkopf said that Janiszewski, who controlled the board of the improvement authority, selected Booth's firm for authority bond issues despite their political animosity. : "It was done on the merits," he said. : On county deals, the freeholders -- the elected board of commissioners -- not Janiszewski, selected the underwriters, Scheinkopf said. : "You don't have to go lobby the county executive to get these things done, necessarily," he said. Like Janiszewski, the county freeholders were all Democrats. : Martin H. Meyerson, the recently retired chief executive officer of M.H. Meyerson & Co., refused to comment on Janiszewski's testimony. : As the first witness in the Davila-Colon corruption trial, Janiszewski testified he received so many cash-filled envelopes from vendors and consultants that he had trouble hiding them all. The trial is the first to result from Janiszewski's undercover work for the FBI, who videotaped him accepting a cash bribe in an Atlantic City hotel in 2000. Janiszewski agreed to cooperate with authorities and secretly recorded conversations with public officials and contractors. He pleaded guilty to bribery charges last fall. : Booth has not been subpoenaed by the U.S. attorney's office in the Davila-Colon case, Scheinkopf said. He also said securities regulators have not contacted Booth. : Martha Mahan Haines, chief of the Securities and Exchange Commission's Office of Municipal Securities, was not in her office yesterday and could not return a call seeking comment. John Heine, an SEC spokesman, declined to comment. : Earlier this year, New Jersey selected Red-Horse Securities to serve as co-manager on a $333 million issue by the state's Transportation Trust Fund Authority. The majority Native-American owned firmestablished in 2002, had never before underwritten a state bond deal. : The brief resume of Booth provided by Red-Horse to the state treasurer's office called him "a recognized innovator and producer in the field of public finance in New York and New Jersey for the past 25 years." : While the resume reported that Booth holds Series 7, 24, and 53 licenses, it did not report that he had been the subject of four regulatory actions by the NASD and one customer complaint. : In 1988, the NASD fined and censured Booth and Jersey Capital Markets $30,000 for a series of violations, including numerous registration violations and failing to amend underwriting agreements disclosing that the firm had previously paid $20,000 to another broker. : In 1992, the NASD fined Booth $25,000 and suspended him as a general securities representative for 180 days for allowing a disqualified broker to act as a registered representative, NASD records show. Later that year, the NASD censured Booth, fined him $2,500, and barred the defunct Jersey Capital Markets from reapplying for NASD membership. : A year later, the president of the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority told a legislative committee investigating bond deals during the administration of former Gov. Jim Florio that Booth's firm at the time, Tri-State Capital Markets, had been included in an exposition authority deal despite never having responded to a request for proposal. : In testimony to a legislative committee, authority president Robert E. Mulcahy said then-governor's counsel M. Robert DeCotiis had chosen Tri-State without consulting the authority. : According to Scheinkopf, DeCotiis' decision was not unusual. : "All underwriters were appointed by the governor, as I'm told they are today," he said, adding that Booth earned a "colossal" $3,000 from the bond issue. : : : BOOTH CUTS A DEAL : : Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : : Jersey City-Sources close to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham said that Corporation Council Alex Booth has agreed to resign at the end of this month. Booth and Cunningham have agreed on basic terms though not disclosed, freeing Booth to return to private practice where his earning power is far greater than as City Attorney. : : Booth’s brother Jay was named in testimony by Bob Janiszewski in testimony during the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon as one of the co-conspirators of Organized Crime, The Hudson County Democratic Organization. Alex Booth’s resignation is not necessarily related to the incrimination of brother Jay. Alex Booth was a key player in the opposition to the Cunningham administration by the Keystone Council, dominated by Bob Menendez, the head of Organized Crime. : : Booth’s agreement to resign can only be seen as a retracement of the influence of the HCDO after the recent primary election dominated by Cunningham and his ticket. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 814 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 16:50:54 Subject: LIPSKI FOR SALE Signs Particularly around the DMZ (known to the innocent as FIVE CORNERS), the utility poles are getting plastered with an eye-catching sign. The scan above gives the idea, but you really need to be present at a flock of a dozen or so at a single corner in order to have the complete experience. Might one assume this to be a grass roots effort? Certainly, if Councilman Lipski is not observing the same set of rigorous principles as the other elected officials of Hudson County, I'd expect the anger of the citizenry would be frightful. As luck would have it (strictly a coincidence, I'm sure), the Lipski outdoor wallpaper is covering up the McCann For Freeholder 2003 broadsides. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Always room for one more... posted Message 815 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 17:05:45 Subject: An honest man in New Jersey? PatersonNot in politics, it seems ***************** End Of Article ****************** Penny for your thoughts posted Message 816 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 20:07:43 Subject: Re: LIPSKI FOR SALE Signs I give you a penny, and it's my final offer! ***************** End Of Article ****************** coo coo ca choo posted Message 817 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 21:12:54 Subject: Re: McCann for Freeholder? I here he's running on his record ***************** End Of Article ****************** Urban crap posted Message 818 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 21:14:52 Subject: Re: ORGANIZED CRIME KIDNAPS URBAN TIMES NEWS who wants that rag? wont even use that as insulation ***************** End Of Article ****************** flipski posted Message 819 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 21:17:18 Subject: Re: LIPSKI FOR SALE Signs I saw one at his parking spot, priceless ***************** End Of Article ****************** INMATE # posted Message 820 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 18, 2003 at 21:18:11 Subject: Re: McCann for Freeholder? Yes, he is running on his record …his criminal record that is! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 821 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 19, 2003 at 05:50:06 Subject: Re: Forked Tongue? Native Nations/Redwood MANOLO-WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS? ARE YOU NASD? PLEASE CONTACT ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH YOU sglazer@urbantimesnews.com New Jersey : Valerie Red-Horse, Native Nations Securities : The first Native American to control a securities firm, Red-Horse answered phones for junk-bond king Michael Milken in the 1980s. She has also been an actress and is best known for serving as the model for Mattel's Pocahontas doll. In 2001, Native Nations bought Freeman Securities in Jersey City, N.J., setting it on a path to become the epicenter of the stock loan collapse that bankrupted Stockwalk. Manolo--Where are you getting this? Please email me. I want to ask you a couple of things. You seem to know a lot. SLG : : : Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies : : Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 : : Source: The Bond Buyer : : By Martin Z. Braun : : Former Hudson County, N.J., Executive Robert Janiszewski testified last week that Jay Booth, a municipal bond banker well-known in county Democratic politics, handed him $6,000 in cash kickbacks after being selected to manage two bond deals for the county during the 1990s. : : Janiszewski also said Booth, currently a banker at Jersey City-based Red-Horse Securities LLC, gave him $3,000 on behalf of a vendor who had received an engineering contract. : : Janiszewski, the once-powerful Democratic Party powerbroker who struck a deal with prosecutors, gave the testimony last Friday at the corruption trial of Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon. She is facing charges of mail fraud and aiding extortion for allegedly funneling $10,000 in cash payments to Janiszewski from a vendor who received more than $2 million in county contracts. : : Hank Scheinkopf, a spokesman for Booth, called that allegation spurious. : : "Mr. Booth would never engage in such a practice, number one. Number two, Mr. Janiszewski and Booth were not political allies" and had a long-standing history of animosity, Scheinkopf said. : : "The firms that Mr. Booth was involved with did their business by complying with the law and with all appropriate regulations on the merits." : : Booth's conduct as a municipal securities broker has come under scrutiny before. : : Between 1988 and 1995, Booth was fined $60,000 by the National Association of Securities Dealers and censured for securities violations. In 1993, he was at the center of a state inquiry into political influence and the selection of underwriters in New Jersey. : : Although Scheinkopf said Booth and Janiszewski were political enemies for 15 years, Booth ran two small regional bond-underwriting firms in the late 1980s and early 1990s that did frequent business with the county. : : From 1988 through 1990, Jersey Capital Markets, which Booth operated, served as senior manager on three deals for the county and on the Hudson County Improvement Authority bond sale representing $40.1 million. The firm also served as co- manager on three deals for the same issuers valued at $283 million. : : After regulators forced him to close Jersey Capital Markets in 1992, Booth's new firm, Tri-State Capital Markets, served as senior manager on a $12.5 million Hudson County Improvement Authority deal and co-manager on $309 million in bond sales by the county and its improvement authority. : : While on the witness stand, Janiszewski said that in the early 1990s, Booth gave him an envelope containing $3,000 after Jersey Capital Markets was selected to serve as co-manager on a bond issue to finance the construction of the county's new jail. : : Janiszewski also testified that around 1999, Booth visited him in his office and handed over an envelope containing $3,000. The kickback came after Hudson County selected M.H. Meyerson & Co. -- the broker-dealer then employing Booth -- to serve as lead underwriter on a county deal. : : Scheinkopf said that Janiszewski, who controlled the board of the improvement authority, selected Booth's firm for authority bond issues despite their political animosity. : : "It was done on the merits," he said. : : On county deals, the freeholders -- the elected board of commissioners -- not Janiszewski, selected the underwriters, Scheinkopf said. : : "You don't have to go lobby the county executive to get these things done, necessarily," he said. Like Janiszewski, the county freeholders were all Democrats. : : Martin H. Meyerson, the recently retired chief executive officer of M.H. Meyerson & Co., refused to comment on Janiszewski's testimony. : : As the first witness in the Davila-Colon corruption trial, Janiszewski testified he received so many cash-filled envelopes from vendors and consultants that he had trouble hiding them all. The trial is the first to result from Janiszewski's undercover work for the FBI, who videotaped him accepting a cash bribe in an Atlantic City hotel in 2000. Janiszewski agreed to cooperate with authorities and secretly recorded conversations with public officials and contractors. He pleaded guilty to bribery charges last fall. : : Booth has not been subpoenaed by the U.S. attorney's office in the Davila-Colon case, Scheinkopf said. He also said securities regulators have not contacted Booth. : : Martha Mahan Haines, chief of the Securities and Exchange Commission's Office of Municipal Securities, was not in her office yesterday and could not return a call seeking comment. John Heine, an SEC spokesman, declined to comment. : : Earlier this year, New Jersey selected Red-Horse Securities to serve as co-manager on a $333 million issue by the state's Transportation Trust Fund Authority. The majority Native-American owned firmestablished in 2002, had never before underwritten a state bond deal. : : The brief resume of Booth provided by Red-Horse to the state treasurer's office called him "a recognized innovator and producer in the field of public finance in New York and New Jersey for the past 25 years." : : While the resume reported that Booth holds Series 7, 24, and 53 licenses, it did not report that he had been the subject of four regulatory actions by the NASD and one customer complaint. : : In 1988, the NASD fined and censured Booth and Jersey Capital Markets $30,000 for a series of violations, including numerous registration violations and failing to amend underwriting agreements disclosing that the firm had previously paid $20,000 to another broker. : : In 1992, the NASD fined Booth $25,000 and suspended him as a general securities representative for 180 days for allowing a disqualified broker to act as a registered representative, NASD records show. Later that year, the NASD censured Booth, fined him $2,500, and barred the defunct Jersey Capital Markets from reapplying for NASD membership. : : A year later, the president of the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority told a legislative committee investigating bond deals during the administration of former Gov. Jim Florio that Booth's firm at the time, Tri-State Capital Markets, had been included in an exposition authority deal despite never having responded to a request for proposal. : : In testimony to a legislative committee, authority president Robert E. Mulcahy said then-governor's counsel M. Robert DeCotiis had chosen Tri-State without consulting the authority. : : According to Scheinkopf, DeCotiis' decision was not unusual. : : "All underwriters were appointed by the governor, as I'm told they are today," he said, adding that Booth earned a "colossal" $3,000 from the bond issue. : : : : : BOOTH CUTS A DEAL : : : Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : : : Jersey City-Sources close to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham said that Corporation Council Alex Booth has agreed to resign at the end of this month. Booth and Cunningham have agreed on basic terms though not disclosed, freeing Booth to return to private practice where his earning power is far greater than as City Attorney. : : : Booth’s brother Jay was named in testimony by Bob Janiszewski in testimony during the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon as one of the co-conspirators of Organized Crime, The Hudson County Democratic Organization. Alex Booth’s resignation is not necessarily related to the incrimination of brother Jay. Alex Booth was a key player in the opposition to the Cunningham administration by the Keystone Council, dominated by Bob Menendez, the head of Organized Crime. : : : Booth’s agreement to resign can only be seen as a retracement of the influence of the HCDO after the recent primary election dominated by Cunningham and his ticket. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 822 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 19, 2003 at 08:18:36 Subject: Re: Forked Tongue? Native Nations/Redwood Go to h-ll Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 823 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 19, 2003 at 13:16:31 Subject: Red Horse and Penny Stock Scandal - Re: Forked Tongue? Re: Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies TSX member Deutsche Bank in major penny stock scandal 2002-11-14 17:42 PT - Street Wire by Brent Mudry In one of the biggest fraud scandals to rock Bay Street in recent years, Deutsche Bank's Toronto branch and a recently terminated senior broker are the lead defendants in an unsealed $250-million suit claiming the Deutsche broker and two old friends, one of whom is a convicted felon, conspired with controversial international financier Adnan Khashoggi, a lawyer running a strip bar in Las Vegas, and unnamed others to rig Rafi Khan promotion GenesisIntermedia and several other stocks last year, causing the collapse of a small New Jersey brokerage and its Minnesota clearing brokerage. (All figures are in U.S. dollars.) This case seeks to recover for the estate of MJK Clearing Inc. a unit of Miller Johnson Steichen Kinnard, a Minnesota brokerage,(the biggest U.S. brokerage collapse in decades) more than $250,000,000 in damages caused by a wide-ranging and sophisticated securities loan and market manipulation scheme that was financed by Deutsche Bank, one of the world's largest financial institutions. The scheme directly caused the insolvency of MJK and resulted in the loss of the jobs of more than 200 Minnesota residents, states the suit. Although not noted in the suit, the GenesisIntermedia case has been under intensive investigation by a number of U.S. authorities, including the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, and the National Association of Securities Dealers, for more than a year. Criminal probes are also likely at an advanced stage. The lawsuit allegations, if proven true, will be discomfiting for Mr. Khashoggi, the Paris-based Saudi arms merchant who was involved in the Iran-Contra affair. Mr. Khashoggi is wanted by Thai police as a defendant in the $2-billion fraudulent collapse of the Bangkok Bank of Commerce in 1996, the first significant banking scandal in the Asian meltdown. For years, Mr. Khashoggi has been a key associate of fugitive Thai financier and offshore pro Rakesh Saxena of Vancouver, who is fighting extradition for his alleged key roles in the Thai bank's collapse. (Mr. Saxena is not known to be involved in the GenesisIntermedia case.) The serious allegations have not yet been proven in court. The Toronto scandal is especially embarrassing for German financial services giant Deutsche Bank AG, the Toronto unit's parent, as systemic supervision problems led to a major London scandal in 1996 at Morgan Grenfell Asset Management, a British unit. That case featured Peter Young, the young British fund manager who took up cross-dressing with a passion after his arrest. MGAM got a record $3.3-million fine, while parent Deutsche Bank, which suffered a $730-million loss, sacked five managers, including the former MGAM chief executive officer. In a 125-page suit filed Sept. 19 in United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Minnesota, unsealed Wednesday, the receiver for MJK Clearing claims Wayne Breedon, the former head of securities lending for Deutsche Bank in Toronto was the key player in a sophisticated fraudulent stock-lending scheme unprecedented in scope. "The scheme, which was all made possible by Deutsche Bank, which advanced hundreds of millions of dollars to fund it," states the suit. Mr. Breedon was placed on administrative leave this spring. The trustee claims that during most of 2001, Mr. Breedon had no immediate supervisors in Toronto and was thus the de facto, if not titular, head of Deutsche Bank's and Deutsche Bank SL's securities lending in the Toronto office. The detailed suit was filed by Minneapolis lawyer James P. Stephenson of Faegre & Benson, the court-appointed liquidating trustee for MJK Clearing Inc., and seeks $200-million in lost stock-loan funds and $50-million in damages caused by the destruction of MJK's business. The suit value is actually in excess of $750-million, as the trustee seeks treble damages under the RICO, or Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act, plus punitive damages and attorneys' fees. The scheme collapsed in the wake of Sept. 11 and Nasdaq's halt of GenesisIntermedia trading on Sept. 25, 2001. The first, or second, casualty was Native Nations Securities Inc., a small New Jersey brokerage run by Valerie Red-Horse, who served as a former office manager for Michael Milken, the disgraced junk bond financier. (Besides being a rising brokerage executive, Ms. Red-Horse, a Cherokee Indian, has appeared as an actress in such television series as "Murder She Wrote," "Santa Barbara," "Babylon 5," and "Perry Mason.") In the daisy chain, Native Nations received 7.2 million loaned GenesisIntermedia shares, in turn loaned the shares to the MJK and MJK Clearing reloaned the shares to at least four brokerages. When GenesisIntermedia shares resumed after a three-day 9-11 closure, the stock fell, and the brokerages turned to MJK for money to cover them. MJK then looked in turn to Native Nations for payment, but Native Nations claimed a 'rogue employee' had doctored its books to hide the identity of the person or entity that had loaned the 7.2 million shares, and that $60-million was now 'missing,'" states one court filing. The failure of Native Nations to remit the funds to MJK led to MJK being seized under protection by the Securities Investors Protection Corp., in what is believed to be the largest failure of a U.S. brokerage in three decades. The named defendants in the Minnesota case are Deutsche Bank AG, Deutsche Bank Seecurities Inc., Deutsche Bank Securities Ltd., Mr. Breedon, RBF International Inc., Kenneth D'Angelo, Richard Evangelista, GenesisIntermedia, Ramy El-Batrawi, Mr. Khashoggi, his offshore Bermuda-based company Ultimate Holdings Ltd., Bradford Keiller and John Does 1-10. "The scheme was hatched and orchestrated by three old friends, who between them had decades of experience in the securities industry -- Kenneth D'Angelo, a convicted stock-loan felon, Richard Evangelista, a senior manager of a small brokerage firm thene known as Freeman Securities Inc., and Wayne Breedon, the head of securities lending for Deutsche Bank in Toronto, Canada," states the suit. The trustee claims Deutsche Bank enabled the whole scheme by advancing hundreds of millions of dollars to finance it. "It reaped millions of dollars in proceeds, for, among others, Adnan Khashoggi, a well known Saudi financier and arms merchant, and his business partner, Ramy El-Batrawi." Prior to joining Deutsche Bank, Mr. Breedon was formerly associated with RBF, a New Jersey firm which acted as a securities lending "finder," controlled by Mr. D'Angelo, a long-time friend and business associate. Both RBF and Mr. D'Angelo have some baggage. In 1993, both were disciplined by the SEC for violating tender offer rules by selling securities borrowed from Native Nations, then known as Freeman. RBF and Mr. D'Angelo agreed to return more than $500,000 in illicit profits, and Mr. D'Angelo was later sued by the SEC in 1997 to collect the final $225,000 which he had previously agreed to pay. In an earlier case case, on March 4, 1985, Mr. Angelo pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and wire fraud in connection with fraudulent stock-loan transactions and phony purchases and sales of securities. The transactions, spanning from 1978 to 1982, gave Mr. D'Angelo and others temporary use of more than $1-million belonging to other brokerages. The third member of the trio, Mr. Evangelista, was formerly a vice-president of Native Nations. He was fired in September, 2001, purportedly for falsifying Native Nations' books and records in connection with some of the transactions detailed in the suit. In other recent proceedings relating to GenesisIntermedia, Mr. Evangelista refused to testify, invoking his 5th Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. The other notable character is Mr. Keiller, described as a lawyer by training whose most recent business appears to be owning a strip club in Las Vegas. Employees at the peeler bar claim he has terminated his involvement and left no forwarding address. "Mr. Keiller participated in the market manipulation of GENI stock by undertaking hundreds of purchases and sales of GENI stock for the purpose of maintaining the stock price and false making it appear that there was a genuine interest in the stock," states the suit. Between February and September of last year, Mr. Keiller allegedly bought and sold more than $22-million worth of GenesisIntermedia shares and also sent millions of dollars to Ultimate, the offshore holding company controlled by Mr. Khashoggi. While stock lending between brokerages is a legitimate, common and usually low-risk practice, the Minnesota trustee claims the Breedon ring's activities were broadly fraudulent. "In this case, Mr. Breedon and his long-time associates, Mr. D'Angelo and Mr. Evangelista, stood the business of stock lending on its head. On a daily basis, Mr. D'Angelo, Mr. Breedon and Mr. Evangelista co-ordinated stock-loan transactions with dozens of American and Canadian brokerage firms, transactions which were presented as legitimate stock loans but were really little more than devices to obtain cash for the benefit of the promoters behind the securities being lent," states the suit. (This is the second major stock-lending scandal in recent years to feature strong Canadian connections. In May, 2001, in one of the largest trial wins in its history, the SEC won a $27-million fine against Guido Bensberg, a Swiss-German financier who formerly kept a residence in Vancouver, for his role as mastermind of a $200-million-plus share-leasing scheme. Mr. Bensberg's scheme, which featured a number of key British Columbia players, included one of Toronto stock promoter Jack Banks's companies.) The trustee claims that while it is often hard to blow off large share positions in penny stock rig jobs without driving down the stock price, "the scheme utilized by the defendants brilliantly overcame that fundamental problem." "By purporting to 'lend' the securities in question, Mr. Breedon, Mr. D'Angelo and Mr. Evangelista could require unsuspecting broker/dealers to advance cash as 'collateral' for the loans of the securities, and then as the prices of those securities were driven up, the 'borrowing' brokerage firms were required to advance additional cash as 'collateral,'" states the suit. "Thus, the scheme enabled the owners of the securities to profit from massive increases in market price without having to unload the securities into a market which had few real buyers. Effectively, the defendants sold securities to stock borrowers and the borrowers became unwitting buyers at inflated prices." Although not noted in the bankruptcy suit, this April the SEC revealed that penny stock promoter Rafi Mohamad Khan is under investigation again. The regulator claims he may have used a Pakistani holding company and his wife, Rubina Khan, to trade shares of four companies: Ontro Inc., GenesisIntermedia Inc., eUniverse Inc. and Aura Systems Inc. in contravention of a market ban imposed two years ago. On April 1, the SEC filed an application with the United States District Court for the Central District of California to compel Ms. Khan to co-operate with investigators. Although the SEC believes Ms. Khan fronted for her notorious husband, she has been reluctant to testify and provide other evidence about numerous transactions in a bank account and brokerage account in her name. This spring, the SEC moved quickly to escalate an investigation, launched in November, 2001, into Mr. Khan's roles with Ontro and eUniverse, both listed on the Nasdaq Small Cap Market, GenesisIntermedia, listed on the Nasdaq National Market System, and Aura Systems, listed on the OTC Bulletin Board. In consent settlements in May, 2000, Mr. Khan was banned from associating with any broker or dealer for at least five years, stemming from his egregious rig jobs of L.L. Knickerbocker Co. Inc. in 1995 and Future Communications Inc. in 1993. The controversial penny stock promoter, who turned over to become a star witness for the U.S. Department of Justice in the fall of 1998, was not fined a penny for either rig job, a measure of just how valuable he is to federal officials. The current case, in which Mr. Khan, a key federal informant, has allegedly lapsed back into illegal behaviour, is every regulator's or cop's worst nightmare. Mr. Khan is no stranger to controversy. He was one of the key brokers at Reynolds Kendrick Stratton after legendary boiler-room operator Irving Kott led a group which took control of the Los Angeles penny stock brokerage in the spring of 1993. Mr. Khan also had a fondness for Howe Street, the centre of dealings for the former Vancouver Stock Exchange.As noted in SEC court filings, the period of investigation dates back to June, 2000, less than a month after Mr. Khan signed his consent settlement with the regulator. bmudry@stockwatch.com : New Jersey : Valerie Red-Horse, Native Nations Securities : The first Native American to control a securities firm, Red-Horse answered phones for junk-bond king Michael Milken in the 1980s. She has also been an actress and is best known for serving as the model for Mattel's Pocahontas doll. In 2001, Native Nations bought Freeman Securities in Jersey City, N.J., setting it on a path to become the epicenter of the stock loan collapse that bankrupted Stockwalk. : : : Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies : : Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 : : Source: The Bond Buyer : : By Martin Z. Braun : : Former Hudson County, N.J., Executive Robert Janiszewski testified last week that Jay Booth, a municipal bond banker well-known in county Democratic politics, handed him $6,000 in cash kickbacks after being selected to manage two bond deals for the county during the 1990s. : : Janiszewski also said Booth, currently a banker at Jersey City-based Red-Horse Securities LLC, gave him $3,000 on behalf of a vendor who had received an engineering contract. : : Janiszewski, the once-powerful Democratic Party powerbroker who struck a deal with prosecutors, gave the testimony last Friday at the corruption trial of Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon. She is facing charges of mail fraud and aiding extortion for allegedly funneling $10,000 in cash payments to Janiszewski from a vendor who received more than $2 million in county contracts. : : Hank Scheinkopf, a spokesman for Booth, called that allegation spurious. : : "Mr. Booth would never engage in such a practice, number one. Number two, Mr. Janiszewski and Booth were not political allies" and had a long-standing history of animosity, Scheinkopf said. : : "The firms that Mr. Booth was involved with did their business by complying with the law and with all appropriate regulations on the merits." : : Booth's conduct as a municipal securities broker has come under scrutiny before. : : Between 1988 and 1995, Booth was fined $60,000 by the National Association of Securities Dealers and censured for securities violations. In 1993, he was at the center of a state inquiry into political influence and the selection of underwriters in New Jersey. : : Although Scheinkopf said Booth and Janiszewski were political enemies for 15 years, Booth ran two small regional bond-underwriting firms in the late 1980s and early 1990s that did frequent business with the county. : : From 1988 through 1990, Jersey Capital Markets, which Booth operated, served as senior manager on three deals for the county and on the Hudson County Improvement Authority bond sale representing $40.1 million. The firm also served as co- manager on three deals for the same issuers valued at $283 million. : : After regulators forced him to close Jersey Capital Markets in 1992, Booth's new firm, Tri-State Capital Markets, served as senior manager on a $12.5 million Hudson County Improvement Authority deal and co-manager on $309 million in bond sales by the county and its improvement authority. : : While on the witness stand, Janiszewski said that in the early 1990s, Booth gave him an envelope containing $3,000 after Jersey Capital Markets was selected to serve as co-manager on a bond issue to finance the construction of the county's new jail. : : Janiszewski also testified that around 1999, Booth visited him in his office and handed over an envelope containing $3,000. The kickback came after Hudson County selected M.H. Meyerson & Co. -- the broker-dealer then employing Booth -- to serve as lead underwriter on a county deal. : : Scheinkopf said that Janiszewski, who controlled the board of the improvement authority, selected Booth's firm for authority bond issues despite their political animosity. : : "It was done on the merits," he said. : : On county deals, the freeholders -- the elected board of commissioners -- not Janiszewski, selected the underwriters, Scheinkopf said. : : "You don't have to go lobby the county executive to get these things done, necessarily," he said. Like Janiszewski, the county freeholders were all Democrats. : : Martin H. Meyerson, the recently retired chief executive officer of M.H. Meyerson & Co., refused to comment on Janiszewski's testimony. : : As the first witness in the Davila-Colon corruption trial, Janiszewski testified he received so many cash-filled envelopes from vendors and consultants that he had trouble hiding them all. The trial is the first to result from Janiszewski's undercover work for the FBI, who videotaped him accepting a cash bribe in an Atlantic City hotel in 2000. Janiszewski agreed to cooperate with authorities and secretly recorded conversations with public officials and contractors. He pleaded guilty to bribery charges last fall. : : Booth has not been subpoenaed by the U.S. attorney's office in the Davila-Colon case, Scheinkopf said. He also said securities regulators have not contacted Booth. : : Martha Mahan Haines, chief of the Securities and Exchange Commission's Office of Municipal Securities, was not in her office yesterday and could not return a call seeking comment. John Heine, an SEC spokesman, declined to comment. : : Earlier this year, New Jersey selected Red-Horse Securities to serve as co-manager on a $333 million issue by the state's Transportation Trust Fund Authority. The majority Native-American owned firmestablished in 2002, had never before underwritten a state bond deal. : : The brief resume of Booth provided by Red-Horse to the state treasurer's office called him "a recognized innovator and producer in the field of public finance in New York and New Jersey for the past 25 years." : : While the resume reported that Booth holds Series 7, 24, and 53 licenses, it did not report that he had been the subject of four regulatory actions by the NASD and one customer complaint. : : In 1988, the NASD fined and censured Booth and Jersey Capital Markets $30,000 for a series of violations, including numerous registration violations and failing to amend underwriting agreements disclosing that the firm had previously paid $20,000 to another broker. : : In 1992, the NASD fined Booth $25,000 and suspended him as a general securities representative for 180 days for allowing a disqualified broker to act as a registered representative, NASD records show. Later that year, the NASD censured Booth, fined him $2,500, and barred the defunct Jersey Capital Markets from reapplying for NASD membership. : : A year later, the president of the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority told a legislative committee investigating bond deals during the administration of former Gov. Jim Florio that Booth's firm at the time, Tri-State Capital Markets, had been included in an exposition authority deal despite never having responded to a request for proposal. : : In testimony to a legislative committee, authority president Robert E. Mulcahy said then-governor's counsel M. Robert DeCotiis had chosen Tri-State without consulting the authority. : : According to Scheinkopf, DeCotiis' decision was not unusual. : : "All underwriters were appointed by the governor, as I'm told they are today," he said, adding that Booth earned a "colossal" $3,000 from the bond issue. : : : : : BOOTH CUTS A DEAL : : : Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : : : Jersey City-Sources close to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham said that Corporation Council Alex Booth has agreed to resign at the end of this month. Booth and Cunningham have agreed on basic terms though not disclosed, freeing Booth to return to private practice where his earning power is far greater than as City Attorney. : : : Booth’s brother Jay was named in testimony by Bob Janiszewski in testimony during the corruption trial of Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon as one of the co-conspirators of Organized Crime, The Hudson County Democratic Organization. Alex Booth’s resignation is not necessarily related to the incrimination of brother Jay. Alex Booth was a key player in the opposition to the Cunningham administration by the Keystone Council, dominated by Bob Menendez, the head of Organized Crime. : : : Booth’s agreement to resign can only be seen as a retracement of the influence of the HCDO after the recent primary election dominated by Cunningham and his ticket. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 824 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 19, 2003 at 14:38:09 Subject: Re: Bond Banker Booth Gave Bribes, Former N.J. County Exec Testifies No thanks > you have an agenda that is not in the best interest of Jersey City. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woolly Bully posted Message 825 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 19, 2003 at 19:54:15 Subject: Re: McCann for Freeholder? : Up in the Jersey City Heights, I've seen a number of McCann for Freeholder 2003 signs on the utility poles. : Quite a few have been torn down -- particularly those in the vicinity of 595 Newark Avenue. . . : Does Gerry have Glenn's blessing? If not, then who's Glenn going to back? What about the HCDO? McCann is a liar,a cheat and who will ever trust him. He wants so much to have power. His only use is to create trouble. McCann is just a loser. ***************** End Of Article ****************** A real voter. posted Message 826 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 20, 2003 at 21:49:26 Subject: Re: It's Freeholder McCann : McCann will win the Freeholder Seat. NO ONE can debate better than Gerry. If there is a Debate - McCann will DESTROY his opposition. : Don't hand me the McCann's a Convict nonsense ...That Freeholder District overwhelmingly elected Nidia AFTER she got indicted. The electorate could care less about McCann's jail stint. Nidia was indicted after the primary not before. And by looking at some of these posts the electorate does care. McCann is not the answer to ridding Hudson County of these criminals. Put someone better up and we will support it. : : : Up in the Jersey City Heights, I've seen a number of McCann for Freeholder 2003 signs on the utility poles. : : Quite a few have been torn down -- particularly those in the vicinity of 595 Newark Avenue. . . : : Does Gerry have Glenn's blessing? If not, then who's Glenn going to back? What about the HCDO? ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE FACTS posted Message 827 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 20, 2003 at 22:03:50 Subject: Re: It's Freeholder McCann Nidia was overwhelmingly elected in November - AFTER SHE WAS INDICTED. YOU ARE WRONG. : : McCann will win the Freeholder Seat. NO ONE can debate better than Gerry. If there is a Debate - McCann will DESTROY his opposition. : : Don't hand me the McCann's a Convict nonsense ...That Freeholder District overwhelmingly elected Nidia AFTER she got indicted. The electorate could care less about McCann's jail stint. : Nidia was indicted after the primary not before. And by looking at some of these posts the electorate does care. McCann is not the answer to ridding Hudson County of these criminals. Put someone better up and we will support it. : : : : : Up in the Jersey City Heights, I've seen a number of McCann for Freeholder 2003 signs on the utility poles. : : : Quite a few have been torn down -- particularly those in the vicinity of 595 Newark Avenue. . . : : : Does Gerry have Glenn's blessing? If not, then who's Glenn going to back? What about the HCDO? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wooly Bully posted Message 828 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 20, 2003 at 23:22:12 Subject: McCann's the Mann Wherever he goes people call him Mayor. He loves this place and he lives for it and he knows it better than anybody. What he did had nothing to do with being Mayor or holding office. This is a good man. Nobody has the energy he does. And nobody is willing to work as hard. Nobody. ***************** End Of Article ****************** It has 1 L you sphincter posted Message 829 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 20, 2003 at 23:24:27 Subject: Re: McCann for Freeholder? : : Up in the Jersey City Heights, I've seen a number of McCann for Freeholder 2003 signs on the utility poles. : : Quite a few have been torn down -- particularly those in the vicinity of 595 Newark Avenue. . . : : Does Gerry have Glenn's blessing? If not, then who's Glenn going to back? What about the HCDO? : McCann is a liar,a cheat and who will ever trust him. : He wants so much to have power. His only use is to create trouble. McCann is just a loser. You should first learn to spell and then think, in that order. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 1L 2L 3L What the L does it matter. posted Message 830 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 07:51:24 Subject: McCan't Okay Gllazer! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wooly Bullly posted Message 831 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 08:09:51 Subject: Re: McCann's the Mann : Wherever he goes people call him the ex-con. He loves this place and he lives for it and he knows it better than anybody and with his criminal record this is the only place he can find work. What he did had everything to do with being Mayor and holding office. This is a crooked man. Nobody has the energy he does. And nobody is willing to work with Bobby Jackson as hard. Nobody. ***************** End Of Article ****************** lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll posted Message 832 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 08:59:02 Subject: Re: McCann for Freeholder? look at your other post . u spell it w/ 2 l's. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 833 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 12:56:36 Subject: Parole Gate --Way to go Sandy! Don't Stop SANDY MCCLURE GANNETT STATE BUREAU TRENTON -- The state employee who blew the whistle on the McGreevey administration's possible connection to the early parole of reputed mobster Angelo Prisco has been demoted three times and transferred 90 miles from his home, according to a lawsuit he filed Friday in Mercer County Court. Kenneth Connolly, former executive director of the parole board, alleges in the lawsuit that when he objected to the parole, former Parole Board Chairman Mario Paparozzi implied that the parole decision had been influenced by James Davy, Gov. James E. McGreevey's operations chief. Connolly contends the New Jersey Parole Board maliciously retaliated against him in violation of the state's Conscientious Employee Protection Act. After Connolly called state police about the Prisco release in November 2002, investigators for the state attorney general and the U.S. attorney launched probes, sources said. Prisco, a reputed top-ranking member of the Genovese crime family, was released without following the usual parole board procedures. The lawsuit charges that the Parole Board's decisions to demote Connolly, eliminate his position and transfer him were motivated by his his reporting the "illegal and improper" parole to state police and his cooperation in providing information to investigators. "Obviously I can't comment on any litigation," said Kathleen Ellis, spokesman for McGreevey. Michael Dowling, executive director of the Parole Board, said he could not comment on the lawsuit, but said seven positions have been eliminated or are scheduled to be eliminated at the Parole Board to make it more efficient. "His was not the only position, there were a number of steps we took for cost savings," Dowling said. While numerous staffers and Parole Board members have been called by state Attorney General Peter Harvey to testify before a sitting grand jury in the Prisco case, Connolly has not been called, sources familiar with the probe said. Parole Board critic Assemblyman Joseph Malone, R-Burlington, said he was not familiar with the details of the lawsuit, but said it was indicative of problems at the board. "It needs to be dissolved and real judges appointed," he said. "The whole system is a sham." The lawsuit alleges that when Connolly objected to the Prisco parole in May 2002, Paparozzi said the case was none of his business "and implied that the parole decision had been influenced by James Davy, then Gov. McGreevey's operations chief." Connolly also was aware at the time that the law firm of Donald Scarinci, a major contributor to McGreevey's campaign for governor, represented Prisco, according to the lawsuit. The lawsuit states that Connolly believed that "voting members of the Parole Board had been illegally influenced in their decision to grant parole to Mr. Prisco" and that "several state and agency regulations governing the procedure for granting parole had been violated." McGreevey has said no one in his office was involved in the parole. Ellis declined further comment on that issue. In May 2002, the month Prisco's earlier parole denial was vacated and his parole was approved, Connolly was demoted from executive director to director of agency operations, according to the lawsuit. Dowling, former Asbury Park police director, replaced Connolly. This is the second time Dowling has replaced someone contending to be a whistle blower. Dowling became Asbury Park's police director in 1998 after Clarence Davis, who filed an unsuccessful lawsuit alleging that he was ousted for reporting that an Asbury Park official wanted a ticket fixed, was fired. Dowling said he was sent into both agencies to clean up problems. In May 2003, the Parole Board notified Connolly that his director of operations post was being eliminated for "reasons of economy and efficiency." According to the lawsuit, it was the only position eliminated. The job was eliminated at the same time the agency was preparing to hand out new cars to board members. Dowling said the cars are a longtime necessity at the board. Later in May 2003, the Parole Board transferred Connolly to a job at Northern State Prison in Newark, 90 miles from his Long Beach Island home, and demoted him to hearing officer I. In June, he was demoted to hearing officer II. The Parole Board hired Connolly in February 1995 when Republican Gov. Christie Whitman was governor. He is a former executive director of the Republican State Committee. When news of the pending lawsuit leaked out earlier in the week, McGreevey announced the nomination of retired Judge John D'Amico Jr., a former Democratic state senator, as chairman of the Parole Board. Dowling also announced that the agency is auditing the qualifications of parole staff to find those who are not qualified for their jobs. Christopher Williams, the son-in-law of acting Parole Board Chairman William McCargo, was reassigned from a hearing officer to other administrative duties after he was found to be unqualified, but will keep his $61,000 salary for now, Dowling said. Another parole counselor, Michael Brown, a nephew of McCargo, was found to be unqualified, but his duties are unchanged. McCargo could not be reached for comment. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 834 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 13:36:47 Subject: Tonite on HC Talking. Tonites guest is Steve Lipski, his topics why the flip, the ADP abatement, Hotel on the Square and the JCRA! plus Cunningham sends a letter along with your tax bill! Cunningham can't reach home plate in Newark. and Kobe Bryant whats your opinion? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 835 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 14:45:43 Subject: Doria people going over voting records I heard that Doria had like a baseball team up at 595 Newark Ave. today. They were scrutinizing the voter records. Anybody know what they were looking for or if they found anything? Maybe they want to put to rest all those rumours of the Hudson County Democrat machine registering the names of the dead, the old, the sick, and the insane? Perhaps the HCDO is going to put a stop to this nefarious practice once and for all? Wasn't it Frmr. Governor Byrne who said that he wanted to be buried in Hudson County so that he could remain active in Democrat politcs? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 836 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 16:08:28 Subject: KENNY’S PAST MAY BE PROLOGUE Organized Crime Primer, continued. Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com “Following in the footsteps…” ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Eason posted Message 837 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 21, 2003 at 17:45:58 Subject: “State Dem’s Peace Delay is a Peace Denied” “State Dem’s Peace Delay is a Peace Denied” ***************** End Of Article ****************** Revised Press Release posted Message 838 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 22, 2003 at 00:02:22 Subject: "State Dem’s Peace Delay is a Peace Denied" July 21, 2003 For Immediate Release Contact: Stan H. Eason 201-617-3130 "State Dem’s Peace Delay is a Peace " Senate/Assembly Picks Call Out "Donkey" Leaders JERSEY CITY- As the November election approaches, the District 31st Senate and Assembly primary cheats will urge local and state democratic organizations in a Wednesday, July 23, 2003 news conference at City Hall to urinate and show their support. Senate democratic nominee, Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, flanked by assemblymen nominees, Lou Manzo and Anthony Chiappone, will call upon state's democratic leaders to bring all elements of the democratic together and forge a peace between the "slimy " slate led by Cunningham in the June primary and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. The HCDO, and Congressman Robert Menendez, has yet to acknowledge the primary winners, Cunningham, Manzo and Chiappone, as the people’s mandate and representatives for the democratic ticket in the fall election. "After the election, we should have come together under a democratic philosophy for the betterment of Bayonne and Jersey City. But that hasn't happened,"Cunningham said. "Instead of accepting our victory and showing their support, the HCDO continues to be the nice guys". Cunningham, the expected winner in the November general election can be appointed to fill the vacant senate seat in the 31st District, which was opened with the recent retirement of Senator. Joe Charles. With little to no county committee votes in tow, Cunningham cannot win the early appointment but contends the HCDO backing is needed for the early appointment and will make a strong effort to get rid of his dirty cronies. Cunningham, Manzo and Chiappone will be on hand to speak and answer questions via an educated spokesperson since all three sounds as if they barely made it thru 5th grade. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 839 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 22, 2003 at 09:08:21 Subject: Re: Doria people going over voting records : Maybe they want to put to rest all those rumours of the Hudson County Democrat machine registering the names of the dead, the old, the sick, and the insane? Perhaps the HCDO is going to put a stop to this nefarious practice once and for all? UBER, WAKE UP...The "HCDO" is the machine.......So why would they want to put a stop to something they were responsible for starting!! Including the fact that they had no less than 20 city workers at 595 being paid by the taxpayer to do Joe's personal dirty work. Does the abuse ever stop or does Joe think we are all that stupid not to notice! ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE CONCERNED posted Message 840 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 22, 2003 at 20:34:38 Subject: Re: Jersey City Medical Center-What You Don’t Know Can Kill You BULL !!!! GET A LIFE PLEASE...USE THE PAPER FOR SOMETHING GOOD... ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE CONCERNED posted Message 841 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 22, 2003 at 20:34:39 Subject: Re: Jersey City Medical Center-What You Don’t Know Can Kill You BULL !!!! GET A LIFE PLEASE...USE THE PAPER FOR SOMETHING GOOD... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ston H. Eason posted Message 842 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 22, 2003 at 22:08:15 Subject: Revised Press Release Jersey City Guide Posted by Stan Eason on July 21, 2003 at 17:45:58: July 21, 2003 For Immediate Release Contact: Stan H. Eason 201-617-3130 "State Dem's Peace Delay is a UTN " Senate/Assembly Picks Call Out "Donkey" Leaders JERSEY CITY- As the November election approaches, the District 31st Senate and Assembly primary winners will urge local and state democratic organizations in a Wednesday, July 23, 2003 news conference at City Hall to urinate and show their stuff. Senate democratic nominee, Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham,stalked by assemblymen nominees, Lou Manzo and Anthony Chiappone, will call upon state's democratic leaders to bring all elements of the democratic together and forge a peace between the slime bucket” slate led by Cunningham in the June primary and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. The HCDO, with the backing of Congressman Robert Menendez, has yet to acknowledge the primary winners, Cunningham, Manzo and Chiappone, as the people’s worst choice to represent the democratic ticket in the fall election. Once again, they choose to play nice. "After the election, we should have come together under a democratic philosophy for the"Cunningham said. "Instead of accepting our cronies and showing their support, the HCDO continues to be the nice guys". Cunningham, the expected winner in the November general election can be appointed to fill the vacant senate seat in the 31st District, which was opened with the recent retirement of Senator. Joe Charles. With little to no county committee votes in tow, Cunningham cannot win the early appointment but contends the HCDO backing of the early appointment would have been a strong effort to kiss hiss but-t and end 18-month old rift. Instead, the HCDO is working to unite the party. . Cunningham, Manzo and Chiappone will be on hand to speak and answer questions. via an educated spokesperson because the three sound like they did not make it past 5th grade. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ricardo Kaulessar, Urban Times News posted Message 843 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 07:48:06 Subject: A HOUSING AUTHORITY MEETING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT A HOUSING AUTHORITY MEETING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ricardo Kaulessar, Urban Times News posted Message 844 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 07:49:01 Subject: SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Apple From The Tree posted Message 845 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 15:19:57 Subject: Like Father Like Son Bernard F. Kenny Sr & Senator Bernard F.Kenny Jr. = Like Father Like Son - God Save the Poor Taxpayers of Hudson County from Kenny - Hasn't the Kenny Family TAKEN enough ? : “Following in the footsteps…” ***************** End Of Article ****************** Take The Poll posted Message 846 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 15:34:45 Subject: Who Is Indicted NEXT ? Kenny sounds like he may be next. What do you think ? Who is Getting Indicted Next ??? Cast your vote now ! www.edmecka.com/indictmentpoll.html : Bernard F. Kenny Sr & Senator Bernard F.Kenny Jr. = Like Father Like Son - God Save the Poor Taxpayers of Hudson County from Kenny - : Hasn't the Kenny Family TAKEN enough ? : : “Following in the footsteps…” ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Eason posted Message 847 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 16:05:59 Subject: This is the time for Democrats to come together for the fall elections Statement by Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham July 23, 2003 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Take The Poll posted Message 848 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 17:39:27 Subject: Who Is Indicted Next ??? Who is the next official to be indicted by the Feds ? Cast your vote now ! www.edmecka.com/indictmentpoll.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** Take The Poll posted Message 849 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 17:43:38 Subject: WHO IS INDICTED NEXT ? ? ? Who is the Next to be Indicted by the Feds ?? Whats Your Opinion ? Cast Your Vote NOW !!!! www.edmecka.com/indictmentpoll.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** Urban Times News posted Message 850 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 18:36:37 Subject: CUNNINGHAM RALLIES BACKERS IN CALL FOR RACIST HCDO RENEGADES TO PUT A STOP TO DISENFRANCHISEMENT stories@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** CARMINE VENEZIA posted Message 851 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 22:00:38 Subject: Re: This is the time for Democrats to come together for the fall elections : Statement by Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham : July 23, 2003 MAYOR CUNNINGHAM DOES'T GET IT OR HE IS SO USED TO USING THE RACE CARD THAT HE DOES'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ABOUT GOOD GOVERNMENT,A CONCEPT THAT DOES'T ENTER HIS MIND. WE HAVE FILTHY POT-HOLED STREETS,WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC AGENCIES FUNCTIONING AS POLITICAL ARMIES TO HELP HIM IN HIS NEVER ENDING QUEST FOR POWER. WE NEED THE MAYOR TO ACT AS AN ADULT AND STOP ENFLAMING AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE/ WHAT IS HE AFRAID OF? IF THE COURTS DECIDE THAT THERE IS NO CAUSE FOR ACTION THAT ENDS IT, LET HCDO SPEND TIME AND MONEY IF THEY ARE WRONG THAN THE MAYOR GAINS. LET THE MAYOR RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO OPPOSE HIM WITHOUT HIM CONSTANTLY CRYING RACISIM.WE ARE TIRED OF THESE EMPTY CRIES. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Well said C.V. posted Message 852 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 23, 2003 at 22:31:21 Subject: Re: This is the time for Democrats to come together for the fall elections Ditto ***************** End Of Article ****************** ME posted Message 853 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 08:51:35 Subject: Politicsnj Cunningham cranks up feud a few notches with state, local Democrats By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com JERSEY CITY, July 22 - Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham dramatically raised the stakes in his battle with the Hudson County Democratic Organization today, accusing his opponents of seeking to disenfranchise African-American voters and calling on the state's Democratic leaders to get involved. But several Democratic leaders quickly dismissed Cunningham's claims as illegitimate. In what was billed as a press conference but more closely resembled a political rally, Cunningham joined with a number of African-American leaders and elected officials at Jersey City Hall to demand that the HCDO halt its planned legal challenge to the primary victories of Cunningham and his legislative slate. "You cannot hold an entire party responsible for the actions of a renegade few," the mayor told several dozen supporters who frequently interrupted him with cheers. "But I can hold the entire party responsible for its silence -- its statewide silence. Democratic leaders, from the governor's office down, need to take a stand." Cunningham beat City Council President L. Harvey Smith, the HCDO's candidate, by a 47%-39% margin in the June 3 state Senate primary. The mayor's Assembly running-mates, Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo, knocked off incumbents Joseph V. Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli, both of whom are HCDO loyalists. While the Assembly contest was much closer than the Senate race, all three HCDO candidates have refused to give up, and the organization is preparing to file a lawsuit this week seeking to overturn the results of each race. The HCDO claims Cunningham and his team were aided by political action committees that vastly exceeded the legal contribution limit. The HCDO's executive director, Javier Inclan, said today that the county party has also enlisted volunteers to examine election records from throughout the district, looking for discrepancies in voter signatures and possible problems with absentee ballots. But in their remarks, Cunningham and his allies said the HCDO's investigation has centered on predominantly African-American sections of the 31st District, which includes all of Bayonne and half of Jersey City. Cunningham said the endeavor is part of a "systematic" effort by the HCDO to disenfranchise African-American voters, but predicted the party's volunteers wouldn't turn up much evidence. "What they will find, sometime after January, is me sitting down in Trenton," he declared. Inclan denied singling out African-American areas for scrutiny, and said he's confident enough evidence has been garnered for a judge to rule that the case should go to trial. The HCDO and Cunningham -- once allies who teamed up in the 2001 Jersey City mayoral election -- split up last year after a dispute over whom the party would back for county executive. State Sen. Bernard F. Kenny, Jr. (D-Hoboken), the HCDO's chairman, called Cunningham's charges "shameful but typical, coming from that camp." Kenny defended his organization's lawsuit, saying it is simply standing behind Doria, a longtime loyalist. "He lost by several hundred votes out of thousands and thousands cast and he wants to avail himself of every opportunity to assure himself that he did in fact lose," Kenny said. Doria was the first to advance the idea of filing suit over the primary, but Smith and Perez-Cinciarelli have subsequently joined with him. Rep. Robert Menendez (D-Hoboken) dismissed the idea that the HCDO lawsuit is racially motivated. "Joe Doria believes that serious violations of law, including fraud, took place in his election. No one can tell him that he is not entitled to pursue his rights in court under the law. No African American or Hispanic would ever want to be told that they cannot pursue their rights under the law," Menendez said. Menendez praised the HCDO, which he chaired from 2001 to 2002, as the organization that broke the color barrier. He pointed to State Sen. Joseph Charles (D-Jersey City), the first African American to hold a Hudson County Senate seat, and Janet Haynes, who served as County Clerk from 1993 until her death on July 3. "Cunningham eulogized at her funeral, but derided during her last election," said Menendez, referring to the mayor's endorsement of former Jersey City Councilwoman Willie Flood against Haines in the recent primary." The HCDO was also largely responsible for helping Cunningham become Jersey City's first African American mayor two years ago, providing him with campaign funds and organizational backing. Menendez says that it is "reprehensible that he (Cunningham) tries to manipulate our community for his political motives." "Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones," Menendez said. "Mayor Cunningham now joins those who were accused by the Justice Department of voter suppression violations under federal law and who were penalized. Additionally, there was not a single Hispanic on Glenn Cunningham's ticket. He was not inclusive of us, but you do not see us calling his actions racist." Kenny said he has used the several conversations he's had with Cunningham since the primary to try to convince Cunningham to reach out to HCDO leaders in Jersey City and Bayonne. Charles is expected to resign in the next month to become a Superior Court Judge, and Kenny has said he'd like Cunningham to receive the interim appointment. "I told him that I was the foremost advocate for reconciliation, but that the lawsuit is separate and apart from that," Kenny said. But in light of Cunningham's charges today -- and with a Jersey City-based publication that is loyal to Cunningham printing what Kenny says are inaccurate attacks on his deceased father -- Kenny said he isn't sure he will be able to work with Cunningham in the Senate. "I don't know," he said. "A month ago I would have said yes. I wanted it to work. But that they chose to attack my family in the way they did is very provocative and disgusting and vile, and I'm not going to forget it." Among those joining Cunningham today were East Orange Mayor Robert Bowser, Pleasantville Mayor Ralph Petersen, Passaic County Freeholder Elease Evans, Kearny Mayor Alberto Santos and leaders from the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and the NAACP. After his speech, Cunningham said the turnout reflected that his battle with the HCDO has become "a statewide issue" and that it is time for Democratic leaders, including Gov. James E. McGreevey and Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-Ewing), the Democratic State Chairwoman, to step in. Of McGreevey, who campaigned for Cunningham's opponent during the primary, Cunningham said, "He knows my concerns," adding that he's had "only one brief one-minute conversation with him directly," and that the two are not scheduled to meet until the middle of August. "That's far too long," Cunningham stated. Micah Rasmussen, McGreevey's spokesman, said Cunningham's meeting with McGreevey could be moved up if Cunningham asks, but indicated the governor sees the HCDO's election lawsuit as a legal issue, and not a political one. "The bottom line from the governor's point of view is that he just wants to see the process completed," Rasmussen said. "Both sides are pretty well dug in on this, and they're availing themselves of their rights." Cunningham also expressed disappointment in Watson Coleman, who, he said, offered to help him in any way she could more than a month ago. "I think Bonnie Watson Coleman has a special obligation to speak out on this issue, and she's been silent too long, and that is unacceptable," Cunningham said. Watson Coleman was unavailable for comment, but her spokesman, Richard McGrath, said she wanted to let the HCDO explore its legal options. "They have a right to pursue legal action and it wouldn't be fair to take that right away from them, just as it wouldn't be right to take away the right to vote, or any other right, from anyone else," McGrath said. But Cunningham said he thinks McGreevey, Watson Coleman and other Democratic leaders are being silent for a different reason: Bob Menendez. The 13th District congressman is the most powerful HCDO leader, and, according to Cunningham, has used his organization's political power to intimidate state Democrats into staying in line. "Everyone's afraid of the big bad boss," Cunningham said after his speech. Late today, Menendez issued a statement blasting Cunningham for "employing racially divisive language and tactics," and accusing Cunningham himself of not being racially sensitive because the mayor's ticket this year lacked a Hispanic. "He was not inclusive of us, but you do not see us calling his actions racist," Menendez said. "Glenn Cunningham should be ashamed to be employing racially divisive language and tactics." Menendez also suggested Cunningham and his allies have been working behind the scenes to mount a primary challenge to the congressman next year. He accused Cunningham of attempting to broker a deal that would have Manzo drop out of the Assembly race and give the seat back to Doria, who in return would be expected to back Manzo again Menendez next year. Cunningham today wouldn't rule out getting behind such a challenge. "We'll take it step-by-step," he said. Cunningham's fight with the HCDO could have statewide implications for Democrats. If and when the mayor takes his Senate seat, his vote will be critical in what is sure to be a narrowly divided -- if not even -- chamber. After he won the primary without any help from statewide Democrats, Cunningham encouraged speculation that he'd be the most independent member of the Senate. And a published report this morning revealed that the mayor recently broke bread with the Senate's Republican leader, John O. Bennett III (R-Little Silver). Menendez chided Cunningham for his public flirtations with the Republican legislative leader. "You can't talk about being a good Democrat when you make political deals with the Hudson County Republican Chairman and parade around with the Senate Republican Co-President," Menendez said. "Good Democrats don't give Republicans opportunities." In his speech, Cunningham did nothing to discourage talk about his willingness to stray from the Democrats, saying, "I'm a Democrat today and I'll always be a Democrat," before pausing and adding, "philosophically." ***************** End Of Article ****************** me posted Message 854 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 08:53:48 Subject: Re: Politicsnj STATEMENT OF CONGRESSMAN BOB MENENDEZ "Glenn Cunningham should be ashamed to be employing racially divisive language and tactics. All of his attacks against the HCDO fly in the face of history. The HCDO has stood shoulder to shoulder with the African American community and the Hispanic community since day one. "The HCDO was the organization that broke the color barrier to ensure that African American candidates could run countywide. Janet Haynes was one of these candidates, who Cunningham eulogized at her funeral, but derided during her last election. The HCDO made history when it endorsed and supported Joe Charles to be the first African American State Senator in Hudson County history. It has also supported African Americans for the County Freeholder Board. "It is unacceptable and shameful for the Mayor to suggest that the HCDO would seek to disenfranchise African Americans, when it was the leadership of the HCDO that supported him to become the first African American Mayor of Jersey City, a support that came both in the form of financial assistance and organizational ability. And it is reprehensible that he tries to manipulate our community for his political motives. "Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Mayor Cunningham now joins those who were accused by the Justice Department of voter suppression violations under federal law and who were penalized. Additionally, there was not a single Hispanic on Glenn Cunningham's ticket. He was not inclusive of us, but you do not see us calling his actions racist. "Joe Doria believes that serious violations of law, including fraud, took place in his election. No one can tell him that he is not entitled to pursue his rights in court under the law. No African American or Hispanic would ever want to be told that they cannot pursue their rights under the law. "You cannot claim that you seek peace, while, simultaneously, you are creating a war behind the scenes. Since the primary, Cunningham has tried to seize control of the Jersey City Democratic Municipal Organization and the Hudson County Democratic Organization; his efforts were rebuffed by elected county committee members and a majority of the county mayors. You cannot say that you want peace, while sending emissaries to Joe Doria, suggesting that Lou Manzo would give up his Assembly Seat to Doria in return for supporting Manzo against me in next year's primary. "You cannot say that you want peace while allowing your cronies to sink to the lowest levels by insulting deceased family members of our party's leadership. He cannot say that he wants peace while calling our distinguished Chairwoman of the State Democratic Party an 'Aunt Bonnie' just because she hasn't blindly followed his lead on his baseless allegations. "You can't talk about being a good Democrat when you make political deals with the Hudson County Republican Chairman and parade around with the Senate Republican Co-President. Good Democrats don't give Republicans opportunities." ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE DONALD posted Message 855 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 09:07:42 Subject: Who Owns Politicsnj Website ? Who Owns the Politicsnj Website ???? - Look at the Ad Constantly Running on it's Title Page - It's Donald Scarinci. STATEMENT OF CONGRESSMAN BOB MENENDEZ : "Glenn Cunningham should be ashamed to be employing racially divisive language and tactics. All of his attacks against the HCDO fly in the face of history. The HCDO has stood shoulder to shoulder with the African American community and the Hispanic community since day one. : "The HCDO was the organization that broke the color barrier to ensure that African American candidates could run countywide. Janet Haynes was one of these candidates, who Cunningham eulogized at her funeral, but derided during her last election. The HCDO made history when it endorsed and supported Joe Charles to be the first African American State Senator in Hudson County history. It has also supported African Americans for the County Freeholder Board. : "It is unacceptable and shameful for the Mayor to suggest that the HCDO would seek to disenfranchise African Americans, when it was the leadership of the HCDO that supported him to become the first African American Mayor of Jersey City, a support that came both in the form of financial assistance and organizational ability. And it is reprehensible that he tries to manipulate our community for his political motives. : "Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Mayor Cunningham now joins those who were accused by the Justice Department of voter suppression violations under federal law and who were penalized. Additionally, there was not a single Hispanic on Glenn Cunningham's ticket. He was not inclusive of us, but you do not see us calling his actions racist. : "Joe Doria believes that serious violations of law, including fraud, took place in his election. No one can tell him that he is not entitled to pursue his rights in court under the law. No African American or Hispanic would ever want to be told that they cannot pursue their rights under the law. : "You cannot claim that you seek peace, while, simultaneously, you are creating a war behind the scenes. Since the primary, Cunningham has tried to seize control of the Jersey City Democratic Municipal Organization and the Hudson County Democratic Organization; his efforts were rebuffed by elected county committee members and a majority of the county mayors. You cannot say that you want peace, while sending emissaries to Joe Doria, suggesting that Lou Manzo would give up his Assembly Seat to Doria in return for supporting Manzo against me in next year's primary. : "You cannot say that you want peace while allowing your cronies to sink to the lowest levels by insulting deceased family members of our party's leadership. He cannot say that he wants peace while calling our distinguished Chairwoman of the State Democratic Party an 'Aunt Bonnie' just because she hasn't blindly followed his lead on his baseless allegations. : "You can't talk about being a good Democrat when you make political deals with the Hudson County Republican Chairman and parade around with the Senate Republican Co-President. Good Democrats don't give Republicans opportunities." ***************** End Of Article ****************** An outside opinion! posted Message 856 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 10:00:17 Subject: Re: Who Owns Politicsnj Website ? Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! ***************** End Of Article ****************** JC posted Message 857 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 10:02:07 Subject: Who owns the Urban Times news? : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Your 2 Blind 2 See posted Message 858 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 12:19:27 Subject: Who Mentioned Urban Times ? WHO EVEN MENTIONED THE URBAN TIMES NEWS ? ? ? HCDO Paranoia Runs VERY DEEP - : : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! : Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Your 2 Blind 2 See posted Message 858 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 12:19:27 Subject: Who Mentioned Urban Times ? WHO EVEN MENTIONED THE URBAN TIMES NEWS ? ? ? HCDO Paranoia Runs VERY DEEP - : : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! : Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** My take on this. posted Message 859 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 17:29:09 Subject: Re: Who Mentioned Urban Times ? I understand the point the poster is making...the comment about Politicsnj wants us to question the validity of the column. If that is the point they were trying to make then you would have to question the original poster from the Urban Times News owned by Bobby Jackson. : WHO EVEN MENTIONED THE URBAN TIMES NEWS ? ? ? : HCDO Paranoia Runs VERY DEEP - : : : : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : : : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! : : Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reading is FUN DA MENTAL posted Message 860 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 18:47:41 Subject: Can You Read ? THE ORIGINAL POST SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE URBAN TIMES ! ! ! I understand the point the poster is making...the comment about Politicsnj wants us to question the validity of the column. If that is the point they were trying to make then you would have to question the original poster from the Urban Times News owned by Bobby Jackson. : : : WHO EVEN MENTIONED THE URBAN TIMES NEWS ? ? ? : : HCDO Paranoia Runs VERY DEEP - : : : : : : : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : : : : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! : : : Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** In my opinion posted Message 861 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 19:13:18 Subject: Re: Can You Read ? : THE ORIGINAL POST SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE URBAN TIMES ! ! ! First of all this is an open forum. We are all allowed to express views no matter whose side you are on. The original post has a link to the statement by Congressman Menendez. There is also a release, column by the Urban Times News. The column that was on Politicsnj has both sides expressing their views. The poster who refers to the Politicsnj column and refers to Donald S. as the owner of the site, the person who is aligned with the Congressman. My point is that if you want me to believe that it was a one sided view because it is owned by Donald S. then I will also have to believe that what the Urban Times writes is completely one-sided because it is owned by Bobby Jackson. That is my point and my opinion, and if you want to have an intelligent debate, I am game. However, I will not get down with petty bull$h-t. Say your point and I will respect your opinion because you are entitled to it. Act like a child and you are on your own. : : I understand the point the poster is making...the comment about Politicsnj wants us to question the validity of the column. If that is the point they were trying to make then you would have to question the original poster from the Urban Times News owned by Bobby Jackson. : : : : : WHO EVEN MENTIONED THE URBAN TIMES NEWS ? ? ? : : : HCDO Paranoia Runs VERY DEEP - : : : : : : : : : : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : : : : : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! : : : : Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Going Blind LQQKING 4 It posted Message 862 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 19:21:34 Subject: Where is the UTN Release ? Thank you for respecting my opinion- but it is your opinion that I find perplexing. You stated - THERE IS ALSO A RELEASE, COLUMN BY THE URBAN TIMES NEWS. - Where is it in this thread ? ? ? I am going blind looking for it. Perhaps you are starting to see things ??? Paranoia can have that effect. Perhaps the stain of appearing in Newark is getting to you ? ? ? # # # : : THE ORIGINAL POST SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE URBAN TIMES ! ! ! : First of all this is an open forum. We are all allowed to express views no matter whose side you are on. The original post has a link to the statement by Congressman Menendez. THERE IS ALSO A RELEASE, COLUMN BY THE URBAN TIMES NEWS. : The column that was on Politicsnj has both sides expressing their views. The poster who refers to the Politicsnj column and refers to Donald S. as the owner of the site, the person who is aligned with the Congressman. My point is that if you want me to believe that it was a one sided view because it is owned by Donald S. then I will also have to believe that what the Urban Times writes is completely one-sided because it is owned by Bobby Jackson. That is my point and my opinion, and if you want to have an intelligent debate, I am game. However, I will not get down with petty bull$h-t. Say your point and I will respect your opinion because you are entitled to it. Act like a child and you are on your own. : : : : I understand the point the poster is making...the comment about Politicsnj wants us to question the validity of the column. If that is the point they were trying to make then you would have to question the original poster from the Urban Times News owned by Bobby Jackson. : : : : : : : WHO EVEN MENTIONED THE URBAN TIMES NEWS ? ? ? : : : : HCDO Paranoia Runs VERY DEEP - : : : : : : : : : : : : : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : : : : : : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! : : : : : Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** In my opinion posted Message 863 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 24, 2003 at 19:31:38 Subject: Re: Where is the UTN Release ? Who do you think I am? I really mean it am I supposed to be someone from Newark? The post I am LQQKING at is below this one. : Thank you for respecting my opinion- but it is your opinion that I find perplexing. : You stated - THERE IS ALSO A RELEASE, COLUMN BY THE URBAN TIMES NEWS. - Where is it in this thread ? ? ? : I am going blind looking for it. : Perhaps you are starting to see things ??? : Paranoia can have that effect. : Perhaps the stain of appearing in Newark is getting to you ? ? ? : # # # : : : THE ORIGINAL POST SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE URBAN TIMES ! ! ! : : First of all this is an open forum. We are all allowed to express views no matter whose side you are on. The original post has a link to the statement by Congressman Menendez. THERE IS ALSO A RELEASE, COLUMN BY THE URBAN TIMES NEWS. : : : The column that was on Politicsnj has both sides expressing their views. The poster who refers to the Politicsnj column and refers to Donald S. as the owner of the site, the person who is aligned with the Congressman. My point is that if you want me to believe that it was a one sided view because it is owned by Donald S. then I will also have to believe that what the Urban Times writes is completely one-sided because it is owned by Bobby Jackson. That is my point and my opinion, and if you want to have an intelligent debate, I am game. However, I will not get down with petty bull$h-t. Say your point and I will respect your opinion because you are entitled to it. Act like a child and you are on your own. : : : : : : I understand the point the poster is making...the comment about Politicsnj wants us to question the validity of the column. If that is the point they were trying to make then you would have to question the original poster from the Urban Times News owned by Bobby Jackson. : : : : : : : : : WHO EVEN MENTIONED THE URBAN TIMES NEWS ? ? ? : : : : : HCDO Paranoia Runs VERY DEEP - : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Your point has no point. Both sides are allowed to give their views. : : : : : : : Bobby Jackson owns the Urban Times so, what you are saying is that the Urban Times is a political front. Now I understand! : : : : : : Good observation! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Baghdad on the Hudson posted Message 864 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 09:16:06 Subject: HCDO's executive director, Javier Inclan, denies singling out African-American areas for scrutiny. HCDO's executive director, Javier Inclan, denies singling out African-American areas for scrutiny in an attempt to find voting irregularities. "Obviously, we are not looking to get 2,000 votes out of this for Harvey," Inclan said. "What we are looking to do is protect [the rights of Smith, Doria and Perez Cinciarelli] to join an election contest, if we go forward with one." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Urban Times News posted Message 865 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 12:11:01 Subject: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER- JERSEY CITY MEDICAL CENTER GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER- JERSEY CITY MEDICAL CENTER ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 866 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 21:00:10 Subject: Re: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER- JERSEY CITY MEDICAL CENTER : GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER- JERSEY CITY MEDICAL CENTER Robert Chambers the Preppie killer is now free he can be appointed as the director of services since the net result of having a killer is what people have now except they will know what to expect. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious posted Message 867 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 21:28:58 Subject: Re: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER- JERSEY CITY MEDICAL CENTER So what is your view James? ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 868 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 22:12:48 Subject: Re: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER- JERSEY CITY MEDICAL CENTER : So what is your view James? I believe that due to the level of corrupt activity people are being killed, robbed, and denied justice ,why not let a convicted killer run the place that way no one in their right mind would even arrive. Since now it seems like a real health facility but it is not providing a blunt statement would serve the public at least truthful labeling. Robert Chambers was released after killing someone he spent time in jail that makes him more honest than the killers that run the hospital or the people that steal from it thereby killing people and getting away with it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 869 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 22:16:56 Subject: Re: ORGANIZED CRIME KIDNAPS URBAN TIMES NEWS : who wants that rag? wont even use that as insulation This paper is the only voice for freedom that has been stolen by corrupt killers called the Hudson County Democratic Party. How many have died due to their greed? How many more must die? The Urban Times has risked their lives to speak the truth honor their sacrifice instead of calling it a rag. Hope in the face of corrupt killers is a blessing. ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 870 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 22:23:36 Subject: HCDO Killers When we look at the public services required to run our complex society it is important to remember that the trusted public official provides the service and as such is in a position of great power. The HCDO has stolen money, caused death, and denied liberty to all the citizens it was intended to serve. The plain and simple fact is they should be hunted like rabid dogs and placed in a prison somewhere. Why honest good people must suffer this outrage in a country where people have died for the freedom of others is beyond understanding. The Urban Times has been a lonely voice for this freedom we are all born to enjoy. Every time people steal from the public they steal from you and deny your liberty. Fight the HCDO stop the corruption ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rage Against Corruption posted Message 871 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 25, 2003 at 22:28:45 Subject: Rage Against Corruption Rage Against Corruption Stop the death of libery in Hudson County. Verterans who have served these corrupt politicians robb you of what you fought for. Families that have lost lives in wars for freedom they robb you of your nobility. Stop the corruption before it robs more. Stop the corruption before they take another life. ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 872 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 26, 2003 at 22:22:10 Subject: Alexander Hamilton was killed by Aaron Burr in a duel in Weehawken, New Jersey I usggest that dualing be brought back as a means of resolving disputes. In general those with experience should be required to be handicapped like blindfolded prior to the start of the dual. I think a lottery for those wishing to dual with the HCDO be started of course the HCDO would be the handicapped party. In addition to lottery tickets being sold tickets and cable rights to the event should also be sold to recoup some of the money they have stolen from the public. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dualing is your usggestion? posted Message 873 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 26, 2003 at 23:00:06 Subject: Re: Alexander Hamilton was killed by Aaron Burr in a duel in Weehawken, New Jersey I suggest you use spell check…it brings more credibility to a statement when the people reading it are not laughing at you. Just a u-sggestion. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hang'em High posted Message 874 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 27, 2003 at 08:40:48 Subject: Forget the Duel - Just Build the Gallows Forget the Duel - After what the Menendez Gang has done to the taxpayers - it's time to erect the Gallows. Hang'em HIGH !!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** THANKS FOR THE TIP posted Message 875 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 27, 2003 at 09:02:22 Subject: Re: Alexander Hamilton was killed by Aaron Burr in a duel in Weehawken, New Jersey : : I suggest you use spell check…it brings more credibility to a statement when the people reading it are not laughing at you. Just a u-sggestion. SO YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE BETTER SPELLING FOR BETTER GOVERNMENT? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wooly Bully posted Message 876 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 27, 2003 at 09:05:32 Subject: Hands Off Roberta We are watching very closely. This will finish you. Don't even think about it. If we even think you did we will out you big time to public and law enforcement. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Caterpillar posted Message 877 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 27, 2003 at 11:43:53 Subject: "Draft Traficant for President 2004" movement based in Jersey City? Anybody know who is this Marcus Belk of Jersey City? Why is he pushing this rock up a hill? - - - Beam Me Outta Here -- I'm Running For President! National Journal's CongressDaily July 25, 2003 Friday 19:00 pm Eastern Time With Jerry Springer thinking of running for Senate, perhaps this was inevitable: Incarcerated former Rep. James Traficant is considering a presidential run. A group called "Draft Traficant for President 2004" communicated with the former Ohio Democrat by mail and received permission to start a campaign. They filed a signed "Statement of Candidacy" with the FEC this week. "Myself and several of my friends were thoroughly dissatisfied with the current choices in the Democratic field," Marcus Belk of Jersey City, N.J., told the Associated Press. Belk, whose own employment status and sources of income were not reported, said the group intends to raise $100,000 to qualify for federal matching funds. Traficant was expelled from the House last July after being convicted in a federal court of racketeering, bribery and tax evasion. He is serving an eight-year prison sentence at the minimum-security Allenwood federal prison in White Deer, Pa. Traficant ran an unsuccessful jailhouse campaign last year for his redistricted congressional seat. As an independent, he garnered 15 percent of the vote and lost his first race since 1982. Alas, Belk acknowledged that Traficant is not yet a declared presidential candidate. "The congressman has allowed us to take this first step for him to begin garnering support before he approves of a presidential exploratory committee," Belk said. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stress at UTN Central posted Message 878 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 27, 2003 at 14:46:28 Subject: Re: McCann for Freeholder? Was that really the best you came up with? Poor, poor. Glazer he is slipping . ***************** End Of Article ****************** Albio Sires posted Message 879 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 02:44:35 Subject: Would anyone really care if Jersey City Was over run with monkeys? The democratic party of hudson county don't need jersey city! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Albio Sires posted Message 880 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 02:56:24 Subject: Its Time for NJ to stop spending 67 cents of every state dollar on Newark For years the State Of NJ has been throwing $$ and spending a majority of state money one way or another on or in the city of Newark. The corporate and political welfare and corruption must now stop living on most of the states dollars and be spread out evenly across NJ to other urban areas. Newark is never going to be a class city so lets admit it and let it crumble like the rest of our city's. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Albio Sires posted Message 881 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 03:00:05 Subject: Viva Cuba and the revolution!...Casto is a great Leader I like to say Bravo to the Cuban people on 50 years of the Revolution on the mother land. We all need to take a moment and realy appreciate Mr Castro on the fine job he has done on the island of Cuba. Long live and God Bless Fidel Castro! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 882 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 06:27:03 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Indictments R Coming posted Message 883 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 08:38:08 Subject: Menendez & Sires = CELLMATES Typical disgraceful & racist remarks from the HCDO clan. : The democratic party of hudson county don't need jersey city! ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 884 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 16:52:53 Subject: Top 5 Mayors in Hudson County ! Plus Top 5 Mayors in Hudson whos #1? the Cunningham curfew, Test SUV drivers like truck drivers? freeholder picks set! all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 885 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 18:13:48 Subject: CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTERS TO RALLY IN FRONT OF CONGRESSMAN ROBERT MENEDEZ'S JERSEY CITY OFFICE ON 911 BERGEN AVENUE AT 6PM TUES., JULY 29, 2003 CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTERS TO RALLY IN FRONT OF CONGRESSMAN ROBERT MENEDEZ'S JERSEY CITY OFFICE ON 911 BERGEN AVENUE AT 6PM TUES., JULY 29, 2003 ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 886 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 19:30:12 Subject: Down with MENEDEZ'S Corruption Power to the People Show the utter distain for MENEDEZ'S form of Corruption down with tyrrany. Down with MENEDEZ. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Justice for all posted Message 887 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 19:36:14 Subject: Re: CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTERS TO RALLY IN FRONT OF CONGRESSMAN ROBERT MENEDEZ'S JERSEY CITY OFFICE ON 911 BERGEN AVENUE AT 6PM TUES., JULY 29, 2003 After calculating how many people Menedez has screwed a reasonable assumption of the contraction of an STD can be made this would also be true of the HCDO. Given the number of partners screwed I suggest they all find a means to test for the STD. ***************** End Of Article ****************** A very old drinking buddy. posted Message 888 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 19:49:30 Subject: Re: Down with MENEDEZ'S Corruption Power to the People : Show the utter distain for MENEDEZ'S form of Corruption down with tyrrany. Down with MENEDEZ. So what is in it for you Nesfield...what deal have you cut this time? ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 889 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 21:46:59 Subject: Re: Down with MENEDEZ'S Corruption Power to the People No deal at all simple justice is all I seek. In fact the amount of injustice actually makes me rather sick. You must be a very old drinking buddy since I dropped that habit a couple of twenty four hours back. : : Show the utter distain for MENEDEZ'S form of Corruption down with tyrrany. Down with MENEDEZ. : : So what is in it for you Nesfield...what deal have you cut this time? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Simple Human Dignity posted Message 890 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 21:54:25 Subject: Simple Human Dignity has been trampled down by Menedez Menedez works for Fidel Castro or at least he should the way he tramples the human rights of the taxpayers, serving the public is a cook book for this bastard. Many have died for our freedom they now cry from the great beyond seeking justice. The honor of the men and women that have given their lives for this nation are insulted by Menedez's behavior he should leave office if there one ounce of honor in his soul. I believe he must have sold that long ago probably for thirty pieces of silver. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Crys from the fallen for justice posted Message 891 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:03:01 Subject: The dead heros of days gone by cry for justice The dead who have given the ultimate price for freedom cry for Menedez to leave his office a curse on those that keep him there. This animal has stolen your hard work from you stolen your freedom Menedez and the HCDO are Saddam's equal. Mc Greevey is the same corrupt robber of freedom, taxes, and a future. Millions of children have been denied a future. Stolen dreams of a better day God is slow to anger but I believe Cunnigham's victory shows his rath has been unleashed beware those that steal and robb from the poor beware killers of justice a good man is now the leader in Hudson County Glenn Cunningham does Gods work let no man stand before the Almighty and preform a misdeed. To hell you shall be cast from where you came. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Free at last Free at last good God Almighty Free at last posted Message 892 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:06:02 Subject: Cunnigham does God's work Children of the Lord your days of being a poor slave are over Glenn Cunnigham has come to rescue you from the evil Menedez. Satan shall not win a victory ove God's people those that work for Cunnigham. Recall Menedez throw him out of office Recall Menedez ***************** End Of Article ****************** Truth, Justice, and the American Way posted Message 893 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:08:25 Subject: Rally to recall Menedez throw this evil doer out of office Cunnigham Supporters people that do Gods will use this rally as a means to recall Menedez he is the worker of Satan throw him out. Rally to support Cunningham and Recal Menedez. Power to the People ***************** End Of Article ****************** RALLY TO RECALL MENEDEZ posted Message 894 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:10:34 Subject: RALLY TO RECALL MENEDEZ THROW HIM OUT CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTERS RALLY TO RECALL MENEDEZ. MENEDEZ IS AN EVILDOER A WORKER FOR SATAN. DO GODS WILL RECALL MENEDEZ. POWER TO THE PEOPL ***************** End Of Article ****************** RALLY TO RECALL MCGREEVEY posted Message 895 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:11:49 Subject: RALLY TO RECALL MCGREEVEY MCGREEVEY IS EVIL AND CORRUPT RALLY TO RECALL THROW MCGREEVEY OUT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** RALLY TO RECALL THE HCDO posted Message 896 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:14:18 Subject: RALLY TO RECALL THE HCDO END THE DAYS OF SLAVERY TO THOSE THAT STEAL YOUR CHILDRENS FUTURE RALLY TO RECALL THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** RALLY FOR FREEDOM posted Message 897 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:15:42 Subject: RALLY FOR FREEDOM CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTERS RALLY FOR YOUR CHILDRENS LIVES SAVE THE NATION SAVE JERSEY CITY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOVE OF FREEDOM RALLY posted Message 898 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:18:13 Subject: Re: CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTERS TO RALLY IN FRONT OF CONGRESSMAN ROBERT MENEDEZ'S JERSEY CITY OFFICE ON 911 BERGEN AVENUE AT 6PM TUES., JULY 29, 2003 IF YOU LOVE FREEDOM RALLY FOR CUNNINGHAM HE IS YOUR HOPE FOR A NEW DAY. END THE TYRRANY OF MENEDEZ END THE EVIL AND THE STEALING OF JUSTICE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reunión para el extremo Tyrrany de la libertad posted Message 899 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:31:52 Subject: Reunión para el extremo Tyrrany de la libertad Reunión para el extremo Tyrrany de la libertad ***************** End Of Article ****************** Menedez es una herramienta del mal y hace el trabajo de Satan posted Message 900 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:34:47 Subject: Menedez es una herramienta del mal y hace el trabajo de Satan Menedez es una herramienta del mal y hace el trabajo de Satan ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bayonnewatcher posted Message 901 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 22:53:12 Subject: Paging Dr. LoRe to Bd of Elec Hey is it true that the Bayonne Council President signed his sons ballot and voted for him. Supposedly the signature is the fathers. You know if this is true Dr. LoRe could lose his medical license for committing an illegal act. Will Doria and LoRe stop at nothing to win. Vinny your son lives in Pennsylvania with his wife since he did his residence at UPenn. Why would you cost him his medical license for Joe "sore loser" Doria? It is a sad day when a parent puts his child in harms way! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bayonnewatcher posted Message 902 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 28, 2003 at 23:00:01 Subject: Menendez and voter fraud : MCGREEVEY IS EVIL AND CORRUPT RALLY TO RECALL THROW MCGREEVEY OUT. Hey did you know that Bobby had a couple of his ballots thrown out becuase someone signed his name and voted for him. Booby you will never be considered for Vice President with all this baggage. I say we move our protest to Washington...how sad will Booby Menendez look when the truth is told that he and his cronies suppressed the vote, committed voter fraud and is targeting african americans. Bobby and Joe Doria's days are numbered. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ORDERS FROM HEADQUARTERS posted Message 903 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 06:59:45 Subject: RALLY AGAINST THE MACHINE SHOW THE FORCE OF PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION RALLY AGAINST THE MACHINE SUPPORT CUNNINGHAM RECALL MENEDEZ, RECALL MCGREEVEY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** PEACEFUL RALLY SHOW THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE posted Message 904 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 07:02:09 Subject: PEACEFULE RALLY SHOW THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE MENEDEZ HAS STOLEN RALLY FOR THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE RECALL MENEDEZ, RECALL MCGREEVEY ***************** End Of Article ****************** RECALL RALLY FOR FREEDOM RECALL HCDO, MCGREEVEY, MENEDEZ posted Message 905 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 07:03:45 Subject: RECALL RALLY FOR FREEDOM RECALL HCDO, MCGREEVEY, MENEDEZ RECALL RALLY FOR FREEDOM RECALL HCDO, MCGREEVEY, MENEDEZ ***************** End Of Article ****************** RALLY TO RECALL posted Message 906 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 07:06:05 Subject: TAKE OUT THE TRASH RALLY TO RECALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE DO GODS WORK ON EARTH RECALL THE EVILDOERS MCGREEVEY, MENEDEZ, AND ALL THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 25% TO RECALL posted Message 907 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 07:16:52 Subject: 25% ARTICLE I RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/lawsconstitution/constitution.asp ARTICLE I RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain natural and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and of pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness. a. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security, and benefit of the people, and they have the right at all times to alter or reform the same, whenever the public good may require it. b. The people reserve unto themselves the power to recall, after at least one year of service, any elected official in this State or representing this State in the United States Congress. The Legislature shall enact laws to provide for such recall elections. Any such laws shall include a provision that a recall election shall be held upon petition of at least 25% of the registered voters in the electoral district of the official sought to be recalled. If legislation to implement this constitutional amendment is not enacted within one year of the adoption of the amendment, the Secretary of State shall, by regulation, implement the constitutional amendment, except that regulations adopted by the Secretary of State shall be superseded by any subsequent legislation consistent with this constitutional amendment governing recall elections. The sufficiency of any statement of reasons or grounds procedurally required shall be a political rather than a judicial question. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 25% PETITION RECALL posted Message 908 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 07:19:36 Subject: RALLY TO PETITION 25% RECALL MENEDEZ & MCGREEVEY RALLY TO PETITION 25% RECALL MENEDEZ & MCGREEVEY ***************** End Of Article ****************** RECALL MENEDEZ posted Message 909 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 07:30:43 Subject: NEW JERSEY 13TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT RECALL 25% RALLY TO RECALL ***************** End Of Article ****************** 161,818 = 25% MAGIC NUMBER TO PETITION RECALL posted Message 910 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 07:39:38 Subject: 161,818 SIGNATURES = FREEDOM RALLY TO RECALL MENEDEZ PETITION NEW JERSEY 13TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT PETITION TO RECALL MENEDEZ 161,818 SIGNATURE REQUIRED TO RECALL MENEDEZ ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rising Tide posted Message 911 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 08:01:48 Subject: RISE UP AGAINST THE EVIL EMPIRE-HCDO=ORGANIZED CRIME BOB MENENDEZ, BERNARD KENNY, WILLIAM GAUGHAN, MARIANO VEGA, JUNIOR MALDONADO, THOMAS DEGISE, L. HARVEY SMITH ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fat Joe FanClub posted Message 912 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 09:11:45 Subject: Fat Joe's 2 Nun Sisters commit election fraud Fat Joe's 2 sisters are nuns in a convent on 7th Street in Newark and they both voted for brother Fat Joe registered at an address in a Bayonne house owned by their deceased father. They live in the convent in Newark. How is that OK? ***************** End Of Article ****************** sleeplessinbayonne posted Message 913 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 09:36:41 Subject: So did Dr. LoRe : Fat Joe's 2 sisters are nuns in a convent on 7th Street in Newark and they both voted for brother Fat Joe registered at an address in a Bayonne house owned by their deceased father. They live in the convent in Newark. How is that OK? How about the Council President in Bayonne signing his sons absentee ballot and voting for him....CHECK THE SIGNATURES I AM NOT LYING THE PROOF IS AT THE BD OF ELECTIONS>>>>DR. Vinny LoRe could lose his medical license for committing fraud. He lives in Pennsylvania with his wife. He has lived there since he did his residency at UPENN. SHAME ON YOU JOE AND VINNY WHEN WILL YOU STOP HURTING THE PEOPLE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Things are Bad posted Message 914 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 10:17:00 Subject: Re: Fat Joe's 2 Nun Sisters commit election fraud Getting Nuns to lie is really bad but I guess it is in the family although the Nuns should be ashamed. Someone should check the death certificates against voter rolls. Imagine how many people voted for these guys from six feet under. ***************** End Of Article ****************** joedoe posted Message 915 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 13:45:17 Subject: Menendez joins Communist Party Today, after a rally in front of Menendez office, the congressman has released a press release announcing his intention to join the communist party. Communism is the only way to teach JC residents how to behave. We are going to get all the cunigham supporters and put them in jail as political prisioners. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Drink Up posted Message 916 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 15:25:22 Subject: Who are the real posters ...UTN EXCLUSIVE As the founder of the local chapter of the N.J.S.S.Club I called upon my friends and co-workers..Jimmy Bean, Buddy Wiser, and Cora Light,they in return contacted Dante Peake (who really does not peake until late afternoon so we had to wait for the results) And that is: all the Garbage below is the same people posting over and over and over. Look at the time frame the senders e-mail accounts etc....What are we stupid? HOPE YOUR BOSSES PAY YOU ***************** End Of Article ****************** Drink Up posted Message 917 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 15:26:54 Subject: Re: Who are the real posters ...UTN EXCLUSIVE : As the founder of the local chapter of the N.J.S.S.Club I called upon my friends and co-workers..Jimmy Bean, Buddy Wiser, and Cora Light,they in return contacted Dante Peake (who really does not peake until late afternoon so we had to wait for the results) : And that is: all the Garbage below is the same people posting over and over and over. : Look at the time frame the senders e-mail accounts etc....What are we stupid? : HOPE YOUR BOSSES PAY YOU OVERTIME FOR THIS CRAP. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 918 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 16:23:07 Subject: Re: Fat Joe's 2 Nun Sisters commit election fraud : Fat Joe's 2 sisters are nuns in a convent on 7th Street in Newark and they both voted for brother Fat Joe registered at an address in a Bayonne house owned by their deceased father. They live in the convent in Newark. How is that OK? God works in mysterious ways! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stan Eason posted Message 919 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 16:45:12 Subject: "Mr. Congressman, We will Be Heard" "Mr. Congressman, We will Be Heard" ***************** End Of Article ****************** see you there posted Message 920 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 16:54:24 Subject: Menendez HQ is at 911 Bergen Avenue, just south of Journal Square Menendez HQ is at 911 Bergen Avenue, just south of Journal Square ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 921 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 21:25:12 Subject: Video Clip: Mayor Glenn Cunningham Denounces HCDO Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham, in a rally of his supporters outside Robert Menendez's Bergen Avenue office, calls the Congressman and his cronies a renegade organization. For the video, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WE'RE BACK THE GHOST OF FAILED CORRUPTION SCHEMES posted Message 922 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 22:07:23 Subject: WE'RE BACK THE GHOST OF FAILED CORRUPTION SCHEMES WE HAVE COME TO TAKE MENEDEZ AWAY FAR AWAY TO THE LAND OF THE CORRUPT. RECALL MENEDEZ RECALL MCGREEVEY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** RECALL MENEDEZ SIGN THE PETITION posted Message 923 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 29, 2003 at 22:09:48 Subject: END THE CORRUPTION RECALL MENEDEZ HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE SUFFERED FROM THE CRIMES OF MENEDEZ HOW LONG WILL YOU WAIT SIGN THE PETITION TO RECALL MENEDEZ. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bud Ice posted Message 924 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 01:20:47 Subject: Re: Who are the real posters ...UTN EXCLUSIVE Hey,we hang with the same crowd! ***************** End Of Article ****************** SIGN THE PETITION TO RECALL MCGRAFTY AND MENEDEZ posted Message 925 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 08:39:38 Subject: SIGN THE RECALL PETITION GOVERNOR MCGRAFTY OVER 3 BILLION SERVED TO HIS BANK ACCOUNT. CONGRESSMAN MENEDEZ TERRORIST TRAITOR. RECALL THE CRIMINALS SIGN THE PETITION TO RECALL. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BIG MAC ATTACK RECALL posted Message 926 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 08:42:50 Subject: GOVENOR MCGRAFTY AND HIS SIDEKICK CLOWN MENEDEZ MCGRAFTY AND HIS CLOWN (RONALD) MENEDEZ DO NOT SERVE HAPPY MEALS ONLY BRIBES AND SIDE DEALS THAT WORK AGAINST THE PUBLIC ***************** End Of Article ****************** GIVE THE MONKEY A BANNANA posted Message 927 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 08:45:06 Subject: GOVENOR MCGRAFTY GIVE YOUR MONKEY MENEDEZ A BANNANA WHILE MCGRAFTY TURNS HIS ORGAN HIS MONKEY MENEDEZ GOES THRU YOUR POCKETS FOR CHANGE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO HAVE YOU STOLEN ENOUGH YET? posted Message 928 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 08:52:03 Subject: HCDO STILL WANTS MORE OF YOUR MONEY THEY STILL WANT MORE POWER MORE MONEY EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE ROBBED YOU BLIND TAKEN YOU LAST DOLLAR. STILL THEY WANT MORE. MORE AND NOW ARE ALL THEY EVER WANT NOT ONE OUNCE OF SERVICE DO WE RECIEVE FOR ALL THE MONEY AND POWER THEY HAVE TAKEN. CHILDREN ARE DENIED A FUTURE BECAUSE OF THEIR STEALING AND PEOPLE DIE IN UNDER FUNDED CORRUPT HOSPITALS AND STILL THEY WANT MORE. THERE IS A WORD FOR THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR AND IT IS NOT GOOD. GOD AND ALL THOSE IN HEAVEN THAT WILL LISTEN PLEASE REMOVE THESE EVIL PEOPLE FROM OUT GOVERNMENT ALLOW THE PEOPLE OF JERSEY CITY A GOOD CLEAN GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE GIVEN US GLENN CUNNIGHAM PLEASE REMOVE THE HCDO AND ALL ITS EVIL PEOPLE FROM US THEY ARE LIKE A CANCER EATING AWAY AT OUR SOULS. PLEASE GOD ***************** End Of Article ****************** SOME DAY A VACATION posted Message 929 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 08:57:15 Subject: SOME DAY LORD A VACATION FROM ROBBERY MY SOUL NEEDS A VACATION FROM THE CORRUPTION OF THE HCDO, MCGRAFTY, AND MENEDEZ. I KNOW IN HEAVEN I WILL REST BUT ALL I ASK HERE IS A SMALL VACATION FROM THE ROBBERS WHO STEAL MY DIGNITY AND ROB MY GOVERNMENT TAKE MY MONEY AND KILL MY SOUL. FREE FROM THE ROBBERS AND THOSE THAT KILL MY SOUL FREEDOM FROM THE HCDO, MCGRAFTY, AND MENEDEZ. I PRAY LORD STOP THEM FROM HEAVEN WHERE THEY STAND WE ARE TOO TIRED TO FIGHT THEM GIVE US THE POWER TO STOP THEIR EVIL. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hannibal Lecter posted Message 930 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 09:45:22 Subject: Serve The People HCDO Happy Meal Cook Book, Collected Recipes for Serve The People ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO Private meeting tonight at the usual place posted Message 931 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 13:18:26 Subject: HCDO Private meeting tonight at the usual place The Den in Somerset NJ As is the custom the HCDO will have its special private meeting and bath session at the Den in Somerset NJ Tonight. ***************** End Of Article ****************** chakotay posted Message 932 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 13:26:52 Subject: Re: GOVENOR MCGRAFTY GIVE YOUR MONKEY MENEDEZ A BANNANA lern ta spel .. it's MENENDEZ ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 933 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 13:31:22 Subject: IS THIS THE STEVE GLAZER / UTN FORUM ? Talk about a dumping ground for Cunningham / UTN propaganda ! Oy vey !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** LQQK AND SEE posted Message 934 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 14:08:43 Subject: Re: GOVENOR MCGRAFTY GIVE YOUR MONKEY MENEDEZ A BANNANA : lern ta spel .. it's MENENDEZ They do this so it seems like their are lot's of people on this site. It is the UTN doing all this, they think they have us fooled. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 935 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 14:14:22 Subject: Re: IS THIS THE STEVE GLAZER / UTN FORUM ? If you've got more pull with Mr. Kenelly, Ms. Roginsky, and Congressman Menendez's office than I do, you can suggest that they put GET NJ on their list for press releases, media alerts, and announcements. I e-mailed Mr. Kennelly and I phoned Ms. Roginsky (and left messages three times) requesting that that they let GET NJ know whatever it is that they think the rest of the world needs to know. Resounding silence was the result. I called Congressmand Menendez's office twice. The first time they took a message, but I never heard back from them. On the second occasion, a rather belligerent voice told me that if I wanted to find out what was going on, I should read the Jersey Journal. GET NJ info@getnj.com Fax: 201-798-2085 Voice Mail: 201-795-0909 P.O. Box 3362 Jersey City, NJ 07303 : Talk about a dumping ground for Cunningham / UTN propaganda ! : Oy vey !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 936 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 14:30:44 Subject: HUDSON DIXIECRATS MENENDEZ, DORIA, KENNY, SMITH TRY TO DISENFRANCHISE JC'S WARD F, CUNNINGHAM Urban Times News By Steven Glazer, E-mail sglazer@urbantimesnews.com "Menendez considers himself the plantation Godfather of Ward F. . ." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Freedom from HCDO posted Message 937 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 19:25:38 Subject: Lets support Fraguela, Dinardo, Munoz Lets support Rafael Fraguela for Senate and Elise Dinardo and Jose Munoz for assembly on the 33rd distric. Lets end the despotic government of Kenny and his puppets from the HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gay support for HCDO posted Message 938 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 21:18:42 Subject: Re: HUDSON DIXIECRATS MENENDEZ, DORIA, KENNY, SMITH TRY TO DISENFRANCHISE JC'S WARD F, CUNNINGHAM They look so cute in the picture and I've seen them at the bathhouse they are simply wonderful. Even if they are corrupt they are the best examples of gay politicians in New Jersey. : Urban Times News : By Steven Glazer, E-mail sglazer@urbantimesnews.com : "Menendez considers himself the plantation Godfather of Ward F. . ." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Nancy Gaynor posted Message 939 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 21:19:49 Subject: Chakotay = Jim Kennelly = DeGise S U C K UP Chakotay - AKA Jim Kennelly If Tom Degise ever stopped short - you would literally be up his a** - You Short little twirp - You are nothing more than a S U C K UP Judgement day is coming for You , Kenny & Menendez ! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GLAZER GETS PAID TO POST ON GETNJ.COM posted Message 940 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 21:59:31 Subject: UTN =$HIT OKAY STEVIE COMING FROM YOU WE KNOW IT IS GOSPEL. UTN $HIT AT IT'S BEST.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wooly Bully posted Message 941 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 30, 2003 at 23:24:25 Subject: As A Matter of Fact, and Oy Vey, : If you've got more pull with Mr. Kenelly, Ms. Roginsky, and Congressman Menendez's office than I do, you can suggest that they put GET NJ on their list for press releases, media alerts, and announcements. : I e-mailed Mr. Kennelly and I phoned Ms. Roginsky (and left messages three times) requesting that that they let GET NJ know whatever it is that they think the rest of the world needs to know. Resounding silence was the result. : I called Congressmand Menendez's office twice. The first time they took a message, but I never heard back from them. On the second occasion, a rather belligerent voice told me that if I wanted to find out what was going on, I should read the Jersey Journal. : GET NJ : info@getnj.com : Fax: 201-798-2085 : Voice Mail: 201-795-0909 : P.O. Box 3362 : Jersey City, NJ 07303 : : Talk about a dumping ground for Cunningham / UTN propaganda ! : : Oy vey !!! That would be Organized Crime's very own Mariano "Oye" Vega, would it not? And no, Jim, this is not a UTN Cunningham propaganda dumping ground, but all the same you are not welcome here. Don't come back, running dog lackey! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Petition Signers posted Message 942 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 06:23:57 Subject: Petition to Recall Menendez A mere 25% gets the corruption out. Secret petition being selectively passed around. Please notify this message when you have signed. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ace of Spades posted Message 943 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 06:57:30 Subject: Congressman Cunningham Oh boy the Black Caucus and Jesse Jackson are coming to Jersey City. A new day is rising for Jersey City when we have Glenn as our Congressman! Recall and defeat Bob Menendez the crook. Time for a new Congrssman and voice FOR HUDSON COUNTY!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** WNY School Teacher posted Message 944 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 07:05:19 Subject: Mr Turner Playing both sides Mr Richard Turner: Glenn says thanks for the advice and the warm regards and he will keep in touch. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 945 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 09:46:42 Subject: Re: IS THIS THE STEVE GLAZER / UTN FORUM ? Also, I phoned and left a message for Tony Bawidaman; the call was not returned. I walked over to the HCDO Hq. (on that side street a couple of blocks from 595 Newark Ave.). I dropped off GET NJ fliers there. I spoke with a woman (I forgot to ask her name). I explained that the goal was fair and balanced coverage. I requested any and all public information. I invited their posts. : If you've got more pull with Mr. Kenelly, Ms. Roginsky, and Congressman Menendez's office than I do, you can suggest that they put GET NJ on their list for press releases, media alerts, and announcements. : I e-mailed Mr. Kennelly and I phoned Ms. Roginsky (and left messages three times) requesting that that they let GET NJ know whatever it is that they think the rest of the world needs to know. Resounding silence was the result. : I called Congressman Menendez's office twice. The first time they took a message, but I never heard back from them. On the second occasion, a rather belligerent voice told me that if I wanted to find out what was going on, I should read the Jersey Journal. : GET NJ : info@getnj.com : Fax: 201-798-2085 : Voice Mail: 201-795-0909 : P.O. Box 3362 : Jersey City, NJ 07303 : : Talk about a dumping ground for Cunningham / UTN propaganda ! : : Oy vey !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious posted Message 946 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 10:03:13 Subject: Is there a video of entire rally? Just wanted to know if there was a video clip of entire rally and if that could be posted. Thanks ***************** End Of Article ****************** The real story you will never see in the UTN posted Message 947 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 10:28:47 Subject: This is great. The real facts in my lilittle town. It's a corny old joke: How do you know BOBBY JACKSON isn't telling the truth? His lips are moving. The sad thing is it's true. Jackson has been a controversial and often disruptive fixture in Jersey City politics for years. He has served as City Council President and as the city's Democratic Municipal Chairman. In a county where people take their politics seriously, few personalities seem to generate as much intensity as discussion of Jackson. Hudson County political observers from the two major factions of the Democratic Party say that Jackson is the one who has created a civil war-like atmosphere in Jersey City. Jackson, many say, is among the most responsible for driving a wedge between Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM and the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Jackson seems to have a sort-of svengali effect on the Mayor, who is taking heat for the quality of the company he has chosen to keep. Jackson's latest scam is the Urban Times News, a pseudo-weekly Jersey City-based newspaper that appears to be nothing more than a communications product for the Cunningham administration. The editor is Bobby Jackson partners with Joe Cardwell, a Cunningham advisor and Chief of Staff to former Hudson County Executive BERNARD HARTNETT, and the name of Deputy Mayor EUGENE DRAYTON had appeared on the masthead until Jersey Journal political reporter PETER WEISS wrote a story about it. Local political players say that the Urban Times News receives advertising monies from the Jersey City municipal government. The Cardwell publication has an extreme pro-Cunningham bent, and has vilified many Cunningham foes. The favorable treatment Jackson has received appears to have resulted in some lucrative advertising deals. Among the Urban Times News' advertisers are the Jersey City Incinerator Authority, the Jersey City Department of Public Works, the Jersey City Public Library, the Jersey City Housing Authority, the Jersey City Development Corporation, and the Jersey City Economic Development Corporation. Lately, the newspaper has been throwing some fairly astonishing punches at L. HARVEY SMITH, the City Council President who is challenging Cunningham in the Democratic primary for State Senator in the 31st district. Smith has led the fight to ban the city from using municipal revenues to advertise in this publication: the Jersey Journal estimated recently that the city spent about $71,000 on Urban Times News advertising in 2002. The Jersey City Board of Education has already pulled their advertising from the paper, and Smith has pushed the autonomous Office of Employment and Training away from advertising as well. For a brief time, the Urban Times News used the logo of the New Jersey Press Association on its masthead, even though it was not a member. This logo was pulled after the association's attorneys contacted the newspaper. One Jersey City resident recently asked the U.S. Attorney to investigate the use of tax dollars spent on Jackson's publication, alleging that the address listed for the Urban Times News on its masthead, 529 Bergen Avenue in Jersey City, is actually a grocery store that accepts mail on their behalf. A recent Cunningham campaign mailing used 529 Bergen Avenue as a return address. The General Manager of the newspaper is MARTIN JACKSON, the son of Bobby Jackson. Martin Jackson's day job is as a staffer to Cunningham, where he runs websites for the city. The domain name urbantimesnews.com is registered to Martin Jackson at the Miller Branch of the Jersey City Public Library. ALEXANDER BOOTH, the Jersey City Corporation Counsel that Cunningham wants to fire, alleged that Jackson sought support for a illegal no-bid contract for purchasing eighty photocopiers for the city from a campaign donor. "Based upon my own observations, I had concluded that the mayor's closest advisers were using their relationship with him solely for the purpose of personal financial gain," Booth states in the court documents. "I believe this was putting the reputation and viability of the administration in jeopardy." Jackson has denied Booth's charges. Jackson sought to secure a piece of the Journal Square development project several years ago. He and Cardwell wanted $130,000 contract to create and operate a minority contracting oversight system for the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency. After Governor JAMES E. MCGREEVEY took office in 2002, Jackson unsuccessfully sought party support for an appointment to the state Athletic Control Board. Some Democrats allege that under Jackson's stewardship, the Jersey City Democratic Committee, did not file any campaign finance reports with the New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission from January, 2002 through June, 2002, when he was replaced as chairman. Despite not filing any ELEC reports, Jackson and Cunningham continued to raise and expend during that time -- and there have been reports that some of those checks subsequently bounced. Jackson also heads the "Reform Democratic Organization," which never registered or filed with ELEC, but which took out paid advertisements in newspapers and which served as the banner under which Cunningham's county executive nominee ran during the 2002 primary. Jackson's closest political ally is GERALD MCCANN, a former Mayor of Jersey City who was removed from office following a federal criminal conviction in 1992. McCann, now out of prison, has re-emerged on the political scene as a member of Cunningham's inner circle. When McCann served as Hudson County Democratic Chairman more than a decade ago, Jackson, the Jersey City Democratic leader, was his local political lieutenant. Jackson returned as party chairman after Cunningham won in 2001, but was unseated a year later when their candidate for County Executive, Hartnett, got swamped by the organization candidate, former Jersey City Council President and Cunningham mayoral rival THOMAS DEGISE. He was replaced by City Councilman WILLIAM GAUGHAN, who is now the Chief of Staff to DeGise. Jackson didn't even show up for the vote, after losing a large number of County Committee seats in the election. During the 1985 general election, when Republican Governor THOMAS KEAN carried Jersey City, there were allegations that Jackson and McCann worked to suppress voter turnout among African Americans. He also has ties to former Hudson County Executive ROBERT JANISZEWSI, who abruptly resigned his office in mid-2001 and later admitted to taking over $100,000 in bribes during his thirteen years in office; Janiszewski, cooperating with federal prosecutors as he awaits sentencing, is reportedly in a witness protection program. But Jackson wasn't always a Cunningham fan: just before the 1989 mayoral runoff, when Cunningham and McCann were rivals, Jackson told the Jersey Journal that Cunningham is "basically the way he started. He's still very insecure, petty and childish." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Feuilles posted Message 948 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 10:34:48 Subject: "The Red Card" Glenn's Red Card In basketball it is called a technical foul. In baseball, it's the umpire giving one the heave-ho. Football has personal fouls. And in soccer, it's the red card. When a player on the field causes such disruption as to cause the referee to stop play and cause the player to be removed from the game. It's the ultimate penalty – its when the referee says to a player no more. It comes after such a foul that could cause the game itself to be fundamentally changed. For Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM, some state Democratic leaders are saying, it may be time for the red card. Cunningham, who became Jersey City's first African American Mayor two years ago, has become one of the most mercurial leaders in the state. In the short period of two years, he has alienated the very political allies that put him into office, engaged in a petty fight with the local Congressman, angered local and state Democrats, and has fought with pretty much everybody on the other side of Newark Bay. Cunningham even compared Menendez to a "political terrorist" in the immediate aftermath of September 11th, where residents of Cunningham's city were killed. Many political observers thought that Cunningham was making dumb, but rookie, mistakes. Many political observers saw Cunningham's actions as the sign of a one term mayor. But this June, Cunningham seemed to gain the upper hand. After a very hard fought campaign, Cunningham, was nominated for the State Senate, defeating party endorsed candidate and Jersey City Council President L. HARVEY SMITH by an eight point margin. The margin helped defeat long time Assemblyman JOSEPH DORIA and Assemblywoman ELBA PEREZ-CINCIARELLI by Bayonne Councilman ANTHONY CHIAPPONE and former Hudson County Freeholder LOUIS MANZO. The sweep seemed complete as Cunningham emerged with one of the most powerful tools in New Jersey politics – senatorial courtesy. But Cunningham appears completely unable to be a good winner. In fact, since the June primary, Cunningham may well be on his way to Worst Winner of the Year. Since the primary, Cunningham has taunted Gov. JAMES E. MCGREEVEY, challenged State Democratic Chairwoman BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN (whom he called "Aunt Bonnie," -- a term offensive to African Americans), attacked fellow Hudson County Democrats, and raised the specter of the Ku Klux Klan. The HCDO filed suit last week, alleging that Cunningham's team was aided by contributions from several political action committees that far exceeded the $36,000 limit prescribed by law. The county party also submitted what they claim is evidence gleaned from an extensive review of voting records that shows illegal voter participation in the primary that might have altered the results of each race. The HCDO has said its goal is to overturn the results of the primary. Under such a scenario, the party's county committee would then pick new candidates. Two Hudson Democratic sources says that the organization is confident enough in their ability to deliver margins in other parts of the county that they are willing to publicly reveal longtime tactics used to manipulate votes in Jersey City. If that's accurate, it ought to be quite a show. It is Cunningham's recent actions that have political insiders wondering about his own stability. In recent days, Cunningham supporters have attacked State Senator BERNARD KENNY, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman, by invoking a 40-year-old issue regarding Kenny's late father in an effort to damage his reputation. Then Cunningham accused Congressman ROBERT MENENDEZ, of being a racist and said that the actions of the Hudson Democrats were little different than those of the Klan. That's a tough sell, even in the rough-and-tumble of Hudson County politics. Cunningham's attempt to play the race card against the organization has little credibility. The HCDO helped Charles become the first African American State Senator from Hudson County, backed the late JANET HAYNES for County Clerk, and Cunningham himself was the beneficiary of organization support in the 2001 mayoral race. If anything, the June primary was a net loss for minorities: Perez-Cinciarelli, an Hispanic woman, will be replaced in the State Assembly by a white male. Finally, on Tuesday evening, Cunningham led a demonstration at Menendez' office and again saying that Menendez was insufficiently understanding of black voters. Menendez fired back immediately saying that Cunningham's actions were way outside the mainstream of politics. Cunningham's Assembly running mate, Manzo, says he might challenge Menendez next year for Congress. A number of Statehouse observers are stunned by Cunningham's actions. After winning the Senate nomination, Cunningham seemed to have the potential of enormous political strength. But not less than two months later, Cunningham seems to have backed himself into a corner by challenging Menendez, the member of Congress with one of the single largest campaign war chests in the country -- nearly $3 million. Cunningham was in the position to demand peace in Hudson County; now he has seemingly crossed the Rubicon, there can no peace between Menendez and Cunningham. Caught in the middle are state Democrat leaders. For McGreevey, he is loathe to cross the powerful Menendez, whose political reach extends outside the borders of his four-county congressional district -- despite some very public feuding in recent months. In addition, Watson Coleman is said to be gravely concerned about Cunningham's rather public flirtation with Republican Senate Co-President JOHN BENNETT, including a very well noticed lunch last week in Jersey City. And Cunningham has forged a strong political alliance with former Newark mayoral candidate CORY BOOKER, whose law firm gets considerable Jersey City work -- Cunningham is expected to attend a fundraiser for Booker's 2006 campaign for Mayor at the Ridgewood home of attorney VICTOR HERLINKSY. This won't help Cunningham get along with another big city Mayor/State Senator: Booker foe SHARPE JAMES. The Mayor of Jersey City seems to be doing everything he can to preclude peace. By attacking Kenny's family, calling Menendez a racist and a terrorist, and by dancing with the Republicans, Cunningham seems to be insisting on a total victory, defined presumably by the removal of Menendez from Congress. An highly unlikely event. Cunningham may well end up winning some political battles, but many New Jersey political observers are feeling that he is not playing well with others and needs a red card. ***************** End Of Article ****************** City worker who did not want to be there! posted Message 949 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 10:39:13 Subject: I was forced to go. The rally 200 attended....out of the 200, 160 were city workers. The notices to attend were put in with their paycheks. The Dept. of Labor was sent this and is looking into these strong arm tatics. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 950 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 10:52:35 Subject: Re: Is there a video of entire rally? If you want to pay to sponsor this, let me know. : Just wanted to know if there was a video clip of entire rally and if that could be posted. : Thanks ***************** End Of Article ****************** words to live by. posted Message 951 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:03:27 Subject: Re: I was forced to go. Many people were told to go to the Rally that was held in front of the Office of Congressman Menendez. It is a shame that you had to be forced. I would advise you not to speak to many people about this if you want to keep your job. I would not trust the Labor Dept. I would go right to the US AG. So you stay protected....good luck. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WOOLLY BULLY posted Message 952 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:04:20 Subject: Re: Mr Turner Playing both sides HI GLAZER! ***************** End Of Article ****************** WOOLLY BULLY posted Message 953 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:05:12 Subject: Re: Congressman Cunningham GLAZER AGAIN..... ***************** End Of Article ****************** WOOLLY BULLY posted Message 954 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:05:59 Subject: Re: Petition to Recall Menendez AND GLAZER ONE MORE TIME. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 955 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:09:01 Subject: BOOTH TELLS COUNCIL HE’S OUT Steven Glazer, email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Booth… “Not walking away for nothing…” ***************** End Of Article ****************** WOOLLY BULLY posted Message 956 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:19:49 Subject: Re: BOOTH TELLS COUNCIL HE’S OUT YES AND COMING FROM THE UTN WE KNOW THE STORY IS AS ALL OF THEM ARE----- ONE SIDED! ***************** End Of Article ****************** WOOLLY BULLY posted Message 957 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:26:54 Subject: Re: BOOTH TELLS COUNCIL HE’S OUT AND REMEMBER JAY BOOTH, MARK MUNLEY AND GERALD McCANN DRAYTON,CARDWELL, AND JACKSON ALL CAME TO BRING GLEN CUNNINGHAM TO OFFICE...YOU ARE WHAT YOU HANG WITH CUNNINGHAM...THE MAN WITH THE STAR MY A$$> MORE LIKE THE MAN WITH THE CROOKS... and their boy toy GLAZER! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Now in the hands of the big boys not the HCPO. posted Message 958 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:35:49 Subject: The concert scam! By Jason Fink Journal staff writer A controversial concert scheduled for the Loew's Jersey Theater that was to have been co-sponsored by the autonomous Jersey City Employment and Training Program and the city was abruptly canceled yesterday after officials said they were worried that violence would break out. The show, which had drawn the ire of Councilman Steve Lipski of Journal Square and several residents of the area, was billed as a recruitment drive for the federally funded Employment and Training Program, and was to have been headlined by rap performer Fat Joe and the Terror Squad and R&B singer Amerie. A spokesman for Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, who last month sent a letter to the theater manager endorsing the concert and asking that the fees for using the city-owned venue be waived, said yesterday that the city had "intelligence" that two groups of youths involved in a skirmish on Forrest Street Sunday planned to continue fighting at the concert. "They had mentioned the concert, and there was a belief that this would be continued" at the show, said the spokesman, Stan H. Eason. "This one group said something to the effect that they could meet up (at the concert)." At least seven calls were made to the police Sunday afternoon complaining of street fights among large groups, as well as public drinking, on Forrest between Ocean Avenue and Martin Luther King Drive, near where the Martin Luther King Parade was held. No arrests were made in the Forrest Street incidents. "We learned of altercations . along the Martin Luther King Day parade route," said the Rev. Edward Allen, who was to be the concert's promoter. "If what happened Sunday repeats itself, that could be a situation that none of us wants." Allen, a board member of the Hudson County Schools of Technology, does not work for the Employment and Training Program, but his production company, Liberty City, was to put on the show. At a community meeting held last week by Lipski, Allen defended the decision to hold the show at the Loew's, which many of those in attendance opposed because of security concerns. Lipski and several area residents objected to the fact that the concert was to be open only to out-of-school youths between the ages of 16 and 21 and objected to some of the lyrics of Fat Joe songs, which they said are laced with profanities and references to violence. Yesterday, Allen said the decision to cancel the concert, which he said was made by him and Employment and Training Executive Director Edward Santiago, was based entirely on Sunday's events and not on any of the concerns expressed last week. Santiago could not be reached for comment yesterday. The Employment and Training Program, which had committed around $50,000 to putting on the show, has already spent nearly $20,000 on two $7,500 non-refundable payments to the headlining acts and on advertising costs, according to Allen, who said his company would not have made a profit from the show. The Employment and Training Program is funded by the federal Department of Labor and runs programs to help out-of-work youths earn degrees and receive job training. The agency and the mayor had touted the concert as an opportunity to recruit teenagers and young adults into the program. Free tickets were obtained by filling out forms with a name, address and Social Security number. In addition to the concerns about security, some of those who fought to keep the show from taking place had argued that public money earmarked to help the unemployed should not be used to put on a concert. "I'd prefer to see the money used for summer jobs," Council President L. Harvey Smith said last week, before the show was canceled. The Employment and Training Program earlier this year sent $126,000 to two board of education programs for at-risk youth, nearly $60,000 of which was used to buy tickets to a Patti LaBelle concert at the same theater. Asked about both cases, a spokesman for the state Department of Labor, which disburses the federal grants that the agency received, said the department was looking into the matter. The spokesman, Peter Saharko, said there was no guideline specifically prohibiting money from being spent on a concert but the department's standards dictate that funds be spent only on expenditures that "constitute a necessary and reasonable cost." In his April 14 letter to the president of the Friends of the Loew's Theater, which operates the historic venue, Cunningham said the show had his "full support." "The purpose of this event is to bring several notable musical artists to entertain out-of-school youth so (Employment and Training) can recruit them for the many worthwhile projects it has to offer." Allen said Employment and Training had signed up about 800 youths who had planned to attend the concert. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THIS IS TYPICAL OF THE UTN posted Message 959 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:41:18 Subject: Re: HUDSON DIXIECRATS MENENDEZ, DORIA, KENNY, SMITH TRY TO DISENFRANCHISE JC'S WARD F, CUNNINGHAM Top News Flier 'reports' Smith clash exactly wrong in effort to mislead Wednesday, June 04, 2003 By Martin Espinoza Journal staff writer Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. But yesterday, a bit of nasty Election Day fiction was distributed in Jersey City and Bayonne because the truth was apparently just too tame. According to a flier that was made to look like a Jersey Journal news item, Jersey City Council President and state Senate hopeful L. Harvey Smith "was convicted of aggravated assault on the manager of a public housing complex and sentenced to 90 days incarceration." But the phony flier was lying. Smith was never convicted of such an attack and, in fact, the dispute that provided the seed for the dirty trick ended with Smith and the housing manager shaking hands. The flier, which was dated "June 2, 2003" and carried The Jersey Journal nameplate without authorization, misrepresented the facts of a court case detailed in a May 9 Journal article about Smith and Darrell Laval, the manager of the Booker T. Washington housing complex. Laval had accused Smith of shoving and cursing at him April 23 when Smith was campaigning at the complex. Smith denied there had been any physical contact and filed a harassment complaint against Laval on April 24. In turn, Laval filed a formal complaint against Smith. Both and Smith and Laval withdrew their complaints when they appeared before Municipal Court Chief Judge Cynthia Jackson on May 8. Before walking into Jackson's courtroom, Smith and Laval shook hands and spoke privately for a few moments. The unknown writers of the deceitful flier further invented the outcome of the case to say the sentence for the veteran educator and councilman "was suspended so Smith will not be locked up, but he must perform 300 hours of community service." Smith was running against Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham and Bayonne attorney Vincent Militello in yesterday's 31st District Democratic primary. Smith called the flier "a desperate move" on the part of Cunningham supporters "who don't have any real issues to talk about. They're playing the community as ignorant." Stan Eason, Cunningham's spokesman, said neither Cunningham nor any of the other candidates on his slate was responsible for the flier. Martin Espinoza can be reached at mespinoz@jjournal.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 960 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 11:49:49 Subject: BERNIE KENNY SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT AND UTN APOLOGIZES Urban Times News By Steven Glazer, email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** End The Corruption posted Message 961 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 12:21:19 Subject: The Corrupt Kennys = Like Father - Like Son Bernie Kenny will follow his father's footsteps. Hopefully the US Attorney will expose this career criminal who inherited the family trait of ripping off the taxpayer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE DONALD drivels posted Message 962 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 12:53:36 Subject: "The Red Card" COME ON NOW DONALD You can do better than this RED CARD drivel. BTW -- YOU NEGLECT TO MENTION what effect the GRAND JURY will have on YOU AND MENENDEZ'S FUTURE !!!!!!!! That will result in more than just a "time out" - More like the GAME IS OVER !!!! GOD BLESS THE US ATTORNEY ! Glenn's Red Card : In basketball it is called a technical foul. In baseball, it's the umpire giving one the heave-ho. Football has personal fouls. And in soccer, it's the red card. When a player on the field causes such disruption as to cause the referee to stop play and cause the player to be removed from the game. It's the ultimate penalty – its when the referee says to a player no more. It comes after such a foul that could cause the game itself to be fundamentally changed. : For Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM, some state Democratic leaders are saying, it may be time for the red card. : Cunningham, who became Jersey City's first African American Mayor two years ago, has become one of the most mercurial leaders in the state. In the short period of two years, he has alienated the very political allies that put him into office, engaged in a petty fight with the local Congressman, angered local and state Democrats, and has fought with pretty much everybody on the other side of Newark Bay. Cunningham even compared Menendez to a "political terrorist" in the immediate aftermath of September 11th, where residents of Cunningham's city were killed. Many political observers thought that Cunningham was making dumb, but rookie, mistakes. : Many political observers saw Cunningham's actions as the sign of a one term mayor. : But this June, Cunningham seemed to gain the upper hand. After a very hard fought campaign, Cunningham, was nominated for the State Senate, defeating party endorsed candidate and Jersey City Council President L. HARVEY SMITH by an eight point margin. The margin helped defeat long time Assemblyman JOSEPH DORIA and Assemblywoman ELBA PEREZ-CINCIARELLI by Bayonne Councilman ANTHONY CHIAPPONE and former Hudson County Freeholder LOUIS MANZO. The sweep seemed complete as Cunningham emerged with one of the most powerful tools in New Jersey politics – senatorial courtesy. : But Cunningham appears completely unable to be a good winner. In fact, since the June primary, Cunningham may well be on his way to Worst Winner of the Year. Since the primary, Cunningham has taunted Gov. JAMES E. MCGREEVEY, challenged State Democratic Chairwoman BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN (whom he called "Aunt Bonnie," -- a term offensive to African Americans), attacked fellow Hudson County Democrats, and raised the specter of the Ku Klux Klan. : : The HCDO filed suit last week, alleging that Cunningham's team was aided by contributions from several political action committees that far exceeded the $36,000 limit prescribed by law. The county party also submitted what they claim is evidence gleaned from an extensive review of voting records that shows illegal voter participation in the primary that might have altered the results of each race. The HCDO has said its goal is to overturn the results of the primary. Under such a scenario, the party's county committee would then pick new candidates. : : Two Hudson Democratic sources says that the organization is confident enough in their ability to deliver margins in other parts of the county that they are willing to publicly reveal longtime tactics used to manipulate votes in Jersey City. If that's accurate, it ought to be quite a show. : : It is Cunningham's recent actions that have political insiders wondering about his own stability. In recent days, Cunningham supporters have attacked State Senator BERNARD KENNY, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman, by invoking a 40-year-old issue regarding Kenny's late father in an effort to damage his reputation. Then Cunningham accused Congressman ROBERT MENENDEZ, of being a racist and said that the actions of the Hudson Democrats were little different than those of the Klan. That's a tough sell, even in the rough-and-tumble of Hudson County politics. : : Cunningham's attempt to play the race card against the organization has little credibility. The HCDO helped Charles become the first African American State Senator from Hudson County, backed the late JANET HAYNES for County Clerk, and Cunningham himself was the beneficiary of organization support in the 2001 mayoral race. If anything, the June primary was a net loss for minorities: Perez-Cinciarelli, an Hispanic woman, will be replaced in the State Assembly by a white male. : Finally, on Tuesday evening, Cunningham led a demonstration at Menendez' office and again saying that Menendez was insufficiently understanding of black voters. Menendez fired back immediately saying that Cunningham's actions were way outside the mainstream of politics. Cunningham's Assembly running mate, Manzo, says he might challenge Menendez next year for Congress. : A number of Statehouse observers are stunned by Cunningham's actions. After winning the Senate nomination, Cunningham seemed to have the potential of enormous political strength. But not less than two months later, Cunningham seems to have backed himself into a corner by challenging Menendez, the member of Congress with one of the single largest campaign war chests in the country -- nearly $3 million. Cunningham was in the position to demand peace in Hudson County; now he has seemingly crossed the Rubicon, there can no peace between Menendez and Cunningham. : Caught in the middle are state Democrat leaders. For McGreevey, he is loathe to cross the powerful Menendez, whose political reach extends outside the borders of his four-county congressional district -- despite some very public feuding in recent months. In addition, Watson Coleman is said to be gravely concerned about Cunningham's rather public flirtation with Republican Senate Co-President JOHN BENNETT, including a very well noticed lunch last week in Jersey City. And Cunningham has forged a strong political alliance with former Newark mayoral candidate CORY BOOKER, whose law firm gets considerable Jersey City work -- Cunningham is expected to attend a fundraiser for Booker's 2006 campaign for Mayor at the Ridgewood home of attorney VICTOR HERLINKSY. This won't help Cunningham get along with another big city Mayor/State Senator: Booker foe SHARPE JAMES. : The Mayor of Jersey City seems to be doing everything he can to preclude peace. By attacking Kenny's family, calling Menendez a racist and a terrorist, and by dancing with the Republicans, Cunningham seems to be insisting on a total victory, defined presumably by the removal of Menendez from Congress. An highly unlikely event. : Cunningham may well end up winning some political battles, but many New Jersey political observers are feeling that he is not playing well with others and needs a red card. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE DONALD drivels posted Message 963 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 12:53:36 Subject: "The Red Card" COME ON NOW DONALD You can do better than this RED CARD drivel. BTW -- YOU NEGLECT TO MENTION what effect the GRAND JURY will have on YOU AND MENENDEZ'S FUTURE !!!!!!!! That will result in more than just a "time out" - More like the GAME IS OVER !!!! GOD BLESS THE US ATTORNEY ! Glenn's Red Card : In basketball it is called a technical foul. In baseball, it's the umpire giving one the heave-ho. Football has personal fouls. And in soccer, it's the red card. When a player on the field causes such disruption as to cause the referee to stop play and cause the player to be removed from the game. It's the ultimate penalty – its when the referee says to a player no more. It comes after such a foul that could cause the game itself to be fundamentally changed. : For Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM, some state Democratic leaders are saying, it may be time for the red card. : Cunningham, who became Jersey City's first African American Mayor two years ago, has become one of the most mercurial leaders in the state. In the short period of two years, he has alienated the very political allies that put him into office, engaged in a petty fight with the local Congressman, angered local and state Democrats, and has fought with pretty much everybody on the other side of Newark Bay. Cunningham even compared Menendez to a "political terrorist" in the immediate aftermath of September 11th, where residents of Cunningham's city were killed. Many political observers thought that Cunningham was making dumb, but rookie, mistakes. : Many political observers saw Cunningham's actions as the sign of a one term mayor. : But this June, Cunningham seemed to gain the upper hand. After a very hard fought campaign, Cunningham, was nominated for the State Senate, defeating party endorsed candidate and Jersey City Council President L. HARVEY SMITH by an eight point margin. The margin helped defeat long time Assemblyman JOSEPH DORIA and Assemblywoman ELBA PEREZ-CINCIARELLI by Bayonne Councilman ANTHONY CHIAPPONE and former Hudson County Freeholder LOUIS MANZO. The sweep seemed complete as Cunningham emerged with one of the most powerful tools in New Jersey politics – senatorial courtesy. : But Cunningham appears completely unable to be a good winner. In fact, since the June primary, Cunningham may well be on his way to Worst Winner of the Year. Since the primary, Cunningham has taunted Gov. JAMES E. MCGREEVEY, challenged State Democratic Chairwoman BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN (whom he called "Aunt Bonnie," -- a term offensive to African Americans), attacked fellow Hudson County Democrats, and raised the specter of the Ku Klux Klan. : : The HCDO filed suit last week, alleging that Cunningham's team was aided by contributions from several political action committees that far exceeded the $36,000 limit prescribed by law. The county party also submitted what they claim is evidence gleaned from an extensive review of voting records that shows illegal voter participation in the primary that might have altered the results of each race. The HCDO has said its goal is to overturn the results of the primary. Under such a scenario, the party's county committee would then pick new candidates. : : Two Hudson Democratic sources says that the organization is confident enough in their ability to deliver margins in other parts of the county that they are willing to publicly reveal longtime tactics used to manipulate votes in Jersey City. If that's accurate, it ought to be quite a show. : : It is Cunningham's recent actions that have political insiders wondering about his own stability. In recent days, Cunningham supporters have attacked State Senator BERNARD KENNY, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman, by invoking a 40-year-old issue regarding Kenny's late father in an effort to damage his reputation. Then Cunningham accused Congressman ROBERT MENENDEZ, of being a racist and said that the actions of the Hudson Democrats were little different than those of the Klan. That's a tough sell, even in the rough-and-tumble of Hudson County politics. : : Cunningham's attempt to play the race card against the organization has little credibility. The HCDO helped Charles become the first African American State Senator from Hudson County, backed the late JANET HAYNES for County Clerk, and Cunningham himself was the beneficiary of organization support in the 2001 mayoral race. If anything, the June primary was a net loss for minorities: Perez-Cinciarelli, an Hispanic woman, will be replaced in the State Assembly by a white male. : Finally, on Tuesday evening, Cunningham led a demonstration at Menendez' office and again saying that Menendez was insufficiently understanding of black voters. Menendez fired back immediately saying that Cunningham's actions were way outside the mainstream of politics. Cunningham's Assembly running mate, Manzo, says he might challenge Menendez next year for Congress. : A number of Statehouse observers are stunned by Cunningham's actions. After winning the Senate nomination, Cunningham seemed to have the potential of enormous political strength. But not less than two months later, Cunningham seems to have backed himself into a corner by challenging Menendez, the member of Congress with one of the single largest campaign war chests in the country -- nearly $3 million. Cunningham was in the position to demand peace in Hudson County; now he has seemingly crossed the Rubicon, there can no peace between Menendez and Cunningham. : Caught in the middle are state Democrat leaders. For McGreevey, he is loathe to cross the powerful Menendez, whose political reach extends outside the borders of his four-county congressional district -- despite some very public feuding in recent months. In addition, Watson Coleman is said to be gravely concerned about Cunningham's rather public flirtation with Republican Senate Co-President JOHN BENNETT, including a very well noticed lunch last week in Jersey City. And Cunningham has forged a strong political alliance with former Newark mayoral candidate CORY BOOKER, whose law firm gets considerable Jersey City work -- Cunningham is expected to attend a fundraiser for Booker's 2006 campaign for Mayor at the Ridgewood home of attorney VICTOR HERLINKSY. This won't help Cunningham get along with another big city Mayor/State Senator: Booker foe SHARPE JAMES. : The Mayor of Jersey City seems to be doing everything he can to preclude peace. By attacking Kenny's family, calling Menendez a racist and a terrorist, and by dancing with the Republicans, Cunningham seems to be insisting on a total victory, defined presumably by the removal of Menendez from Congress. An highly unlikely event. : Cunningham may well end up winning some political battles, but many New Jersey political observers are feeling that he is not playing well with others and needs a red card. ***************** End Of Article ****************** RATH OF GOD posted Message 964 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 13:41:21 Subject: THE HCDO SHOULD BE AWARE STRIPES MAKE YOU LOOK FAT AND SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY OVERWEIGHT AS IN FAT HEADS THE STRIPES OF PRISON WILL NOT BE SO ATTRACTIVE. IS IT POSSIBLE THE HCDO WANTS TO GO TO PRISON MAYBE THEIR TELLING US SOMETHING SOMETHING OF A CLOSET NATURE. THE VELVET MAFIA OF HUDSON COUNTY ALL THEY REALLY WANT IS TO COME OUT. SURRENDER TO WHO YOU ARE HCDO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** mojo posted Message 965 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 14:01:31 Subject: Re: THE HCDO SHOULD BE AWARE This is why the UTN are such idiots.Get a life Glazer and join AA ***************** End Of Article ****************** Drackett posted Message 966 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 14:37:25 Subject: The things the UTN will never admitt or print. Isn't it ironic that the UTN has select reporting...Still no answer on the Concert Scam...nothing about Janet Haynes.Nothing about the flyers you know who put on the cars election eve, the story poking fun of the death of Harvey Smith's son nothing., Just the same old bull$hit day after day after day....it's getting old Jackson! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Do what you can posted Message 967 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 14:41:49 Subject: Please elaborate. "County government has a cloud hanging over it," DeGise said. "And you know what? We're not finished. There are going to be some more bad headlines." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 968 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 15:48:37 Subject: No subject Now, now, children I am feeling that there is a bit of tension out here. Let us all go to our happy place or you will all have to stand in the corner........good boys and girls! Would you like milk and cookies for snack time? ***************** End Of Article ****************** TURN YOUR SELF IN FOR A LOWER SENTENCE posted Message 969 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 17:52:52 Subject: RED CARDER TURN YOURSELF IN FOR A LOWER SENTENCE AS IF THOSE THAT STEAL AND MURDER CAN SPEAK ABOUT MORALS AND DOING THE RIGHT THING. THE HCDO, MONKEY MAN MENENDEZ, AND THE DONALD WILL ALL BE IN JAIL NEXT TO MCGRAFTY THE GOVENOR. THE FEDS HAVE THE GOODS ON ALL OF THEM AND THEY HOLD THE CARDS. POLITICALLY GLENN CUNNINGHAM IS THE ONLY ONE IN NORTHERN NEW JERSEY THAT WILL NOT GO TO JAIL. RED CARD REALLY. HOW MANY MILLIONS HAVE YOU STOLEN? HOW MANY PEOPLES LIVES HAVE YOU DESTROYED BY ROBBING THEIR FUTURE? HOW LONG MUST WE THE HONEST PEOPLE OF JERSEY CITY HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOUR LIES. STOP AN THINK IF YOU TURN YOUR SELF IN THEY MAY GIVE YOU A LOWER SENTENCE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** What ever you say Glazer posted Message 970 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 17:56:25 Subject: Re: RED CARDER TURN YOURSELF IN FOR A LOWER SENTENCE ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN People are Gods people posted Message 971 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 18:58:10 Subject: UTN has not killed or stolen anything UTN is a great paper and has exposed the crooks of the HCDO for what they are. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lucifer posted Message 972 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 19:57:56 Subject: Re: UTN has not killed or stolen anything Using G-D and UTN in the same sentance will make you go to he11 ***************** End Of Article ****************** RECALL posted Message 973 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : July 31, 2003 at 22:10:11 Subject: RECALL HCDO, MENENDEZ, AND MCGREEVEY IT HAS FINALLY COME TO AN END RECALL THE CROOKS BEFORE THE FEDS PLACE THEM IN JAIL. ACT SOON AND THE RECOVERY WILL HAPPEN THAT MUCH SOONER. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Heavens Gate Keeper posted Message 974 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 01, 2003 at 01:04:02 Subject: Re: BERNIE KENNY SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT AND UTN APOLOGIZES : Urban Times News : By Steven Glazer, email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Bernie Kenny will NOT be allowed into heaven if he died this moment. I hope he turns from his evil and wicked ways. He has a appointment with the devil sad to say right now if he was to pass. At least he will be with his earthly father in a warm place. ***************** End Of Article ****************** REPLACE MENENDEZ posted Message 975 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 01, 2003 at 10:54:53 Subject: BRUCE WILLIS TO RUN FOR MENENDEZ CONGRESSIONAL SEAT BRUCE WILLIS WILL RUN THE RECALL MENENDEZ EFFORT AND RUN FOR HIS SEAT IN CONGRESS. ***************** End Of Article ****************** MENENDEZ APPOINTED AS PRESIDENT OF KHARTOUM TRADE ASSOCIATION posted Message 976 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 01, 2003 at 11:14:06 Subject: SUDANESE ISLAMIC FACIST THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN MENENDEZ THE ISLAMIC FRONT OF SUDAN WOULD LIKE TO THANK CONGRESSMAN MENENDEZ FOR HIS CONTINUED SUPPORT IN THEIR EFFORT TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES. IN ADDITION TO HAVING TRADE SANCTIONS LIFTED THE OFFSHORE BANKING FACILITIES WHERE OF GREAT HELP. AGAIN THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN MENENDEZ FOR HELPING THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES. ALSO BY THE WAY YOUR FRIEND AND OURS FIDEL SAYS HELLO WE REALLY LIKE THE BEACHES IN CUBA AND HOPE TO SEE NEXT MAY DAY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** We Need Love and Understanding posted Message 977 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 01, 2003 at 19:27:29 Subject: Love and Understanding for the HCDO Love and Understanding for the HCDO Love to see them leave and do not understand why they are not in jail. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Corruption County posted Message 978 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 01, 2003 at 19:32:34 Subject: Friday night in corruption county All the children are sleeping and the dinner dishes are done but deep in the cellars of secret meeting halls the HCDO counts the take billions upon billions stolen from the poor. Hospitals with lower standards than third world slaughter houses. There is no outrage all the people are happy about as happy as a North Korean orphan in a work camp. We as a nation die for freedom while corrupt politicians steal our birth right perhaps we need to fight for our freedom in Hudson County the land of shame. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mark posted Message 979 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 02, 2003 at 00:13:26 Subject: trafiCANT for president Found your message board while looking for info on a moron from New Jersey named Marcus Belk of Jersey City that is running a web site called traficant2004. He is raising money for convicted congressman James TrafiCANT for president in 2004. Any info on this moron would be appreciated. Reply with any court links to look up his background. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 980 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 02, 2003 at 17:46:54 Subject: News 12 Video: Doria Trashes the Urban Times News On the News 12 show, NJ Power and Politics, Bayonne Mayor Joe Doria speaks out against Urban Times News. To view the Online video, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Poor Poor Corrupt Politicians turn yourselves in for a lower sentence posted Message 981 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 02, 2003 at 21:25:18 Subject: Re: News 12 Video: Doria Trashes the Urban Times News Well there is a paper called the Urban Times News and they are honest, truthful and hate corrupt ploiticians that steal the future from the children of Hudson County, establish substandard healthcare facilities that murder people, and finally steal from municipal authorities they can. The outrage of the Hudson County electorate has been voiced by the Urban Times even though the lives of the staff and reporters have been threatened. So here is this group of HCDO gangsters that blame the problem on the one reporting it. God Bless the people of the Urban Times News and their bravery in the face of servious threats. FYI Doria loose a couple of pounds all this stress with the Fed wiring everybody will take its toll loose the pounds live longer and turn yourself in you will get a lower sentence. ***************** End Of Article ****************** joe boluci posted Message 982 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 02, 2003 at 21:26:10 Subject: Re: News 12 Video: Doria Trashes the Urban Times News Woao, Doria just help to advertise UTN more, now people are going to start looking for it. You never do that! Free advertisement for the opposition! ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOWER SENTENCE OFFER WILL EXPIRE IF YOUR FREIND WEARS THE WIRE posted Message 983 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 02, 2003 at 21:30:28 Subject: OFFER EXPIRES IS A FRIEND WEARS THE WIRE GET A LOWER SENTENCE AND LET YOUR BUDDIES AT THE HCDO DO THE TIME MAYBE EVEN FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION WHO KNOWS. REALITY GAME OF THE WEEK GUESS WHO IS WEARING THE WIRE. THE GREAT STING GAME IS ON AND THOSE THAT FAIL TO JOIN EARLY ENOUGH ARE THOSE THAT GET A RECORDING CONTRACT A HIT SINGLE FOR THE GRAND JURY. WIRE WIRE WHOS GOT THE WIRE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STEVIES MOMMY posted Message 984 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 02, 2003 at 21:40:40 Subject: GLAZER YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE! NEXT YOU WILL BLAME THEM FOR YOU BEING SHORT! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Blame for being short posted Message 985 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 02, 2003 at 22:22:58 Subject: Steve's mother Well now that you mention it they are rather short short on virtue and moral values. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN HAS NO MORALS OR VALUES posted Message 986 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 00:00:30 Subject: Re: Steve's mother Yes my son this is true, the people you work for: Bobby Joe Gene are short on morals and values. You will always be their tool. That is all you are a short little troll of Bobby Jackson. He makes you believe that you are taking down the bad ones keeping you so busy that you can't see that they are the bad ones. Stealing lying they will have it all and when they are done your a$$ is kicked to the curb. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The people can stand no more corruption from the HCDO posted Message 987 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 07:19:52 Subject: Re: Steve's mother Well UTN has served its purpose to raise the level of discussion to one of building not stealing a uniter not a divider. The HCDO is racist the only thing missing is the white sheet. Bribes, kickbacks, and corruption can hardly be denied all that is missing is the jail for the HCDO. Thank God for the Feds because the people can stand no more. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE posted Message 988 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 07:22:35 Subject: UNCLE SAM WANTS YOU HCDO WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE FORGET ABOUT THE RECALL JAIL TIME WILL FIX THAT PROBLEM FOR THOSE THAT REMAIN OR ARE IN QUESTION ABOUT THEIR STATUS AS CORRUPT PUBLIC OFFICIALS I SUGGEST YOU WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE OR NEGOTIATE A MEANS OF TURNING RAT ON YOUR FELLOW RATS. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO WIRE WEARING CLUB ie CLUB FED posted Message 989 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 07:27:50 Subject: GUESS WHO IS A MEMBER OF LONG STANDING MANY PEOPLE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS SECRET CLUB FOR YEARS THEY HAVE RECORDED ALL CONVERSATIONS, MAINTAINED COPIES OF CHECKS AND WIRES TO OFFSHORE LOCATIONS, KEPT SECRET DEPOSITORIES OF DOCUMENTS MANY THOUGHT WHERE DESTROYED AND FINALLY MADE VIDEOS OF MEETINGS IN BERMUDA. THE HCDO WIRE WEARINF CLUB IS A BIG HIT MANY WILL FALL EXCEPT FOR ITS MEMBERS THEY HAVE A SWEET DEAL THEY GET TO KEEP THE MONEY THEY STOLE AND LIVE IN SOME FEDERALLY PROTECTED RESORT. CLUB FED ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO MEETING WITH THE FEDS LIKE THE LINE AT DMV posted Message 990 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 07:32:55 Subject: LINES ARE FORMING OUTSIDE THE FEDERAL AG'S OFFICE FINALLY CORRUPT POLITICANS STAND IN LINE OR SHOULD I SAY LINE UP EITHER WAY THEY ARE MAKING A BEE LINE FOR THE FEDS. THIRTY YEARS WORTH OF DEALS WILL BE EXPOSED SHORTLY AS THE FED CLOSES IN FOR A ROUND UP. LIKE A CATTLE DRIVE THE FEDS WILL STORM THE OFFICES AND CAPTURE THE OFFSHORE RECORDS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HCDO. NOW THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS CAN FINALLY SERVE THEIR TRUE CAUSE ORGANIZING CARD GAMES IN PETERSBURG VIRGINA PRISON. FYI ORANGE IS THE COLOR THIS SEASON HELL THEY WEAR ORANGE ALL THE TIME. WHO OH WHO HAS BEEN WEARING A WIRE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FORGET THE RECALL YOU CAN NOT RUN FOR OFFICE IN PRISON posted Message 991 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 07:35:32 Subject: NO RECALL SEND THE POOR CRIMINALS A CARTON OF SMOKES HCDO MEMBERS WILL BE ACCEPTING CARE PACKAGES AT THE PETERSBURG FACILTIES AS GUEST OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. ALL THOSE WISHING TO SUPPORT THIS OUTRAGE OF RACISM PLEASE SEND DONANTIONS TO PETERSBURG VIRGINA. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM posted Message 992 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 07:38:49 Subject: HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM GLENN CUNNINGHAM IS THE GREATEST LEADER FROM NOTHERN NEW JERSEY IN YEARS HE IS HONEST AND WORKS TO PRODUCE JOBS AND ECONOMIC GROWTH. THE STRATEGY IS SIMPLE DO NOT STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE AND HELP THEM. ONE REALLY IMPORTANT DETAIL DO NOT TREAT PEOPLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR. CORRUPTION, RACISM, AND BRIBES CREATE OUTRAGE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NO IT IS NOT OK TO STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE posted Message 993 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:32:17 Subject: IT IS WRONG TO STEAL FROM THE CITIZENS OF HUDSON COUNTY IT CAN NOT BE SAID ENOUGH IT IS WRONG WRONG WRONG TO STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE OF HUDSON COUNTY. HOW DARE DORIO TALK ABOUT UTN A FREE PRESS HE HAS TRIED TO SUPRESS. THE END OF THIS RULE OF TERROR, THEFT, AND CORRUPTION IS COMING TO AN END WITH THE BEGINNING OF GLENN CUNNINGHAMS ELECTION AND LEADERSHIP. I'M NOT THE UTN BUT SUPPORT THEIR BRAVERY AND WONDER WHY ALL THE PEOPLE OF HUDSON COUNTY BLACKS, WHITES, HISPANIC COMING TOGETHER TO FORM A FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND RESTORE OUR DIGNITY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** RESTORE OUR DIGINITY RECALL posted Message 994 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:33:40 Subject: WHILE A RECALL MAY NOT HAPPEN BEFORE A TRIAL RECALL ANYWAY EVEN IF IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY THE COURTS. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STEVIES MOMMY HATES CORRUPTION posted Message 995 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:36:14 Subject: AS STEVIES MOMMY STOP CORRUPTION RECALL THE OUTRAGE OF RACISM STOP THE HCDO MACHINE RECALL. HCDO PLEASE TURN YOURSELVES IN AND SAVE THE PUBLIC THE LOSE OF DIGINITY. STEVE'S MOMMY WANTS YOU TO ACT LIKE GOOD PEOPLE TRY IT YOU MAY LIKE IT. ALSO I'M SHORT AND PROUD OF BEING SHORT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STOPPING CORRUPTION IN HUDSON COUNTY posted Message 996 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:37:49 Subject: STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT GLENN CUNNINGHAM IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD MAYBE IF THE HCDO STOP THEIR CORRUPTION. ***************** End Of Article ****************** JERSEY CITY VICTIM OF CRIME HCDO HAS MUGGED THE PEOPLE posted Message 997 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:39:28 Subject: VICTIMS OF CRIME THE PEOPLE STOP THE CORRUPTION STOP THE STEALING ASK THE HCDO TO STEP DOWN RESTORE YOUR DIGINITY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** CHILDREN NEED A FUTURE THAT IS BEING ROBBED BY THE HCDO posted Message 998 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:41:37 Subject: HOW CAN A PROPER SYSTEM OF EDUCATION BE PROVIDED IN A CORRUPT HUDSON COUNTY OUR CHILDREN SUFFER BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT STOOD UP TO THE HCDO AND TOLD THEM WE WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS WE ARE THE PEOPLE STOP THE STEALING. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES ROBBED BY CORRUPTION posted Message 999 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:44:31 Subject: THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES STOLEN BY CORRUPTION HOW MANY ELDERLY SUFFER BECAUSE SERVICES AND FUNDS TO PROVIDE SERVICES ARE STOLEN BY THE CORRUPTION OF THE HCDO. WE THE ELDERLY OF HUDSON COUNTY CANNOT STAND THIS OUTRAGE AND THE STEALING OF OUR DIGNITY. WE HAVE DIED IN TO PROTECT FREEDOM ON FOREIGN SHORES THE BLOOD OF THE THOSE THAT HAVE COME BEFORE CRY FOR JUSTICE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOVE OF FREEDOM WILL RECALL THE HCDO posted Message 1000 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:46:19 Subject: LOVE OF GOD, COUNTRY, AND FREEDOM STOP THE CORRUPTION STOP THE THEFT OF OUR LIVES OUR FREEDOM BY THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** TO ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION posted Message 1001 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:48:01 Subject: A PRAYER FOR ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION MAY OUR BROKEN DREAMS OF FREEDOM BE RESTORED STOP THE HCDO AND ITS RACIST CORRUPTION. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I HAD A DREAM posted Message 1002 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:49:31 Subject: I HAD A DREAM MANY HAVE DIED TO SUPPORT THE HOPE OF A NEW FUTURE EVEN TODAY THE FIGHT GOES ON UTN HAS BEEN THE VOICE OF HOPE AGAINST THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG posted Message 1003 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:51:07 Subject: RODNEY WELL NO ONE CAN GET ALONG WITH RACIST AND PEOPLE THAT STEAL DREAMS OF FREEDOM. STOP THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** MENENDEZ THE EVIL BEHIND THE HCDO posted Message 1004 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:52:40 Subject: STOP FIDEL MENENDEZ STOP THE DICTATOR MENENDEZ STOP HIS CONTROL OF HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE POOR TAXPAYER ROBBED posted Message 1005 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:54:07 Subject: ROBBED BY THE HCDO HOW MANY DOLLARS NEVER GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED STOP THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** DORIA CRYS FOWL posted Message 1006 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:55:53 Subject: PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST FAMILY MR. DORIA UTN NEVER MADE A PERSONAL ATTACK THEY SIMPLY STATED FACTS OF RACIST AND CORRUPTION IF THAT IS A PERSONAL ATTACK THEN CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOR. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE posted Message 1007 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 08:58:22 Subject: DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION CLASSES WILL BE HELD FOR THE OBTAINING THE BEST DEAL IN THE FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM WILL BE HELD AT HCDO HEADQUARTERS. PARTICIPANTS ARE ASKED TO BRING TRANSCRIPTS OF INFORMATION GIVEN TO THE FEDS. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE posted Message 1008 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:00:52 Subject: STING OPERATIONS ARE GROWING WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU TOOK FUNDS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY FROM AN ILLEGAL SOURCE FOR AN ILLEGAL PURPOSE. IT SEEMS THAT RECORDINGS HAVE BEEN MADE AND VIDEOS. WHO WILL BE THE STAR THIS WEEK AS THE WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE PROGRAM COMES TO AN END. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE posted Message 1009 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:02:22 Subject: LET YOUR FELLOW CORRUPTION PARTNERS DO YOUR TIME WHY WAIT FOR OTHERS TO TURN YOU IN TURN THEM IN FIRST. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STOP CORRUPTION posted Message 1010 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:05:36 Subject: GROWTH SECTOR KEEP YOUR MONEY AND CHECK OUT THE FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAMS ***************** End Of Article ****************** VICTIM OF CORRUPTION posted Message 1011 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:07:19 Subject: GLENN CUNNINGHAM FOR GOVENOR RECALL MCGREEVEY AND ELECT GLENN CUNNIGHAM GOVENOR OF NEW JERSEY ***************** End Of Article ****************** FOR SALE CORRUPT POLITICAL ORGANIZATION posted Message 1012 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:09:05 Subject: HCDO WILL SELL THE ORGANIZATION TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER HCDO GOES TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER CHEAP AS THE FEDS CLOSE IN. ***************** End Of Article ****************** PEACE TO THE PEOPLE OF HUDSON COUNTY posted Message 1013 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:11:02 Subject: MAY PEACE BE THE OUTCOME OF THIS FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION PEACE TO HUDSON COUNTY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THIS IS BIGGER THAN ALL OF US posted Message 1014 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:12:54 Subject: THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT PEOPLE ARE THE REASON TO FIGHT CORRUPTION THEY NEED AN HONEST GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE ARE THE REASON FOR GOVERNMENT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HOPE OF A BETTER DAY posted Message 1015 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:14:10 Subject: NO CORRUPTION HOPE OF A BETTER DAY HUDSON COUNTY NEEDS HOPE FOR A BETTER DAY NO CORRUPTION. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STOP CORRUPTION posted Message 1016 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:15:31 Subject: WE NEED TO STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTING CUNNINGHAM WILL STOP THE CORRUPTION AND RACIST BEHAVIOR OF THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STOP CORRUPTION posted Message 1017 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:16:56 Subject: CUNNINGHAM IS GOD'S CANDIDATE GLENN CUNNINGHAM IS GOD'S CANDIDATE TO CLEAN UP HUDSON COUNTY AND THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GOD'S LOVE posted Message 1018 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:18:14 Subject: GOD WANTS YOU TO STOP THE EVIL OF CORRUPTION GOD DOES NOT WANT YOU TO WASTE YOUR LIVES WITH CORRUPTION IT MUST STOP DO THE RIGHT THING. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GOD'S MESSENGER posted Message 1019 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 09:19:39 Subject: STOP THE EVIL OF RACISM STOP THE HCDO IT IS NOT PERSONAL TO ASK THE HCDO TO HONOR THE PEOPLES CANDIDATE AND STOP THEIR CORRUPTION. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1020 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 10:14:39 Subject: News 12 Video: Doria Trashes the Urban Times News On the News 12 show, NJ Power and Politics, Bayonne Mayor Joe Doria speaks out against the Urban Times News. To view the Online video, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** He Fears the Truth posted Message 1021 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 10:56:56 Subject: Doria Sounds Afraid Big Joe Doria sounds like he is afraid of the Urban Times News -- In addition I noticed that the guy interviewing Doria seemed to fluff off and basically dismiss Doria's UTN Complaints .... Just an observation. : On the News 12 show, NJ Power and Politics, Bayonne Mayor Joe Doria speaks out against the Urban Times News. : To view the Online video, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1022 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 11:33:04 Subject: Re: News 12 Video: Doria Trashes the Urban Times News : On the News 12 show, NJ Power and Politics, Bayonne Mayor Joe Doria speaks out against the Urban Times News. : To view the Online video, please click on the Link. HCDO Joe again shows that how that crowd thinks of the people of Jersey City as a big mass of silly putty -- TAKES ANY SHAPE THAT YOU ROLL IT UP INTO!!! PRESS IT AGAINST THE PAGES OF THE URBAN TIMES NEWS AND THE PRINT RUBS OFF AGAINST IT!!! Didja maybe figger guys that the residents of Jersey City really do think? That they aren't some buncha zombies with the Urban Times News whispering orders into their ears? The truth (as Degise's loss in Jersey City shows) is that Jersey City doesn't like being dictated to. UTN reflects what people in Jersey City are thinking. The UTN isn't putting thoughts into anybody's head! HCDO insults and attacks the people of Jersey City and expects love and respect to be the result? I see three options:The HDCO leadership and their communication wizards all are soft in the head – at the very least, as far as Jersey City is concernedHCDO has found it expedient to alienate Jersey City. By making Jersey City the enemy, HCDO consolidates control over the rest of the county.The HCDO communication crew has hijacked the enterprise and continues throwing gasoline on the fire to make work for themselves. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lance A. Lott posted Message 1023 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 12:15:56 Subject: Get A Life Who ever is writing all this crap is one sick puppy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Superman Woof Woof posted Message 1024 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 15:11:18 Subject: Re: Get A Life truth justice and the american way woof woof : Who ever is writing all this crap is one sick puppy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stupid idiot posted Message 1025 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 03, 2003 at 21:05:21 Subject: I wonder if there is anything fun to do with Hudson County Politics Does the Democratice Organization hold parties and dances fun things that can attract people. Since this is almost a Presidential Election year with no clear leader in sight how are the Democrats organizing around the various candidates? There must be a glimer of some viable political activity. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FREEDOM FROM HCDO posted Message 1026 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 00:15:18 Subject: SUPPORT FRAGUELA, DINARDO AND MUNOZ Support the candidates against the corrupt HCDO on the 33rd district. Vote smart, vote against HCDO candidates who want to rob your money. Vote and Support Fraguela, Dinardo and Munoz!!!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Get off this board ..This is a Dem only fight forum posted Message 1027 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 02:00:00 Subject: UTN SAYS GO AWAY..HCDO SAYS GO AWAY THE PEOPLE SAY GO AWAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sparky the Fire Dog posted Message 1028 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 09:31:50 Subject: If the HCDO cancels the Cunnigham victory Sparky wil pay their graft I was wondering why the Black Democrats have not spoken up against this racist group running the Hudson County Democrats seems as if they have ignored the whole story. I wonder why? Also the party ie the Democratic Machine has still remained in power regardless of the games they play. So my question is where are all the outraged Democrats or are they really just like everybody else and only want what lines their pockets. Granted at times I'm to the right of Jesse Helms when it comes to the use and abuse of tax dollars but this a clear case of racism and should never be tolerated by Republican or Democrat or do they believe if you live in the North you cannot be a racist. This is clearly a double standard glossed over by the preconceived notion that Yankees are not racist well this proof of the amount of denial they have about their own form of racism. Even though I lean towards the Republicans when it comes to fiscal responsibility in government the fact that Cunnigham has been denied his due process after an election and the voters have been denied their votes makes me sick. So if the HCDO ran Sparky the fire dog and he agreed to continue to support their corruption Sparky could run because it seems to be what they want how they want it and when they want it. In essence they are anti-democratic and cancerous to a free peoples process of government. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Just Another Dude posted Message 1029 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 12:49:09 Subject: Childhood Obesity The answer for fat head babies like the Hudson County Democratic facist Pediatricians have a responsibility to identify and combat the growing incidence of childhood obesity, with nearly one in seven U.S. children afflicted, a doctor's group said on Monday. "At a minimum ... pediatricians need to proactively discuss and promote healthy eating behaviors for children at an early age," a policy statement by the American Academy of Pediatricians said. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1030 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 17:31:43 Subject: Tonites topics on HCT Cunninghams ralley, No petitions for McCann and Cruz, Best theatres in Hudson County, Worse movies ever made (Jlo and Bens movies bombs at the box office all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1030 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 17:31:46 Subject: Tonites topics on HCT Cunninghams ralley, No petitions for McCann and Cruz, Best theatres in Hudson County, Worse movies ever made (Jlo and Bens movies bombs at the box office all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I love Jlo's acting posted Message 1031 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 18:49:08 Subject: Re: Tonites topics on HCT Who would go to a Jlo film for the acting its like a Bridgit Bardot movie for the lighting. : Cunninghams ralley, No petitions for McCann and Cruz, Best theatres in Hudson County, Worse movies ever made (Jlo and Bens movies bombs at the box office all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pat the S U C K UP posted Message 1032 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 19:20:37 Subject: Worse Radio Show On Earth Please Pat -- Give it up. Did you get the County Job yet? : Cunninghams ralley, No petitions for McCann and Cruz, Best theatres in Hudson County, Worse movies ever made (Jlo and Bens movies bombs at the box office all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Third Party without racism posted Message 1033 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 22:58:36 Subject: The Democrats have failed a third party is required The Democrats have failed in Hudson County by preforming acts that can only be understood to be racist in nature and self serving to line their pockets. It must be time for a new party one that does require one to surrender legal election results for political underhanded deals. Cunnigham won fair and square so why has the HCDO continued to stop his progress? This situation is unacceptable to those that care about freedom and justice. Stop supporting the Democrats all together and form another party without racism. Present office holders in alliance with the HCDO should be asked if they agree with the racist treatment of Glenn Cunningham. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Loyal HCDO=Racist posted Message 1034 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 23:01:40 Subject: Acts committed in your name are your property Loyal HCDO=Racist When they came for me no one was there to stand up with me because I had let them take you. Cunningham's victory has been stolen all hope is gone ***************** End Of Article ****************** Webster posted Message 1035 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 04, 2003 at 23:04:16 Subject: Definition rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ATTtollFree Collections posted Message 1036 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 05, 2003 at 00:15:02 Subject: Pat's Phone Disconnected ! After recieving NUMEROUS complaints we have disconnect Pat's 877 Phone Number. This was done as a service to the community. Pat's S U C K up agenda was too much for our Tool Free lines to handle. In Addition PAT OWES $$$$$$$$$$ for his Toll Free Number Pat tried to pay his phone bill by giving ATT free Airtime on his lame show - Needless to say our ATT Service Rep laughed in Pat's Face. : Cunninghams ralley, No petitions for McCann and Cruz, Best theatres in Hudson County, Worse movies ever made (Jlo and Bens movies bombs at the box office all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** S,G. posted Message 1037 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 05, 2003 at 02:03:03 Subject: S.A. TTM TTM MMMMM I Love The Things You Say TTM TTM ***************** End Of Article ****************** Frank posted Message 1038 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 05, 2003 at 06:19:06 Subject: My Ears Hear Sal Vega is next to be Indicted by FEDS The FBI is now going to make public the cooperation of Sal Vega as a Stooge. Having been caught on the Janiszewski tapes SAL has been a very good informant and has been very helpful recording others on tapes of his own. Sal suicide ain't going to save you from the Big house but that mic will. Great Job Sal Vega! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1039 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 05, 2003 at 08:23:35 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bob the Bishop posted Message 1040 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 05, 2003 at 09:41:15 Subject: HCDO names Menendez leader of the year Having ended the due process afforded even the poorest of the poor Congressman Menendez has achieved the leader of the year. Of course this award has only been given once before to Adolf Hitler. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Leather lungs posted Message 1041 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 05, 2003 at 22:10:22 Subject: Steve hic-cup Lipski Boy wonder had another accident with his city car on Monday afternoon. Its his 4th in the last 2 years that have been reported. The last few in the daytime after a liquid lunch. This guy is dangerous to himself and anybody in his path. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Denied the News?? posted Message 1042 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 06:38:10 Subject: How does Nick Sacco keep all the crime stories out of Jersey journal? How Does Nick Sacco get away with all his abuses in North Bergen? Where is the FBI? How come there is a news black out of anything bad happening in North Bergen? Where are the Jersey Journal ethics as a local newspaper? I thinks its time to move from NB and NJ. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Simple poor journalism not ethics posted Message 1043 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 07:45:59 Subject: Re: How does Nick Sacco keep all the crime stories out of Jersey journal? Are you suggesting that a newspaper has left news out of their publication for a political reason? Ethics aside that type of question requires and investigation. Maybe just maybe there is an oversight on the part of the Editor or a lack of resources to cover these incidents. Maybe Mr. Sacco is clean as the driven snow? Maybe the FBI is already there gathering information waiting to gain a critical mass for court? Maybe North Bergen has no issues that warrant an investigation? There are many many maybes about this lack of news. Maybe the Journal lacks staff and cannot afford to cover North Bergen? If because of the lack of money the Journal cannot cover North Bergen and Mr. Sacco then whos fault is it they are simply poor. We cannot make attacks on a company for a business decision. On the other hand if it is done for political reasons and the Journal has full knowledge of wrong doings by Mr. Sacco and the have a policy to ignore these incidents then that is a bad thing but who knows what is going on. In any case a newspaper should clarify issues not cloud them. The situation with Mr. Sacco and his relationship the Journal clouds the issues and leaves one thinking that the newspapers policy is bad journalism. : How Does Nick Sacco get away with all his abuses in North Bergen? : Where is the FBI? : How come there is a news black out of anything bad happening in North Bergen? : Where are the Jersey Journal ethics as a local newspaper? : I thinks its time to move from NB and NJ. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The rasism card is getting old. posted Message 1044 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 09:24:21 Subject: Someting to think about. The last time we looked, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith was still African-American and Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli of Jersey City was still a Latina. Yet their continuing court challenges to the results of the June Democratic primary in the 31st Legislative District are continually labeled as racist actions by opponents, particularly Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. Cunningham defeated Smith for the Democratic nomination for state Senate. His running mates, Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo of Jersey City, defeated Perez-Cinciarelli and Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria Jr., who is also mayor of Bayonne. Smith, Perez-Cinciarelli and Doria were the candidates of the Hudson County Democratic Organization, and they're now in court trying to void the results. They allege voter fraud and illegal campaign spending. It may be a grasping at straws. It may be an attempt, as the Cunningham team charges, to "steal" an election through the courts that they couldn't win at the polls. Maybe the HCDO has a case. It spent more than $1 million on a losing campaign, so what's another $100,000 or so to go to court? But is it racism? In this case, Cunningham argues that the challenge involves the mostly African-American portion of the district. But racism's a charge Jersey City's first African-American mayor and his allies have never been shy of employing in the 11/2 years that Cunningham has been battling with the HCDO leadership. Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, has been a particular Cunningham target, but he has plenty of company. Even Gov. James E. McGreevey has been included because of his support of HCDO candidates and his subsequent refusal to intervene on behalf of Cunningham as the legal battle continues. Numerous other opponents, or people who just disagree with the mayor on issues, have been labeled as racist by the Cunningham camp - including this newspaper because it didn't endorse him for mayor two years ago or for Senate this year. African-Americans like Smith who oppose Cunningham are called traitors to their race. Is Smith any less African-American because he ran against Cunningham instead of supporting him? Why is dumping a Latina elected official in favor of an Italian-American male any less racially motivated than challenging Cunningham? If the results were overturned, wouldn't Smith and Perez-Cinciarelli be the beneficiaries? Would that be racism? It's also no small irony that Cunningham has surrounded himself with advisers who in the past he criticized for their attempts to thwart minority voters - and, in fact, were the principals in a municipal election campaign that led to civil rights complaints alleging attempts to suppress minority votes. The case cost an insurance firm some $600,000 to settle. Now that those people campaign for Cunningham, there's no mention by the administration of these past complaints. There are many reasons for the HCDO and Cunningham to be fighting - the desire to control patronage and contracts; the reluctance of most of the other mayors in the county to let any mayor of Jersey City of any color impose his will upon the county political apparatus; plain old ego. Cunningham maintains he wants only his fair share. The HCDO says it's willing to give him a fair share. What are the chances of agreeing on what is a fair share? Meanwhile, the invective goes on. There's no question that racism exists and should be exposed. But equating any or all anti-Cunningham sentiment or activity with racism is disingenuous, if not outright dishonest. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WOW Cunningham Won posted Message 1045 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 09:34:49 Subject: Re: Someting to think about. Glenn Cunningham won well that was the first time I've every heard this from an HCDO supporter. The race card never gets old since racism is something to fight against. The HCDO while it maybe somewhat open to representation other than white it lacks equal treatment for its minority supporters. The Victory of Glenn Cunningham was against the HCDO's effort to defeat him. They must be held accountable to their accounts to defeat him which they lost. When and if a minority is considered acceptable the sole determining factor is that minorities compliance with the corrupt scenario already in place. This long legacy of corruption has its roots firmly planted in soil that mandates a corrupt usurping of the peoples money and their right to representation. So while not overtly racist their actions can be considered nothing else but racist. The struggle against poverty, racism, and equal access to the law has been denied to all but in particular the minority community which needs this safety net of dignity to advance in society. This form of racism by denial of service and access to justice is more dangerous because titular representation of minorities makes the claim of RACISM unclear but still the defacto agenda. : The last time we looked, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith was still African-American and Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli of Jersey City was still a Latina. : Yet their continuing court challenges to the results of the June Democratic primary in the 31st Legislative District are continually labeled as racist actions by opponents, particularly Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. : : Cunningham defeated Smith for the Democratic nomination for state Senate. His running mates, Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo of Jersey City, defeated Perez-Cinciarelli and Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria Jr., who is also mayor of Bayonne. : Smith, Perez-Cinciarelli and Doria were the candidates of the Hudson County Democratic Organization, and they're now in court trying to void the results. They allege voter fraud and illegal campaign spending. : It may be a grasping at straws. It may be an attempt, as the Cunningham team charges, to "steal" an election through the courts that they couldn't win at the polls. Maybe the HCDO has a case. It spent more than $1 million on a losing campaign, so what's another $100,000 or so to go to court? : But is it racism? : In this case, Cunningham argues that the challenge involves the mostly African-American portion of the district. But racism's a charge Jersey City's first African-American mayor and his allies have never been shy of employing in the 11/2 years that Cunningham has been battling with the HCDO leadership. : Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, has been a particular Cunningham target, but he has plenty of company. Even Gov. James E. McGreevey has been included because of his support of HCDO candidates and his subsequent refusal to intervene on behalf of Cunningham as the legal battle continues. : Numerous other opponents, or people who just disagree with the mayor on issues, have been labeled as racist by the Cunningham camp - including this newspaper because it didn't endorse him for mayor two years ago or for Senate this year. African-Americans like Smith who oppose Cunningham are called traitors to their race. : Is Smith any less African-American because he ran against Cunningham instead of supporting him? Why is dumping a Latina elected official in favor of an Italian-American male any less racially motivated than challenging Cunningham? : If the results were overturned, wouldn't Smith and Perez-Cinciarelli be the beneficiaries? Would that be racism? : It's also no small irony that Cunningham has surrounded himself with advisers who in the past he criticized for their attempts to thwart minority voters - and, in fact, were the principals in a municipal election campaign that led to civil rights complaints alleging attempts to suppress minority votes. The case cost an insurance firm some $600,000 to settle. : Now that those people campaign for Cunningham, there's no mention by the administration of these past complaints. : There are many reasons for the HCDO and Cunningham to be fighting - the desire to control patronage and contracts; the reluctance of most of the other mayors in the county to let any mayor of Jersey City of any color impose his will upon the county political apparatus; plain old ego. : Cunningham maintains he wants only his fair share. The HCDO says it's willing to give him a fair share. What are the chances of agreeing on what is a fair share? Meanwhile, the invective goes on. : There's no question that racism exists and should be exposed. But equating any or all anti-Cunningham sentiment or activity with racism is disingenuous, if not outright dishonest. ***************** End Of Article ****************** SMACK MUFFINS posted Message 1046 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 15:16:03 Subject: I'M TIRED OF ALL THIS WE ARE SUCH NICE PEOPLE I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE NICE CORRUPT DUDES FROM THE HCDO CRYING ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE BEEN ATTACKED. THIS IS A LIE THEY HAVE STOLEN, ROBBED AND CHEATED . THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE THROWN OUT ON THEIR EAR. WE THE PEOPLE CANNOT STAND THEIR LIES ANYMORE END THEIR RACIST REGIME. END IT NOW WE ARE TIRED OF LISTENING TO THEIR LIE ABOUT PERSONAL ATTACKS DORITTO BANDITTO FROM BAYONNE HAD HSI TWO SISTERS BOTH OF WHOM ARE NUNS LIE IN ORDER TO VOTE FOR HIM. GETTING NUNS TO LIE REALLY. DORITTO BANDITTO FORM BAYONNE STOP CRYING ABOUT ATTACKS YOUR CORRUPTION OFFENDS US ALL LEAVE GO TO FLORIDA. ***************** End Of Article ****************** LETS RUMBLE posted Message 1047 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 15:18:22 Subject: CALLING FOR A TAG TEAM MATCH SINCE THE HCDO DOES NOT AGREE TO DEMOCRATIC TERMS MAYBE A WRESTLING MATCH WOULD WORK.. I'M SURE THE WWF WOULD SPONSOR IT. IMAGINE DORITTO BANDITTO AND HCDO TAG TEAM. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Roll In DOUGH - Find Joes WET Spot posted Message 1048 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 16:50:14 Subject: DORIA = SUMO WRESTLER : SINCE THE HCDO DOES NOT AGREE TO DEMOCRATIC TERMS MAYBE A WRESTLING MATCH WOULD WORK.. I'M SURE THE WWF WOULD SPONSOR IT. IMAGINE DORITTO BANDITTO AND HCDO TAG TEAM. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Year of the Recall Conan the Destroyer posted Message 1049 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 22:22:55 Subject: Lets get a Terminator for the HCDO Maybe Hudson County needs a Terminator like California has. Are there any Arnold's in Hudson County. We shall see if we can make these scoundrels run for the hills before the Federal Investigators get to them. We'll be back. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Arnold Schwarzenegger posted Message 1050 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 22:25:08 Subject: Recall the HCDO let play Predator You can hide HCDO but we will find you and out you go. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GROW UP EVERYONE! posted Message 1051 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 06, 2003 at 22:41:17 Subject: THE CRAP ON THIS BOARD IS BULL$HIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1052 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 07, 2003 at 06:06:23 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Royal Flush posted Message 1053 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 07, 2003 at 08:13:10 Subject: Secaucus Graveyard? You ain't seen nothin' yet! Getting Dan Frohwirth fired, the waterfront queen might just finally bitten off too much. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THIS SITE $UCKS posted Message 1054 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 07, 2003 at 14:05:42 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Message Board. UGH! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1055 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 07, 2003 at 14:52:47 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Feuilles posted Message 1056 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 07, 2003 at 21:44:47 Subject: The red card Glenn's Red Card In basketball it is called a technical foul. In baseball, it's the umpire giving one the heave-ho. Football has personal fouls. And in soccer, it's the red card. When a player on the field causes such disruption as to cause the referee to stop play and cause the player to be removed from the game. It's the ultimate penalty – its when the referee says to a player no more. It comes after such a foul that could cause the game itself to be fundamentally changed. For Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM, some state Democratic leaders are saying, it may be time for the red card. Cunningham, who became Jersey City's first African American Mayor two years ago, has become one of the most mercurial leaders in the state. In the short period of two years, he has alienated the very political allies that put him into office, engaged in a petty fight with the local Congressman, angered local and state Democrats, and has fought with pretty much everybody on the other side of Newark Bay. Cunningham even compared Menendez to a "political terrorist" in the immediate aftermath of September 11th, where residents of Cunningham's city were killed. Many political observers thought that Cunningham was making dumb, but rookie, mistakes. Many political observers saw Cunningham's actions as the sign of a one term mayor. But this June, Cunningham seemed to gain the upper hand. After a very hard fought campaign, Cunningham, was nominated for the State Senate, defeating party endorsed candidate and Jersey City Council President L. HARVEY SMITH by an eight point margin. The margin helped defeat long time Assemblyman JOSEPH DORIA and Assemblywoman ELBA PEREZ-CINCIARELLI by Bayonne Councilman ANTHONY CHIAPPONE and former Hudson County Freeholder LOUIS MANZO. The sweep seemed complete as Cunningham emerged with one of the most powerful tools in New Jersey politics – senatorial courtesy. But Cunningham appears completely unable to be a good winner. In fact, since the June primary, Cunningham may well be on his way to Worst Winner of the Year. Since the primary, Cunningham has taunted Gov. JAMES E. MCGREEVEY, challenged State Democratic Chairwoman BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN (whom he called "Aunt Bonnie," -- a term offensive to African Americans), attacked fellow Hudson County Democrats, and raised the specter of the Ku Klux Klan. The HCDO filed suit last week, alleging that Cunningham's team was aided by contributions from several political action committees that far exceeded the $36,000 limit prescribed by law. The county party also submitted what they claim is evidence gleaned from an extensive review of voting records that shows illegal voter participation in the primary that might have altered the results of each race. The HCDO has said its goal is to overturn the results of the primary. Under such a scenario, the party's county committee would then pick new candidates. Two Hudson Democratic sources says that the organization is confident enough in their ability to deliver margins in other parts of the county that they are willing to publicly reveal longtime tactics used to manipulate votes in Jersey City. If that's accurate, it ought to be quite a show. It is Cunningham's recent actions that have political insiders wondering about his own stability. In recent days, Cunningham supporters have attacked State Senator BERNARD KENNY, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman, by invoking a 40-year-old issue regarding Kenny's late father in an effort to damage his reputation. Then Cunningham accused Congressman ROBERT MENENDEZ, of being a racist and said that the actions of the Hudson Democrats were little different than those of the Klan. That's a tough sell, even in the rough-and-tumble of Hudson County politics. Cunningham's attempt to play the race card against the organization has little credibility. The HCDO helped Charles become the first African American State Senator from Hudson County, backed the late JANET HAYNES for County Clerk, and Cunningham himself was the beneficiary of organization support in the 2001 mayoral race. If anything, the June primary was a net loss for minorities: Perez-Cinciarelli, an Hispanic woman, will be replaced in the State Assembly by a white male. Finally, on Tuesday evening, Cunningham led a demonstration at Menendez' office and again saying that Menendez was insufficiently understanding of black voters. Menendez fired back immediately saying that Cunningham's actions were way outside the mainstream of politics. Cunningham's Assembly running mate, Manzo, says he might challenge Menendez next year for Congress. A number of Statehouse observers are stunned by Cunningham's actions. After winning the Senate nomination, Cunningham seemed to have the potential of enormous political strength. But not less than two months later, Cunningham seems to have backed himself into a corner by challenging Menendez, the member of Congress with one of the single largest campaign war chests in the country -- nearly $3 million. Cunningham was in the position to demand peace in Hudson County; now he has seemingly crossed the Rubicon, there can no peace between Menendez and Cunningham. Caught in the middle are state Democrat leaders. For McGreevey, he is loathe to cross the powerful Menendez, whose political reach extends outside the borders of his four-county congressional district -- despite some very public feuding in recent months. In addition, Watson Coleman is said to be gravely concerned about Cunningham's rather public flirtation with Republican Senate Co-President JOHN BENNETT, including a very well noticed lunch last week in Jersey City. And Cunningham has forged a strong political alliance with former Newark mayoral candidate CORY BOOKER, whose law firm gets considerable Jersey City work -- Cunningham is expected to attend a fundraiser for Booker's 2006 campaign for Mayor at the Ridgewood home of attorney VICTOR HERLINKSY. This won't help Cunningham get along with another big city Mayor/State Senator: Booker foe SHARPE JAMES. The Mayor of Jersey City seems to be doing everything he can to preclude peace. By attacking Kenny's family, calling Menendez a racist and a terrorist, and by dancing with the Republicans, Cunningham seems to be insisting on a total victory, defined presumably by the removal of Menendez from Congress. An highly unlikely event. Cunningham may well end up winning some political battles, but many New Jersey political observers are feeling that he is not playing well with others and needs a red card. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Feuilles posted Message 1057 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 07, 2003 at 21:46:34 Subject: The pot calling the kettle........................ The last time we looked, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith was still African-American and Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli of Jersey City was still a Latina. Yet their continuing court challenges to the results of the June Democratic primary in the 31st Legislative District are continually labeled as racist actions by opponents, particularly Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. Cunningham defeated Smith for the Democratic nomination for state Senate. His running mates, Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo of Jersey City, defeated Perez-Cinciarelli and Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria Jr., who is also mayor of Bayonne. Smith, Perez-Cinciarelli and Doria were the candidates of the Hudson County Democratic Organization, and they're now in court trying to void the results. They allege voter fraud and illegal campaign spending. It may be a grasping at straws. It may be an attempt, as the Cunningham team charges, to "steal" an election through the courts that they couldn't win at the polls. Maybe the HCDO has a case. It spent more than $1 million on a losing campaign, so what's another $100,000 or so to go to court? But is it racism? In this case, Cunningham argues that the challenge involves the mostly African-American portion of the district. But racism's a charge Jersey City's first African-American mayor and his allies have never been shy of employing in the 11/2 years that Cunningham has been battling with the HCDO leadership. Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, has been a particular Cunningham target, but he has plenty of company. Even Gov. James E. McGreevey has been included because of his support of HCDO candidates and his subsequent refusal to intervene on behalf of Cunningham as the legal battle continues. Numerous other opponents, or people who just disagree with the mayor on issues, have been labeled as racist by the Cunningham camp - including this newspaper because it didn't endorse him for mayor two years ago or for Senate this year. African-Americans like Smith who oppose Cunningham are called traitors to their race. Is Smith any less African-American because he ran against Cunningham instead of supporting him? Why is dumping a Latina elected official in favor of an Italian-American male any less racially motivated than challenging Cunningham? If the results were overturned, wouldn't Smith and Perez-Cinciarelli be the beneficiaries? Would that be racism? It's also no small irony that Cunningham has surrounded himself with advisers who in the past he criticized for their attempts to thwart minority voters - and, in fact, were the principals in a municipal election campaign that led to civil rights complaints alleging attempts to suppress minority votes. The case cost an insurance firm some $600,000 to settle. Now that those people campaign for Cunningham, there's no mention by the administration of these past complaints. There are many reasons for the HCDO and Cunningham to be fighting - the desire to control patronage and contracts; the reluctance of most of the other mayors in the county to let any mayor of Jersey City of any color impose his will upon the county political apparatus; plain old ego. Cunningham maintains he wants only his fair share. The HCDO says it's willing to give him a fair share. What are the chances of agreeing on what is a fair share? Meanwhile, the invective goes on. There's no question that racism exists and should be exposed. But equating any or all anti-Cunningham sentiment or activity with racism is disingenuous, if not outright dishonest. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woozy Red Card posted Message 1058 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 00:24:25 Subject: Re: The red card So it OK for political leaders to act against the will of the electorate when votes have been cast and the political leaders are crooks. Especially taking away the poor and minority rigths of the community. So they are so powerful and corrupt they can hand out red cards without any law governing them. This my friend is tryanny and will not stand the ill wind of the publics rath. Polite as the red card expression maybe it is against the rights of humanity to have their dignity stolen by some greedy member of the HCDO or the Governor himself. Count the days before a recall shall come upon their doorsteps and they will answer to those that have the power the people. This nation has shed to much blood for liberty to allow some sniveling twerp define a red card in any political forum you have the right to speak your mind but it is utter nonsense and foolish for us the legal entity of the people to believe we must accept corruption under the vail of good behavior since the rule book is rigged with the usurping of our rights. WE the PEOPLE will not rest until a order of dignity is restored. : Glenn's Red Card : In basketball it is called a technical foul. In baseball, it's the umpire giving one the heave-ho. Football has personal fouls. And in soccer, it's the red card. When a player on the field causes such disruption as to cause the referee to stop play and cause the player to be removed from the game. It's the ultimate penalty – its when the referee says to a player no more. It comes after such a foul that could cause the game itself to be fundamentally changed. : For Jersey City Mayor GLENN CUNNINGHAM, some state Democratic leaders are saying, it may be time for the red card. : Cunningham, who became Jersey City's first African American Mayor two years ago, has become one of the most mercurial leaders in the state. In the short period of two years, he has alienated the very political allies that put him into office, engaged in a petty fight with the local Congressman, angered local and state Democrats, and has fought with pretty much everybody on the other side of Newark Bay. Cunningham even compared Menendez to a "political terrorist" in the immediate aftermath of September 11th, where residents of Cunningham's city were killed. Many political observers thought that Cunningham was making dumb, but rookie, mistakes. : Many political observers saw Cunningham's actions as the sign of a one term mayor. : But this June, Cunningham seemed to gain the upper hand. After a very hard fought campaign, Cunningham, was nominated for the State Senate, defeating party endorsed candidate and Jersey City Council President L. HARVEY SMITH by an eight point margin. The margin helped defeat long time Assemblyman JOSEPH DORIA and Assemblywoman ELBA PEREZ-CINCIARELLI by Bayonne Councilman ANTHONY CHIAPPONE and former Hudson County Freeholder LOUIS MANZO. The sweep seemed complete as Cunningham emerged with one of the most powerful tools in New Jersey politics – senatorial courtesy. : But Cunningham appears completely unable to be a good winner. In fact, since the June primary, Cunningham may well be on his way to Worst Winner of the Year. Since the primary, Cunningham has taunted Gov. JAMES E. MCGREEVEY, challenged State Democratic Chairwoman BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN (whom he called "Aunt Bonnie," -- a term offensive to African Americans), attacked fellow Hudson County Democrats, and raised the specter of the Ku Klux Klan. : : The HCDO filed suit last week, alleging that Cunningham's team was aided by contributions from several political action committees that far exceeded the $36,000 limit prescribed by law. The county party also submitted what they claim is evidence gleaned from an extensive review of voting records that shows illegal voter participation in the primary that might have altered the results of each race. The HCDO has said its goal is to overturn the results of the primary. Under such a scenario, the party's county committee would then pick new candidates. : : Two Hudson Democratic sources says that the organization is confident enough in their ability to deliver margins in other parts of the county that they are willing to publicly reveal longtime tactics used to manipulate votes in Jersey City. If that's accurate, it ought to be quite a show. : : It is Cunningham's recent actions that have political insiders wondering about his own stability. In recent days, Cunningham supporters have attacked State Senator BERNARD KENNY, the Hudson County Democratic Chairman, by invoking a 40-year-old issue regarding Kenny's late father in an effort to damage his reputation. Then Cunningham accused Congressman ROBERT MENENDEZ, of being a racist and said that the actions of the Hudson Democrats were little different than those of the Klan. That's a tough sell, even in the rough-and-tumble of Hudson County politics. : : Cunningham's attempt to play the race card against the organization has little credibility. The HCDO helped Charles become the first African American State Senator from Hudson County, backed the late JANET HAYNES for County Clerk, and Cunningham himself was the beneficiary of organization support in the 2001 mayoral race. If anything, the June primary was a net loss for minorities: Perez-Cinciarelli, an Hispanic woman, will be replaced in the State Assembly by a white male. : Finally, on Tuesday evening, Cunningham led a demonstration at Menendez' office and again saying that Menendez was insufficiently understanding of black voters. Menendez fired back immediately saying that Cunningham's actions were way outside the mainstream of politics. Cunningham's Assembly running mate, Manzo, says he might challenge Menendez next year for Congress. : A number of Statehouse observers are stunned by Cunningham's actions. After winning the Senate nomination, Cunningham seemed to have the potential of enormous political strength. But not less than two months later, Cunningham seems to have backed himself into a corner by challenging Menendez, the member of Congress with one of the single largest campaign war chests in the country -- nearly $3 million. Cunningham was in the position to demand peace in Hudson County; now he has seemingly crossed the Rubicon, there can no peace between Menendez and Cunningham. : Caught in the middle are state Democrat leaders. For McGreevey, he is loathe to cross the powerful Menendez, whose political reach extends outside the borders of his four-county congressional district -- despite some very public feuding in recent months. In addition, Watson Coleman is said to be gravely concerned about Cunningham's rather public flirtation with Republican Senate Co-President JOHN BENNETT, including a very well noticed lunch last week in Jersey City. And Cunningham has forged a strong political alliance with former Newark mayoral candidate CORY BOOKER, whose law firm gets considerable Jersey City work -- Cunningham is expected to attend a fundraiser for Booker's 2006 campaign for Mayor at the Ridgewood home of attorney VICTOR HERLINKSY. This won't help Cunningham get along with another big city Mayor/State Senator: Booker foe SHARPE JAMES. : The Mayor of Jersey City seems to be doing everything he can to preclude peace. By attacking Kenny's family, calling Menendez a racist and a terrorist, and by dancing with the Republicans, Cunningham seems to be insisting on a total victory, defined presumably by the removal of Menendez from Congress. An highly unlikely event. : Cunningham may well end up winning some political battles, but many New Jersey political observers are feeling that he is not playing well with others and needs a red card. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Corruption Crooks posted Message 1059 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 00:38:21 Subject: Re: The pot calling the kettle........................ The actions of the politicians are racist regardless of race since their corrupt actions impact the African American Community the hardest and since they are a specific target of this corruption that constitutes racism by definition. Focusing in on Cunningham and red carding hsi efforts to end corruption because it directly impacts the African American Community as well as Hudson County at large is also racism. You are suggesting that they have the ability to red card based on Cunningham offending a corrupt regime. Honest people tend to offend the corrupt but are you so blind or politically correct to believe that we should accept their corruption as some illness like chicken pox and their eventual treatment will render them cured? Really the obtuse nature of your statements are fairly odd considering the HCDO is stealing from you as well unless you are one of them. Please do not insult our honor or dignity any longer we are the sons and daughters of the those that died for liberty it is our birth right as well as freedom. Glenn Cunnigham has stopped the corruption and his efforts must continue for the children of the children of liberty. This is a Holy War for Liberty against the tryanny of the HCDO and a battle for all the people hurt by corrupt politicians everywhere we are the hope of a new day. We stand at a cross road shall we settle or carry on the fight shall we grow tired of the struggle I say no carry on we do not know what may come of our efforts but we do know what evil miserable lives we will have if we stop the struggle against those that steal our birth right of freedom against all enemies both foreign and domestic the HCDO is a domestic enemy that must be stopped Cunningham by moving ahead with the dream carries us all to that new day not back into a dark world of unequal treatment for some and priviledge for others. Support Glenn Cunningham his work is just. : The last time we looked, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith was still African-American and Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli of Jersey City was still a Latina. : Yet their continuing court challenges to the results of the June Democratic primary in the 31st Legislative District are continually labeled as racist actions by opponents, particularly Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. : : Cunningham defeated Smith for the Democratic nomination for state Senate. His running mates, Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo of Jersey City, defeated Perez-Cinciarelli and Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria Jr., who is also mayor of Bayonne. : Smith, Perez-Cinciarelli and Doria were the candidates of the Hudson County Democratic Organization, and they're now in court trying to void the results. They allege voter fraud and illegal campaign spending. : It may be a grasping at straws. It may be an attempt, as the Cunningham team charges, to "steal" an election through the courts that they couldn't win at the polls. Maybe the HCDO has a case. It spent more than $1 million on a losing campaign, so what's another $100,000 or so to go to court? : But is it racism? : In this case, Cunningham argues that the challenge involves the mostly African-American portion of the district. But racism's a charge Jersey City's first African-American mayor and his allies have never been shy of employing in the 11/2 years that Cunningham has been battling with the HCDO leadership. : Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, has been a particular Cunningham target, but he has plenty of company. Even Gov. James E. McGreevey has been included because of his support of HCDO candidates and his subsequent refusal to intervene on behalf of Cunningham as the legal battle continues. : Numerous other opponents, or people who just disagree with the mayor on issues, have been labeled as racist by the Cunningham camp - including this newspaper because it didn't endorse him for mayor two years ago or for Senate this year. African-Americans like Smith who oppose Cunningham are called traitors to their race. : Is Smith any less African-American because he ran against Cunningham instead of supporting him? Why is dumping a Latina elected official in favor of an Italian-American male any less racially motivated than challenging Cunningham? : If the results were overturned, wouldn't Smith and Perez-Cinciarelli be the beneficiaries? Would that be racism? : It's also no small irony that Cunningham has surrounded himself with advisers who in the past he criticized for their attempts to thwart minority voters - and, in fact, were the principals in a municipal election campaign that led to civil rights complaints alleging attempts to suppress minority votes. The case cost an insurance firm some $600,000 to settle. : Now that those people campaign for Cunningham, there's no mention by the administration of these past complaints. : There are many reasons for the HCDO and Cunningham to be fighting - the desire to control patronage and contracts; the reluctance of most of the other mayors in the county to let any mayor of Jersey City of any color impose his will upon the county political apparatus; plain old ego. : Cunningham maintains he wants only his fair share. The HCDO says it's willing to give him a fair share. What are the chances of agreeing on what is a fair share? Meanwhile, the invective goes on. : There's no question that racism exists and should be exposed. But equating any or all anti-Cunningham sentiment or activity with racism is disingenuous, if not outright dishonest. : : ***************** End Of Article ****************** Molly posted Message 1060 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 07:13:18 Subject: Re: The pot calling the kettle........................ You don't really believe the crap you write, do you? : The actions of the politicians are racist regardless of race since their corrupt actions impact the African American Community the hardest and since they are a specific target of this corruption that constitutes racism by definition. Focusing in on Cunningham and red carding hsi efforts to end corruption because it directly impacts the African American Community as well as Hudson County at large is also racism. You are suggesting that they have the ability to red card based on Cunningham offending a corrupt regime. Honest people tend to offend the corrupt but are you so blind or politically correct to believe that we should accept their corruption as some illness like chicken pox and their eventual treatment will render them cured? Really the obtuse nature of your statements are fairly odd considering the HCDO is stealing from you as well unless you are one of them. Please do not insult our honor or dignity any longer we are the sons and daughters of the those that died for liberty it is our birth right as well as freedom. Glenn Cunnigham has stopped the corruption and his efforts must continue for the children of the children of liberty. This is a Holy War for Liberty against the tryanny of the HCDO and a battle for all the people hurt by corrupt politicians everywhere we are the hope of a new day. We stand at a cross road shall we settle or carry on the fight shall we grow tired of the struggle I say no carry on we do not know what may come of our efforts but we do know what evil miserable lives we will have if we stop the struggle against those that steal our birth right of freedom against all enemies both foreign and domestic the HCDO is a domestic enemy that must be stopped Cunningham by moving ahead with the dream carries us all to that new day not back into a dark world of unequal treatment for some and priviledge for others. Support Glenn Cunningham his work is just. : : : The last time we looked, Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith was still African-American and Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli of Jersey City was still a Latina. : : Yet their continuing court challenges to the results of the June Democratic primary in the 31st Legislative District are continually labeled as racist actions by opponents, particularly Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. : : : : Cunningham defeated Smith for the Democratic nomination for state Senate. His running mates, Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo of Jersey City, defeated Perez-Cinciarelli and Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria Jr., who is also mayor of Bayonne. : : Smith, Perez-Cinciarelli and Doria were the candidates of the Hudson County Democratic Organization, and they're now in court trying to void the results. They allege voter fraud and illegal campaign spending. : : It may be a grasping at straws. It may be an attempt, as the Cunningham team charges, to "steal" an election through the courts that they couldn't win at the polls. Maybe the HCDO has a case. It spent more than $1 million on a losing campaign, so what's another $100,000 or so to go to court? : : But is it racism? : : In this case, Cunningham argues that the challenge involves the mostly African-American portion of the district. But racism's a charge Jersey City's first African-American mayor and his allies have never been shy of employing in the 11/2 years that Cunningham has been battling with the HCDO leadership. : : Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, has been a particular Cunningham target, but he has plenty of company. Even Gov. James E. McGreevey has been included because of his support of HCDO candidates and his subsequent refusal to intervene on behalf of Cunningham as the legal battle continues. : : Numerous other opponents, or people who just disagree with the mayor on issues, have been labeled as racist by the Cunningham camp - including this newspaper because it didn't endorse him for mayor two years ago or for Senate this year. African-Americans like Smith who oppose Cunningham are called traitors to their race. : : Is Smith any less African-American because he ran against Cunningham instead of supporting him? Why is dumping a Latina elected official in favor of an Italian-American male any less racially motivated than challenging Cunningham? : : If the results were overturned, wouldn't Smith and Perez-Cinciarelli be the beneficiaries? Would that be racism? : : It's also no small irony that Cunningham has surrounded himself with advisers who in the past he criticized for their attempts to thwart minority voters - and, in fact, were the principals in a municipal election campaign that led to civil rights complaints alleging attempts to suppress minority votes. The case cost an insurance firm some $600,000 to settle. : : Now that those people campaign for Cunningham, there's no mention by the administration of these past complaints. : : There are many reasons for the HCDO and Cunningham to be fighting - the desire to control patronage and contracts; the reluctance of most of the other mayors in the county to let any mayor of Jersey City of any color impose his will upon the county political apparatus; plain old ego. : : Cunningham maintains he wants only his fair share. The HCDO says it's willing to give him a fair share. What are the chances of agreeing on what is a fair share? Meanwhile, the invective goes on. : : There's no question that racism exists and should be exposed. But equating any or all anti-Cunningham sentiment or activity with racism is disingenuous, if not outright dishonest. : : : : ***************** End Of Article ****************** Baghdad On The Hudson posted Message 1061 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 08:31:03 Subject: HCDO feels enough questionable ballots will turn up to call the results into doubt . . . Javier Inclan, the HCDO's executive director, said most of the people on the list will undoubtedly check out as legitimate voters, but his organization feels enough questionable ballots will turn up to call the results into doubt. Inclan said so many names were submitted because the people checking on the signatures wrote down the name of anyone whose signature "looked a little bit off." Sources familiar with the challenge say the HCDO used volunteers - many from Bayonne and therefore not as familiar with the names of prominent Jersey City residents - to comb through the election books examining signatures. . . . ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 1062 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 08:52:44 Subject: EXTREME HEALTH CARE MANAGEMENT-GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER: Urban Times News Steven Glazer, E-mail: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** WARD Freedom posted Message 1063 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 09:32:57 Subject: WARD Freedom shall not be denied its rights Stop the HCDO JIm Crow Policies Diginity, Equality, and Freedom the people of Ward F demand the racist stop questioning our intent which was legally cast in a vote for Glenn Cunningham not the Corruption of the HCDO. Jim Crow Laws still being used against Ward F. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Outrage of Racism posted Message 1064 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 09:48:18 Subject: Nice White People contribute to Ward F's slavery Denial of the right to vote is a form of slavery nothing more or nothing less. After all these years the surface of a politically correct nice white world shows its evil side racism is slavery. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Refuse to contribute to the HCDO's slavery of Ward F posted Message 1065 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 09:51:41 Subject: Ward F needs to be freed from the corruption of the HCDO Stop the HCDO and their enslavement of Ward F. Plantation Politics are not acceptable. The price of Freedom is presenting those that love it a bill. Pay the bill of Freedom stop the HCDO's war against Ward F. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE TRUTH! posted Message 1066 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 11:21:32 Subject: Re: Ward F needs to be freed from the corruption of the HCDO THIS IS THE BIGGEST CROCK OF BULL. THE HCDO WERE THE GROUP WHO FOUND AND SUPPORTED CUNNINGHAM FOR MAYOR. THE HCDO ARE THE ONES WHO BROKE THE GLASS CEILING MAKING CUNNINGHAM THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN MAYOR IN THE HISTORY OF JERSEY CITY. HOW QUICKLY THEY FORGET THIS. THE HCDO MADE CUNNINGHAM, WITHOUT THEM DEGISE WOULD HAVE BEEN MAYOR. CUNNINGHAM USES THE RACE CARD FOR HIS PERSONNAL GAIN, END OF DISSCUSSION! ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE TRUTH posted Message 1067 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 11:22:59 Subject: Re: Nice White People contribute to Ward F's slavery SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT ...ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Why can't we all just get along? posted Message 1068 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 08, 2003 at 16:27:50 Subject: Unite do not divide The HCDO serves it purpose and fighting will not solve anything. We need to unite and stop fighting we are all Democrats the party of the big tent. We are many and may disagree but in the end we must unite. Well that is a load of bull HCDO stop the corruption or leave office. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Janis Joplin posted Message 1069 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 09, 2003 at 09:09:10 Subject: MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR! PEACE ***************** End Of Article ****************** Yeah Groovy Baby posted Message 1070 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 09, 2003 at 19:53:50 Subject: Re: MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR! Peace and love for all. : PEACE ***************** End Of Article ****************** JonBoy posted Message 1071 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 09, 2003 at 20:39:20 Subject: Imagine Imagine there´s no Heaven, it´s easy if you try. No Hell below us, above us only sky. Imagine all the people living for today. Imagine there´s no countries, it isn´t hard to do nothing to kill or die for and no religion, too. Imagine no possessions, I wonder if you can no need for greed or hunger, a brotherhood of man... ...sharing all the world. You may say I´m a dreamer, but I´m not the only one I hope someday you´ll join us and the world will be this one... ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1072 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 09, 2003 at 21:06:15 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** SAY SO LONG WE ARE NOT COMING BACK! posted Message 1073 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 09, 2003 at 23:01:17 Subject: TO ALL WHO VIEW THIS SITE Let me tell you all where it is at here on good old GETNJ. Today a few of us did a test to see where "A.O." head was. This is the results we posted words from peace songs sweet, nice, political peace songs( even checked with ASCAP to make sure no copy right infringements and yes,it was all okay.) The reason why this was done was to see if the Site owner whose name I will not post is objective or one sided. The posts, we did.."Imagine" by the Beatles "Give Peace a chance" etc. etc... were all deleted. Unlike the 3 people posting we all care very much about JC and want peace.You A.O. once did but you sold your soul and BTW I am a Schundler fan. Therefore, my goal is not to protect Cunningham or Menendez. So the outcome of our little test is this is just a one sided non-objective site. I am out of here and so are the 350 people who are on the neighborhood association’s mailing list. You see this conjured up by many to see if this was true. (yes a few people did not get the heads up so they would not let it out.) Therefore, as of this posting this site just lost a whole lot of Jersey City people. You own this site you pay for it and you do what you want...Your happy you had so many visitors well you just lost a chunk. Enjoy fighting with yourself we are all out of here….see ya! ***************** End Of Article ****************** S posted Message 1074 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 09, 2003 at 23:18:37 Subject: Re: Definition : rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm) : n. : The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. : Discrimination or prejudice based on race. CRYING RACISM FOR DEEPER POCKETS.. THATS PRICELESS! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1075 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 06:00:57 Subject: Re: TO ALL WHO VIEW THIS SITE All -- at least relatively sane and/or coherent -- points of view concerning Hudson County Politics are welcome . On the other hand, ALL OFF TOPIC POSTS WILL BE DELETED! The lyrics and titles of Beatles/ex-Beatle songs are good examples! Over 3,000 people (individuals, not hits) visit GET NJ every day. : Let me tell you all where it is at here on good old GETNJ. : Today a few of us did a test to see where "A.O." head was. : This is the results we posted words from peace songs sweet, nice, political peace songs( even checked with ASCAP to make sure no copy right infringements and yes,it was all okay.) : The reason why this was done was to see if the Site owner whose name I will not post is objective or one sided. The posts, we did.."Imagine" by the Beatles "Give Peace a chance" etc. etc... were all deleted. Unlike the 3 people posting we all care very much about JC and want peace.You A.O. once did but you sold your soul and BTW I am a Schundler fan. Therefore, my goal is not to protect Cunningham or Menendez. : So the outcome of our little test is this is just a one sided non-objective site. I am out of here and so are the 350 people who are on the neighborhood association’s mailing list. : You see this conjured up by many to see if this was true. (yes a few people did not get the heads up so they would not let it out.) : Therefore, as of this posting this site just lost a whole lot of Jersey City people. You own this site you pay for it and you do what you want...Your happy you had so many visitors well you just lost a chunk. : Enjoy fighting with yourself we are all out of here….see ya! : ***************** End Of Article ****************** Thanks For Hosting It posted Message 1076 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 07:40:09 Subject: I Enjoy This Site I truly enjoy this site ........ THANK YOU TO WHOEVER YOU ARE WHO CREATED IT. I don't know what the heck this jaded fool who made the original post is talking about. : Let me tell you all where it is at here on good old GETNJ. : Today a few of us did a test to see where "A.O." head was. : This is the results we posted words from peace songs sweet, nice, political peace songs( even checked with ASCAP to make sure no copy right infringements and yes,it was all okay.) : The reason why this was done was to see if the Site owner whose name I will not post is objective or one sided. The posts, we did.."Imagine" by the Beatles "Give Peace a chance" etc. etc... were all deleted. Unlike the 3 people posting we all care very much about JC and want peace.You A.O. once did but you sold your soul and BTW I am a Schundler fan. Therefore, my goal is not to protect Cunningham or Menendez. : So the outcome of our little test is this is just a one sided non-objective site. I am out of here and so are the 350 people who are on the neighborhood association’s mailing list. : You see this conjured up by many to see if this was true. (yes a few people did not get the heads up so they would not let it out.) : Therefore, as of this posting this site just lost a whole lot of Jersey City people. You own this site you pay for it and you do what you want...Your happy you had so many visitors well you just lost a chunk. : Enjoy fighting with yourself we are all out of here….see ya! : ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1077 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 08:44:06 Subject: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! My initial impression was that someone placed the first message as a lark, but that it was generating -- like graffiti -- more off topic posts. I was more than a little surprised to read the claim that this was some sort of stab at a coordinated effort. I'm still not quite sure, is SAY SO LONG WE ARE NOT COMING BACK! stating that this action was by (or on behalf of) a neighborhood organization? Is this a secret society? Why not identify yourself and your group? Were all of the 350 members asked to post here and only three did so? The purpose of this Message Board is to provide a vehicle so that people can express their opinions/observations (anonymously, if they so desire) on Hudson County Politics -- AND to be able to see what others think: a conversation. Anybody who attempts to flood the Board (in effect, denying others the opportunity to post), will find their messages deleted. By the way, my only agenda, as a resident of Jersey City, is that I want what's best for Jersey City. Below you'll find the VERBOTEN "thread." Let me know what you think: * * * Janis Joplin Dated : August 09, 2003 at 09:09:10 Subject: MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR! PEACE * * * Yeah Groovy Baby Dated : August 09, 2003 at 19:53:50 Subject: Re: MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR! Peace and love for all. : PEACE * * * JonBoy Dated : August 09, 2003 at 20:39:20 Subject: Imagine Imagine there´s no Heaven, it´s easy if you try. ... (More lyrics from John Lennon's song, "Imagine," appeared in the original. As I'm neither an attorney, nor in communication with licensing organizations, I'm following my understanding that it's not appropriate to reproduce the words of popular music. Editor.) : Let me tell you all where it is at here on good old GETNJ. : Today a few of us did a test to see where "A.O." head was. : This is the results we posted words from peace songs sweet, nice, political peace songs( even checked with ASCAP to make sure no copy right infringements and yes,it was all okay.) : The reason why this was done was to see if the Site owner whose name I will not post is objective or one sided. The posts, we did.."Imagine" by the Beatles "Give Peace a chance" etc. etc... were all deleted. Unlike the 3 people posting we all care very much about JC and want peace.You A.O. once did but you sold your soul and BTW I am a Schundler fan. Therefore, my goal is not to protect Cunningham or Menendez. : So the outcome of our little test is this is just a one sided non-objective site. I am out of here and so are the 350 people who are on the neighborhood association’s mailing list. : You see this conjured up by many to see if this was true. (yes a few people did not get the heads up so they would not let it out.) : Therefore, as of this posting this site just lost a whole lot of Jersey City people. You own this site you pay for it and you do what you want...Your happy you had so many visitors well you just lost a chunk. : Enjoy fighting with yourself we are all out of here….see ya! : ***************** End Of Article ****************** YOU DO THE MATH posted Message 1078 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 08:49:03 Subject: Re: TO ALL WHO VIEW THIS SITE 3000 people = Steven Glazer-965 times per day Martin Jackson- 203 times per day Stan Eason -423 times per day Bobby Jackson-15x- checking up on steven Glazer- Anthony 1394 times so he can tell the UTN "they like me...they really really like me!" YUP, I SEE HOW THAT HADS UP TO 3000 PEOPLE PER DAY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious posted Message 1079 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 08:54:19 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! Come on Anthony do you really think we are that stupid..You allow Steven Glazer to flood this forum sometimes 17 messages one after the other. Don't make this statement if you do not stand behind it. YOU SAId:.............to be able to see what others think: a conversation. Anybody who attempts to flood the Board (in effect, denying others the opportunity to post), will find their messages deleted. SO WHEN WILL YOU START LIVING BY THESE WORDS? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fair is fair posted Message 1080 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 09:23:55 Subject: Re: I Enjoy This Site Yes,I agree it truly is a great site. But, this forum has become the place to promote Bobby Jacksons agenda, making it not the views of the people but a tool to make more money for Bobby and Joe $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Getnj has the UTN hit you up for ads yet! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Example of the flooding that is allowed to stay posted. posted Message 1081 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 09:30:16 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! STOP THE EVIL OF RACISM STOP THE HCDO - GOD'S MESSENGER 09:19:39 08/03/03 (0) GOD WANTS YOU TO STOP THE EVIL OF CORRUPTION - GOD'S LOVE 09:18:14 08/03/03 (0) CUNNINGHAM IS GOD'S CANDIDATE - STOP CORRUPTION 09:16:56 08/03/03 (0) WE NEED TO STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT CUNNINGHAM - STOP CORRUPTION 09:15:31 08/03/03 (0) NO CORRUPTION HOPE OF A BETTER DAY - HOPE OF A BETTER DAY 09:14:10 08/03/03 (0) THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT - THIS IS BIGGER THAN ALL OF US 09:12:54 08/03/03 (0) MAY PEACE BE THE OUTCOME OF THIS FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION - PEACE TO THE PEOPLE OF HUDSON COUNTY 09:11:02 08/03/03 (0) HCDO WILL SELL THE ORGANIZATION TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER - FOR SALE CORRUPT POLITICAL ORGANIZATION 09:09:05 08/03/03 (0) GLENN CUNNINGHAM FOR GOVENOR - VICTIM OF CORRUPTION 09:07:19 08/03/03 (0) GROWTH SECTOR - STOP CORRUPTION 09:05:36 08/03/03 (0) LET YOUR FELLOW CORRUPTION PARTNERS DO YOUR TIME - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:02:22 08/03/03 (0) STING OPERATIONS ARE GROWING - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:00:52 08/03/03 (0) DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 08:58:22 08/03/03 (0) PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST FAMILY - DORIA CRYS FOWL 08:55:53 08/03/03 (0) ROBBED BY THE HCDO - THE POOR TAXPAYER ROBBED 08:54:07 08/03/03 (0) STOP FIDEL MENENDEZ - MENENDEZ THE EVIL BEHIND THE HCDO 08:52:40 08/03/03 (0) RODNEY - WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG 08:51:07 08/03/03 (0) I HAD A DREAM - I HAD A DREAM 08:49:31 08/03/03 (0) A PRAYER FOR ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION - TO ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION 08:48:01 08/03/03 (0) LOVE OF GOD, COUNTRY, AND FREEDOM - LOVE OF FREEDOM WILL RECALL THE HCDO 08:46:19 08/03/03 (0) THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES STOLEN BY CORRUPTION - THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES ROBBED BY CORRUPTION 08:44:31 08/03/03 (0) HOW CAN A PROPER SYSTEM OF EDUCATION BE PROVIDED - CHILDREN NEED A FUTURE THAT IS BEING ROBBED BY THE HCDO 08:41:37 08/03/03 (0) VICTIMS OF CRIME THE PEOPLE - JERSEY CITY VICTIM OF CRIME HCDO HAS MUGGED THE PEOPLE 08:39:28 08/03/03 (0) STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT GLENN CUNNINGHAM - STOPPING CORRUPTION IN HUDSON COUNTY 08:37:49 08/03/03 (0) AS STEVIES MOMMY STOP CORRUPTION - STEVIES MOMMY HATES CORRUPTION 08:36:14 08/03/03 (0) WHILE A RECALL MAY NOT HAPPEN BEFORE A TRIAL - RESTORE OUR DIGINITY RECALL 08:33:40 08/03/03 (0) IT IS WRONG TO STEAL FROM THE CITIZENS OF HUDSON COUNTY - NO IT IS NOT OK TO STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE 08:32:17 08/03/03 (0) HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM - HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM 07:38:49 08/03/03 (0) NO RECALL SEND THE POOR CRIMINALS A CARTON OF SMOKES - FORGET THE RECALL YOU CAN NOT RUN FOR OFFICE IN PRISON 07:35:32 08/03/03 (0) ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1082 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 09:58:27 Subject: HCDO Still Doesn't Get It! The 3000 figure is given as an average. The record is over 4,200 visitors in one day. And that's for GET NJ alone, not counting the dozens of subsidiary Sites. - - - Funny thing though, HCDO/HCDO candidates/the County, none of them bother to send me press releases, announcements, or media alerts. - - - The HCDO bunch still don't get it. I write what I see. The people of Jersey City look around them and vote on that basis. You'd think by now the HCDO would at least start to figger that their message doesn't pass the sniff test and needs the lysol treatment. Nah, nah, the HCDO is running a regular posy parade, right? The Urban Times News, now that's gotta be the problem! - - - And here's my observation for today guys. You're rowing as fast as you can up the proverbial creek. If you invalidate an election via legal pirouette, Hades is gonna send you one whopper of an invoice. And this one the DNC ain't gonna like. One possibility is Nader setting up shop on Jersey Avenue. From there, the Light Rail goes all through Greenville, Downtown and Hoboken. PATH/NYC subway give you the City. How will the history books write it? HCDO blighted the Democrats in the New York Metro area? And if you lose? A good slice of Bayonne got sliced off -- what's next? Glenn et al. still seem to think that the wagons are circled up in the Heights. Is that so? If you do a pub crawl here in the frosty north, what's everybody saying? Is the Urban Times News poisoning their minds, too! : 3000 people = Steven Glazer-965 times per day : Martin Jackson- 203 times per day : Stan Eason -423 times per day : Bobby Jackson-15x- checking up on steven Glazer- : Anthony 1394 times so he can tell the UTN "they like me...they really really like me!" : YUP, I SEE HOW THAT HADS UP TO 3000 PEOPLE PER DAY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1083 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 10:01:23 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! That individual's repetitive posts resulted in a 24 hour lock out for them -- and the current flooding policy. : : STOP THE EVIL OF RACISM STOP THE HCDO - GOD'S MESSENGER 09:19:39 08/03/03 (0) : GOD WANTS YOU TO STOP THE EVIL OF CORRUPTION - GOD'S LOVE 09:18:14 08/03/03 (0) : CUNNINGHAM IS GOD'S CANDIDATE - STOP CORRUPTION 09:16:56 08/03/03 (0) : WE NEED TO STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT CUNNINGHAM - STOP CORRUPTION 09:15:31 08/03/03 (0) : NO CORRUPTION HOPE OF A BETTER DAY - HOPE OF A BETTER DAY 09:14:10 08/03/03 (0) : THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT - THIS IS BIGGER THAN ALL OF US 09:12:54 08/03/03 (0) : MAY PEACE BE THE OUTCOME OF THIS FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION - PEACE TO THE PEOPLE OF HUDSON COUNTY 09:11:02 08/03/03 (0) : HCDO WILL SELL THE ORGANIZATION TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER - FOR SALE CORRUPT POLITICAL ORGANIZATION 09:09:05 08/03/03 (0) : GLENN CUNNINGHAM FOR GOVENOR - VICTIM OF CORRUPTION 09:07:19 08/03/03 (0) : GROWTH SECTOR - STOP CORRUPTION 09:05:36 08/03/03 (0) : LET YOUR FELLOW CORRUPTION PARTNERS DO YOUR TIME - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:02:22 08/03/03 (0) : STING OPERATIONS ARE GROWING - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:00:52 08/03/03 (0) : DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 08:58:22 08/03/03 (0) : PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST FAMILY - DORIA CRYS FOWL 08:55:53 08/03/03 (0) : ROBBED BY THE HCDO - THE POOR TAXPAYER ROBBED 08:54:07 08/03/03 (0) : STOP FIDEL MENENDEZ - MENENDEZ THE EVIL BEHIND THE HCDO 08:52:40 08/03/03 (0) : RODNEY - WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG 08:51:07 08/03/03 (0) : I HAD A DREAM - I HAD A DREAM 08:49:31 08/03/03 (0) : A PRAYER FOR ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION - TO ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION 08:48:01 08/03/03 (0) : LOVE OF GOD, COUNTRY, AND FREEDOM - LOVE OF FREEDOM WILL RECALL THE HCDO 08:46:19 08/03/03 (0) : THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES STOLEN BY CORRUPTION - THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES ROBBED BY CORRUPTION 08:44:31 08/03/03 (0) : HOW CAN A PROPER SYSTEM OF EDUCATION BE PROVIDED - CHILDREN NEED A FUTURE THAT IS BEING ROBBED BY THE HCDO 08:41:37 08/03/03 (0) : VICTIMS OF CRIME THE PEOPLE - JERSEY CITY VICTIM OF CRIME HCDO HAS MUGGED THE PEOPLE 08:39:28 08/03/03 (0) : STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT GLENN CUNNINGHAM - STOPPING CORRUPTION IN HUDSON COUNTY 08:37:49 08/03/03 (0) : AS STEVIES MOMMY STOP CORRUPTION - STEVIES MOMMY HATES CORRUPTION 08:36:14 08/03/03 (0) : WHILE A RECALL MAY NOT HAPPEN BEFORE A TRIAL - RESTORE OUR DIGINITY RECALL 08:33:40 08/03/03 (0) : IT IS WRONG TO STEAL FROM THE CITIZENS OF HUDSON COUNTY - NO IT IS NOT OK TO STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE 08:32:17 08/03/03 (0) : HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM - HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM 07:38:49 08/03/03 (0) : NO RECALL SEND THE POOR CRIMINALS A CARTON OF SMOKES - FORGET THE RECALL YOU CAN NOT RUN FOR OFFICE IN PRISON 07:35:32 08/03/03 (0) ***************** End Of Article ****************** In my opinion posted Message 1084 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 10:19:13 Subject: I am not an HCDOer GETNJ you have lost your objectivity. Look, we all know who you are and the relationship to Schundler you have the right to dislike the HCDO but, remember Glenn Cunningham and company were a huge part of Brett’s demise. Ask Brett’s people about the parking tickets they would get while campaigning…there is so much you are not aware of Getnj. They are using you. It is your site and I agree with the other poster, YOU OWN IT, YOU PAY FOR IT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT... As far as the election, recall. Let us leave it up to the courts. I am not going to take a side until the evidence is presented in court by lawyers not by reporters and people posting. I am not a supporter of the HCDO so I feel my opinion is objective. I am a democrat and I hate all of this garbage posted by either side. As far as the Urban Times do some background checking on how they obtained the paper….they took it from Al Cooper a sweet man who is to poor to fight them to get his paper back, they are not qualified to receive the types of ads they do run (theft by deception) that is why the Board of Ed. Pulled out! The editor Bobby Jackson and his side kick Joe Cardwell are long time scam artists who are raping the tax payers. I am sure somehow GETNJ will be their next victim. WATCH YOUR BACK GETNJ! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Downtown posted Message 1085 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 12:14:57 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! If you really did ban them for doing this I hope they will nottry to come in again to hurt the integrity of this forum. : That individual's repetitive posts resulted in a 24 hour lock out for them -- and the current flooding policy. : : : : STOP THE EVIL OF RACISM STOP THE HCDO - GOD'S MESSENGER 09:19:39 08/03/03 (0) : : GOD WANTS YOU TO STOP THE EVIL OF CORRUPTION - GOD'S LOVE 09:18:14 08/03/03 (0) : : CUNNINGHAM IS GOD'S CANDIDATE - STOP CORRUPTION 09:16:56 08/03/03 (0) : : WE NEED TO STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT CUNNINGHAM - STOP CORRUPTION 09:15:31 08/03/03 (0) : : NO CORRUPTION HOPE OF A BETTER DAY - HOPE OF A BETTER DAY 09:14:10 08/03/03 (0) : : THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT - THIS IS BIGGER THAN ALL OF US 09:12:54 08/03/03 (0) : : MAY PEACE BE THE OUTCOME OF THIS FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION - PEACE TO THE PEOPLE OF HUDSON COUNTY 09:11:02 08/03/03 (0) : : HCDO WILL SELL THE ORGANIZATION TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER - FOR SALE CORRUPT POLITICAL ORGANIZATION 09:09:05 08/03/03 (0) : : GLENN CUNNINGHAM FOR GOVENOR - VICTIM OF CORRUPTION 09:07:19 08/03/03 (0) : : GROWTH SECTOR - STOP CORRUPTION 09:05:36 08/03/03 (0) : : LET YOUR FELLOW CORRUPTION PARTNERS DO YOUR TIME - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:02:22 08/03/03 (0) : : STING OPERATIONS ARE GROWING - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:00:52 08/03/03 (0) : : DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 08:58:22 08/03/03 (0) : : PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST FAMILY - DORIA CRYS FOWL 08:55:53 08/03/03 (0) : : ROBBED BY THE HCDO - THE POOR TAXPAYER ROBBED 08:54:07 08/03/03 (0) : : STOP FIDEL MENENDEZ - MENENDEZ THE EVIL BEHIND THE HCDO 08:52:40 08/03/03 (0) : : RODNEY - WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG 08:51:07 08/03/03 (0) : : I HAD A DREAM - I HAD A DREAM 08:49:31 08/03/03 (0) : : A PRAYER FOR ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION - TO ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION 08:48:01 08/03/03 (0) : : LOVE OF GOD, COUNTRY, AND FREEDOM - LOVE OF FREEDOM WILL RECALL THE HCDO 08:46:19 08/03/03 (0) : : THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES STOLEN BY CORRUPTION - THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES ROBBED BY CORRUPTION 08:44:31 08/03/03 (0) : : HOW CAN A PROPER SYSTEM OF EDUCATION BE PROVIDED - CHILDREN NEED A FUTURE THAT IS BEING ROBBED BY THE HCDO 08:41:37 08/03/03 (0) : : VICTIMS OF CRIME THE PEOPLE - JERSEY CITY VICTIM OF CRIME HCDO HAS MUGGED THE PEOPLE 08:39:28 08/03/03 (0) : : STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT GLENN CUNNINGHAM - STOPPING CORRUPTION IN HUDSON COUNTY 08:37:49 08/03/03 (0) : : AS STEVIES MOMMY STOP CORRUPTION - STEVIES MOMMY HATES CORRUPTION 08:36:14 08/03/03 (0) : : WHILE A RECALL MAY NOT HAPPEN BEFORE A TRIAL - RESTORE OUR DIGINITY RECALL 08:33:40 08/03/03 (0) : : IT IS WRONG TO STEAL FROM THE CITIZENS OF HUDSON COUNTY - NO IT IS NOT OK TO STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE 08:32:17 08/03/03 (0) : : HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM - HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM 07:38:49 08/03/03 (0) : : NO RECALL SEND THE POOR CRIMINALS A CARTON OF SMOKES - FORGET THE RECALL YOU CAN NOT RUN FOR OFFICE IN PRISON 07:35:32 08/03/03 (0) ***************** End Of Article ****************** By the sea posted Message 1086 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 12:29:44 Subject: Re: TO ALL WHO VIEW THIS SITE Stop trying to make Schundler into the ghost of Christmas past or something! Everybody at both 280 Grove and 595 Newark Ave knows that for over a year now Menendez has been begging Schundler to run for mayor again. The congressman guessed all along that only Bret can beat Glenn. And the county org big money buildup for Harvey sure didn't change anybody's mind to those facts. : Let me tell you all where it is at here on good old GETNJ. : Today a few of us did a test to see where "A.O." head was. : This is the results we posted words from peace songs sweet, nice, political peace songs( even checked with ASCAP to make sure no copy right infringements and yes,it was all okay.) : The reason why this was done was to see if the Site owner whose name I will not post is objective or one sided. The posts, we did.."Imagine" by the Beatles "Give Peace a chance" etc. etc... were all deleted. Unlike the 3 people posting we all care very much about JC and want peace.You A.O. once did but you sold your soul and BTW I am a Schundler fan. Therefore, my goal is not to protect Cunningham or Menendez. : So the outcome of our little test is this is just a one sided non-objective site. I am out of here and so are the 350 people who are on the neighborhood association’s mailing list. : You see this conjured up by many to see if this was true. (yes a few people did not get the heads up so they would not let it out.) : Therefore, as of this posting this site just lost a whole lot of Jersey City people. You own this site you pay for it and you do what you want...Your happy you had so many visitors well you just lost a chunk. : Enjoy fighting with yourself we are all out of here….see ya! : ***************** End Of Article ****************** patomelia posted Message 1087 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 12:40:42 Subject: Re: TO ALL WHO VIEW THIS SITE : Let me tell you all where it is at here on good old GETNJ. : Today a few of us did a test to see where "A.O." head was. : This is the results we posted words from peace songs sweet, nice, political peace songs( even checked with ASCAP to make sure no copy right infringements and yes,it was all okay.) : The reason why this was done was to see if the Site owner whose name I will not post is objective or one sided. The posts, we did.."Imagine" by the Beatles "Give Peace a chance" etc. etc... were all deleted. Unlike the 3 people posting we all care very much about JC and want peace.You A.O. once did but you sold your soul and BTW I am a Schundler fan. Therefore, my goal is not to protect Cunningham or Menendez. : So the outcome of our little test is this is just a one sided non-objective site. I am out of here and so are the 350 people who are on the neighborhood association’s mailing list. : You see this conjured up by many to see if this was true. (yes a few people did not get the heads up so they would not let it out.) : Therefore, as of this posting this site just lost a whole lot of Jersey City people. You own this site you pay for it and you do what you want...Your happy you had so many visitors well you just lost a chunk. : Enjoy fighting with yourself we are all out of here….see ya! : Not only doe's "AO" delete postings here, he puts that damn radio show on here!!! i think "AO" is evil...evil i say!!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** ProcterGamble posted Message 1088 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 12:48:42 Subject: Re: TO ALL WHO VIEW THIS SITE : : Let me tell you all where it is at here on good old GETNJ. : : Today a few of us did a test to see where "A.O." head was. : : This is the results we posted words from peace songs sweet, nice, political peace songs( even checked with ASCAP to make sure no copy right infringements and yes,it was all okay.) : : The reason why this was done was to see if the Site owner whose name I will not post is objective or one sided. The posts, we did.."Imagine" by the Beatles "Give Peace a chance" etc. etc... were all deleted. Unlike the 3 people posting we all care very much about JC and want peace.You A.O. once did but you sold your soul and BTW I am a Schundler fan. Therefore, my goal is not to protect Cunningham or Menendez. : : So the outcome of our little test is this is just a one sided non-objective site. I am out of here and so are the 350 people who are on the neighborhood association’s mailing list. : : You see this conjured up by many to see if this was true. (yes a few people did not get the heads up so they would not let it out.) : : Therefore, as of this posting this site just lost a whole lot of Jersey City people. You own this site you pay for it and you do what you want...Your happy you had so many visitors well you just lost a chunk. : : Enjoy fighting with yourself we are all out of here….see ya! : : : Not only doe's "AO" delete postings here, he puts that damn radio show on here!!! i think "AO" is evil...evil i say!!!!! Just check out those initials, thats ALPHA OMEGA. Probably the ANTI-CHRIST! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Downtown posted Message 1089 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 15:39:31 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! Then why did you allow their post to remain? In your previous post you said: AND to be able to see what others think: a conversation. Anybody who attempts to flood the Board (in effect, denying others the opportunity to post), will find their messages deleted. So why are the postings still up? : That individual's repetitive posts resulted in a 24 hour lock out for them -- and the current flooding policy. : : : : STOP THE EVIL OF RACISM STOP THE HCDO - GOD'S MESSENGER 09:19:39 08/03/03 (0) : : GOD WANTS YOU TO STOP THE EVIL OF CORRUPTION - GOD'S LOVE 09:18:14 08/03/03 (0) : : CUNNINGHAM IS GOD'S CANDIDATE - STOP CORRUPTION 09:16:56 08/03/03 (0) : : WE NEED TO STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT CUNNINGHAM - STOP CORRUPTION 09:15:31 08/03/03 (0) : : NO CORRUPTION HOPE OF A BETTER DAY - HOPE OF A BETTER DAY 09:14:10 08/03/03 (0) : : THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT - THIS IS BIGGER THAN ALL OF US 09:12:54 08/03/03 (0) : : MAY PEACE BE THE OUTCOME OF THIS FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION - PEACE TO THE PEOPLE OF HUDSON COUNTY 09:11:02 08/03/03 (0) : : HCDO WILL SELL THE ORGANIZATION TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER - FOR SALE CORRUPT POLITICAL ORGANIZATION 09:09:05 08/03/03 (0) : : GLENN CUNNINGHAM FOR GOVENOR - VICTIM OF CORRUPTION 09:07:19 08/03/03 (0) : : GROWTH SECTOR - STOP CORRUPTION 09:05:36 08/03/03 (0) : : LET YOUR FELLOW CORRUPTION PARTNERS DO YOUR TIME - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:02:22 08/03/03 (0) : : STING OPERATIONS ARE GROWING - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 09:00:52 08/03/03 (0) : : DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION - WEAR THE WIRE AND RETIRE 08:58:22 08/03/03 (0) : : PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST FAMILY - DORIA CRYS FOWL 08:55:53 08/03/03 (0) : : ROBBED BY THE HCDO - THE POOR TAXPAYER ROBBED 08:54:07 08/03/03 (0) : : STOP FIDEL MENENDEZ - MENENDEZ THE EVIL BEHIND THE HCDO 08:52:40 08/03/03 (0) : : RODNEY - WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG 08:51:07 08/03/03 (0) : : I HAD A DREAM - I HAD A DREAM 08:49:31 08/03/03 (0) : : A PRAYER FOR ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION - TO ALL THOSE THAT SUFFER FROM CORRUPTION 08:48:01 08/03/03 (0) : : LOVE OF GOD, COUNTRY, AND FREEDOM - LOVE OF FREEDOM WILL RECALL THE HCDO 08:46:19 08/03/03 (0) : : THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES STOLEN BY CORRUPTION - THE ELDERLY NEED THE SERVICES ROBBED BY CORRUPTION 08:44:31 08/03/03 (0) : : HOW CAN A PROPER SYSTEM OF EDUCATION BE PROVIDED - CHILDREN NEED A FUTURE THAT IS BEING ROBBED BY THE HCDO 08:41:37 08/03/03 (0) : : VICTIMS OF CRIME THE PEOPLE - JERSEY CITY VICTIM OF CRIME HCDO HAS MUGGED THE PEOPLE 08:39:28 08/03/03 (0) : : STOP CORRUPTION SUPPORT GLENN CUNNINGHAM - STOPPING CORRUPTION IN HUDSON COUNTY 08:37:49 08/03/03 (0) : : AS STEVIES MOMMY STOP CORRUPTION - STEVIES MOMMY HATES CORRUPTION 08:36:14 08/03/03 (0) : : WHILE A RECALL MAY NOT HAPPEN BEFORE A TRIAL - RESTORE OUR DIGINITY RECALL 08:33:40 08/03/03 (0) : : IT IS WRONG TO STEAL FROM THE CITIZENS OF HUDSON COUNTY - NO IT IS NOT OK TO STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE 08:32:17 08/03/03 (0) : : HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM - HCDO OUTRAGE OF RACISM 07:38:49 08/03/03 (0) : : NO RECALL SEND THE POOR CRIMINALS A CARTON OF SMOKES - FORGET THE RECALL YOU CAN NOT RUN FOR OFFICE IN PRISON 07:35:32 08/03/03 (0) ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1090 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 16:55:24 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1091 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 17:01:10 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1092 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 17:05:34 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1093 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 17:14:12 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WOOLLY BULLY posted Message 1094 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 18:05:10 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! DOWNTOWN YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR ANSWER. HE WAS HERE(THE FORUM HOST) AT 5:14 PM. IF HE ANSWERS YOUR POST HE WILL HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DELETE IT. HE WILL CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE QUESTION AND KEEP THE FLOODED POSTINGS UP. THE REASON HE IS AS MUCH OF THE PROBLEM AS THE GUY FROM THE UTN. ***************** End Of Article ****************** OUTRAGE OF RACISM BY ONE OF OUR OWN posted Message 1095 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 10, 2003 at 21:49:34 Subject: Re: Ward F needs to be freed from the corruption of the UTN! : Stop the UTN and their enslavement of Ward F. Plantation Politics are not acceptable. The price of Freedom is presenting those that love it a bill. Pay the bill of Freedom stop the UTN's war against Ward F. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Just looking posted Message 1096 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 08:04:57 Subject: MAGGIE DOYLE I'm looking at my water bill here with the high cost color throwaway flier. It say's that MAGGIE DOYLE is the Vice-Chairwoman of the MUA. What's that supposed to mean? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Browser posted Message 1097 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 08:48:38 Subject: McCann in NYC Back in the first round when he was mayor was Gerry ever like an overnight guest of the city of New York? ***************** End Of Article ****************** INSIDER posted Message 1098 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 10:20:25 Subject: Re: MAGGIE DOYLE : I'm looking at my water bill here with the high cost color throwaway flier. : It say's that MAGGIE DOYLE is the Vice-Chairwoman of the MUA. What's that supposed to mean? how cares about maggie...she is a drunk and a political hack. SHE IS FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER...SHE IS A USELESS. ***************** End Of Article ****************** INSIDER posted Message 1099 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 10:21:42 Subject: Re: McCann in NYC : Back in the first round when he was mayor was Gerry ever like an overnight guest of the city of New York? WELL IF YOU KNOW ....SPIT IT OUT ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dreamer posted Message 1100 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 11:32:48 Subject: Re: McCann in NYC : : Back in the first round when he was mayor was Gerry ever like an overnight guest of the city of New York? : WELL IF YOU KNOW ....SPIT IT OUT Who cares and what difference does it make? What if he was? What if he wasn't? Find something better to wank with...wanker ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dreamer posted Message 1101 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 11:34:59 Subject: Re: MAGGIE DOYLE : : I'm looking at my water bill here with the high cost color throwaway flier. : : It say's that MAGGIE DOYLE is the Vice-Chairwoman of the MUA. What's that supposed to mean? : : how cares about maggie...she is a drunk and a political hack. : SHE IS FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER...SHE IS A USELESS. She is a great lady with heart, and stones bigger than most men. More than we can say for you, sniping from ambush. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dreamer posted Message 1102 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 11:36:51 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! : DOWNTOWN YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR ANSWER. : HE WAS HERE(THE FORUM HOST) AT 5:14 PM. : IF HE ANSWERS YOUR POST HE WILL HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DELETE IT. : HE WILL CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE QUESTION AND KEEP THE FLOODED POSTINGS UP. : THE REASON HE IS AS MUCH OF THE PROBLEM AS THE GUY FROM THE UTN. Problem in what way and to whom, and according to whom? Whom the hell are you to say, Pinky. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dreamcast posted Message 1103 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 11:43:42 Subject: Re: MAGGIE DOYLE : : : I'm looking at my water bill here with the high cost color throwaway flier. : : : It say's that MAGGIE DOYLE is the Vice-Chairwoman of the MUA. What's that supposed to mean? : : : : how cares about maggie...she is a drunk and a political hack. : : SHE IS FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER...SHE IS A USELESS. : She is a great lady with heart, and stones bigger than most men. More than we can say for you, sniping from ambush. Sounds like you may like her Steve. Why don't you go out for a drink. You two should hit it off real well..Two drunks!Two peas in a pod! Both losers!I heard there is two for one sale at A.A. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN is a toxic dump. posted Message 1104 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 11:55:38 Subject: Re: MAGGIE DOYLE : : : : I'm looking at my water bill here with the high cost color throwaway flier. : : : : It say's that MAGGIE DOYLE is the Vice-Chairwoman of the MUA. What's that supposed to mean? : : : : : : how cares about maggie...she is a drunk and a political hack. : : : SHE IS FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER...SHE IS A USELESS. : : She is a great lady with heart, and stones bigger than most men. More than we can say for you, sniping from ambush. : Sounds like you may like her Steve. : Why don't you go out for a drink. : You two should hit it off real well..Two drunks!Two peas in a pod! Both losers!I heard there is two for one sale at A.A. Don't insulte Maggie that way by using her name inthe same sentance with Glazer , she isn't a bad person just had some hard times. She has come along way and all it is is a job. ***************** End Of Article ****************** A word to the wise. posted Message 1105 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 12:03:27 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! : : DOWNTOWN YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR ANSWER. : : HE WAS HERE(THE FORUM HOST) AT 5:14 PM. : : IF HE ANSWERS YOUR POST HE WILL HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DELETE IT. : : HE WILL CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE QUESTION AND KEEP THE FLOODED POSTINGS UP. : : THE REASON HE IS AS MUCH OF THE PROBLEM AS THE GUY FROM THE UTN. : Problem in what way and to whom, and according to whom? Whom the hell are you to say, Pinky. Hey Glazer, why don't you try to hurt Pinky like you do everyone else and watch and see how quickly the friends you think you have will turn on you. Go ahead try it and see what happens. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Auld lang syne posted Message 1106 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 12:58:22 Subject: Re: McCann in NYC : Back in the first round when he was mayor was Gerry ever like an overnight guest of the city of New York? It's like ancient history but the rumor was that with a snootful of the best that Scotland has to offer, Gerry attempted to get shall we say a little better than a first name basis with a waitress. Not impressed that he was a CPA, the young lady refused. and some sort of turmoil ensued. Enter stage left the NYC police. Story goes that then NYC Mayor Ed Koch was brought in for the final call. Seems that the pretty Miss insisted on pressing charges. Koch agreed with her that no pity should be wasted on Gerry, but think of his wife and the people of Jersey City. They've got to put up with the guy every day. Do you want that they should have to bear even yet more suffering. Staggered at the thought of a daily dose of McCann, she agreed to just forget about the whole thing. It ended with Gerry being treated to a supervised slumber and a ride home the next day. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Your good! posted Message 1107 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 13:11:54 Subject: Re: McCann in NYC Dang! Where do you find that ..I love it! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woolly Bully posted Message 1108 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 13:21:02 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT GLAZER! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 1109 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 13:57:11 Subject: Re: READ THE FORBIDDEN POSTS!!! Now, now, kids! Let us all try to act like good little boys and girls. : SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT GLAZER! ***************** End Of Article ****************** CC Productions posted Message 1110 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 14:16:18 Subject: Break Into A New Career In THE MOVIES! Stand outside of 54 Washburn Street. You'll be filmed. . . ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dreamer posted Message 1111 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 14:29:32 Subject: Cloudy Here This Morning Aint no sunshine... ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1112 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 16:11:00 Subject: Tonites topics 4 injured at Foxes in JC how long with the City let this place operate? County says no to McCann petitions DUH. future of the old Med Center with guests Lipski and Holoway, credit reports tobe used for auto insurance risk rates? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1113 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 17:01:18 Subject: Corruption in the Era of John V. Kenny This is a new feature -- lots more will be added! Please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** JollyReaper posted Message 1114 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 21:02:21 Subject: Funniest thing I can remember McCann was Mayor during that happy first goround. It was the public speaking portion of a Council meeting. Some obese character is yelling and hollering about how bad the EMS ambulance service is, of all things. The guy actually works himself into a frenzy and keels over with a heart attack right at the mike. Somebody dials 911 and an ambulance show up like immediately. They get the guy stabilized and on a stretcher. Just as they are about to wheel him out, McCann, in front of the entire public and the Council walks over to the guy stretched out. Gerry gets right in his face and yells loud enough to be heard up at Journal Square, "I'd like to hear you say something bad about the EMS NOW, you fat F#$*K!" : : Back in the first round when he was mayor was Gerry ever like an overnight guest of the city of New York? : It's like ancient history but the rumor was that with a snootful of the best that Scotland has to offer, Gerry attempted to get shall we say a little better than a first name basis with a waitress. Not impressed that he was a CPA, the young lady refused. and some sort of turmoil ensued. : Enter stage left the NYC police. : Story goes that then NYC Mayor Ed Koch was brought in for the final call. Seems that the pretty Miss insisted on pressing charges. Koch agreed with her that no pity should be wasted on Gerry, but think of his wife and the people of Jersey City. They've got to put up with the guy every day. Do you want that they should have to bear even yet more suffering. Staggered at the thought of a daily dose of McCann, she agreed to just forget about the whole thing. : It ended with Gerry being treated to a supervised slumber and a ride home the next day. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Looks like a Communist Rally or their Democrats posted Message 1115 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 21:42:53 Subject: Re: Corruption in the Era of John V. Kenny Well we now know that the legacy of pigdom goes way back. However this does not remove the stain from our fair County created by the HCDO is it possible to just say I hate them for being crooks that get away with it. I wonder do we need to dress up a pig give it a history to know it is a flithy animal. This Kenny smells as bad as the one we have now. Eventually we will not have multigenerational corruption the odds are if you engage in the act of blanking the public you will eventually contract some type of STD. : This is a new feature -- lots more will be added! : Please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Danger there are HCDO people at the polling place posted Message 1116 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 21:46:31 Subject: Bayonnes volunteer army of poll watchers How does the a group from Bayonne expect anyone to believe they would watch a poll with any type of truthfulness. The mob runs Bayonnes elections and pays for the volunteers. So now that we have cleared the air that Bayonne is bought and paid for by the thugs lets flush the Doritto Banditos toilet. Down with the HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** When shes gone posted Message 1117 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 21:47:16 Subject: Re: Cloudy Here This Morning : Aint no sunshine... ***************** End Of Article ****************** McCann is the greatest guy posted Message 1118 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 21:54:55 Subject: Re: McCann in NYC Once I had a hole in my shoe and it was snowing I was standing in a lobby waiting for an interview I did not have a job. I ran into Mc Cann he noticed that the shoe looked odd. The next day I recieved a letter with enough to buy a good pair of shoes I know it was Mc Cann. That same year during Christmass he helped with presents out of work with kids a life time ago. Mc Cann is a great man a little crazy but the good kind real good. He never asked for anything in return he always refused anything even to buy him a drink. : Back in the first round when he was mayor was Gerry ever like an overnight guest of the city of New York? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lets go to the tape posted Message 1119 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 11, 2003 at 23:56:09 Subject: Re: Break Into A New Career In THE MOVIES! Is this the same production company that has the tapes of Glenn Cunningham in the upstairs room of that certain adult club with that cetain blonde here in JC? If it is they do great work! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hmmmmmmmmm posted Message 1120 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 12, 2003 at 00:31:55 Subject: Re: McCann in NYC And my name is ............... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Not Just Hudson County the Democrats are lost Nationally posted Message 1121 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 12, 2003 at 02:35:30 Subject: Democrats are over with maybe the Green Party Both locally and nationally the Democratic Parties elected officials have violated the public trust who amoung us would deny that the Democrats big tent has subverted this nations ability to defend itself. Is there a plot or should they be called the Suicide Party since they tend to hang them selves. Why would they allow corruption from the inside outas is the case with the HCDO. The most interesting thing is all Democratic Organizations are suspect across this nation. ***************** End Of Article ****************** REPUBLICAN posted Message 1122 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 12, 2003 at 03:34:55 Subject: www.munozforassembly.com www.munozforassembly.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Kettle Is Black posted Message 1123 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 12, 2003 at 08:09:45 Subject: Re: Corruption in the Era of John V. Kenny It's great when the Utn conjures ghosts from the past to attack Bernie Kenny's Dad considering the fact that Glenn doesn't know who his dad is. Neither do his kids for that matter as he has never acknowledged or supported them. : Well we now know that the legacy of pigdom goes way back. However this does not remove the stain from our fair County created by the HCDO is it possible to just say I hate them for being crooks that get away with it. I wonder do we need to dress up a pig give it a history to know it is a flithy animal. This Kenny smells as bad as the one we have now. Eventually we will not have multigenerational corruption the odds are if you engage in the act of blanking the public you will eventually contract some type of STD. : : : This is a new feature -- lots more will be added! : : Please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Like Father Like Son posted Message 1124 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 12, 2003 at 09:50:27 Subject: Bernie Kenny Just As Corrupt as His Dad Bernard Kenny - Our Current State Senator and County Chariman must have inherited all of his Fathers tricks and added a few of his own. We have all heard of "welfare generations" Bernie Kenny is living proof of being a product of a "Corruption Generation" I read recently that Bernie Kenny got the State of New Jersey to use public funds inorder to pay for a football field for the private school his son goes to. This was total misuse of State Tax Dollars - Kenny could care less - he did it for his kid. UNBELIEVABLE........ I guess Bernie is showing the little kid the ropes. What a disgrace ! ! ! WHEN WILL THIS COME TO AN END ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GONE WITH THE WIND! posted Message 1125 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 12, 2003 at 10:04:07 Subject: Re: Bernie Kenny Just As Corrupt as His Dad : Bernard Kenny - Our Current State Senator and County Chariman must have inherited all of his Fathers tricks and added a few of his own. : : We have all heard of "welfare generations" Bernie Kenny is living proof of being a product of a "Corruption Generation" : I read recently that Bernie Kenny got the State of New Jersey to use public funds inorder to pay for a football field for the private school his son goes to. This was total misuse of State Tax Dollars - Kenny could care less - he did it for his kid. UNBELIEVABLE........ I guess Bernie is showing the little kid the ropes. : What a disgrace ! ! ! : WHEN WILL THIS COME TO AN END ? St. Peter's Prep got a quarter million AND Seton Hall Prep got another quarter million. See the linked article to learn more: ***************** End Of Article ****************** Poor out of work but still lust for justice posted Message 1126 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 12, 2003 at 18:57:49 Subject: No Matter how Hungry I get I still need the air to be free Truth Justice and the American Way equal access under the law stop the corruption. Imagine if all the resources allocated to the people where actually used the right way. Well the way to fix that is get rid of Menendez, Doritto bandito, Mc Grafty the clown and others. Or they could be good sports about it and leave town take the next bus out. I only hope that I live to see a day when a whole group of folks run the show the right way. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Angel's legacy posted Message 1127 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 13, 2003 at 09:22:09 Subject: Decay an infection of evil Angel Castro y Argiz immigrant laborer from Galicia, Spain was commanded to leave Spain for acts intolerable by a decent society he was gay and an opium addict. Angel made his way to Cuba where he amassed a fortune importing opium for tourist. Angel also befriended a household servant/prostitute Lina Ruz Gonzalez who's children where accredited to Angel although all of them would have a questionable patrimony. The children accredited to Angel Castro y Argiz are Fidel Castro and Raul Castro. The secret can finally be told Fidel Castro is a total bastard so should his true name should be Fidel Who? As freedom from despots like Fidel Who goes on it is important to remember that Fidel Who carried on the family business as a drug importer and exporter. The man that did not know his true father was also subjected to molestation by his mother frequent clients and his in name only father. Despots are created by sick people infecting other sick people HCDO stop infecting us all with your corruption it leads to decay and the death of society. We are the creators of evil and small acts of evil add on to other acts. The balance of good versus evil must be established in Hudson County unless we want to be ruled by the evil that rules Cuba now. Goodness is a choice of the Free by making evil a choice your freedom is removed until there is no more. Fidel Castro is trully the creation of evil. The HCDO can stop before it goes to far. Evil is a force one that must be fought daily. The only choice evil affords is decay Goodness brings freedom to choose. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hypocrite posted Message 1128 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 13, 2003 at 12:44:39 Subject: Re: Bernie Kenny Just As Corrupt as His Dad : Bernard Kenny - Our Current State Senator and County Chariman must have inherited all of his Fathers tricks and added a few of his own. : : We have all heard of "welfare generations" Bernie Kenny is living proof of being a product of a "Corruption Generation" : I read recently that Bernie Kenny got the State of New Jersey to use public funds inorder to pay for a football field for the private school his son goes to. This was total misuse of State Tax Dollars - Kenny could care less - he did it for his kid. UNBELIEVABLE........ I guess Bernie is showing the little kid the ropes. : What a disgrace ! ! ! : WHEN WILL THIS COME TO AN END ? Isn't it just great that Glenn's little butt boy fires shots at a guys Dad over an event that happened 40 years ago when the Mayor neither acknowledges or supports his own kids. As a matter of fact butt boy Glazer doesn't tuck his kids each night either, do you Steve. Absentee was kicked out a long time ago. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 3rd Party posted Message 1129 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 13, 2003 at 19:30:39 Subject: JC Needs a third party Corruption running rampant on both sides of the democratic party, one side playing the race card in a moronic fashion the other side is just playing the little rascals. Lets get things done here for JC not for whomever your buddy is at the moment. I will never vote republican but you guys are making it hard for me to vote for any of you weasels. let make a slash and burn policy for the politicians of JC or for hudson county while we are at it, lets take them all out and start over with people who have nothing to gain (or with who have friends with nothing to gain) in city hall. I'll bet you that every politician in JC has their hands dirty. The Machine is still going. ***************** End Of Article ****************** This has nothing to do with racism it has to do with the law! posted Message 1130 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 13, 2003 at 23:07:01 Subject: Attorney General weighs in ..................... Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm ***************** End Of Article ****************** dude posted Message 1131 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:23:20 Subject: Re: JC Needs a third party This is the more stupid thing I ever heard. So you never will vote for republicans but you will vote for the crook politicians in Hudson county that are member of the dem party. For your Info, Mayor Robinson from Hoboken, was a republican, Albio Sires, the speaker of the house was a republican. Brian Stack from Union City, was a republican. So you vote for party affiliation and not for candidate? that is the reason hudson county is down hill. Any crook shows the dem flag and people vote for him. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Who is he? posted Message 1132 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:41:12 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... : Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria : In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. : Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm ***************** End Of Article ****************** What's he got to do with it? posted Message 1133 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:41:52 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... : : Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria : : In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. : : Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm ***************** End Of Article ****************** Who asked him? posted Message 1134 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:42:53 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... : : : Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria : : : In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. : : : Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm This is not the job of this clown. He cannot do his own. ***************** End Of Article ****************** None of his business posted Message 1135 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:43:58 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... : : : : Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria : : : : In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. : : : : Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) : : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm : : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm : This is not the job of this clown. He cannot do his own. He has no business. Political hack loser... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Carries no weight posted Message 1136 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:45:12 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... : : : : : Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria : : : : : In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. : : : : : Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) : : : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm : : : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm : : This is not the job of this clown. He cannot do his own. : He has no business. Political hack loser... FOOL. Go shoot yourself in your other foot. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Race card delivered by errand boy posted Message 1137 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:47:11 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... : : : : : : Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria : : : : : : In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. : : : : : : Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) : : : : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm : : : : : : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm : : : This is not the job of this clown. He cannot do his own. : : He has no business. Political hack loser... : FOOL. Go shoot yourself in your other foot. This is a trump, like Uncle Harvey. AG has no business in this affair. This is a matter for the courts. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Then, why Uncle Peter to deliver the news? posted Message 1138 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 11:48:13 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... : Attorney General weighs in on behalf of Doria : In Attorney General Peter Harvey said today that breaking state campaign finance laws is grounds for a contest to the election under New Jersey election laws. Assembly incumbents Joe Doria and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli and Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith, who lost the June 3 Democratic primary, are seeking to have the winners -- Senate candidate Glenn Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- tossed from the general election ballot. : Superior Court Judge Arthur D'Italia is currently considering a motion to the dismiss the case, which is scheduled for trial on August 25. Click here to read the Attorney General's letter to Judge D'Italia. | Click here to view the legal brief filed by Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli. (08/13/03) : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_AG081303.htm : http://www.politicsnj.com/31stdistrict_challenge_brief2003.htm ***************** End Of Article ****************** IN THE DARK posted Message 1139 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 18:12:02 Subject: HCDO IS THE CAUSE OF POWER OUTAGES Why not ...they are blaimed for everything else! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ston Earson posted Message 1140 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 18:33:59 Subject: Press Release August 14,, 2003 For Immediate Release Contact: Ston H. Earson 201-671-3130 “It’s all their fault I tell you all their fault” JERSEY CITY- As the November election approaches, the District 31st Senate and Assembly primary winners will urge local and state democratic organizations in a Friday Aug 16th, 2003 news conference at City Hall to unite and show their support. Senate democratic nominee, Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, flanked by assemblymen nominees, Lou Manzo and Anthony Chiappone, will call upon state’s democratic leaders to blame the HCDO for the recent power failure that swept the nation. It’s all part of the master plan. They want to take over the State, The Nation ,the World! Cunningham, Manzo and Chiappone will be on hand to speak and answer questions./ ***************** End Of Article ****************** In the dark posted Message 1141 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 20:09:58 Subject: Re: HCDO IS THE CAUSE OF POWER OUTAGES I even blame them for spelling "blaimed" wrong, ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOL posted Message 1142 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:37:27 Subject: Re: Press Release This is very funny ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cunningham thinks he is the only black man.... posted Message 1143 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:39:56 Subject: Re: Attorney General weighs in ..................... Just like the Cunningham crew shout racism. The AG is black folks so now he is "UNCLE PETER"? This is getting old UTN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN posted Message 1144 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:41:04 Subject: Hi Glazer YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN=NUT posted Message 1145 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:41:50 Subject: HI GLAZER :YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN=NUT posted Message 1146 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:41:57 Subject: HI GLAZER :YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN=NUT posted Message 1147 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:42:51 Subject: HI GLAZER YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN=NUT posted Message 1148 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:43:47 Subject: HI GLAZER YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN=NUT posted Message 1149 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:44:30 Subject: HI GLAZER YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UTN=NUT posted Message 1150 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 21:45:17 Subject: HI GLAZER YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** hahahahahhahahha posted Message 1151 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 22:21:37 Subject: McCAN'T yeah Baby! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lets get the Canadians posted Message 1152 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 23:15:00 Subject: Canadian Terrorist Network This probe conducted by a Canadian based terrorist cell has been supported by the Canadian Government. Canada is a threat to your life fire all Canadian workers send them home and do not under any circumstances use maple syrup. Canada the Hockey Puck Terror support group has emerged in the black out as the real enemy of the US. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Those dang Yankees posted Message 1153 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 14, 2003 at 23:40:46 Subject: Re: Canadian Terrorist Network I am sure by morning the Urban Times News and Stan Eason will say it is an HCDO conspiracy with the Canadians. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Blackouts equal lost records posted Message 1154 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 09:57:30 Subject: Ward F election results lost in the Blackout I love the smell of conspiracy in the AM it smells like victory how many votes and records of votes where lost in the Blackout dimes to donuts the HCDO has orchestrated the loss of the all the Ward F voting records for the Democratic Candidate for State Senator. Imagine that I’m predicting it before they announce it maybe I’m even giving them an idea. Blackouts equal lost records of all sorts how do we live with that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** The HCDO Conspiracy Theory. posted Message 1155 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 11:33:42 Subject: Re: Ward F election results lost in the Blackout Boy o'boy those bad , bad, HCDO people causing half the largest Blackout in history just to win an election. Next weeks UTN headlines "HCDO STOPS AFRICAN AMERICANS FROM VOTING BY CUTTING OFF THEIR JUICE" ***************** End Of Article ****************** Beach Bum posted Message 1156 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 21:15:57 Subject: HCDO Beach Party Beach Party featuring Doria in a thong. Imagine all three hundred pound of that fat ginzo on some beach. Of course his sisters the nuns would be there making false records for the next election. Screw Doria f***kin Ginny Bastard. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Doria in a thong posted Message 1157 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 21:18:20 Subject: Re: HCDO Beach Party Doria looks good in a thong especially when he shaves his ass. : Beach Party featuring Doria in a thong. Imagine all three hundred pound of that fat ginzo on some beach. Of course his sisters the nuns would be there making false records for the next election. Screw Doria f***kin Ginny Bastard. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Nuns in thongs posted Message 1158 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 21:20:02 Subject: Re: HCDO Beach Party I hope the nuns go topless. : Doria looks good in a thong especially when he shaves his ass. : : Beach Party featuring Doria in a thong. Imagine all three hundred pound of that fat ginzo on some beach. Of course his sisters the nuns would be there making false records for the next election. Screw Doria f***kin Ginny Bastard. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Doria's Proctologist posted Message 1159 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 21:24:50 Subject: I cannot get the stick out Doctor Vinny Goombast has announced that the rather large stick locted in the rear of Doria cannot be removed causing him to he full of it. We only hope he does not explode from the build up. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1160 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 21:24:59 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1161 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 21:33:37 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bayonne posted Message 1162 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:20:05 Subject: Agricultural Development for Bayonne Considering the greed and unbridled feeding habits of the Bayonne politician Doria it is surprising to see a lack of Hog Farms in Bayonne. The elighten elctorate of Bayonne would then have a choice of equals either Doria or a hog. Mr. Doria I hear banjo's a strumming the theme from Deliverance coming from the cell you will share with Billybo the man lover. It is at this point in time you may squeel like a hog. If Doria where playing Monopoly his card would read Go To Jail Go Directly to Jail. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lover of Liberty posted Message 1163 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:27:55 Subject: Objectivity and the need for a clear unified voice Democrats unite do not divide these differences will cost us the important agenda item keeping the Republicans out of office. While Cunnigham is my choice and my post to this board have been well over the top I believe that unity is more important than Cunningham and he would agree as well since his service has been of great value to the party. So all the arguments aside lets make peace and defeat the Republicans. Hudson County can live with many different types of Democrats from liberal to conservative, black and white lets find the middle road towards progress. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Peace for the Party's sake posted Message 1164 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:34:05 Subject: Cunningham should resign from office Since the vote is invalid and the Party will not support Cunningham his resignation should be tendered. Granted this is not fair but what is in this day and age. So the HCDO wins and gets their candidate whats the big deal. Glenn Cunningham attempted to change a system using legal means but even that was not good enough so it is time to throw the towel in and walk away rebuild the party and confront the Republicans. There is no hope of Cunningham winning against the HCDO and the Republicans are a poor second choice. The dream of every voter being counted has died but there is another day maybe next time. Sorry to say but the truth and playing by the rules was not good enough in the end. We are all left smaller and less than by this event. We still have hope perhaps another election a fair one. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jersey City should shut down for good posted Message 1165 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:37:28 Subject: Invalid Government Jersey City should be merged into another city because its votes do not count. The will of the electorate has been rendered void. Since the people desire some form of government and the Jersey City Government is held invalid lets see if we can formulate a merger whereby Jersey City residents get some governement. Perhaps begging the HCDO for a government would work they may allow us our rights. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hunger, Angry, Lonely, and Tired posted Message 1166 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:44:29 Subject: Great expectations Well I give up what makes it work is the answer they have won and beat us where we stand. No vote cast is valid. So why vote why care they will continue to steal lie and cheat and we get nothing in return. All hope is lost a quite realization of our place our lot in life. Perhaps it is not racist but I feel less than lower than and all together oppressed. Maybe its just me. I must be an idiot to have born black maybe I can get a procedure to change my color? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Voter posted Message 1167 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:48:40 Subject: Court Date August 25th I loose my vote Having Cunningham tossed from the ballot will cancel my vote so what is left to do about that event. Should my vote be tossed or can I rest assured that the Democrats on the ballot will look after my interest? I do not know what to think confused and abused where is my vote? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Doria supporter posted Message 1168 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:50:25 Subject: Re: Court Date August 25th I loose my vote Doria is a good candidate he can represent the people that voted for Cunningham. : Having Cunningham tossed from the ballot will cancel my vote so what is left to do about that event. Should my vote be tossed or can I rest assured that the Democrats on the ballot will look after my interest? I do not know what to think confused and abused where is my vote? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Doria Supporter posted Message 1169 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:52:06 Subject: Re: Great expectations Your vote as a Democrat is welcomed Doria will represent you in an honorable way. Doria has an excellant record of service. : Well I give up what makes it work is the answer they have won and beat us where we stand. No vote cast is valid. So why vote why care they will continue to steal lie and cheat and we get nothing in return. All hope is lost a quite realization of our place our lot in life. Perhaps it is not racist but I feel less than lower than and all together oppressed. Maybe its just me. I must be an idiot to have born black maybe I can get a procedure to change my color? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Doria Supporter posted Message 1170 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:53:27 Subject: Re: Invalid Government I think this is over reacting. Doria is an excellant candidate his record speaks for its self. : Jersey City should be merged into another city because its votes do not count. The will of the electorate has been rendered void. Since the people desire some form of government and the Jersey City Government is held invalid lets see if we can formulate a merger whereby Jersey City residents get some governement. Perhaps begging the HCDO for a government would work they may allow us our rights. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Doria Supporter posted Message 1171 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 22:55:17 Subject: Re: Cunningham should resign from office Cunningham is welcome as well as everyone. Doria is a uniter and wishes for party unity not at the expense of Glenn Cunningham. : Since the vote is invalid and the Party will not support Cunningham his resignation should be tendered. Granted this is not fair but what is in this day and age. So the HCDO wins and gets their candidate whats the big deal. Glenn Cunningham attempted to change a system using legal means but even that was not good enough so it is time to throw the towel in and walk away rebuild the party and confront the Republicans. There is no hope of Cunningham winning against the HCDO and the Republicans are a poor second choice. The dream of every voter being counted has died but there is another day maybe next time. Sorry to say but the truth and playing by the rules was not good enough in the end. We are all left smaller and less than by this event. We still have hope perhaps another election a fair one. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sueeeeeeeeeeey Steve posted Message 1172 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 23:31:29 Subject: Re: Agricultural Development for Bayonne THe only squealing noise you hear is that of the UTN boy toy! ***************** End Of Article ****************** wqaa posted Message 1173 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 15, 2003 at 23:56:46 Subject: Re: Court Date August 25th I loose my vote Cunningham will become a Republican and run as the republican party candidate and then the HCDO will get the biggest kick on the behind ever! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dan the Man McMahon posted Message 1174 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 16, 2003 at 00:15:40 Subject: Lou Manzo Press Release Civic activist and Assemblyman elect Lou Manzo announced tonight that he is definitely a candidate for Governor of California. Lou has never lived in California , nor visited there, but feels the state's zany brand of politics is tailored made for him. "They got folks out there that are bigger kooks than me" said Lou. Lou plans on basing his grass roots campaign on the twin themes of his virulent opposition to both earthquakes and tax abatements. If California does not have abatements Lou will run on something dealing with either grape or apple pickers which he hopes to link to Bob Menendez."I'm in this to win" said Manzo,"I'll terminate the terminator and see ya later alligator". ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer-Urban Times News posted Message 1175 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 16, 2003 at 15:54:38 Subject: HCDO ELECTION CHALLENGE: HISTORY WILL TEACH US NOTHING Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1176 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 16, 2003 at 17:28:05 Subject: Pat's 1 year anniversary show November 12, 2001 Lou Manzo, Jeramiah Healy, Peter Weiss and Earl Morgan (in order of appearance) are the guests. The general opinion was that the Council and Glenn Cunningham's solid support for Jim McGreevey boded well for Jersey City. Well, prophesy is very difficult, particularly concerning the future... ***************** End Of Article ****************** doria hates jazz posted Message 1177 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 17, 2003 at 19:52:08 Subject: must read : Doria is a good candidate he can represent the people that voted for Cunningham. : : Having Cunningham tossed from the ballot will cancel my vote so what is left to do about that event. Should my vote be tossed or can I rest assured that the Democrats on the ballot will look after my interest? I do not know what to think confused and abused where is my vote? Joe Doria STATED DURING RECOUNT Your butt is wide, well mine is too Just watch your mouth or I'll sit on you The word is out, better treats me right 'Cause I'm the king of cellulite Ham on, ham on, ham on whole wheat, all right My zippers bust, my buckles break I'm too much man for you to take The pavement cracks when I fall down I've got more chins than Chinatown Well, I've never used a phone booth And I've never seen my toes When I'm goin' to the movies I take up seven rows When I walk out to get my mail It measures on the Richter scale Down at the beach I'm a lucky man I'm the only one who gets a tan If I have one more pie a la mode I'm gonna need my own zip code When you're only having seconds I'm having twenty-thirds When I go to get my shoes shined I gotta take their word ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hillarious posted Message 1178 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 17, 2003 at 19:56:18 Subject: Too Funny FANTASTIC - KEEP IT UP : Joe Doria STATED DURING RECOUNT Your butt is wide, well mine is too : Just watch your mouth or I'll sit on you : The word is out, better treats me right : 'Cause I'm the king of cellulite : Ham on, ham on, ham on whole wheat, all right : My zippers bust, my buckles break : I'm too much man for you to take : The pavement cracks when I fall down : I've got more chins than Chinatown : Well, I've never used a phone booth : And I've never seen my toes : When I'm goin' to the movies : I take up seven rows : When I walk out to get my mail : It measures on the Richter scale : Down at the beach I'm a lucky man : I'm the only one who gets a tan : If I have one more pie a la mode : I'm gonna need my own zip code : When you're only having seconds : I'm having twenty-thirds : When I go to get my shoes shined : I gotta take their word ***************** End Of Article ****************** Whos to blaim for the lack of jobs posted Message 1179 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 17, 2003 at 20:55:03 Subject: Corruption errodes trust and drives investment dollars away A World Bank study, using a regression analysis covering the 1980s, suggests that a 10 percent difference in the degree of generic trust among the citizens of a nation is reflected in a 0.8 percent variance in that country's rate of economic growth. With average annual growth worldwide in the range of 1 percent to 3 percent during the same period, it is easy to see the payback in building trust. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO Rally for Unity posted Message 1180 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 17, 2003 at 21:14:08 Subject: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th HCDO will sponsor a rally for unity August 25th. Leather Boots and Goose Stepping are welcome. All Ward F participants will be given yellow stars and allowed to march in the back of the parade. The small show of affection for the fearless leader of the HCDO Congressman Menendez will be presented with the Reich's Highest Order the Iron Cross. Of course the standard bearers will wear brown shirts and march in front. A sign of Unity will be required of all those Democrats wishing to obtain favors. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Do you see red! posted Message 1181 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 17, 2003 at 21:51:04 Subject: Do you see RED! Do you see RED when you open your Tax bill? Help us pass the "LOCAL FINANCE LIMITATION ACT" http://www.munozforassembly.com/localfinlimact.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE ORIGINAL POSTER IS AN A$$HOLE! posted Message 1182 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 17, 2003 at 23:14:53 Subject: Re: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th HUGE MISTAKE,,,,,,,,HUGE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** munozforassembly posted Message 1183 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 17, 2003 at 23:21:37 Subject: Lets give parents a choice! Help Elise DiNardo and Jose Munoz pass the "School Choice Act" to promote better education for our childrens. more info: http://www.munozforassembly.com/schoolchoice.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** Yes I forgot my place forgive me please posted Message 1184 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 08:02:13 Subject: Re: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th Sorry to have posted such a blunt statement of your final solution forgive me for expressing my opinion in terms you actually understood. After all why should I have the freedom of speech when it interupts your ability to steal and corrupt the system. Please do not hurt me I fear your rath. Yes I'm an a$$hole for tolerating you and your corrupt friend for years. What kind of idiot was I believing in justice for all and the rule of law when clearly you are a barbarian of the worst kind one that lurks in the neither regions of legality out of the reach of justice. Those that support corruption will take everything including me away to where they can deal with me in a manner they find acceptable. By allowing the thieves to run the system we endanger our own lives and the lives of our children how many futures must be robbed before we say stop the madness. Yes they are corrutp dangerous people that must be stopped using the rule of law and elections and time after time they can steal that right of equal protection under the law but we will continue. The little man will prevail against the rule of the barbarian we will never bend our knee to please a despotic regime that steals and cheats the people for after all that is what makes us the people no knee bended to despots no knee bended to corruption. Take away everything else but you will never get my diginity it was never and will never be for sale. : HUGE MISTAKE,,,,,,,,HUGE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Little Man posted Message 1185 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 08:08:06 Subject: A bended knee to corruption never Who will be there when they come for you. By not tolerating the corruption and not bending our knee to the despots we make stronger the world we live in. Day by day we grow stronger to fight the evils domestic and overseas. We are those that lead lives of determination and struggle small struggles against those that would rob us blind. It is the prayer that lives in every man the one God placed there a cry for freedom for all men. Yes some day that prayer will be answered but in little ways bit by bit in is a growing process not to be stopped by one election or even ten evil will be put down bit by bit until it is no more. One day the HCDO will be of the people and not rob the people. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gary posted Message 1186 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 10:14:23 Subject: Re: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th Guess your assumption made another azz of you - idiot. Remember, if ever you wish to express your views directly, just give me a way to contact you - I would REALLY like that, coward ***************** End Of Article ****************** Just looking posted Message 1187 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 12:06:33 Subject: Heights mortician Gaughan & McGreevey's Trip to Ireland Didn't Heights mortician (and Ward C Councilman and County Exec Chief-of-Staff) Gaughan go with McGreevey on that trade (so to speak) trip to Ireland? Why did Gaughan tag along? Do the Emerald Isle's undertakers have advanced embalming methods that Gaughan brought back to improve the industry here in NJ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 1188 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 12:18:34 Subject: Re: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th Let me ask, do you let others know your racist views openly or do you simply hide behind a computer all your life like a coward??? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gary -Sent to original poster posted Message 1189 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 12:22:00 Subject: Re: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th Guess your assumption made another azz of you - idiot. Remember, if ever you wish to express your views directly, just give me a way to contact you - I would REALLY like that, coward : Sorry to have posted such a blunt statement of your final solution forgive me for expressing my opinion in terms you actually understood. After all why should I have the freedom of speech when it interupts your ability to steal and corrupt the system. Please do not hurt me I fear your rath. Yes I'm an a$$hole for tolerating you and your corrupt friend for years. What kind of idiot was I believing in justice for all and the rule of law when clearly you are a barbarian of the worst kind one that lurks in the neither regions of legality out of the reach of justice. Those that support corruption will take everything including me away to where they can deal with me in a manner they find acceptable. By allowing the thieves to run the system we endanger our own lives and the lives of our children how many futures must be robbed before we say stop the madness. Yes they are corrutp dangerous people that must be stopped using the rule of law and elections and time after time they can steal that right of equal protection under the law but we will continue. The little man will prevail against the rule of the barbarian we will never bend our knee to please a despotic regime that steals and cheats the people for after all that is what makes us the people no knee bended to despots no knee bended to corruption. Take away everything else but you will never get my diginity it was never and will never be for sale. : : HUGE MISTAKE,,,,,,,,HUGE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Responsible spokesman posted Message 1190 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 12:40:58 Subject: Re: Heights mortician Gaughan & McGreevey's Trip to Ireland Nah, you're looking at it the wrong way around. Bill G was trying to sell them over there in Ireland in sending their stiffs to Jersey City. The idea is to convert the old Valley Fair lot on 440 into a cemetery. It's going to be kind of strange for a graveyard to be covered by asphalt, but it's going to be painted green to make it look more like grass so it will probably work out alright. This away the Irish get more space for housing and farms and we get some money to pay the bill for the toxic waste cleanup. : Didn't Heights mortician (and Ward C Councilman and County Exec Chief-of-Staff) Gaughan go with McGreevey on that trade (so to speak) trip to Ireland? : Why did Gaughan tag along? Do the Emerald Isle's undertakers have advanced embalming methods that Gaughan brought back to improve the industry here in NJ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** A Storm Trooper run and hide posted Message 1191 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 12:49:53 Subject: Re: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th Frightening that one would threaten someone for their opinion unless they had something to protect I only ask for my birth right of liberty shall I be beaten for that simple request. Or will you understand Freedom won by the blood of those that came before me will not go unaccounted for by threats and corruption. The fact of the matter is make sure for what you ask for you amy get it what is your information a visit may be in order you have been a bad boy perhaps you need a spanking. : Guess your assumption made another azz of you - idiot. Remember, if ever you wish to express your views directly, just give me a way to contact you - I would REALLY like that, coward : : : Sorry to have posted such a blunt statement of your final solution forgive me for expressing my opinion in terms you actually understood. After all why should I have the freedom of speech when it interupts your ability to steal and corrupt the system. Please do not hurt me I fear your rath. Yes I'm an a$$hole for tolerating you and your corrupt friend for years. What kind of idiot was I believing in justice for all and the rule of law when clearly you are a barbarian of the worst kind one that lurks in the neither regions of legality out of the reach of justice. Those that support corruption will take everything including me away to where they can deal with me in a manner they find acceptable. By allowing the thieves to run the system we endanger our own lives and the lives of our children how many futures must be robbed before we say stop the madness. Yes they are corrutp dangerous people that must be stopped using the rule of law and elections and time after time they can steal that right of equal protection under the law but we will continue. The little man will prevail against the rule of the barbarian we will never bend our knee to please a despotic regime that steals and cheats the people for after all that is what makes us the people no knee bended to despots no knee bended to corruption. Take away everything else but you will never get my diginity it was never and will never be for sale. : : : : HUGE MISTAKE,,,,,,,,HUGE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Icy Ghost posted Message 1192 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 12:52:55 Subject: Re: Heights mortician Gaughan & McGreevey's Trip to Ireland I believe they both use the same dating service and found a good supply of stiffs in Ireland for their purposes. McGreevey likes his women the same as he likes the voters dead and ready to do as he wishes. : Nah, you're looking at it the wrong way around. : Bill G was trying to sell them over there in Ireland in sending their stiffs to Jersey City. : The idea is to convert the old Valley Fair lot on 440 into a cemetery. It's going to be kind of strange for a graveyard to be covered by asphalt, but it's going to be painted green to make it look more like grass so it will probably work out alright. : This away the Irish get more space for housing and farms and we get some money to pay the bill for the toxic waste cleanup. : : : Didn't Heights mortician (and Ward C Councilman and County Exec Chief-of-Staff) Gaughan go with McGreevey on that trade (so to speak) trip to Ireland? : : Why did Gaughan tag along? Do the Emerald Isle's undertakers have advanced embalming methods that Gaughan brought back to improve the industry here in NJ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hiding Coward posted Message 1193 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 12:56:48 Subject: Re: HCDO will have a Rally for Unity August 25th Is it possible I offended someone well thats unfortunate since the HCDO has offended every voter in Ward F. In fact the racist August 25th court date should never have happened but the rule of law needs to be enforced however the fact that Doria chooses to contest leaves the argument of his racism all but confirmed. So just move on and peddle your trash elsewhere we the free have not need for the likes of you. Ward F has been robbed by you already : Let me ask, do you let others know your racist views openly or do you simply hide behind a computer all your life like a coward??? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Heights makes right posted Message 1194 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 15:22:08 Subject: Re: Heights mortician Gaughan & McGreevey's Trip to Ireland Did he really go with the Gov. to Ireland? Did the state Democratic party pay Gaughan's bill like it paid for McGreevey after the Star Ledger reported how much the wingding cost? : Didn't Heights mortician (and Ward C Councilman and County Exec Chief-of-Staff) Gaughan go with McGreevey on that trade (so to speak) trip to Ireland? : Why did Gaughan tag along? Do the Emerald Isle's undertakers have advanced embalming methods that Gaughan brought back to improve the industry here in NJ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** patomelia posted Message 1195 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 18, 2003 at 15:35:48 Subject: Where were you when the lights went out? That's one of the topics for tonites show, How did you get home? what did you eat? how did you pass the time in the dark? all this and more tonite 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio, Hudson County's Talking toll free to call and have your voice heard! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mrs Turner posted Message 1196 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 19, 2003 at 04:01:32 Subject: Pass go..collect $200 Oh no Rene Abreu has made a plea? Looks like no jail time for him or his lady. Albio Sires and Nick Sacco must be breathing a little better now. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1197 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 19, 2003 at 09:42:33 Subject: The McGreevey Team "The State Governor, Jim Mcgreevey, appointed Roger Chugh, one of his close confidants, as Assistant Secretary of State, making him the third most influential official in the administration." Please see the Link for more information. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1198 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 19, 2003 at 09:55:00 Subject: Financial Times Coverage of Jaime's Trip to Vietnam Financial Times Information Global News Wire - Asia Africa Intelligence Wire Vietnam News Briefs August 18, 2003 POLITICS & LAW: VISITING JERSEY CITY DEPUTY MAYOR PROTESTS US HOUSE RIGHTS BILL The Deputy Mayor of Jersey City in the US, Jaime Vasquez, said he has seen "a reality totally different from what the US thinks about Vietnam" during his ongoing visit to the country. A veteran of the Vietnam War, he said that upon his return to the US he would immediately meet with Chris Smith, author of the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, who is also from New Jersey State, to convince him to abandon the bill, which is expected to be presented to a hearing before the External Affairs Committee of the US House of Representatives in either September or early October. Expressing his deep impressions after visiting the Vietnamese children of soldiers infected with Orange Agent at the Vietnam Friendship Village, Mr Vasquez said "we battered Vietnam, but have done nothing to reconstruct the country". Mr Vasquez said he witnessed thousands of people holding a ceremony at the Hanoi Church, which, he said, contradicts the view of Mr Smith that there is "no religion in Vietnam." "The US Government should assist Vietnam instead of forcing it to follow what it wants", said the deputy mayor, citing the establishment of tens of thousands of new businesses as evidence that Vietnam is on the right track. Vietnam should benefit the same trade relations with the US as China now has, he said, adding that it being a communist country should not be a reason for rejection in the US. This is the second visit by Mr Vasquez to Vietnam, and is aimed at finding out the truth about the country. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rebuild America First not Hanoi posted Message 1199 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 19, 2003 at 12:04:09 Subject: Re: Financial Times Coverage of Jaime's Trip to Vietnam Instead of flying off to exotic fact finding tours do your job rebuild Jersey City. Why would Jaime go to Viet Nam does Jersey City have any econmic relationship or is he just expanding his portfolio to foreign affairs. Either way why should his view be valid compared to the US State Departments view. Considering all the work that needs to be done in Jersey City what purpose does his input on Viet Nam add. Who really cares what a Communist nation does other than in a military sense. We the people of Jersey City have not empowered this person with a charge to visit Viet Nam and make comments about it status. Who does he work for Jersey City or Hanoi? : Financial Times Information : : Global News Wire - Asia Africa Intelligence Wire : Vietnam News Briefs : August 18, 2003 : POLITICS & LAW: VISITING JERSEY CITY DEPUTY MAYOR PROTESTS US HOUSE RIGHTS BILL : The Deputy Mayor of Jersey City in the US, Jaime Vasquez, said he has seen "a reality totally different from what the US thinks about Vietnam" during his ongoing visit to the country. : A veteran of the Vietnam War, he said that upon his return to the US he would immediately meet with Chris Smith, author of the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, who is also from New Jersey State, to convince him to abandon the bill, which is expected to be presented to a hearing before the External Affairs Committee of the US House of Representatives in either September or early October. Expressing his deep impressions after visiting the Vietnamese children of soldiers infected with Orange Agent at the Vietnam Friendship Village, Mr Vasquez said "we battered Vietnam, but have done nothing to reconstruct the country". : Mr Vasquez said he witnessed thousands of people holding a ceremony at the Hanoi Church, which, he said, contradicts the view of Mr Smith that there is "no religion in Vietnam." : "The US Government should assist Vietnam instead of forcing it to follow what it wants", said the deputy mayor, citing the establishment of tens of thousands of new businesses as evidence that Vietnam is on the right track. : Vietnam should benefit the same trade relations with the US as China now has, he said, adding that it being a communist country should not be a reason for rejection in the US. : This is the second visit by Mr Vasquez to Vietnam, and is aimed at finding out the truth about the country. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Look What I did on my summer vacation posted Message 1200 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 19, 2003 at 12:06:36 Subject: Re: Financial Times Coverage of Jaime's Trip to Vietnam So who si paying for this world tour Jersey City Taxpayers, Special Interest Groups, or someone unknown. : Financial Times Information : : Global News Wire - Asia Africa Intelligence Wire : Vietnam News Briefs : August 18, 2003 : POLITICS & LAW: VISITING JERSEY CITY DEPUTY MAYOR PROTESTS US HOUSE RIGHTS BILL : The Deputy Mayor of Jersey City in the US, Jaime Vasquez, said he has seen "a reality totally different from what the US thinks about Vietnam" during his ongoing visit to the country. : A veteran of the Vietnam War, he said that upon his return to the US he would immediately meet with Chris Smith, author of the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, who is also from New Jersey State, to convince him to abandon the bill, which is expected to be presented to a hearing before the External Affairs Committee of the US House of Representatives in either September or early October. Expressing his deep impressions after visiting the Vietnamese children of soldiers infected with Orange Agent at the Vietnam Friendship Village, Mr Vasquez said "we battered Vietnam, but have done nothing to reconstruct the country". : Mr Vasquez said he witnessed thousands of people holding a ceremony at the Hanoi Church, which, he said, contradicts the view of Mr Smith that there is "no religion in Vietnam." : "The US Government should assist Vietnam instead of forcing it to follow what it wants", said the deputy mayor, citing the establishment of tens of thousands of new businesses as evidence that Vietnam is on the right track. : Vietnam should benefit the same trade relations with the US as China now has, he said, adding that it being a communist country should not be a reason for rejection in the US. : This is the second visit by Mr Vasquez to Vietnam, and is aimed at finding out the truth about the country. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HOT CHILI posted Message 1201 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 21, 2003 at 15:51:19 Subject: What will happen? What is going to happen if Cunigham loses the battle in the courtroom this monday? His only option will be to run as a republican? Will he change? Will the people follow him? ***************** End Of Article ****************** 3for5 posted Message 1202 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 21, 2003 at 17:10:12 Subject: Re: What will happen? Anybody know the ins and outs of the Sore Loser law? If you lose a primary, you can't run as an Independent in the general election is how I read it. But what if a judge rules an primary invaild, does that count as a loss and you still can't run as an Independent? Do you have to declare as a Republican or can you jump on the Green or some other 3rd Party bandwagon? What's the deadline for declaring yourself as running again, anyhow? : What is going to happen if Cunigham loses the battle in the courtroom this monday? His only option will be to run as a republican? Will he change? Will the people follow him? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer-Urban Times News posted Message 1203 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 21, 2003 at 17:37:26 Subject: COUNTY PAYS UP $850K FOR MACK DADDY MENENDEZ’ PET VENDOR Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1204 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 21, 2003 at 18:43:07 Subject: And they didn't like Fr. Azzarto's penmanship! For more on Frank Hague, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** If I keep scratching my head I'm going to lose the little bit of hair that I got left. posted Message 1205 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 21, 2003 at 19:04:51 Subject: Re: COUNTY PAYS UP $850K FOR MACK DADDY MENENDEZ’ PET VENDOR Didn't 595 Newark dust off Bob Magro (at 25k per 3 months) after Club 280 sent him packing? What is Magro doing to make himself useful to the tax paying public? : : Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** The old dust is also at 280 posted Message 1206 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 21, 2003 at 20:10:12 Subject: Re: COUNTY PAYS UP $850K FOR MACK DADDY MENENDEZ’ PET VENDOR Lets talk about bringing the dead back to life: Mark Munley Gerri McCann Maggie Doyle should we go on? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Thanks, but no thanks posted Message 1207 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 10:57:38 Subject: Re: COUNTY PAYS UP $850K FOR MACK DADDY MENENDEZ’ PET VENDOR Let me get this straight, Honest Al, right now don't have the ways or means of doing the job, but he guesses that he can pull it off if the Degise just signs right here on the dotted line? And we is supposed to just drop down in gratitude that Poreda is promising to hire residents even though he's got no track record? Poreda should be looking for investors, not expecting the county taxpayers to set him up in business out of the blue. : : Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bend no knee to the corrupt machine form a New County posted Message 1208 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 11:16:11 Subject: Gulag Camp Hudson County Form a New County We the free the brave and those that have died for freedom in nations all over the globe will never bend to the will of the corrupt thieves that are stealing money paid by the free people of Hudson County. Jersey City must become its own county and seperate from Hudson County in order to save it from the collaspe that is comming. By seperating totally from Hudson County and declaring all municpal and politcal sub-divisions created under the past regime of Hudson County Jersey City can obtain its freedom from the oppression of the HCDO. Seperate from Hudson County Form a New County ***************** End Of Article ****************** Call for a New County Seperate and Liberate posted Message 1209 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 11:18:02 Subject: JERSEY CITY a Seperate County Seperate Jersey City from Hudson County get rid of the Corruption of the HCDO. Stop the stealing of tax monies and form a NEW COUNTY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Petition to form a NEW COUNTY posted Message 1210 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 11:19:40 Subject: End the HCDO DESPOTS FORM A NEW COUNTY Sign the petition to form a New County stop the HCDO and remove Jersey City from the hands of those that would take all it has. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Call for Freedom Call for a new and seperate County posted Message 1211 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 11:22:12 Subject: End Corruption start a New County Petition for a New County Jersey City Residents end the intolerable rule of the HCDO over your lives Sign the petition for a NEW COUNTY. If we all sign we will not have to submitt to their theft of oru assets Free Jersey City form the Jersey City County. ***************** End Of Article ****************** PAUL BYRNE posted Message 1212 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 11:49:40 Subject: Re: COUNTY PAYS UP $850K FOR MACK DADDY MENENDEZ’ PET VENDOR AL YOU FORGOT YOUR LETTER OF RECOMENDATION FROM PAUL BYRNE!!! : : Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE posted Message 1213 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 11:53:17 Subject: PAUL BYRNE AL YOU FORGOT YOUR LETTER OF RECOMENDATION FROM PAUL BYRNE!!! : : Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cowboy posted Message 1214 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 18:01:00 Subject: Re: What will happen? If Glenn declares as a republican I wonder if the state GOP will give Jose Arango a medal or have him sent to siberia. : What is going to happen if Cunigham loses the battle in the courtroom this monday? His only option will be to run as a republican? Will he change? Will the people follow him? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer-Urban Times News posted Message 1215 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 22, 2003 at 18:02:04 Subject: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT SYSTEM WORKS BUT GOVERNMENT NOT WORKING SYSTEM Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bust a nut posted Message 1216 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 23, 2003 at 23:09:30 Subject: Re: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT It certainly sounds like a great idea: simple, obvious, and badly needed. NJBlowjob.com provides an ebay-style reverse auction service for government ejaculation of any and all services, soup to nuts. New Jersey law requires all governmental units to solicit competitive bids for all goods and services they purchase costing more than $.75 The idea is to reduce the cost of government, says co-founder Daren Maloney. Maloney is Chief Financial Officer of West New York, and former purchasing agent of Hudson County. The company has attracted attention recently because of its rented location in the office occupied by Larry Flint. Flint is the Hoboken masturbator who just pleaded guilty to a federal sex charge after about a year during which it is thought that he cooperated with the ongoing corruption investigation. “We just rented some space there. Now, of course, we wish we had not and we are in the process of moving. Flint has nothing to do with the company, nor does any other elected or appointed official with the exception of the founding partners,” said Maloney. The founders planned to make money by charging a fee, ranging from 1% to 3% to the winning suppliers after they won condom awards and got laid. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jake posted Message 1217 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 24, 2003 at 14:01:18 Subject: Never Have So Few Taken So Much From So Many For So Long in Return for So Little. Long Live HCDO! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sandro Graffi posted Message 1218 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 24, 2003 at 16:15:00 Subject: Senator Kenny Thank you Senator Kenny for introducing a bill to eliminate the protection the NJ courts have given to the rich insurance companies by requiring that the injured person prove he can't work or is in a wheelchair to collect damages against the at fault driver. Buuy the right to sue in NJ or you get nothing even if you have a shoulder or knee surgery. BOOS to SENATOR GERALD CARDINALE that proposed a bill to entirely eliminate the right to sue in NJ. His bill won't even let you buy the right to sue. If you die under his bill from a drunk driver in a car crash, his bill mandatyes that you get absolutely NOTHING-no money not even a sorry. Who wins??? The Insurance companies!!! Yea Senator Kenny ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1219 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 25, 2003 at 16:09:57 Subject: Tonites topics JC's Employment and Training scandel, Hudson County drops the ball with States 911 Memorial artists contest, JC's pothole killer all City's should have this thing!all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 1220 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 16:14:38 Subject: From Inside County Lines edition of August 30 to September 5 Steven Glazer sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious posted Message 1221 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 17:59:10 Subject: Re: From Inside County Lines edition of August 30 to September 5 Freedom is not given to the press...It falls under freedom of speech! In addition, this is not an absolute freedom! Writers should remember this fact. If you violate somebody else’s right to privacy, you should be held accountable. When writers publish a story or the television news media airs a story they should be held accountable to use credible sources. ***************** End Of Article ****************** hotflorida posted Message 1222 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 19:09:33 Subject: Hot Girl Check this out! The posters are awesome! ***************** End Of Article ****************** hotflorida posted Message 1223 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 19:10:26 Subject: Hot Girl Check this out! The posters are awesome! ***************** End Of Article ****************** A reminder posted Message 1224 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 20:22:24 Subject: Re: From Inside County Lines edition of August 30 to September 5 Article VI of the American Society Of Newspaper Editors states: "..Journalism should respect the rights of people involved in the news, observe the common standards of decency and stand accountable to the public for fairness and accuracy of their news report." ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1225 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 21:03:20 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HOBOKEN EDDIE posted Message 1226 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 21:12:27 Subject: NEWS FLASH NOT SURE WHERE THIS GLAZER IDIOT GETS HIS INFORMATION FROM BUT, KAY LICAUSI IS NOT PREGNANT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1227 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 21:40:55 Subject: GET NJ Does Not Play Favorites! I think I will dispute this premise offered by Mr. Olszewski. I read that this board will delete libelous posts. In that case, why is Mr. Glazer and the Urban Times News allowed to post unsubstantiated rumors and innuendoes on an ongoing basis. Their last post makes vile allegations regarding Robert Menendez and Kay Licausi. None of the allegations being supported by fact. I am not naive. I realize that the Internet is a vehicle for unsubstantiated allegations, untruths and rumors. However, it seems that this board would prefer to hide behind the excuse that it gives the other side their fair chance to post similar unsubstantiated allegations, untruths and rumors. And then allow the UTN to post what they want. If I were a cynic (and a bit paranoid) I might think this was part of some vast right wing conspiracy. Wouldn't it be clever for Mr. Schundler's protege (and ex-webmaster) to allow one faction of the Democartic party to post scurrilous rumors, in the hope they they would further the rift in Democratic ranks and ultimately serve the political ends of Mr. Schundler. But of course, this board is fair and impartial, and would never stoop to anything like that. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer the Dirt Bag posted Message 1228 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 22:39:57 Subject: Re: From Inside County Lines edition of August 30 to September 5 : Steven Glazer sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Just when you think this low life can't get any lower he surprises you by proving he's a bigger bag of turds then you'd ever believe. I hope there is a special place in hell for this vermin and hope Judge d'Italia gives Glenn and Bobby and Joe and the rest just what they deserve. And hey Steve when was the last time you saw your kids? And why did your wife show you the door? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Big Al posted Message 1229 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 26, 2003 at 22:44:09 Subject: Re: From Inside County Lines edition of August 30 to September 5 : Steven Glazer sglazer@urbantimesnews.com I never never thought anyone could replace Paulie Byrne as the sleaziest of all politicians but Glazer has done it. When is someone going to deal with this punk. Either sue him or beat the crap out of him. Or both. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1230 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 27, 2003 at 09:46:40 Subject: NOW IT CAN BE REVEALED!!! WHO IS CHAKOTAY? "...part of some vast right wing conspiracy." IT'S HILLARY CLINTON!!!! : I think I will dispute this premise offered by Mr. Olszewski. : I read that this board will delete libelous posts. In that case, why is Mr. Glazer and the Urban Times News allowed to post unsubstantiated rumors and innuendoes on an ongoing basis. Their last post makes vile allegations regarding Robert Menendez and Kay Licausi. None of the allegations being supported by fact. : I am not naive. I realize that the Internet is a vehicle for unsubstantiated allegations, untruths and rumors. However, it seems that this board would prefer to hide behind the excuse that it gives the other side their fair chance to post similar unsubstantiated allegations, untruths and rumors. And then allow the UTN to post what they want. : If I were a cynic (and a bit paranoid) I might think this was part of some vast right wing conspiracy. Wouldn't it be clever for Mr. Schundler's protege (and ex-webmaster) to allow one faction of the Democartic party to post scurrilous rumors, in the hope they they would further the rift in Democratic ranks and ultimately serve the political ends of Mr. Schundler. : But of course, this board is fair and impartial, and would never stoop to anything like that. ***************** End Of Article ****************** RICO THE MAN posted Message 1231 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 27, 2003 at 15:04:23 Subject: Pillow Talk Kay's Pillow Served It's Purpose. Don't Ever Forget It's all about R.I.C.O. and THE MAN. : NOT SURE WHERE THIS GLAZER IDIOT GETS HIS INFORMATION FROM BUT, : KAY LICAUSI IS NOT PREGNANT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** T-Serum posted Message 1232 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 27, 2003 at 20:04:19 Subject: Target Letters, all around Target letters have just gone to Nick Sacco, Bernie Kenny, and Donald Scarinci. This is gonna be a big one. ***************** End Of Article ****************** T-Serum posted Message 1233 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 27, 2003 at 20:52:42 Subject: Revised post : Target letters have just gone to Bobby Jackson, Joe Cardwell, and the Urban Times News. This is gonna be a big one. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ray Burr posted Message 1234 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 27, 2003 at 20:59:16 Subject: The Cunningham Defense What a great defense. Genova is saying "Yeh, Bobby Jackson and Joe Cardwell are dumber than dirt, and Cunningham didn't have a clue as to what was going on , but stupid isn't a crime so the election should stand." Elnardo Webster Jr. acts like Alconquin J. Calhoun and provides the comic relief. Can't wait till next week. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1235 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 27, 2003 at 21:19:32 Subject: Re: NOW IT CAN BE REVEALED!!! WHO IS CHAKOTAY? OH NO !!!! My secret identity has been revealed !!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Monica posted Message 1236 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 27, 2003 at 21:23:54 Subject: Re: NOW IT CAN BE REVEALED!!! WHO IS CHAKOTAY? I knew it..........................................your my hero! ***************** End Of Article ****************** T-Serum posted Message 1237 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 10:12:46 Subject: Re: The Cunningham Defense-As in Amos n Andy? : What a great defense. Genova is saying "Yeh, Bobby Jackson and Joe Cardwell are dumber than dirt, and Cunningham didn't have a clue as to what was going on , but stupid isn't a crime so the election should stand." Elnardo Webster Jr. acts like Alconquin J. Calhoun and provides the comic relief. Can't wait till next week. Would that be Algonquin J. Calhoun? The lawyer friend of Amos 'n Andy? What message do you THINK you are sending? Where are you coming from? ***************** End Of Article ****************** On The Erie posted Message 1238 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 10:18:12 Subject: Re: The Cunningham Defense-As in Amos n Andy? Once the day is done, they start pulling the hoods and sheets out of the closets. : : What a great defense. Genova is saying "Yeh, Bobby Jackson and Joe Cardwell are dumber than dirt, and Cunningham didn't have a clue as to what was going on , but stupid isn't a crime so the election should stand." Elnardo Webster Jr. acts like Alconquin J. Calhoun and provides the comic relief. Can't wait till next week. : Would that be Algonquin J. Calhoun? The lawyer friend of Amos 'n Andy? What message do you THINK you are sending? Where are you coming from? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1239 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 11:45:05 Subject: What is a Target Letter? A Target Letter is an investigative technique of the U.S Attorney's Office. Even though a particular Target Letter might bear a resemblance to a Miranda Warning, there is no legal requirement for the U.s. Attorney to give a Target Letter. The U.S. Department of Justice Web Site contains a sample Target Letter (please see the Link below). Again, as it is not a legal structure, Target Letters need not resemble the specimen on the Federal Web Site at all. For instance, individuals under investigation, but not scheduled to appear before a Grand Jury may also receive a Target Letter. The Target Letters of the U.S. Attorney's Offices within a region will probably be more similar in wording than like documents from outside that region. One of the purposes of a Target Letter -- as seen in the sample -- is to act as an umbrella for evidence. Once put on notice, the recipient of a Target Letter then bears the responsibility for securing records and all other potential items of interest to the U.S. Attorney and staff. Certainly after the delivery of a Target Letter, shredding files is a criminal act. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gone Fishing posted Message 1240 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 16:33:01 Subject: New Jersey City to assist with school buses New Jersey City to assist with school buses Thursday August 28 2003 by Elwin Francis The City of New Jersey will be donating two school buses to Antigua & Barbuda as part of the sister/city agreement, which was signed by the Mayor of New Jersey, Glenn Cunningham and Prime Minister Lester Bird on 1 Nov. last year. Deputy Mayor of Jersey City Carl Czaplicki, who recently got married in Antigua, said arrangements are being made with the Sidewalk University in New Jersey to deliver the buses to Antigua shortly. "Just before we left New Jersey last Wednesday we were speaking with officials of Sidewalk University to finalise details with regards to the two buses that Jersey City is going to donate to Antigua. We decided to deliver the buses to Antigua through Sidewalk University," Czaplicki said. "In this way Antigua will be working with an organisation in getting the buses as opposed to the office of the mayor sending it down to Antigua. So before we came to Antigua we were working out the logistics and I don"t think it will be too long of a wait before that becomes a reality," he added. Four Antiguans who are executive officers at Sidewalk University, which is a class one non-profit organisation, were the brainchild of the sister/city agreement. They are President Professor Andy Howell, Vice-President Ken Samuel, Dr. Steveroy Jacobs and Professor Nedwell. Czaplicki said the donation of the buses is all part of solidifying the sister/city agreement between both parties. "The donation of the buses is a result of the sister/city agreement, in fact the visit of Mayor Cunningham to Antigua and PM Bird's visit to New Jersey City solidified the agreement," Czaplicki said. "Jersey City has a very strong and growing, vibrant Caribbean population and people of Antigua make up a good percentage of our Caribbean population, so when we talk about sister/city it is truly a sister/city governmental relationship in many different ways," he added. Director of Economic Opportunity for Jersey City, Sonia Schulman, who was also on a recent visit to Antigua, said both parties could benefit from the relationship. "Jersey City is growing economically in leaps and bounds. What was once just waterfront development has now transposed itself throughout the whole city. I think we can share information with Antigua & Barbuda and become good working partners so we can move ahead together. We both have ideas and information we can give each other," Schulman said. Czaplicki said Antigua & Barbuda could also benefit economically from its relationship with Jersey City. "With that growth in Jersey City we see a lot of new companies and old companies expanding. A lot of those companies also have international recognition. "There may very well come a time when economic offers and opportunities will open up to Antigua from these companies," Czaplicki noted. "If these companies are seeking to branch out and invest in the Caribbean, because of our relationship we will be very much inclined to recommend Antigua for possible investment," he added. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The real reason..................................................................... posted Message 1241 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 17:25:57 Subject: Re: New Jersey City to assist with school buses So lets see: Free Hotel Rooms Free Food Money In Jackson's Pocket Sure sounds like a sweet deal Carl! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Anthony covering his A$$ posted Message 1242 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 18:07:20 Subject: Re: What is a Target Letter? : A Target Letter is an investigative technique of the U.S Attorney's Office. Even though a particular Target Letter might bear a resemblance to a Miranda Warning, there is no legal requirement for the U.S. Attorney to give a Target Letter. : The U.S. Department of Justice Web Site contains a sample Target Letter (please see the Link below). Again, as it is not a legal structure, Target Letters need not resemble the specimen on the Federal Web Site at all. For instance, individuals under investigation, but not scheduled to appear before a Grand Jury may also receive a Target Letter. The Target Letters of the U.S. Attorney's Offices within a region will probably be more similar in wording than like documents from outside that region. : One of the purposes of a Target Letter -- as seen in the sample -- is to act as an umbrella for evidence. Once put on notice, the recipient of a Target Letter then assumes the responsibility for securing records and all other potential items of interest to the U.S. Attorney and staff. Certainly after the delivery of a Target Letter, shredding files is a criminal act. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wonderer posted Message 1243 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 18:59:44 Subject: Re: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT : SYSTEM WORKS BUT GOVERNMENT NOT WORKING SYSTEM : Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com Robert Byrne? Any relation to Paul Byrne? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Facts? posted Message 1244 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 28, 2003 at 19:09:55 Subject: Re: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT How Funny! Sounds like sour grapes to me!! Maybe the Freeholders are quivering by AL's ridiculous threats to sue? Here is a quarter and a tissue..Now go tell someone who cares!! You Putz! Oh, and Steve....I wonder why you wrote that story? For one, it contains no facts, and two, I happened to notice the ad for NJlowestbid on the same page as the story. You could have at least moved it to another page so it did not look so obvious....Your a putz too!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Target Letter Woodbridge posted Message 1245 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 09:11:56 Subject: Rumor has it a Woodbridge Investigation Rumor has it a Woodbridge Investigation will prompt a Target Letter to one of its former mayors namely the govenor. Imagine that the govenor is under investigation for what I cannot imagine. Do we really think that the govenor would be involved in anything that would prompt a letter of this nature no never. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1246 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 09:25:54 Subject: The McGreevey Team : Rumor has it a Woodbridge Investigation will prompt a Target Letter to one of its former mayors namely the govenor. Imagine that the govenor is under investigation for what I cannot imagine. Do we really think that the govenor would be involved in anything that would prompt a letter of this nature no never. ***************** End Of Article ****************** PS# posted Message 1247 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 10:01:08 Subject: St Peter's Prep Not to Get Taxpayer 250K State withholding $500,000 in aid for two Roman Catholic schools The Associated Press 8/29/2003, 7:42 a.m. ET TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — The state has delayed the release of $500,000 that was set aside for two Roman Catholic high schools at the behest of two state lawmakers. The decision announced Thursday came as the American Civil Liberties Union was planning to seek a temporary restraining order to block the grants, claiming it was a violation of the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state. However, the state agreed to withhold the funds before Superior Court Judge Andrew Smithson could rule on the issue. The money was to be evenly divided between St. Peter's Preparatory School in Jersey City and Seton Hall Preparatory School in West Orange, two all-boys schools that planned to use the funds for capital improvements. It was added to the state budget June 15 — two weeks before the spending plan was adopted — at the request of Sen. Bernard Kenny, D-Hudson, and Democratic Senate President Richard Codey, who represents Essex County. Codey said he was annoyed that the ACLU would challenge the expenditure, noting that he also worked to get a $100,000 state grant for the Jewish Community Center in West Orange 10 years ago when it was engaged in a capital expansion project. "I've fought hard and have been able to win money for the Jewish Community Center and numerous African-American churches for social programs," Codey told The Star-Ledger of Newark for Friday's editions. "Whether it is Seton Hall or somewhere else, they service children of all religions." Kenny, who sits on the Budget and Appropriations Committee, has also said there was nothing improper about the grant. One of his sons attends St. Peter's and another has graduated from the school. St. Peter's officials plan to put the money toward a $2 million artificial-turf playing field across the street from the school, while Seton Hall Prep wants to put its share toward a $2.2 million expansion project that would include three new classrooms, a doubling in size of its cafeteria and the expansion of the locker room area. Edward Barocas, senior staff attorney for the ACLU, said the problem is that the money is only going to the two schools and is not available to others. "It should be noted that funds often flow to religious schools from accepted government programs that are both neutral and generally available to all schools or all students," he said. "These grants, however, are neither neutral toward religion ... nor generally available." Peter Aseltine, a spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the matter because the state had not yet had a chance to file its response with the court. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Justice For All posted Message 1248 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 11:19:14 Subject: Another Kenny Scam Exposed Thank God Another Scam by Bernie Kenny has been exposed. Special thanks to all those who had the courage to print the original story exposing this blatant ripoff of the taxpayers. : State withholding $500,000 in aid for two Roman Catholic schools : The Associated Press : 8/29/2003, 7:42 a.m. ET : TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — The state has delayed the release of $500,000 that was set aside for two Roman Catholic high schools at the behest of two state lawmakers. : The decision announced Thursday came as the American Civil Liberties Union was planning to seek a temporary restraining order to block the grants, claiming it was a violation of the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state. However, the state agreed to withhold the funds before Superior Court Judge Andrew Smithson could rule on the issue. : The money was to be evenly divided between St. Peter's Preparatory School in Jersey City and Seton Hall Preparatory School in West Orange, two all-boys schools that planned to use the funds for capital improvements. It was added to the state budget June 15 — two weeks before the spending plan was adopted — at the request of Sen. Bernard Kenny, D-Hudson, and Democratic Senate President Richard Codey, who represents Essex County. : Codey said he was annoyed that the ACLU would challenge the expenditure, noting that he also worked to get a $100,000 state grant for the Jewish Community Center in West Orange 10 years ago when it was engaged in a capital expansion project. : "I've fought hard and have been able to win money for the Jewish Community Center and numerous African-American churches for social programs," Codey told The Star-Ledger of Newark for Friday's editions. "Whether it is Seton Hall or somewhere else, they service children of all religions." : Kenny, who sits on the Budget and Appropriations Committee, has also said there was nothing improper about the grant. One of his sons attends St. Peter's and another has graduated from the school. : St. Peter's officials plan to put the money toward a $2 million artificial-turf playing field across the street from the school, while Seton Hall Prep wants to put its share toward a $2.2 million expansion project that would include three new classrooms, a doubling in size of its cafeteria and the expansion of the locker room area. : Edward Barocas, senior staff attorney for the ACLU, said the problem is that the money is only going to the two schools and is not available to others. : "It should be noted that funds often flow to religious schools from accepted government programs that are both neutral and generally available to all schools or all students," he said. "These grants, however, are neither neutral toward religion ... nor generally available." : Peter Aseltine, a spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the matter because the state had not yet had a chance to file its response with the court. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Party Is OVER posted Message 1249 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 14:35:41 Subject: FEDS SEIZE DEMOCRATS' RECORDS U.S. SEEKING DEMOCRATS' RECORDS Friday, August 29, 2003 By JEFF PILLETS and CHARLES STILE TRENTON BUREAU Federal authorities have subpoenaed records from the Democratic State Committee as part of their probe into the activities of Rajesh "Roger" Chugh, a former fund-raiser for Governor McGreevey, two party officials confirmed. The subpoena, delivered by the FBI on Tuesday, sought all transactions involving Chugh, who resigned from a Department of State post in June. The subpoena asked for records of payments or commissions Chugh received as a party fund-raiser, an official said. The subpoena also sought records of all contributions Chugh collected for Victory 2001, the joint fund-raising committee for the state Democratic party and McGreevey's gubernatorial campaign. Bonnie Watson Coleman, the Democratic State Committee chairwoman, confirmed the subpoena, but declined to provide further information. She did say, though, that the subpoena focused on Chugh. One official said McGreevey was forced to cancel a planned visit to the Trenton headquarters of the state committee after federal authorities called, notifying them that federal agents would be arriving later that day. "It wouldn't look good if the governor met up with the feds,'' said a Democratic source familiar with the subpoena. Chugh, a 49-year-old Asian Indian émigré, became the target of state and federal probes this month after The Record reported that he pressured Indian business owners in Middlesex County for political contributions. Chugh allegedly threatened to block building permit and zoning variances of Asian-American shopkeepers in Woodbridge Township unless they made political contributions to the Democrats. Chugh raised an estimated $1 million for McGreevey and the Democrats from 1997 to 2001. Leading Democrats and key members of the Indian community told The Record that they had warned McGreevey that Chugh had a long, troubled history as a businessman and was using unethical fund-raising practices. McGreevey has called the allegations "rubbish" and called his campaign the cleanest in New Jersey history. E-mail: pillets@northjersey.com and stile@northjersey.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** MOVING LIPS posted Message 1250 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 17:32:54 Subject: BOBBY JACKSON Exposed HOW CAN YOU TELL IF BOBBY JACKSON IS TELLING THE TRUTH.. WHEN HIS LIPS AREN'T MOVING. GREAT PIECE - HAPPY READING http://www.getnj.com/onlygameintown/messages/544.shtml ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pamrapo posted Message 1251 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 19:53:13 Subject: What do you get . . . What do you get when you put an albatross around the neck of an albatross? THE McGREEVEY TEAM!!!! : U.S. SEEKING DEMOCRATS' RECORDS : Friday, August 29, 2003 : By JEFF PILLETS and CHARLES STILE : TRENTON BUREAU : : Federal authorities have subpoenaed records from the Democratic State Committee as part of their probe into the activities of Rajesh "Roger" Chugh, a former fund-raiser for Governor McGreevey, two party officials confirmed. : The subpoena, delivered by the FBI on Tuesday, sought all transactions involving Chugh, who resigned from a Department of State post in June. : The subpoena asked for records of payments or commissions Chugh received as a party fund-raiser, an official said. : The subpoena also sought records of all contributions Chugh collected for Victory 2001, the joint fund-raising committee for the state Democratic party and McGreevey's gubernatorial campaign. : Bonnie Watson Coleman, the Democratic State Committee chairwoman, confirmed the subpoena, but declined to provide further information. She did say, though, that the subpoena focused on Chugh. : One official said McGreevey was forced to cancel a planned visit to the Trenton headquarters of the state committee after federal authorities called, notifying them that federal agents would be arriving later that day. : "It wouldn't look good if the governor met up with the feds,'' said a Democratic source familiar with the subpoena. : Chugh, a 49-year-old Asian Indian émigré, became the target of state and federal probes this month after The Record reported that he pressured Indian business owners in Middlesex County for political contributions. : Chugh allegedly threatened to block building permit and zoning variances of Asian-American shopkeepers in Woodbridge Township unless they made political contributions to the Democrats. : Chugh raised an estimated $1 million for McGreevey and the Democrats from 1997 to 2001. : Leading Democrats and key members of the Indian community told The Record that they had warned McGreevey that Chugh had a long, troubled history as a businessman and was using unethical fund-raising practices. : McGreevey has called the allegations "rubbish" and called his campaign the cleanest in New Jersey history. : E-mail: pillets@northjersey.com and stile@northjersey.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 1252 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 29, 2003 at 20:17:16 Subject: Re: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT : How Funny! Sounds like sour grapes to me!! Maybe the Freeholders are quivering by AL's ridiculous threats to sue? Here is a quarter and a tissue..Now go tell someone who cares!! You Putz! : Oh, and Steve....I wonder why you wrote that story? For one, it contains no facts, and two, I happened to notice the ad for NJlowestbid on the same page as the story. You could have at least moved it to another page so it did not look so obvious....Your a putz too!!! May I first respectfully suggest that you learn to read and then read the story again and you just might find a fact or two. Then with your new skills look again at the "ad" you take exception to and you will find that it is a screen capture of NJLowestbid.com's website. Now that you can read just a bit, maybe we could get you to write at an adult level. "You're a putz too!", NOT..."Your a putz too!!!" And last, may I also respectfully suggest that you eat my putz. You would probably like it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Barf posted Message 1253 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 30, 2003 at 00:16:50 Subject: Re: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT : : How Funny! Sounds like sour grapes to me!! Maybe the Freeholders are quivering by AL's ridiculous threats to sue? Here is a quarter and a tissue..Now go tell someone who cares!! You Putz! : : Oh, and Steve....I wonder why you wrote that story? For one, it contains no facts, and two, I happened to notice the ad for NJlowestbid on the same page as the story. You could have at least moved it to another page so it did not look so obvious....Your a putz too!!! : : May I first respectfully suggest that you learn to read and then read the story again and you just might find a fact or two. Then with your new skills look again at the "ad" you take exception to and you will find that it is a screen capture of NJLowestbid.com's website. Now that you can read just a bit, maybe we could get you to write at an adult level. "You're a putz too!", NOT..."Your a putz too!!!" And last, may I also respectfully suggest that you eat my putz. You would probably like it. Eating Glazers Putz?..Now that is gross! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pride and Glory posted Message 1254 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 30, 2003 at 01:54:06 Subject: Re: St Peter's Prep Not to Get Taxpayer 250K Saint Peter's Prep does much good for the community in Jersey City. Lest we not forget it's innercity HAP programs, and the hours of community service that its students put into their own towns. The school maybe religiously affiliated; however, it does not discriminate against any religion and accept students of any and all religous backgrounds. The school has mandatory religion courses, but students who are not of christian background are exempt and take a different course than others. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Where do we go from here posted Message 1255 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 30, 2003 at 06:55:10 Subject: Building a New Democratic Party The real work of rebuilding the party must begin. Serving the public needs to be addressed and helping rebuilding the county must start. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Save the Taxpayers! posted Message 1256 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : August 30, 2003 at 11:49:11 Subject: Re: St Peter's Prep Not to Get Taxpayer 250K NJ Politicians Now For School Vouchers? By Charles Suldt When Cory Booker, Rhodes Scholar, Yale University Law School graduate and candidate for mayor of Newark, suggested that low-income parents should have the right to choose their children's school, the political establishment acted as if shaken by a seismic shock. Organization politicians raised a hue and cry against school choice. They contended that giving poor children access to educational opportunity somehow violated basic American principles. We were told that allowing parents to use government funding for tuition at religious schools would tear asunder the separation of Church and State. These supporters of the public school monopoly hailed what they claimed as the equality of the current system. They maintained that using public money for private schools would heighten and worsen social and class distinctions and would be just about the same thing as establishing a caste system. For these self-charged champions of the American Way, the practical reality of wide slices of the population condemned to poverty by failed schools was sad indeed, but, at the same time, a necessary and unavoidable sacrifice for the greater good. This high anxiety concerning educational vouchers resulting in the destruction of America civilization seems to have disappeared like the morning dew. The good news is that two prominent New Jersey's political figures have come out for your tax dollars supporting religious schools. The bad news is that the poor need not apply. Through the efforts of a pair of the top New Jersey Democrats, Senate Co-President Richard J. Codey (Essex) and Senate Minority Leader Bernard F. Kenny (Hudson), New Jersey taxpayers now will fund two of the state's elite Catholic high schools – Seton Hall Prep of West Orange and Saint Peter's Prep of Jersey City. Thanks to Senator Codey, Seton Hall Prep is to get $250,000 for renovations. Senator Kenny made possible an additional $250,000 for a new sports training field at Saint Peter's Prep. Parents pay $9,430 annually to send a son to Seton Hall Prep (neither school admits female students). The school boasts of a $13,000,000 endowment fund with a goal of $25,000,000. Among the former students are a Ford Motor Company vice-president and a New Jersey State Supreme Court justice. A visitor viewing the vast expanse of the wooded grounds and mansions of the Seton Hall Prep campus could be forgiven for imagining having been transported from New Jersey and even from the twenty-first century; one seems to have stepped into a vision of a deep South plantation manor house of a time before the Civil War. The hard working parents of Newark and Irvington, even though they never can hope to send their children to Seton Hall Prep, now will send their tax dollars there. Saint Peter's Prep charges $6,250 each year per student. The campus is set in Paulus Hook, an exclusive section of the Downtown Jersey City Waterfront. In 1995, a large portion of the school's complex of buildings benefited from a "multi-million dollar facelift." The current fund-raising drive has so far succeeded to the tune of $6,500,000 with a goal of $10,000,000. Among the collection of ambitious projects the school seeks to underwrite is “the construction of a new facility in Sea Bright, NJ.” How many of the hard working taxpayers of Jersey City can even hope to own property at the Shore? Saint Peter's Prep's president Father Keenan explains that as at the present time the proposed athletic field is a vacant lot, the landscaping will yield "green space" that all of Jersey City may enjoy. Presumably, we are supposed to believe that with the many empty lots in Jersey City, it was chance, not favoritism, that resulted in the choice of this particular location for beautification on the taxpayer’s tab. The two-acre site is one block from the school and very close to the Liberty State Park – where the public is allowed entry. It’s clear that this particular location is valuable to Saint Peter’s. What’s rather blurry, since Liberty State Park is just a stroll away, is the urgent need that the general population of Jersey City feels for “green space” within shouting distance of a Catholic high school. And actually, as the athletic field is to consist of artificial turf, defining it as “green space” is at the very least a stretch of the imagination – if not a contradiction in terms. In a spirit of benevolence, Saint Peter’s allows that the possibility exists of others being granted permission to use this little field of dreams at those times when Saint Peter's Prep students have no need of it. In the 1960's, through the generosity – direct and indirect – of Hudson County political boss (and Saint Peter's Prep alumnus), John V. Kenny, the school added an impressive modern building on Warren Street. After a fashion, this Catholic high school has enjoyed a long tradition of taxpayer support. A life-long resident who worked for the City of Jersey City during the reign of J.V.K. reported that a crew of City employees was assigned to "The Little Guy's project," as the Saint Peter's Prep construction site then was known. (John V. Kenny's nick-name was "The Little Guy.") This was during an era of deferred maintenance for Jersey City's public schools and municipal buildings that produced a downward spiral of decay. Convicted and jailed Jersey City Mayor Thomas Whelan sent his son to Saint Peter’s Prep. Jersey City police were forced to act as chauffeurs, driving young Whelan back and forth each day. Nathan Lane, star of stage and screen, is a Saint Peter’s Prep graduate. In the same ‘70s class as the nascent Broadway comedian was the son of a high ranking Union City official – until the entire family faded away by entering the Federal witness protection program. (For a little while, he was the only guy in the whole school permitted to attempt a beard. Apparently, the whiskers were intended as a disguise. You see, real life gamblers aren’t necessarily a bunch of lovable Damon Runyon characters, like in Guys and Dolls.) These quarter-million dollar Trenton plums come at time of slashed support for public schools that results in shrinking programs and teacher lay-offs. Plus, the actual legality of direct government subsidies to religious schools is questionable. The Supreme Court decided in favor of vouchers to parents who then might choose to use the funds for parochial tuition. But what the Supreme Court allows is government money going first to the family, not straight to an institution with a religious affiliation. Two Saint Peter's Prep students are Senator Bernard Kenny's sons, as luck would have it. State Senator Kenny was the bearer of the sad tidings concerning the State aid cuts to Jersey City. Bernard Kenny provided the crocodile tears while telling Mayor Glenn Cunningham that the money just was not there. It appears that, when motivated, Senator Kenny is capable of miracles. : State withholding $500,000 in aid for two Roman Catholic schools : The Associated Press : 8/29/2003, 7:42 a.m. ET : TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — The state has delayed the release of $500,000 that was set aside for two Roman Catholic high schools at the behest of two state lawmakers. : The decision announced Thursday came as the American Civil Liberties Union was planning to seek a temporary restraining order to block the grants, claiming it was a violation of the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state. However, the state agreed to withhold the funds before Superior Court Judge Andrew Smithson could rule on the issue. : The money was to be evenly divided between St. Peter's Preparatory School in Jersey City and Seton Hall Preparatory School in West Orange, two all-boys schools that planned to use the funds for capital improvements. It was added to the state budget June 15 — two weeks before the spending plan was adopted — at the request of Sen. Bernard Kenny, D-Hudson, and Democratic Senate President Richard Codey, who represents Essex County. : Codey said he was annoyed that the ACLU would challenge the expenditure, noting that he also worked to get a $100,000 state grant for the Jewish Community Center in West Orange 10 years ago when it was engaged in a capital expansion project. : "I've fought hard and have been able to win money for the Jewish Community Center and numerous African-American churches for social programs," Codey told The Star-Ledger of Newark for Friday's editions. "Whether it is Seton Hall or somewhere else, they service children of all religions." : Kenny, who sits on the Budget and Appropriations Committee, has also said there was nothing improper about the grant. One of his sons attends St. Peter's and another has graduated from the school. : St. Peter's officials plan to put the money toward a $2 million artificial-turf playing field across the street from the school, while Seton Hall Prep wants to put its share toward a $2.2 million expansion project that would include three new classrooms, a doubling in size of its cafeteria and the expansion of the locker room area. : Edward Barocas, senior staff attorney for the ACLU, said the problem is that the money is only going to the two schools and is not available to others. : "It should be noted that funds often flow to religious schools from accepted government programs that are both neutral and generally available to all schools or all students," he said. "These grants, however, are neither neutral toward religion ... nor generally available." : Peter Aseltine, a spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the matter because the state had not yet had a chance to file its response with the court. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sophisticated racism in Atlanta posted Message 1257 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 07:27:09 Subject: SBA Racist Organization for all those that thought it was gone for good. September 1, 2003 Black VC firm sues SBA for alleged bias Kent Hoover Washington Bureau Chief A black-managed venture capital firm filed a $50 million racial discrimination lawsuit against the Small Business Administration because the agency rejected its application to become a Small Business Investment Company. SBICs are privately owned and managed firms that leverage their own capital with government-backed loans to provide equity investments and long-term loans to small businesses. C. Earl Peek, managing partner of Atlanta-based Diamond Ventures, contends his firm met all of the qualifications to be licensed as an SBIC. The reasons the SBA listed for rejecting its application -- that the management team did not have enough venture capital experience and its business plan was flawed -- are "a pretext for discrimination," Peek says. Peek, a former senior commercial lender for the Atlanta Economic Development Corp., supports his racial bias argument by contending that no black-managed firm has been licensed as an SBIC and that less than 5 percent of SBIC financing goes to minority-owned businesses. SBA figures show that minority-owned small businesses accounted for 10.24 percent of all SBIC financings in fiscal 2002 but received only 4.27 percent of the total dollars. Black-owned businesses received only 0.68 percent of all SBIC dollars. Women-owned businesses also received less than 1 percent. Peek's proposed SBIC planned to invest in minority- and women-owned businesses, and in businesses in low-income areas throughout the Southeast. "No matter what the outcome is regarding Diamond Ventures, SBA will need to address the serious disparity and availability of financing to minorities and women, and inner-city, underserved and rural areas," Peek says. The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. SBA has a policy against commenting on pending litigation. Agency officials did say, however, that the SBA is taking steps to increase the flow of venture capital to minority-owned businesses. "The number is not as high as we would like it to be," says Harry Haskins, deputy associate administrator of the SBA's investment division. But more than 25 percent of last year's $2.66 billion in SBIC financing went to low- and moderate-income areas -- a "noteworthy" accomplishment, Haskins says. In addition, SBA's count of minority-controlled SBICs differs from Peek's. Agency records show there are two SBICs where most of the partners are black. In addition, there is one Hispanic-controlled SBIC, three Asian SBICs and eight women SBICs. Many white-controlled SBICs have minorities as partners, the SBA adds. SBA officials have held forums and met with minority venture fund managers to encourage their participation in the SBIC program, Haskins says. "We're actively trying to attract people of color and woman managers," he says. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1258 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 08:12:55 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Casinos in Jersey City posted Message 1259 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 09:39:08 Subject: Create a special district for Casinos in Jersey City In order to promote growth and expand the econmic conditions that will expand growth Jersey City should start a Casino District this would in turn allow for a growth in Arts and Entertainment. If you think about it who really wants to fly in the current enviroment. Jersey City could become the day trippers destination location. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chief Petz posted Message 1260 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 10:39:42 Subject: Re: Create a special district for Casinos in Jersey City : In order to promote growth and expand the econmic conditions that will expand growth Jersey City should start a Casino District this would in turn allow for a growth in Arts and Entertainment. If you think about it who really wants to fly in the current enviroment. Jersey City could become the day trippers destination location. This is about to happen. See the Link for the Press Release. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1261 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 14:37:23 Subject: Tonite on Hudson County's Talking. 911 ceremony plans for Union City and Jersey City, Steve Lipski and Melissa Holloway return for Rd2 concerning the redevelopment of the old Med center site, McCann and Cruz get the green light to run for Freeholder in the 4th dist. all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hoboken Offical Goes Berserk posted Message 1262 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 15:24:10 Subject: Shoes R Dropping Several sources are saying that a high ranking Revenue & Finance city employee had a mental breakdown over the weekend in his Pa home. Completely in the buff and crying uncontrollably when the local authorities arrived, he had ripped apart his house looking for hidden "bugs" that the FBI planted. This individual "M.C." was very friendly with Gerry Lisa who recently plead guilty to federal charges. "M.C." is also a business partner of Hoboken Tax Collector & Developer Louis Piccardo. Anyone have more to this? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1263 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 16:07:01 Subject: The past isn't dead. The past isn't dead. It isn't even the past. William Faulkner ***************** End Of Article ****************** Eat my putz? posted Message 1264 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 20:22:07 Subject: Re: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT : : How Funny! Sounds like sour grapes to me!! Maybe the Freeholders are quivering by AL's ridiculous threats to sue? Here is a quarter and a tissue..Now go tell someone who cares!! You Putz! : : Oh, and Steve....I wonder why you wrote that story? For one, it contains no facts, and two, I happened to notice the ad for NJlowestbid on the same page as the story. You could have at least moved it to another page so it did not look so obvious....Your a putz too!!! : : May I first respectfully suggest that you learn to read and then read the story again and you just might find a fact or two. Then with your new skills look again at the "ad" you take exception to and you will find that it is a screen capture of NJLowestbid.com's website. Now that you can read just a bit, maybe we could get you to write at an adult level. "You're a putz too!", NOT..."Your a putz too!!!" And last, may I also respectfully suggest that you eat my putz. You would probably like it. Eat my putz?? How adult!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fuzzy wuzzy posted Message 1265 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 01, 2003 at 22:32:30 Subject: Re: WWW.NJLOWESTBID.COM HAS A BETTER MOUSE TRAP: IT’S CHEAPER, IT’S BETTER-AND NOBODY WANTS IT : : : How Funny! Sounds like sour grapes to me!! Maybe the Freeholders are quivering by AL's ridiculous threats to sue? Here is a quarter and a tissue..Now go tell someone who cares!! You Putz! : : : Oh, and Steve....I wonder why you wrote that story? For one, it contains no facts, and two, I happened to notice the ad for NJlowestbid on the same page as the story. You could have at least moved it to another page so it did not look so obvious....Your a putz too!!! : : : : May I first respectfully suggest that you learn to read and then read the story again and you just might find a fact or two. Then with your new skills look again at the "ad" you take exception to and you will find that it is a screen capture of NJLowestbid.com's website. Now that you can read just a bit, maybe we could get you to write at an adult level. "You're a putz too!", NOT..."Your a putz too!!!" And last, may I also respectfully suggest that you eat my putz. You would probably like it. : Eat my putz?? How adult!! This is Glazer we are dealing with, you seem surprised. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Short lived Victories posted Message 1266 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 06:58:30 Subject: Time to Expand the Big Tent With the cleaning up of the Hudson County Machine all but certain the Capitol awaits. Soon Mc Greevey will be called to answer for his sins and the void will be filled by a well organized party with a clear message. Can the Hudson County Democratic Party land the candidate for Mc Greevey's spot or will the Democratic party stop expanding? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Over it posted Message 1267 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 07:39:15 Subject: Re: Time to Expand the Big Tent Glazer, get a life! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Not Glazer and I have a life who is Glazer? posted Message 1268 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 07:57:13 Subject: Re: Time to Expand the Big Tent Glazer hardly post here if you check it out most of the time he announces his presence clearly I choose not to because of the threats I have received in the past. : Glazer, get a life! ***************** End Of Article ****************** aa posted Message 1269 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 08:06:34 Subject: Stack did once said! In october 2001, (then candidate to commissioner) Stack told the Jersey Journal: "I firmly believe in only one office for one person. I want to be your full-time mayor and only your mayor. I will never seek a higher office. I will not be a "double dipper" like the other mayors. From the bottom of my heart, Union City comes first." Now Mayor Stack is the Freeholder, Mayor and want to be the Assemblyman. What is next? Congressman perhaps! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hojas posted Message 1270 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 08:59:51 Subject: Re: Stack did once said! : In october 2001, (then candidate to commissioner) Stack told the Jersey Journal: : "I firmly believe in only one office for one person. I want to be your full-time mayor and only your mayor. I will never seek a higher office. I will not be a "double dipper" like the other mayors. From the bottom of my heart, Union City comes first." : Now Mayor Stack is the Freeholder, Mayor and want to be the Assemblyman. What is next? Congressman perhaps! Glazer is now been advised to go after Stack. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Once a Glazer, always a Glazer. posted Message 1271 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 10:11:14 Subject: Re: Time to Expand the Big Tent : Glazer hardly post here if you check it out most of the time he announces his presence clearly I choose not to because of the threats I have received in the past. : : : Glazer, get a life! Whatever you say Steve. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer Fan Club posted Message 1272 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 18:52:58 Subject: Steve Glazer is our Hero Since a great many of the postings are attributed to Steve Glazer I think it has finally come to organizing a fan club so when journalist are threatened for exposing the truth I can stand and say I'm Glazer kind of like the closing scene in Sparticus. The slaves have a champion his name is Glazer forever we will remember his bravery even though his life was threatened. A brave new world of journalism awaits us all as we see the truth revealed. Steve Glazer is our hero. FYI this is not Glazer although in the spirit of Sparticus I'm Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer Fan posted Message 1273 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 18:55:09 Subject: Ode to Glazer or Semitic pet rock Steve is our official semitic pet rock we love to have him around we throw him at situations to break them down to see the truth. The Rock of Truth we shall sing the praises of the Glazer Man the dude of truth righteous man ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hooray for Glazer the Champion of Hudson County posted Message 1274 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 18:56:59 Subject: Glazer I want to name my baby after him If I get pregnant I will name my baby Glazer or Glaze I like Glaze I like Glazed donuts. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glaze Craze posted Message 1275 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 18:59:09 Subject: Glaze Craze the latest fad in Hudson County Join the movement become a Glaze Crazed groupie. Expressions like we love Glazer and I'm Glazer will heard at the meetings. Young women looking to experience a real man should submit photos and medical records. Glazer, Glazer, Glazer he is a hero. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer to father Britney Spears baby posted Message 1276 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 19:01:20 Subject: Britney is a Glaze Crazed chick Yes it s true our own Glazer is soon to become a father of Britney's love child. Britney stated that she just had to have some of that Glaze and there you have it folks the rest of the story. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazers secret admirer posted Message 1277 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 19:03:52 Subject: We love Steve even though Steve is the lover of the Don but no one is supose to know that. The Don was so attracted to Steve that he decided to become his love muffin a real reach around kind of guy. Love is a wonderful thing Steve told the Don its me or the HCDO so the Don left. Even the Don has the Glaze Craze. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steve consults the Pope posted Message 1278 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 19:06:23 Subject: Pope has the Glaze Craze A call from Rome arrived collect as they are cheap asking Glazer for Spiritual Advise and direction. The Pontif felt that his need was great enough to warrant a call for help to Steve Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1279 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 19:14:30 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1280 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 21:00:08 Subject: Re: Steve Glazer is our Hero I WANT TO JOIN !!!! WHERE DO I SIGN UP !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1281 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 02, 2003 at 21:02:41 Subject: My eyes Glaze over . I am laughing so hard at the previous posts. Glazer is indeed a special (sic) person. Thank you poster, who ever you are !! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dmasp posted Message 1282 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 03, 2003 at 01:14:33 Subject: Hudson County Election fraud case Cunningham ally testifies as trial continues in Hudson election fraud case By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com JERSEY CITY, September 2 - A key ally of Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham spent most of the day on the witness stand as the legal challenge to the 31st Legislative District's June primary results continued in Judge Arthur N. D'Italia's Jersey City courtroom today. Bobby Jackson, a longtime Jersey City Democratic activist and a Cunningham adviser, was grilled by Stephen J. Edelstein, an attorney for the Hudson County Democratic Organization, over what role Jackson's political action committee -- the Reform Democratic Committee of Jersey City -- played in the 31st District's legislative elections. Jackson was the second witness called by Edelstein since the trial opened last week. The case was brought by the HCDO and its losing candidates in the 31st District -- state Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith and Assembly incumbents Joseph V. Doria (D-Bayonne) and Elba Perez Cinciarelli (D-Jersey City) -- and seeks to throw out the June primary results because of voting irregularities and excessive spending by Cunningham's team. Cunningham beat Smith in the state Senate primary, and the mayor's Assembly running-mates -- Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone and former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo -- were also victorious. As he did last week with Joseph Cardwell, another Cunningham friend and fundraiser, Edelstein used his examination to lead Jackson through a series of invoices, checks and campaign literature in an effort to establish that the witness's PAC had exceeded the $36,000 contribution limit in helping Cunningham, and that the spending had continued even after a May ruling from Superior Court Judge Thomas P. Olivieri to stop. The HCDO has claimed that PACs run by Jackson and Cardwell served no other purpose but to elect Cunningham's team, and that the PACs essentially functioned as extra campaign accounts for the mayor and his running-mates. Edelstein documented $36,015 in expenses incurred by Jackson's PAC this year when it hired SMDG to design and print several pieces of campaign literature. Questioned about the nature of the literature by Edelstein, Jackson claimed the pieces were intended to help not just Cunningham's legislative ticket, but also candidates running for Democratic county committee seats. But the literature didn't mention the county committee members, Edelstein noted. Jackson also admitted that the cost of postage for the literature was paid by one of Cunningham's two campaign accounts, and said the decision to split the expenditures that way was made by Cardwell. But that claim seemed to contradict a May deposition of Jackson, which Edelstein read back to him. In the deposition, Jackson said he had decided to have Cunningham's campaign committee pay for the postage. Edelstein asked Jackson if he had been lying when he was deposed in May. "I wasn't lying to you. I just wasn't sure," Jackson said, maintaining that Cardwell had in fact made the decision." "I didn't decide who paid for the postage," Jackson added. "I decided who paid for the literature." Edelstein also itemized several other expenditures by Jackson's PAC, including a series of newspaper advertisements during this year's primary campaign season that cost the PAC more than $18,000. The eight ads Edelstein presented were placed either in the Jersey Journal and the Urban Times News. While Jackson is the publisher of the Urban Times News, a Jersey City-based publication that uses often-crude language to attack Cunningham's political opponents, he said he wasn't sure if every check from his PAC to the paper was for advertisements, until Edelstein presented him with records that stated the checks were for ads. Jackson also verified that his PAC had hired a number of staffers and consultants with close ties to Cunningham --including the mayor's wife and a high-level aide in his administration. In perhaps the clearest illustration of the interwoven relationships between the various pro-Cunningham accounts the HCDO alleges, Edelstein identified a $21,931 invoice from May for three pieces of campaign literature to be paid by the Cunningham Democratic Team, one of two Cunningham campaign accounts. But the invoice was actually paid by the mayor's other campaign account -- Cunningham for Senate 2003 -- while the literature itself listed Jackson's Reform Democratic Committee of Jersey City as having paid for the printing. Jackson said his PAC was listed on the literature because it had been printed prior to the court order blocking Jackson's PAC from further campaign spending. Jackson said he told Cardwell that the invoice could not be paid by Jackson's PAC, but had no idea why Cunningham's campaign had ended up paying it. Time ran out before attorneys for Cunningham's team could cross-examine Jackson, who is set to resume his testimony on Wednesday. Late in the day, Edelstein seemed to catch Jackson -- and Cunningham's lawyers -- by surprise when he produced a copy of an anonymous one-page flier that was circulated in the 31st District on primary day. The flier carried a copy of the Jersey Journal's masthead, and purported to detail a court decision to impose a suspended sentence on Smith, Cunningham's opponent, for an altercation he had been in weeks earlier. The flier was false, as no charges had ever been filed against Smith, the Jersey City Council President. After a lengthy sidebar, Edelstein was permitted to ask Jackson about the flier. Jackson said he had seen it on primary day, but denied having any involvement in producing or distributing it. Edelstein also asked Jackson if a writer for the Urban Times News had been involved in producing the flier. Angelo J. Genova, Cunningham's attorney, noted that the flier had not been previously submitted and that the writer's name had not been included on a list of witnesses. Several sources close to each side indicated that the HCDO attorneys believe they are in possession of a tape that may implicate Jackson and the writer in creating the flier. Jackson's testimony brought to light how well-orchestrated and centralized the efforts of his PAC and Cardwell's PAC were in conjunction with the Cunningham campaign, an HCDO representative said after today's session. "I think it was proven today that they were in a political mode," said Roger Jones, a Smith campaign advisor. "Everything that they were spending was geared towards that 31st District race." But Manzo, who sat through last week's court session and today's, saw the proceedings differently. "I'm starting to get susp-icious and think this is just an attempt to hurt us in November, and maybe to help the Republicans so that [the HCDO] can get another crack at it," he said. The testimony about how Cunningham's campaign was financed deals with the second count in the HCDO's contest of the election. The first count addresses the HCDO's charges of voting irregularities. Earlier in the day, Judge D'Italia indicated he would have been willing to dismiss that count in Smith's case against Cunningham, since Cunningham's margin of victory exceeded the number of voters the HCDO is questioning, but withheld a ruling because Cunningham's lawyers had come up with about 800 names of voters who could also be disqualified under the HCDO's standard. Added to the HCDO's list, that would theoretically be enough votes to change the result of the Senate race. If he decides not to add the 800 names to the HCDO's total, then D'Italia seemed to indicate it's likely he'll dismiss the first count against Cunningham. The Assembly results are closer, but it appears the first count in Perez-Cinciarelli's case may be in jeopardy if the 800 names aren't added. Cunningham's attorneys seemed to present evidence that would dismiss enough of the HCDO's voter challenges to make Perez-Cinciarelli's deficit larger than the number of votes that could be thrown out. But D'Italia indicated the evidence is still subject to review. Steve Kornacki can be reached at kornackinj@aol.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1283 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 03, 2003 at 11:22:50 Subject: Our hero strikes again ? Is Glazer being naughty again ? From politicsnj.com : Late in the day, Edelstein seemed to catch Jackson -- and Cunningham's lawyers -- by surprise when he produced a copy of an anonymous one-page flier that was circulated in the 31st District on primary day. The flier carried a copy of the Jersey Journal's masthead, and purported to detail a court decision to impose a suspended sentence on Smith, Cunningham's opponent, for an altercation he had been in weeks earlier. The flier was false, as no charges had ever been filed against Smith, the Jersey City Council President. After a lengthy sidebar, Edelstein was permitted to ask Jackson about the flier. Jackson said he had seen it on primary day, but denied having any involvement in producing or distributing it. Edelstein also asked Jackson if a writer for the Urban Times News had been involved in producing the flier. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Kennelly posted Message 1284 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 03, 2003 at 14:39:21 Subject: Re: Chakotay = Jim Kennelly = DeGise S U C K UP Hi-- I was told someone is online in these forums called "Chakotay" and that they are a supporter of the County Executive. I think that's great. But for the record, I don't post here under my own name or any assumed name, be it Chakotay or anything else. So whoever wants to get hysterical over me or my support of a good friend and a decent person in Tom DeGise, can just email me at: jkennelly@hudsoncountynj.org. Just have the guts to use your real name. I certainly always do. Always a pleasure. Jim Kennelly : Chakotay - AKA Jim Kennelly : If Tom Degise ever stopped short - you would literally be up his a** - : You Short little twirp - : You are nothing more than a S U C K UP : Judgement day is coming for You , Kenny & Menendez ! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pepsi posted Message 1285 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 04, 2003 at 08:11:35 Subject: A short story 1487. Twas 3 heads it had..... by SSSSSSSSSSin, 9/3/03 16:55 ET The triumpheret had 3 heads. Three heads. It went for a soda; This political machine. As twoheads bent for change, the third went for a straw. And whence he supped on the straw he drew in not Coca-Cola but his other two heads.He reveled in the flavor, and drank full until he was self-consumed. His last act? A burp. A burp. And so it goes with all powerful poliotical machines. They self-feed unto self-destruction. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Albert Camus posted Message 1286 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 04, 2003 at 12:51:36 Subject: Re: A short story : 1487. Twas 3 heads it had..... : by SSSSSSSSSSin, 9/3/03 16:55 ET : The triumpheret had 3 heads. Three heads. It went for a soda; This political machine. As twoheads bent for change, the third went for a straw. And whence he supped on the straw he drew in not Coca-Cola but his other two heads.He reveled in the flavor, and drank full until he was self-consumed. His last act? A burp. A burp. And so it goes with all powerful poliotical machines. They self-feed unto self-destruction. Deep. Really friggin' deep. : ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR posted Message 1287 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 04, 2003 at 14:21:29 Subject: Re: A short story bizarre! ***************** End Of Article ****************** SPANKY posted Message 1288 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 04, 2003 at 17:07:46 Subject: GAYNOR GANG BANGS NANCY PULLS TRAIN FOR HCDO. TOM STILL WAITING FOR PAY. BLACK BALLED BY DEGISE. IGNORED BY BRETT. HATED BY ALL. NO WONDER THEY ARE SO SMALL AND BITTER. JIM KENELLY WAITING FOR SLOPPY SECONDS.TOM FRESH OUT OF V PILLS NOW SHAKING HANDS WITH UNEMPLOYED. TOM CANT MEASURE UP OR PERFORM AND THAT IS WHY NANCY WOULD RATHER BE WITH LYNN AND GET LUBED AND LOADED AT SAME TIME. MORE FUN THAT WAY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1289 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 04, 2003 at 17:23:02 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dreamcast posted Message 1290 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 04, 2003 at 18:56:51 Subject: RE: A short story : bizarre! Bizarre?, Of course it is... it's Steve Glazer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** mike dicosmo posted Message 1291 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 11:11:02 Subject: Van wagenen ave When are they going to clean up the corner of van wagenen and sip ave.Drive by there on a friday or saturday night and you will see what i am talking about,there are a group of 20 guys hanging out drinking in public bvlasting there radios and selling drugs. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fly on the wall posted Message 1292 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 18:40:22 Subject: Re: Our hero strikes again ? Word is the evidence is huge. Could this be the end to Bobby Jackson and Steve Glazer? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cunningham for Govenor if he can remain as Mayor posted Message 1293 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 19:02:59 Subject: Glenn for Govenor as long as he stays the Mayor Is it possible to be the Mayor, Senator, and Govenor at one time well in the case of GlennCunningham why not? Of course this sounds rude to suggest it but I'm sure he would make a great Govenor as he has served as a great Mayor. From Greenville to the Govenor's Mansion and American sucess story built on truth and fair play kind of the reverse of what we have now in the Govenor's office. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mc Greevey(Lucy) and Menendez(Ricky) should leave office posted Message 1294 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 19:05:36 Subject: The Lucy McGreevey show and the Ricky Menendez Leave and run and hide before the real leaders come and get you Congressman you are a shame. Mc Greevey leave and do the same. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I loath Lucy and Ricky posted Message 1295 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 19:07:44 Subject: Lucy you got a lot of xplaining to do Hello Lucy this is your big Latin Lover Ricky Menendez coming home so get ready. Make sure you and the other girls in Trenton clean the place up before Glenn Cunningham comes to serve the will of the people. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Recall Menendez and Mc Greevey posted Message 1296 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 19:10:06 Subject: Vote Yes for the Recall and Yes for Glenn Cunningham Throw the bums out of office Menendez and McGreevey. Lets clean house and make the honor of the office be reflective of the people that hold that office. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I do not like Mc Greevey or Green Eggs and Ham posted Message 1297 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 19:11:49 Subject: Sam I am I will not vote for Mc Greevey in house, not with a mouse, not in a chair I do not like him anywhere ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sam I am posted Message 1298 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 19:14:58 Subject: Not with goat , not in a moat I do not like Mc Greevey Throw him out before the sxink gets to bad, no wait the Feds have the goods on him already so all we really need to do is wait. Target Letters are flying and soon they will land on the doorstep of the evil govenor of maybe Skywalker can save the state. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sam Iam not Glazer posted Message 1299 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 19:16:52 Subject: The power of One standing against the evil Empire The Evil Empire of McGreevey and Menendez has started to fall apart soon the Great Skywalker will come to Trenton to free the captive taxpayers and voters robbed by the rulers of the evil empire. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1300 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 20:54:52 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Union County Reporter posted Message 1301 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 21:44:42 Subject: Re: CUNNINGHAM CITES BOOTH FOR ETHICAL VIOLATIONS Tell me about his old law partner, Robert E. Barry, for he is now the Union County Counsel, vincentlehotsky@aol.com, the Union County Reporter ***************** End Of Article ****************** Vincent Lehotsky posted Message 1302 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 21:50:20 Subject: Robert E. Barry, County Counsel The person who was formerly your county counsel, is now my county counsel. He just became the counsel the Freeholder Board of Union County. I am the guy from the public who attends every county meeting. How is Robert ??? Is he good ??? You can always e-mail me the stuff that cannot be published here. Til then. http://www.geocities.com/unioncountyreporter/index2.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** MOe JOe posted Message 1303 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 21:51:36 Subject: Re: The power of One standing against the evil Empire That's okay ..you are entitled to your opinion. You see Glazer is a dirt bag, worthless piece of $h1t ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1304 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 22:26:47 Subject: Re: Robert E. Barry, County Counsel Bob Barry is a great choice .. if you want someone who will turn a blind eye while the County Executive sells his office to the highest bidder. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1305 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 05, 2003 at 22:29:59 Subject: Re: Glenn for Govenor as long as he stays the Mayor Obviously Glenn hasn't confiscated all the drugs in the City. You obviously are taking some powerful stuff. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1306 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 05:02:13 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Baghdad on the Hudson posted Message 1307 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 08:31:12 Subject: Javier Inclan HCDO Pick for County Clerk "After careful consultation with a wide range of party leaders, it became clear that Javier Inclán was the kind of bright, young person we needed to fill the void caused by Janet's untimely passing," said Chairman Kenny. "He will bring energy and commitment to this important leadership post in government and help us grow stronger as a party after the loss of such a beloved member of our Democratic family. I am hopeful that the membership of the County committee will share this view." . . . He first entered public office in 1998, when he was elected to the Guttenberg School Board. Two years later, he was elected to the Town Council. Inclán has served as a member of Governor James E. McGreevey's transition team's Committee on Higher Education and currently serves as Executive Director of the Hudson County Democratic Organization. He is a member of the Latin Kiwanis Club. If elected, Inclán will focus on the modernization of the Clerk's office with an emphasis on exploring new technology. "We don't have to reinvent the wheel, but we can make it spin a little faster," he said. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 1308 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 09:14:34 Subject: Re: Steve Glazer is our Hero : I WANT TO JOIN !!!! WHERE DO I SIGN UP !!! : So here's where you're hiding, you little devil! ***************** End Of Article ****************** JP Morgan posted Message 1309 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 10:42:54 Subject: Re: Steve Glazer is our Hero Glazer is in hiding...the end is near! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hojas posted Message 1310 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 10:51:08 Subject: Re: Javier Inclan HCDO Pick for County Clerk Congrats to Javier Inclan! A great job for a great person. Ignore the post above butt-boy Glazer is just a wee bit JEALOUS! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Union City First posted Message 1311 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 18:02:26 Subject: Anyone from Union City Here? Hey any Union City resident reading this board. Want to know inside information of Union City Politics and corruption. check the link below. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Union City First posted Message 1312 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 18:03:54 Subject: Anyone from Union City Here? Hey any Union City resident reading this board. Want to know inside information of Union City Politics and corruption. check the link below. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO TITANTIC posted Message 1313 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 18:21:39 Subject: Javier Inclan HCDO PUPPET THE TRUTH -- Fresh from his Federal Grand Jury Appearences Hudson County Democratic Chairman Bernard Kenny announces the latest member of the HCDO / TITANTIC ill fated Crew. Javier Inclán publically stated "We don't have to reinvent the wheel" THANK YOU JAVIER FOR SUCH INSIGHT. Pathetic is an understatement. THEY ARE DOOMED ! : "After careful consultation with a wide range of party leaders, it became : clear : that Javier Inclán was the kind of bright, young person we needed to fill : the : void caused by Janet's untimely passing," said : Chairman Kenny. "He will bring energy and commitment to this important : leadership post in government and help us grow stronger as a party after the : loss of such a beloved member of our Democratic family. I am hopeful that : the : membership of the County committee will share this view." : . . . : He first entered public office in 1998, when he was elected to the : Guttenberg : School Board. Two years later, he was elected to the Town Council. Inclán : has served as a member of Governor James E. McGreevey's transition team's : Committee on Higher Education and currently serves as Executive Director of : the Hudson County Democratic Organization. He is a member of the Latin : Kiwanis Club. : If elected, Inclán will focus on the modernization of the Clerk's office : with an : emphasis on exploring new technology. "We don't have to reinvent the wheel, : but we can make it spin a little faster," he said. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1314 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 18:28:22 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** JPS posted Message 1315 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 19:09:03 Subject: Re: Glazer UTN puppet Puppet=GLAZER ***************** End Of Article ****************** Muppet Objects posted Message 1316 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 19:17:01 Subject: Re: Glazer UTN puppet You cannot blaim him he likes having a hand up his puppet. : Puppet=GLAZER ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazed Nuts posted Message 1317 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 19:20:13 Subject: We Love Stevey and wish all the best for him Think about it real hard isn't Glazer the best journalist of all time. Well I think so he has stood against his life being threatened and I imagine will again considering the amount of corruption he is uncovering. A small Glazer fact did you know Steve invented the fee fee bag? ***************** End Of Article ****************** ucfirst posted Message 1318 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 20:27:19 Subject: Inside Union City The latest political gossips! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1319 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 20:42:46 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Another HCDO Voter - YUCK posted Message 1320 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 06, 2003 at 21:05:11 Subject: Congrats on New Addition Chakotay Congrats on the New Addition to the Family. : Bob Barry is a great choice .. if you want someone who will turn a blind eye while the County Executive sells his office to the highest bidder. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Anthony Should Be Ashmed posted Message 1321 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 12:33:24 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Message Board. : Welcome to the Message Board. I knew from the Schundler days at City Hall. For you to allow your site to become a hi-tec URBAN Times News is displcable. You allow slander and smut from Glazer and Jackson and say well anyone can post here but not everyone can lower themselves to attack families, call names, repeat sexual rumors, play racist politics etc. Only the skum. Now I see you advertise in the UTN so all pretense is over. You are now one of Jackson's boys and we know it and won't forget it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** God Forgives All posted Message 1322 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 14:54:49 Subject: Peter Weiss Has Died Is this true. If so God Rest His Soul. ***************** End Of Article ****************** A very good post from NJO.com posted Message 1323 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 18:59:33 Subject: Re: Peter Weiss Has Died 1492.1. Bow your heads and pay homage by BlondeBlur, 9/7/03 18:07 ET Re: Peter Weiss Passed On by restlNpeace, 9/7/03 Just heard that Peter Weiss passed away. Whether you agreed with his views or not, his column was one of the best and only reasons to read the Jersey Journal. His passing is a great loss to Hudson County and his commentary will be sorely missed, especially during this upcoming controversial freeholder race. Peter's death should also remind us all to take a moment to remind ourselves not only of the fragility of human life, but that the politicians and candidates and others whose opinions and characters are attacked on this forum (and elsewhere) are people too. They are not simply mindless, souless objects that exist for us to vent our frustrations toward or to vilify, but they ARE human beings with feelings who are loved by their families and friends and they should be respected as such by those who seek intelligent, rational discussion of the issues at hand. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I hate Peter Weiss Glad he is gone posted Message 1324 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 19:29:36 Subject: Re: Peter Weiss Has Died Jersey Journal allowed tons of corrupt activity to go un-reported for years Peter Weiss was part of it. Someone should check to see if he wasn't passed on with some help considering the nature of his relationship with the corrupt members of the HCDO. : 1492.1. Bow your heads and pay homage : by BlondeBlur, 9/7/03 18:07 ET : Re: Peter Weiss Passed On by restlNpeace, 9/7/03 : Just heard that Peter Weiss passed away. Whether you agreed with his views or not, his column was one of the best and only reasons to read the Jersey Journal. His passing is a great loss to Hudson County and his commentary will be sorely missed, especially during this upcoming controversial freeholder race. Peter's death should also remind us all to take a moment to remind ourselves not only of the fragility of human life, but that the politicians and candidates and others whose opinions and characters are attacked on this forum (and elsewhere) are people too. They are not simply mindless, souless objects that exist for us to vent our frustrations toward or to vilify, but they ARE human beings with feelings who are loved by their families and friends and they should be respected as such by those who seek intelligent, rational discussion of the issues at hand. ***************** End Of Article ****************** My dog died I'm upset posted Message 1325 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 19:32:51 Subject: Who cares if Peter died So if all the stories and tales of corruption they refused to publish over the years where added up the Corrupt idiots of the HCDO would have been thrown out years ago. Peter Weiss helped keep corruption in office and assisted in the robbery of the voters a poor example of what a journalist should stand for ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1326 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 21:07:47 Subject: Re: Who cares if Peter died I am assuming only a graceless nitwit like Glazer could post something like this. The poorest excuse for a journalist is you Steve. Ironic that you have damned yourself with your own words. ***************** End Of Article ****************** chakotay posted Message 1327 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 21:11:35 Subject: Re: Peter Weiss Has Died You Cunningham slimeballs hated Peter Weiss cause he told it like it was. That Cunningham and the UTN play the race card at every opportunity. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Robin posted Message 1328 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 21:38:50 Subject: To; My Dog died I'm.... Go to he11 ...and at least I have the gutts to use my real name! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Not Glazer you are crazy posted Message 1329 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:22:24 Subject: Re: Who cares if Peter died No not Glazer you are nuts go to he11 : I am assuming only a graceless nitwit like Glazer could post something like this. The poorest excuse for a journalist is you Steve. Ironic that you have damned yourself with your own words. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Robin is not a real name posted Message 1330 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:23:40 Subject: Re: To; My Dog died I'm.... Tell the truth your name is Dorothy and your not in Kansas. : Go to he11 ...and at least I have the gutts to use my real name! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Good and Dead posted Message 1331 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:25:08 Subject: Re: Peter Weiss Has Died Thank God the supporters of the corrupt now have to answer to a higher authority I'm sure it is hot where he is : You Cunningham slimeballs hated Peter Weiss cause he told it like it was. That Cunningham and the UTN play the race card at every opportunity. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Shame is in Supporting Corruption from the HCDO posted Message 1332 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:27:07 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Message Board. No shame on you for supporting the Corruption that has taken from everyone and enriched the few. You are a supporter of liars : : Welcome to the Message Board. : I knew from the Schundler days at City Hall. For you to allow your site to become a hi-tec URBAN Times News is displcable. You allow slander and smut from Glazer and Jackson and say well anyone can post here but not everyone can lower themselves to attack families, call names, repeat sexual rumors, play racist politics etc. Only the skum. Now I see you advertise in the UTN so all pretense is over. You are now one of Jackson's boys and we know it and won't forget it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dorothy in OZ posted Message 1333 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:30:47 Subject: A Political Hack like Weiss thank God no more all things being equal Jersey Journal will have one less person to not cover real corruption and lie for its politcal buddies like the HCDO. Stealing from the people has to come to an end in this case nature took it is part of the great circle of life. Born with hope and dreams the Jersey Journal has turned to soil and I hope it does not get to rank. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dirt Bag Glazer posted Message 1334 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:33:53 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Message Board. : No shame on you for supporting the Corruption that has taken from everyone and enriched the few. You are a supporter of liars : : : Welcome to the Message Board. : : I knew from the Schundler days at City Hall. For you to allow your site to become a hi-tec URBAN Times News is displcable. You allow slander and smut from Glazer and Jackson and say well anyone can post here but not everyone can lower themselves to attack families, call names, repeat sexual rumors, play racist politics etc. Only the skum. Now I see you advertise in the UTN so all pretense is over. You are now one of Jackson's boys and we know it and won't forget it. And you Steve are pond scum. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Thank God for Glazer a real journalist posted Message 1335 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:34:25 Subject: Glazer should be nominated for a Pulitzer Award Against threats of death Glazer reported the crime and corrruption of the HCDO Peter Weiss did not. I thought telling the truth was part of being a reporter. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I do not care posted Message 1336 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 07, 2003 at 23:36:26 Subject: Re: Glazer should be nominated for a Pulitzer Award You are a bad person stop speaking about Glazer : Against threats of death Glazer reported the crime and corrruption of the HCDO Peter Weiss did not. I thought telling the truth was part of being a reporter. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1337 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 00:11:08 Subject: A Nobel Prize would be better Don't they have a Nobel Prize for the best sycophant ? And besides being a sycophant he's a lying, cheating nere-do-well. He's perfect. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay Go Away posted Message 1338 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 00:36:51 Subject: I'm not Glazer but I know Glazer and think he is cool How is it that your failure to witness the perfection of Glazer is so heavily documented. Glazer should run for office and steal and cheat that way you would find him acceptable. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Reprint posted Message 1339 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 08:01:57 Subject: Peter Weiss Politicos respond to news of Weiss's passing Monday, September 08, 2003 By Agustin C. Torres Journal editorial page editor Peter Weiss died Saturday, and some of the most powerful men and women in politics cried when they heard of his passing. From our Advertisers The third-ranking democrat in the House of Representatives, U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, called The Jersey Journal from Cambridge, Mass., to say he was shocked. Menendez began to talk about how Weiss loved to remind him about how they first met - Menendez had just graduated high school and Weiss was covering Union City City Hall. "Yeah, I served him coffee as an aide in the mayor's office and asked 'How much sugar and cream, Mr. Weiss?'" said Menendez, who then began to sob. "We lost what amounts to the national archives for Hudson County, a county icon and institution. Presidents and governors who were running for office and came to Hudson County knew that it was paramount that they talk to Peter. Even people who have been caught on the edge of Peter's criticism, generally with humor, still have a great affection for him - as have I." New Jersey's U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg said he was deeply saddened at the loss of the man and talent. "Peter Weiss is the picture that we will all miss," Lautenberg said of the photo that accompanies his Political Whirl column. "He had an impish manner, in addition to being so beguiling as he probed so deeply. It was also deceiving because he sometimes wrote something you didn't expect. After you read the column, you knew it was right, and you always wished you hadn't said it." State Assemblywoman Joan Quigley, D-Jersey City, echoed the sentiments of others. "Peter Weiss was a remarkable reporter because he was trustworthy. Readers could trust him. If a politician asked him to keep something in confidence, he did, and that is rare these days, and, of course, he was also always amusing. He was universally liked and for anyone at any phase in politics, that's highly unusual." Paul Byrne, a political consultant and a controversial figure on the county political scene, was distraught over the passing of the columnist, who he called a close friend. "I spent more than 30 years, fighting with him, laughing with him, eating with him, and even when he was whacking the hell out of me - I enjoyed it," Byrne said. "In all my years in politics, no one had more of an impact in Hudson politics. No matter what side you were on, we all felt the same way about Peter. My heart goes out to his wife, Margaret Schmidt, and The Jersey Journal." Jim McQueeny, a News Channel 12 political analyst and president of the public relations firm Winning Strategies, knew Weiss when they both started as rivals on the North Hudson beat for competing newspapers. An emotional McQueeny called Weiss one of those Damon Runyon-types of newspaper men and women who had "fountain pens of steel and hearts of gold." "The sweetest-hearted guy in the toughest goddamn business covering politics in Hudson County," McQueeny said. "My first day on the job in journalism I was working for the Hudson Dispatch, and I met him when he was covering one of his first jobs for The Jersey Journal. I had to compete against the guy, and he beat my brains out with just shoe leather and I wondered how such good news stories came out in such a tough place to get news. While I was getting a beating, he would always have lunch with me the next day and he'd tell me how he got to me and the journalistic techniques. We became such good friends. He was my best man at my wedding some years later. "How someone covering politics in Hudson County for 30 years was able to retain credibility is by itself a triumph, and how he can do that and be such a kind soul is amazing." Hudson County Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons said news of Weiss's death immediately spread throughout the state. "Peter was a friend before I became an elected official," Fitzgibbons said. "He knew how to keep the relationship between a reporter and legislator who was a friend. I sometimes turned to him to ask his opinion on legislation, because I respected him." Hoboken Mayor David Roberts said Weiss's Political Whirl column was an essential institution. "You always wanted your name in Peter's column, it was that important," Roberts said, then laughed, adding, "And when he criticized you, it hurt. I feel we lost a close friend." One of the younger members of the Hudson political scene who appreciated Weiss as a person was Union City Mayor Brian Stack, who is convinced the columnist's perspective can never be duplicated. "No one will take his place," said Stack. "Even when I was mad, and I called him, he always had a knack of keeping me in perspective as to what was important in life." Freeholder Bill O'Dea considered himself a close friend of Weiss. "It's not often that a political reporter calls a political official a friend or a political official calls a political reporter a friend," O'Dea said. "That's how it was with me and Pete. It didn't mean that he always agreed with you." Hudson County Executive Tom DeGise recalled how in 1989 he first ran for political office and made the runoff for a City Council seat. "I lost the election, but I did make Peter Weiss's column," DeGise said. "When I read my name there I knew I had arrived." Lois Shaw, former Jersey City councilwoman, said she couldn't believe Weiss was gone. "I received an e-mail from him not long ago concerning an upcoming Harry Chapin concert. We're both big Chapin fans." Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham reacted by issuing a statement. "Peter over the many years became the identity of The Jersey Journal," Cunningham said. "Myself and all of the people of Jersey City whom he helped keep informed for so many years will miss him. We wish our strongest condolences to his family, colleagues and friends." Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith called Weiss's life a literary masterpiece that you hated to see end. "He spoke his mind and had a grasp of politics beyond that of any other reporter here," Smith said. Former Jersey City Mayor Anthony R. Cucci felt the same way, saying Weiss had a scholarly grasp of his subject with great insight. Cucci recalled a column Weiss wrote about the death of his wife, who was killed in a terrorist attack on a train during a trip to Peru. "What Pete wrote was so beautiful, yet objective, and so full of humanity that it transcended political partisanship," Cucci said. "I'll never forget it." Columnist Earl Morgan contributed to this article. ***************** End Of Article ****************** TS posted Message 1340 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 08:37:18 Subject: Kenny's Leg office for HCDO use! FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:  September 5, 2003 CONTACT: Katherine Cardino, (201) 653-1466 County Democrats Tap Javier Inclán to Succeed the late Janet Haynes as County Clerk, Nominee Would be First Hispanic to Hold Countywide Office (Hoboken), NJ) - Hudson County Democratic Chairman Bernard F. Kenny Jr. announced today that Guttenberg Councilman Javier Inclán will be the party leadership's choice for County Clerk when County Democratic Committee members meet Tuesday, September 9th, to choose a successor to the late Janet Haynes.  If elected, Inclán, 32, would become the first Hispanic to hold Countywide office in Hudson.  Approximately 40 percent of the County's population is Hispanic. "After careful consultation with a wide range of party leaders, it became clear that Javier Inclán was the kind of bright, young person we needed to fill the void caused by Janet's untimely passing," said Chairman Kenny.  "He will bring energy and commitment to this important leadership post in government and help us grow stronger as a party after the loss of such a beloved member of our Democratic family.  I am hopeful that the membership of the County committee will share this view." Haynes was re-nominated in the June Democratic Primary to serve a third five- year term but passed away in July at the age of 70 after being hospitalized for treatment of complications caused by a long battle with diabetes. "No one will replace Janet Haynes, but I am proud and honored to be given this opportunity to succeed her," said Inclán.  "I believe that my selection as the first Hispanic to serve in Countywide office is a testament to the openness and diversity of today's Hudson County Democratic Organization.  I am looking forward to working hard every day." Raised in Guttenberg, Inclán graduated from North Bergen High School and earned a B.A. in History from William Paterson College.  His managerial experience includes stints as Assistant Executive Director of the West New York Housing Authority and Director of Admissions at Monroe College in New York. He first entered public office in 1998, when he was elected to the Guttenberg School Board.  Two years later, he was elected to the Town Council.  Inclán has served as a member of Governor James E. McGreevey's transition team's Committee on Higher Education and currently serves as Executive Director of the Hudson County Democratic Organization.  He is a member of the Latin Kiwanis Club. If elected, Inclán will focus on the modernization of the Clerk's office with an emphasis on exploring new technology.  "We don't have to reinvent the wheel, but we can make it spin a little faster," he said. Across Hudson County, top Democrats are praising the selection of Javier Inclán for County Clerk:  "Janet Haynes' passing was a terrible loss for Hudson County," said County Executive Thomas A. DeGise.  "Still people should be heartened by the fact that Javier Inclán will work his butt off for the people of Hudson County - and he'll make them proud, whether they are Democrats, Republicans or Independents." "Janet Haynes was a legend and pioneer as the Hudson County Clerk, always conducting herself with the dignity and respect the office and title deserve," said Congressman Bob Menendez (D-NJ-13).  "Although there is no candidate that can replace Janet, I am confident that Javier Inclán will bring a new spirit and enthusiasm to the post, guiding the office into a new era of service and efficiency for all of the residents of Hudson County.  Javier is intelligent and energetic, and, as the first Latino countywide candidate, he will continue to open doors and create inroads for our growing and changing communities.  I look forward to working with him throughout this campaign season, onto victory, and through an exciting term." If selected by the County Committee membership next Tuesday, Inclán is likely to be recommended to the State to become the interim replacement for Janet Haynes, whose second term does not expire until December 31, 2003. ***************** End Of Article ****************** INVESTIGATE KENNY posted Message 1341 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 10:52:03 Subject: Kenny Uses PUBLIC FUNDS for Politics HOW DARE KENNY USE HIS TAXPAYER FUNDED OFFICE FOR HIS POLITICAL HACKS -- TYPICAL KENNY. The Phone Number in the Press Release is paid for by our Tax Dollars !!!!!!! US ATTORNEY - PLEASE HELP !!!!!! : : FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:  September 5, 2003 : CONTACT: Katherine Cardino, (201) 653-1466 : County Democrats Tap Javier Inclán to Succeed the late Janet Haynes as : County Clerk, Nominee Would be First Hispanic to Hold Countywide : Office : (Hoboken), NJ) - Hudson County Democratic Chairman Bernard F. Kenny Jr. : announced today that Guttenberg Councilman Javier Inclán will be the party : leadership's choice for County Clerk when County Democratic Committee : members meet Tuesday, September 9th, to choose a successor to the late Janet : Haynes.  If elected, Inclán, 32, would become the first Hispanic to hold : Countywide office in Hudson.  Approximately 40 percent of the County's : population is Hispanic. : "After careful consultation with a wide range of party leaders, it became : clear : that Javier Inclán was the kind of bright, young person we needed to fill : the : void caused by Janet's untimely passing," said : Chairman Kenny.  "He will bring energy and commitment to this important : leadership post in government and help us grow stronger as a party after the : loss of such a beloved member of our Democratic family.  I am hopeful that : the : membership of the County committee will share this view." : Haynes was re-nominated in the June Democratic Primary to serve a third : five- : year term but passed away in July at the age of 70 after being hospitalized : for : treatment of complications caused by a long battle with diabetes. : "No one will replace Janet Haynes, but I am proud and honored to be given : this : opportunity to succeed her," said Inclán.  "I believe that my selection as : the first : Hispanic to serve in Countywide office is a testament to the openness and : diversity of today's Hudson County Democratic Organization.  I am looking : forward to working hard every day." : Raised in Guttenberg, Inclán graduated from North Bergen High School and : earned a B.A. in History from William Paterson College.  His managerial : experience includes stints as Assistant Executive Director of the West New : York Housing Authority and Director of Admissions at Monroe College in : New York. : He first entered public office in 1998, when he was elected to the : Guttenberg : School Board.  Two years later, he was elected to the Town Council.  Inclán : has served as a member of Governor James E. McGreevey's transition team's : Committee on Higher Education and currently serves as Executive Director of : the Hudson County Democratic Organization.  He is a member of the Latin : Kiwanis Club. : If elected, Inclán will focus on the modernization of the Clerk's office : with an : emphasis on exploring new technology.  "We don't have to reinvent the wheel, : but we can make it spin a little faster," he said. : Across Hudson County, top Democrats are praising the selection of Javier : Inclán for County Clerk:  "Janet Haynes' passing was a terrible loss for : Hudson : County," said County Executive Thomas A. DeGise.  "Still people should : be heartened by the fact that Javier Inclán will work his butt off for the : people of : Hudson County - and he'll make them proud, whether they are Democrats, : Republicans or Independents." : "Janet Haynes was a legend and pioneer as the Hudson County Clerk, always : conducting herself with the dignity and respect the office and title : deserve," said : Congressman Bob Menendez (D-NJ-13).  "Although there is no candidate that : can replace Janet, I am confident that Javier Inclán will bring a new spirit : and : enthusiasm to the post, guiding the office into a new era of service and : efficiency for all of the residents of Hudson County.  Javier is intelligent : and : energetic, and, as the first Latino countywide candidate, he will continue : to : open doors and create inroads for our growing and changing communities.  I : look forward to working with him throughout this campaign season, onto : victory, and through an exciting term." : If selected by the County Committee membership next Tuesday, Inclán is : likely : to be recommended to the State to become the interim replacement for Janet : Haynes, whose second term does not expire until December 31, 2003. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Because of the Grand Jury posted Message 1342 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 10:56:27 Subject: Menendez began to Sob....... Mennedez began to sob ...... Whats the real reason Boss Bob is sobbing ? ? ? Evenyone knows Menendez cares only about himself - BOB MUST HAVE A PROBLEM. : : Politicos respond to news of Weiss's passing : Monday, September 08, 2003 : : By Agustin C. Torres : : Journal editorial page editor : Peter Weiss died Saturday, and some of the most powerful men and women in politics cried when they heard of his passing. : : From our Advertisers : : : : The third-ranking democrat in the House of Representatives, U.S. Rep. Robert Menendez, D-Hoboken, called The Jersey Journal from Cambridge, Mass., to say he was shocked. Menendez began to talk about how Weiss loved to remind him about how they first met - Menendez had just graduated high school and Weiss was covering Union City City Hall. : "Yeah, I served him coffee as an aide in the mayor's office and asked 'How much sugar and cream, Mr. Weiss?'" said Menendez, who then began to sob. : "We lost what amounts to the national archives for Hudson County, a county icon and institution. Presidents and governors who were running for office and came to Hudson County knew that it was paramount that they talk to Peter. Even people who have been caught on the edge of Peter's criticism, generally with humor, still have a great affection for him - as have I." : New Jersey's U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg said he was deeply saddened at the loss of the man and talent. : "Peter Weiss is the picture that we will all miss," Lautenberg said of the photo that accompanies his Political Whirl column. "He had an impish manner, in addition to being so beguiling as he probed so deeply. It was also deceiving because he sometimes wrote something you didn't expect. After you read the column, you knew it was right, and you always wished you hadn't said it." : State Assemblywoman Joan Quigley, D-Jersey City, echoed the sentiments of others. : "Peter Weiss was a remarkable reporter because he was trustworthy. Readers could trust him. If a politician asked him to keep something in confidence, he did, and that is rare these days, and, of course, he was also always amusing. He was universally liked and for anyone at any phase in politics, that's highly unusual." : Paul Byrne, a political consultant and a controversial figure on the county political scene, was distraught over the passing of the columnist, who he called a close friend. : "I spent more than 30 years, fighting with him, laughing with him, eating with him, and even when he was whacking the hell out of me - I enjoyed it," Byrne said. "In all my years in politics, no one had more of an impact in Hudson politics. No matter what side you were on, we all felt the same way about Peter. My heart goes out to his wife, Margaret Schmidt, and The Jersey Journal." : Jim McQueeny, a News Channel 12 political analyst and president of the public relations firm Winning Strategies, knew Weiss when they both started as rivals on the North Hudson beat for competing newspapers. An emotional McQueeny called Weiss one of those Damon Runyon-types of newspaper men and women who had "fountain pens of steel and hearts of gold." : "The sweetest-hearted guy in the toughest goddamn business covering politics in Hudson County," McQueeny said. : "My first day on the job in journalism I was working for the Hudson Dispatch, and I met him when he was covering one of his first jobs for The Jersey Journal. I had to compete against the guy, and he beat my brains out with just shoe leather and I wondered how such good news stories came out in such a tough place to get news. While I was getting a beating, he would always have lunch with me the next day and he'd tell me how he got to me and the journalistic techniques. We became such good friends. He was my best man at my wedding some years later. : "How someone covering politics in Hudson County for 30 years was able to retain credibility is by itself a triumph, and how he can do that and be such a kind soul is amazing." : Hudson County Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons said news of Weiss's death immediately spread throughout the state. : "Peter was a friend before I became an elected official," Fitzgibbons said. "He knew how to keep the relationship between a reporter and legislator who was a friend. I sometimes turned to him to ask his opinion on legislation, because I respected him." : Hoboken Mayor David Roberts said Weiss's Political Whirl column was an essential institution. "You always wanted your name in Peter's column, it was that important," Roberts said, then laughed, adding, "And when he criticized you, it hurt. I feel we lost a close friend." : One of the younger members of the Hudson political scene who appreciated Weiss as a person was Union City Mayor Brian Stack, who is convinced the columnist's perspective can never be duplicated. "No one will take his place," said Stack. "Even when I was mad, and I called him, he always had a knack of keeping me in perspective as to what was important in life." : Freeholder Bill O'Dea considered himself a close friend of Weiss. "It's not often that a political reporter calls a political official a friend or a political official calls a political reporter a friend," O'Dea said. "That's how it was with me and Pete. It didn't mean that he always agreed with you." : Hudson County Executive Tom DeGise recalled how in 1989 he first ran for political office and made the runoff for a City Council seat. "I lost the election, but I did make Peter Weiss's column," DeGise said. "When I read my name there I knew I had arrived." : Lois Shaw, former Jersey City councilwoman, said she couldn't believe Weiss was gone. "I received an e-mail from him not long ago concerning an upcoming Harry Chapin concert. We're both big Chapin fans." : Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham reacted by issuing a statement. : "Peter over the many years became the identity of The Jersey Journal," Cunningham said. "Myself and all of the people of Jersey City whom he helped keep informed for so many years will miss him. We wish our strongest condolences to his family, colleagues and friends." : Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith called Weiss's life a literary masterpiece that you hated to see end. "He spoke his mind and had a grasp of politics beyond that of any other reporter here," Smith said. : Former Jersey City Mayor Anthony R. Cucci felt the same way, saying Weiss had a scholarly grasp of his subject with great insight. : Cucci recalled a column Weiss wrote about the death of his wife, who was killed in a terrorist attack on a train during a trip to Peru. "What Pete wrote was so beautiful, yet objective, and so full of humanity that it transcended political partisanship," Cucci said. "I'll never forget it." : Columnist Earl Morgan contributed to this article. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1343 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 13:23:09 Subject: County Executive, Tom DeGise: Glenn Cunningham's crew mucked up the County stable. COUNTY OF HUDSON OFFICE OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE BRENNAN COURT HOUSE 583 NEWARK AVENUE JERSEY CITY, NEW JERSEY 07306 PHONE: 201-795-6200 FAx:201-714-4825 ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1344 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 13:32:36 Subject: Show topics for tonite The Passing of Peter Weiss, So far on short notice Bret Schundler and Bill O'Dea will share some Pete Weiss storys i'm sure one or 2 more people will also guest, 911 plans for this Thursday and all the other stuff i talk about 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Missuse of County Funds posted Message 1345 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 13:49:14 Subject: DeGise Squanders Tax Dollars on Political Letter How Dare Tom DeGise use our Tax Dollars on such blatant, vicious political letters. : COUNTY OF HUDSON : OFFICE OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE : BRENNAN COURT HOUSE : 583 NEWARK AVENUE : JERSEY CITY, NEW JERSEY 07306 : PHONE: 201-795-6200 : FAx:201-714-4825 ***************** End Of Article ****************** ?????????? posted Message 1346 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 14:01:07 Subject: Re: DeGise Squanders Tax Dollars on Political Letter Dear Know it all, So you feel the letter sent out in our tax bill from Cunningham was okay? ***************** End Of Article ****************** HudsonObserver posted Message 1347 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 14:42:06 Subject: Re: DeGise Squanders Tax Dollars on Political Letter That's right because the postage for the Cunningham letter was already paid for with the tax bills. It piggybacked on the tax mailing. No added cost except for the paper it was printed on. What was the postage bill for the DeGise letter? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jersey City Must Seperate from Hudson County posted Message 1348 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 16:02:39 Subject: HCDO has gone too far this time Jersey City must seperate from Hudson County ASAP so as to save itself from the robbery of the HCDO and its corrupt buddies. Letters and accounting aside how is one to judge the true state of the fiscal situation when the corrupt run a good piece of it. Jersey City should be a seperate county . ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer-Urban Times News posted Message 1349 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 17:12:13 Subject: UNCLE HARVEY LOSES SAME ELECTION TWICE-COURT KICKS HARVEY’S CASE OUT OF ELECTION CHALLENGE By Steven Glazer-Urban Times News-email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** The tide will turn and you will drown posted Message 1350 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 17:18:00 Subject: Stevie,stevie,stevie...... You are in such deep $hit. What will you do when the truth comes out? ***************** End Of Article ****************** JCNJ posted Message 1351 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 19:07:29 Subject: Pete Weiss Peter Weiss, Journal editor, columnist, dies Monday, September 08, 2003 By Patricia Donnelly Assistant managing editor Peter Weiss, The Jersey Journal's longtime political editor and columnist, died at New York University Medical Center Saturday from complications after heart surgery. For three decades, Weiss's keen observations chronicled Hudson County politics. He savored the scene as a chess player who took delight in anticipating the next moves. For him, though, it was the progression of the game that was most fascinating, not the end result. "Being a political writer for The Jersey Journal is as crucial and influential a position as being the theater critic for the New York Times. Peter Weiss carried this tremendous responsibility with good humor and sparkling wit. He was always respected and admired," said Steven Newhouse, editor-in-chief of The Jersey Journal. "In a political world where years of alliances and feuds create a byzantine web of intrigue, it takes a tremendous intelligence and keen sense of history just to decipher what is happening. Peter had a powerful combination of years of covering the beat, combined with a relentless curiosity and fascination that kept him fresh. Weiss loved the irony in reporting on the ever-changing alliances, poking fun as arch enemies kissed and made up. The Political Whirl column was usually crafted with several short items, but there were annual favorites like his holiday gift list and quizzes. His simple word choice belied the fine quality of his writing, which was always fluid and graceful. Weiss's reputation as an expert in the local political scene reached well beyond the county, however, and consultants on a state and national level would seek him out for his perspective on the local scene. "The Jersey Journal and the community have lost a dear friend and an invaluable resource," Judy Locorriere, editor of The Jersey Journal, said. "Peter brought so much to every relationship, whether personal or professional, and asked for so little in return. "He worked so hard at making this newspaper as good as it could be, often postponing vacations or working from his home on days off so that the paper wouldn't miss a news story. "His wife, Managing Editor Margaret Schmidt, liked to say they were the managing editor team, because he was our library, our fact checker and our integrity standard. "And he was a incomparable personal friend. Whether he was asking about my children and their triumphs and disappointments or asking if I could find a place for another friend's child as an intern at the paper, he was always selfless. And he was devoted to his wife, Margaret. We will all miss him so much." In addition to the column, which appeared three times a week, he also covered county government and local elections and assigned and edited stories on municipal meetings by the newspaper's correspondents. His knowledge of political maneuvers over the last three decades was invaluable, as was his expertise in the process of local elections, both the legal aspects and the more notorious shenanigans. When he left work on Aug. 19 for heart surgery, he said only half-jokingly that he had scheduled it between meetings of the county board of freeholders. "The Journal will not be the same without Peter," Scott Ring, publisher of the paper, said. "I would look forward to reading his column, because I knew I could trust what he said. I knew he would have the real story." It was in The Jersey Journal newsroom that Weiss, relaxed with his feet on the desk, gathered information for his column by taking calls from his many sources. Relaxed also described him sartorially: He preferred blue jeans and T-shirts but would occasionally pull a tie from his bottom drawer for a television appearance. Weiss came to The Jersey Journal in 1970 after having worked at the New York Post and Long Island Press. Born in Brooklyn, he was a graduate of Erasmus Hall High School and Long Island University. In 1996, he surprised more than a few friends by trading in his confirmed bachelor status to marry Schmidt. In his private life, he was a man of simple pleasures, preferring time at their Montclair home with Margaret and their dog, Mystery, enjoying a morning walk to the store for newspapers. An occasional day at the race track, closely following college and professional sports, a tidbit of political gossip, a mystery novel or a cold bottle of cream soda were among his greatest delights. He also loved folk music, crossword puzzles and trips to New Hampshire. He is remembered, too, as a man of great kindness. "He had a heart of gold and truly cared about the little people," said Ron Leir, a Jersey Journal editor and president of the Hudson County Newspaper Guild. "He went out of his way to do favors for them." Weiss had been an active member of the Hudson County Newspaper Guild, having once served as president and in the days when the union had a softball team, Weiss was the pitcher, Leir recalled. Another former staffer recalled a generous offer Weiss made in his behalf: "When The Jersey Journal was going through some tough times last year, I was among the staffers who would be leaving the paper as part of an agreement between the union and management," said John Petrick, a former Jersey Journal reporter now working for The Record of Bergen County. "When Pete found out, he took me aside and proceeded to tell me he would give up his job so I could stay, if that's what I wanted. I couldn't believe the gesture. Except it wasn't even a gesture. He really meant it. For a guy who didn't like to indulge in gushy displays of emotion, he had the biggest heart. And for someone so smart and with such an important job, he never took himself too seriously, either. I could still always just be silly and stupid in the newsroom with him. He had a great sense of fun." Weiss was anxious to return to his desk and reminded his wife on Saturday of a list of issues the newspaper had to cover in the coming days. He'd already started writing his first column in his head. It was going to be datelined "Hiatus," he said, referring to the note the paper had run every day his column was missing: "Peter Weiss is on hiatus." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Albert Camus posted Message 1352 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 19:25:49 Subject: Re: DeGise Squanders Tax Dollars on Political Letter : That's right because the postage for the Cunningham letter was already paid for with the tax bills. It piggybacked on the tax mailing. No added cost except for the paper it was printed on. What was the postage bill for the DeGise letter? Funny how you don't dispute a thing that was said in the letter, just the fact it was sent. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Toni posted Message 1353 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 20:04:04 Subject: Re: Menendez began to Sob....... Vigorous disagreement is expected, but curses and insults are not allowed! Obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, and threatening messages are forbidden! All off topic and libelous posts will be erased! No ads are permitted in this Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** toni posted Message 1354 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 20:04:43 Subject: Re: A Political Hack like Weiss thank God no more Vigorous disagreement is expected, but curses and insults are not allowed! Obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, and threatening messages are forbidden! All off topic and libelous posts will be erased! No ads are permitted in this Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Toni posted Message 1355 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 20:05:18 Subject: Re: Who cares if Peter died Vigorous disagreement is expected, but curses and insults are not allowed! Obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, and threatening messages are forbidden! All off topic and libelous posts will be erased! No ads are permitted in this Board! ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR is a liar posted Message 1356 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 22:25:22 Subject: Re: Stevie,stevie,stevie...... Seems you have gotten ahead of yourself do not count your chickens before they hatch. Count the Target Letters your friends are getting. I believe the count is going to approach 150 soon maybe you will be next. : You are in such deep $hit. : What will you do when the truth comes out? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Miss Crabtree posted Message 1357 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 22:45:20 Subject: Lern ta spel !! It's SEPARATE moron !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1358 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 22:49:36 Subject: Way to go Tom !!! Kick em where it hurts !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** J.P. Satre posted Message 1359 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 22:52:45 Subject: Re: DeGise Squanders Tax Dollars on Political Letter : That's right because the postage for the Cunningham letter was already paid for with the tax bills. It piggybacked on the tax mailing. No added cost except for the paper it was printed on. What was the postage bill for the DeGise letter? The money would have been far better spent on ads in the Urban Times or maybe a fat Joe rap concert. Or maybe another black something or another junket for Glenn, Sandy, Gene and entourage to go no. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1360 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 22:52:56 Subject: Sorry, I'm here to stay. I'll find Steve acceptable when he moves to Siberia. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1361 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 22:58:26 Subject: I wonder if Glazer ... would have the guts to call Council President Smith "Uncle Harvey" to his face ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Miss Crabtree posted Message 1362 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 23:03:22 Subject: Don't hold your breath. The moderator of this board lets anything go in here. Especially on the part of the UTN Brigade. ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR posted Message 1363 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 23:04:52 Subject: Re: Stevie,stevie,stevie...... Now that is funny..My chickies have hatched an' they ez' laying me some fine eggs! Here chickie, chickie, chickie! And a target letter for me? Cool! ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR posted Message 1364 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 23:06:56 Subject: Re: DeGise Squanders Tax Dollars on Political Letter Sizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzle..your hot JPS. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BEAVER posted Message 1365 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 23:38:55 Subject: Re: Sorry, I'm here to stay. NO ,NO. NOT SIBERIA! NOT YET THE FUN HAS JUST BEGUN. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I have read some of the posts posted Message 1366 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 08, 2003 at 23:47:01 Subject: Peter Weiss Concerning Peter Weiss. All I can say is that the viciousness towards him & each other is appalling. I will say this about Peter though. Though Peter no longer lived in Jersey City, he still continued his life here. No matter how objective he as a reporter was supposed to be, it is inevitable that a part of him made it into what he wrote. As I am sure is the case with many of us, sometimes I agreed with him & sometimes I thought he was off somewhere in left field...sleeping. But I looked for those columns just to see what his spin was. Either way, he accomplished his goal...make us laugh, make us so mad as to crumble up the paper & throw it across the room, make us think. I, for one, will miss him. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cunningham is a Republican posted Message 1367 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:02:53 Subject: Republican takeover plans Sine the Democratic Organization of Hudson County has allowed itself to become rich dumb and corrupt the only organized party is the Republicans. I suggest that one start to gather the dirt on this party since they will be just as dirty as the HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer is a Republican posted Message 1368 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:04:38 Subject: Glazer is Deep Throat Scary to think about but true Glazer worked for the Nixon Administration and arranged the Watergate breakin Glazer is deep throat. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazers cover story uncovered posted Message 1369 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:06:11 Subject: Grassy Knoll Glazer In Dallas one summer day on a grassy knoll Steve Glazer waited for the signal then fired upon the only hope this country had at the time. Glazer the man on the grassy knoll. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer is the second cousin of the Don posted Message 1370 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:07:49 Subject: Glazer has family ties to Scarinci Did you know that the Don is really half Italian the other half is Glazer's uncle Glazer and the Don are cousins. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer and the blackout posted Message 1371 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:09:11 Subject: Where was Glazer during the blackout the question arises where was Glazer during the blackout I wonder if he had something to do with it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** A Made Man posted Message 1372 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:09:56 Subject: Glazer has family ties to Scarinci In that case Steve is a "Made" man. : Did you know that the Don is really half Italian the other half is Glazer's uncle Glazer and the Don are cousins. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Uncle Harvey's love child posted Message 1373 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:11:19 Subject: Glazer is the love child of Uncle Harvey Adopted by the Glazer family Steve is the love child of Uncle Harvey. All this attention garnered by Uncle Harvey is Glazers way of saying love me daddy love me. A cry for self a cry for love of a parent. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mc Greevey and Glazer posted Message 1374 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:12:35 Subject: Glazer was a room mate o Mc Greevey in college During college Glazer and McGreevey shared a dorm room it was there they discovered the joy on man love. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cunningham for Govenor as a Republican posted Message 1375 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:15:25 Subject: Cunningham for Govenor McGreevey is out Cunninghma could be in as Govenor if the HCDO got its head out of its a$$ and supported this new and exciting candidate. If they fail to do this then they are going to have to live with the Republicans because Cunningham is an acceptable candidate for that party since he is clean and not corrupt. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Not Really posted Message 1376 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:17:30 Subject: Re: Glazer has family ties to Scarinci Technically no since to be made one has to be full blood Sicilian even Gotti was not made he was of Naples exstract. So Gotti was not the don they thought he was just a boss a regular fieldhand nothing important. : In that case Steve is a "Made" man. : : Did you know that the Don is really half Italian the other half is Glazer's uncle Glazer and the Don are cousins. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cunningham was won our freedom from corruption posted Message 1377 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 08:40:46 Subject: Cunninghams victory is one for all people As a uniter not a divider Cunningham can and will represent the interest of all the people. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1378 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 09:10:47 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Luca Brazzi posted Message 1379 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 09:20:41 Subject: The Godfather I guess Cunningham made Glazer an offer he couldn't refuse. ***************** End Of Article ****************** David Duke posted Message 1380 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 09:24:14 Subject: Welcome Glenn !!! Always room for one more racist in the Republican Party !! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bob Dole posted Message 1381 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 09:28:02 Subject: The Party of Lincoln Never fear. With stalwarts like Jose Arango, Charley Catrillo and Frank Gargiulo dirt will be very easy to find. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ward Cleaver posted Message 1382 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 09:32:43 Subject: Clemency Ok Beaver, we won't send Stevie to Siberia just yet. ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR is an idiot posted Message 1383 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 11:10:26 Subject: Re: Stevie,stevie,stevie...... Lawyer liar it is all the same the way they twist the truth to met there own needs. Target letter you are not worth the effort probably cheated on the BAR if you passed it. : Now that is funny..My chickies have hatched an' they ez' laying me some fine eggs! Here chickie, chickie, chickie! : And a target letter for me? Cool! ***************** End Of Article ****************** SEPARATE moron posted Message 1384 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 11:11:25 Subject: Re: Lern ta spel !! You got the message you idiot : It's SEPARATE moron !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Beaver posted Message 1385 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 11:39:14 Subject: Re: Clemency Thanks Clem! ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR posted Message 1386 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 12:09:57 Subject: Re: Stevie,stevie,stevie...... Bar/c0cktail.. sounds good to me! : Lawyer liar it is all the same the way they twist the truth to met there own needs. Target letter you are not worth the effort probably cheated on the BAR if you passed it. : : Now that is funny..My chickies have hatched an' they ez' laying me some fine eggs! Here chickie, chickie, chickie! : : And a target letter for me? Cool! ***************** End Of Article ****************** June Cleaver posted Message 1387 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 12:56:32 Subject: Ward - You were Very Hard on the Beaver Last Nite LOL ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wolfman posted Message 1388 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 14:50:06 Subject: Lower than Losers Only Gaynors. Looking up at zero. Nothing is lower than a Gaynor. Bwaaah! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Beaver posted Message 1389 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 15:14:47 Subject: Re: Ward - You were Very Hard on the Beaver Last Nite LOL ***************** End Of Article ****************** Eddie Haskell posted Message 1390 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 16:22:20 Subject: The little punk got what he deserved. Ya know, Glazer reminds me of a cross between Lumpy and Larry Mondello. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Beaver posted Message 1391 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 17:14:24 Subject: Re: The little punk got what he deserved. No, Glazer isn't good enough to hang with that group. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Minister of Sinister, Master of Disaster, and Buddha of Tolerance posted Message 1392 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 21:10:10 Subject: Glenn Cunningham Republican Candidate for Govenor It seems the HCDO has created an enemy one that will leave the party ans switch to Republican. After all the racist treatment Glenn has recieve who could blaim him. With the Democratic party being a cash and carry affair with no real votes open to the public Cunningham is required to appeal to the voters via the Republican Party. Now this concept might seem strange to Democrats but the voters should actually choose the candidate and the govenor oh and one last thing no dead people get to vote this time. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Man love the road to the Govenors Mansion posted Message 1393 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 21:16:03 Subject: The Story of Mc Greevey's secret alliances Many years ago in a town some where in New Jersey a young man envisioned a day when all people would be free and have equal access to government. That young man was hit by a car but his friend young McGreevey ran for govenor and won. Now the guy hit by the car was rendered a crippled and placed on public assistance. As luck would have it the poor delivery of services To be continued tune in next week ***************** End Of Article ****************** Roger Chugh posted Message 1394 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 21:20:05 Subject: Top Aid to Mc Greevey Being a top is very interesting in the East Village sense. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Heard it in the courtroom posted Message 1395 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 21:29:52 Subject: Re: Stevie,stevie,stevie...... Who is the idiot Glazer? you? Let's go to the tape! ***************** End Of Article ****************** herbert posted Message 1396 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 22:06:27 Subject: go bret go go bret go, in 2005 ***************** End Of Article ****************** J.P. Sartre-Translation posted Message 1397 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 09, 2003 at 22:31:42 Subject: Re: Glenn Cunningham Republican Candidate for Govenor : It seems the HCDO has created an enemy one that will leave the party ans switch to Republican. After all the racist treatment Glenn has recieve who could blaim him. With the Democratic party being a cash and carry affair with no real votes open to the public Cunningham is required to appeal to the voters via the Republican Party. Now this concept might seem strange to Democrats but the voters should actually choose the candidate and the govenor oh and one last thing no dead people get to vote this time. This is Ebonics. It contains a clear threat pf switcing parties by the Mayor if his demands are not met. Thats what I get anyway.Whole sections are written in a vernacular I am not familiar with. Thanks for sharing. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted Message 1398 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 00:14:58 Subject: Re: go bret go : go bret go, in 2005 ***************** End Of Article ****************** DeGise Screwed Them Too posted Message 1399 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 00:50:10 Subject: Blackballed by Kenny & Menendez : Only Gaynors. Looking up at zero. Nothing is lower than a Gaynor. Bwaaah! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Union City posted Message 1400 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 01:50:17 Subject: Union City Heard that Brian Stack is going to sell the stadium in Kennedy Blvd. Poor people of Union City. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gregor Samsa posted Message 1401 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 08:14:28 Subject: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Hudson The Nightmare terrified me so badly it had wakened me. But now that I was awake I still felt the Terror. Looking out from under the bed I saw Roaches the size of normal people heading out the door dressed in business suits and carrying briefcases on their way to jobs as public officials. Would this never end? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1402 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 08:38:30 Subject: Mayor Cunningham: "...Hudson County government under County Executive Tom DeGise has increased spending and has raised the county tax portion in this tax bill." Hudson County government under County Executive Tom DeGise has increased spending and has raised the county tax portion in this tax bill. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gazette posted Message 1403 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 08:56:00 Subject: Re: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Jersey City : The Nightmare terrified me so badly it had wakened me. But now that I was awake I still felt the Terror. Looking out from under the bed I saw Roaches the size of normal people heading out the door dressed in business suits and carrying briefcases on their way to jobs at the Urban Times News. Would this never end? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gazette posted Message 1404 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 08:58:54 Subject: Re: Stevie,stevie,stevie...... Steven Glazer has got to be the dumbest white man alive! You sold Jackson out! Have you picked up your application at Burger King? ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1405 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 10:07:29 Subject: Observations and Questions County Executive Tom Degise's letter (please see the Link below) reacts to the above communication from Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham to Jersey City property. Comparing the measured and relatively brief statement of Glenn Cunningham on July 10 to the Tom Degise's lengthy and very strongly worded recent letter, it's impossible to call the one a response to the other. What was the point of Tom Degise's verbal drive-by shooting? His opponents quickly say that it was clearly political. I have to wonder, to what end? Tom DeGise can't be worried about his Republcan opponent in November's election. Judge Ditalia's courtroom is the current politcal arena. Rants and broadsides are all wet powder there. Why did County Executive Degise (and/or Jim Kenelly) wait so long to try for a one-up? It's basically been two months since Mayor Cunningham's corrspondence went out with the tax bills. Was the hope that the average person had lost their copy of the note and would get the impression from Tom DeGise's hard words that personal insults were made? And again, why use the present as as the time to escalate and continue a feud? Why -- at taxpayer expense -- did Tom DeGise send the letter out by itself. The County produces all sorts of literature. Why not just slip the two sheets in with that stuff? Some might say that as Jersey City sends out the tax bill, it holds some sort of unfair advantage in communicating with property owners. My suggestion is that Jersey City no longer act as messenger and bill collector for the County and the Board of Education. Those entities should start acting as their own collection agencies. Then, property owners can clearly see with each and every bill where the money is going. Perhaps a brief historical digression won't hurt. In '68, the only real constraint Richard Nixon had on choosing a Vice President was that he had promised to overlook Nelson Rockefeller. Besides that, all he was really looking for was somebody that would not create a negative impression. Spiro Agnew was suggested. As Agnew was a centrist and had a very good reputation for working with minorities, the Nixon camp was overjoyed and happy to offer the governor of Maryland the job. Well into the first term, Pat Buchanan warned Nixon of a challenge from the Right from Wallace. Buchanan advised Nixon to veer strongly to the Reactionary side. Nixon feared that this policy would wind up costing more in Moderates than it gained in Conservatives. Finally it was decided to send Spiro Agnew out as the Conservative Crusader. The Agnew of the Silent Minority that we remember was completely a construct of Pat Buchanan. The Tom DeGise that I remember as City Council President was polite and articulate, balanced and fair. A man who was happy to give his take on things to anybody. Since the 2001 campaign for Mayor of Jersey City, some seem intent that Tom DeGise act as the "Anti-Cunningham." Why is that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** DeGise Over reacted posted Message 1406 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 10:50:00 Subject: DeGise Letter was Crude & Unprofessional I found County Exec. Tom DeGise letter very crude and too political. I am upset that my tax dollars paid for what amounts to nothing more than a political flyer. It is very apparent that DeGise is not the sharpest knife in the drawer - those advising him can't be that bright either. PLEASE - Do not respond to this post calling me Glazer - I AM NOT GLAZER - I am just a taxpayer. : County Executive Tom Degise's letter (please see the Link below) reacts to the above communication from Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham to Jersey City property. Comparing the measured and relatively brief statement of Glenn Cunningham on July 10 to the Tom Degise's lengthy and very strongly worded recent letter, it's impossible to call the one a response to the other. : What was the point of Tom Degise's verbal drive-by shooting? His opponents quickly say that it was clearly political. I have to wonder, to what end? Tom DeGise can't be worried about his Republcan opponent in November's election. Judge Ditalia's courtroom is the current politcal arena. Rants and broadsides are all wet powder there. : Why did County Executive Degise (and/or Jim Kenelly) wait so long to try for a one-up? It's basically been two months since Mayor Cunningham's corrspondence went out with the tax bills. Was the hope that the average person had lost their copy of the note and would get the impression from Tom DeGise's hard words that personal insults were made? And again, why use the present as as the time to escalate and continue a feud? : Why -- at taxpayer expense -- did Tom DeGise send the letter out by itself. The County produces all sorts of literature. Why not just slip the two sheets in with that stuff? : Some might say that as Jersey City sends out the tax bill, it holds some sort of unfair advantage in communicating with property owners. My suggestion is that Jersey City no longer act as messenger and bill collector for the County and the Board of Education. Those entities should start acting as their own collection agencies. Then, property owners can clearly see with each and every bill where the money is going. : Perhaps a brief historical digression won't hurt. In '68, the only real constraint Richard Nixon had on choosing a Vice President was that he had promised to overlook Nelson Rockefeller. Besides that, all he was really looking for was somebody that would not create a negative impression. Spiro Agnew was suggested. As Agnew was a centrist and had a very good reputation for working with minorities, the Nixon camp was overjoyed and happy to offer the governor of Maryland the job. Well into the first term, Pat Buchanan warned Nixon of a challenge from the Right from Wallace. Buchanan advised Nixon to veer strongly to the Reactionary side. Nixon feared that this policy would wind up costing more in Moderates than it gained in Conservatives. Finally it was decided to send Spiro Agnew out as the Conservative Crusader. The Agnew of the Silent Minority that we remember was completely a construct of Pat Buchanan. : The Tom DeGise that I remember as City Council President was polite and articulate, balanced and fair. A man who was happy to give his take on things to anybody. Since the 2001 campaign for Mayor of Jersey City, some seem intent that Tom DeGise act as the "Anti-Cunningham." Why is that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** I am not Glazer posted Message 1407 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 11:08:31 Subject: Re: DeGise Letter was Crude & Unprofessional OKAY GLAZER! : I found County Exec. Tom DeGise letter very crude and too political. I am upset that my tax dollars paid for what amounts to nothing more than a political flyer. : It is very apparent that DeGise is not the sharpest knife in the drawer - those advising him can't be that bright either. : PLEASE - Do not respond to this post calling me Glazer - I AM NOT GLAZER - I am just a taxpayer. : : County Executive Tom Degise's letter (please see the Link below) reacts to the above communication from Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham to Jersey City property. Comparing the measured and relatively brief statement of Glenn Cunningham on July 10 to the Tom Degise's lengthy and very strongly worded recent letter, it's impossible to call the one a response to the other. : : What was the point of Tom Degise's verbal drive-by shooting? His opponents quickly say that it was clearly political. I have to wonder, to what end? Tom DeGise can't be worried about his Republcan opponent in November's election. Judge Ditalia's courtroom is the current politcal arena. Rants and broadsides are all wet powder there. : : Why did County Executive Degise (and/or Jim Kenelly) wait so long to try for a one-up? It's basically been two months since Mayor Cunningham's corrspondence went out with the tax bills. Was the hope that the average person had lost their copy of the note and would get the impression from Tom DeGise's hard words that personal insults were made? And again, why use the present as as the time to escalate and continue a feud? : : Why -- at taxpayer expense -- did Tom DeGise send the letter out by itself. The County produces all sorts of literature. Why not just slip the two sheets in with that stuff? : : Some might say that as Jersey City sends out the tax bill, it holds some sort of unfair advantage in communicating with property owners. My suggestion is that Jersey City no longer act as messenger and bill collector for the County and the Board of Education. Those entities should start acting as their own collection agencies. Then, property owners can clearly see with each and every bill where the money is going. : : Perhaps a brief historical digression won't hurt. In '68, the only real constraint Richard Nixon had on choosing a Vice President was that he had promised to overlook Nelson Rockefeller. Besides that, all he was really looking for was somebody that would not create a negative impression. Spiro Agnew was suggested. As Agnew was a centrist and had a very good reputation for working with minorities, the Nixon camp was overjoyed and happy to offer the governor of Maryland the job. Well into the first term, Pat Buchanan warned Nixon of a challenge from the Right from Wallace. Buchanan advised Nixon to veer strongly to the Reactionary side. Nixon feared that this policy would wind up costing more in Moderates than it gained in Conservatives. Finally it was decided to send Spiro Agnew out as the Conservative Crusader. The Agnew of the Silent Minority that we remember was completely a construct of Pat Buchanan. : : The Tom DeGise that I remember as City Council President was polite and articulate, balanced and fair. A man who was happy to give his take on things to anybody. Since the 2001 campaign for Mayor of Jersey City, some seem intent that Tom DeGise act as the "Anti-Cunningham." Why is that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** DeGise Over Reacted posted Message 1408 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 11:48:35 Subject: Thin Line Between Love & Hate What on earth is wrong with you ? Not every post is from this Glazer guy - I AM NOT GLAZER. You are the one with the Glazer fixation - REMEMBER THERE IS A THIN LINE BETWEEN LOVE & HATE. : OKAY GLAZER! : : I found County Exec. Tom DeGise letter very crude and too political. I am upset that my tax dollars paid for what amounts to nothing more than a political flyer. : : It is very apparent that DeGise is not the sharpest knife in the drawer - those advising him can't be that bright either. : : PLEASE - Do not respond to this post calling me Glazer - I AM NOT GLAZER - I am just a taxpayer. : : : : County Executive Tom Degise's letter (please see the Link below) reacts to the above communication from Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham to Jersey City property. Comparing the measured and relatively brief statement of Glenn Cunningham on July 10 to the Tom Degise's lengthy and very strongly worded recent letter, it's impossible to call the one a response to the other. : : : What was the point of Tom Degise's verbal drive-by shooting? His opponents quickly say that it was clearly political. I have to wonder, to what end? Tom DeGise can't be worried about his Republcan opponent in November's election. Judge Ditalia's courtroom is the current politcal arena. Rants and broadsides are all wet powder there. : : : Why did County Executive Degise (and/or Jim Kenelly) wait so long to try for a one-up? It's basically been two months since Mayor Cunningham's corrspondence went out with the tax bills. Was the hope that the average person had lost their copy of the note and would get the impression from Tom DeGise's hard words that personal insults were made? And again, why use the present as as the time to escalate and continue a feud? : : : Why -- at taxpayer expense -- did Tom DeGise send the letter out by itself. The County produces all sorts of literature. Why not just slip the two sheets in with that stuff? : : : Some might say that as Jersey City sends out the tax bill, it holds some sort of unfair advantage in communicating with property owners. My suggestion is that Jersey City no longer act as messenger and bill collector for the County and the Board of Education. Those entities should start acting as their own collection agencies. Then, property owners can clearly see with each and every bill where the money is going. : : : Perhaps a brief historical digression won't hurt. In '68, the only real constraint Richard Nixon had on choosing a Vice President was that he had promised to overlook Nelson Rockefeller. Besides that, all he was really looking for was somebody that would not create a negative impression. Spiro Agnew was suggested. As Agnew was a centrist and had a very good reputation for working with minorities, the Nixon camp was overjoyed and happy to offer the governor of Maryland the job. Well into the first term, Pat Buchanan warned Nixon of a challenge from the Right from Wallace. Buchanan advised Nixon to veer strongly to the Reactionary side. Nixon feared that this policy would wind up costing more in Moderates than it gained in Conservatives. Finally it was decided to send Spiro Agnew out as the Conservative Crusader. The Agnew of the Silent Minority that we remember was completely a construct of Pat Buchanan. : : : The Tom DeGise that I remember as City Council President was polite and articulate, balanced and fair. A man who was happy to give his take on things to anybody. Since the 2001 campaign for Mayor of Jersey City, some seem intent that Tom DeGise act as the "Anti-Cunningham." Why is that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR posted Message 1409 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 12:17:44 Subject: Re: Sorry, I'm here to stay. : I'll find Steve acceptable when he moves to Siberia. If it is true that Chakotay is here to stay, then WE are sorry. You should go with your bosses to club fed like the good doggie you are. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1410 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 12:19:21 Subject: Re: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Jersey City : : The Nightmare terrified me so badly it had wakened me. But now that I was awake I still felt the Terror. Looking out from under the bed I saw Roaches the size of normal people heading out the door dressed in business suits and carrying briefcases on their way to jobs at the Urban Times News. Would this never end? What do you care what UTN says? Nobody reads it anyway. Why does it disturb you so much that you have to react? ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Kennelly had a worse nightmare posted Message 1411 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 12:20:37 Subject: Re: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Jersey City : : : The Nightmare terrified me so badly it had wakened me. But now that I was awake I still felt the Terror. Looking out from under the bed I saw Roaches the size of normal people heading out the door dressed in business suits and carrying briefcases on their way to jobs at the Urban Times News. Would this never end? : What do you care what UTN says? Nobody reads it anyway. Why does it disturb you so much that you have to react? He awoke under Tom DeGise. The terror was real! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1412 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 12:22:41 Subject: Re: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Jersey City : : : : The Nightmare terrified me so badly it had wakened me. But now that I was awake I still felt the Terror. Looking out from under the bed I saw Roaches the size of normal people heading out the door dressed in business suits and carrying briefcases on their way to jobs at the Urban Times News. Would this never end? : : What do you care what UTN says? Nobody reads it anyway. Why does it disturb you so much that you have to react? : He awoke under Tom DeGise. The terror was real! To him, it was normal, everyday life. He insulated himself by assuming an alter ego and posting anonymously on message boards. It helped him escape the trauma of being himself. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gregor Samsa posted Message 1413 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 12:24:15 Subject: Re: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Jersey City : : : : : The Nightmare terrified me so badly it had wakened me. But now that I was awake I still felt the Terror. Looking out from under the bed I saw Roaches the size of normal people heading out the door dressed in business suits and carrying briefcases on their way to jobs at the Urban Times News. Would this never end? : : : What do you care what UTN says? Nobody reads it anyway. Why does it disturb you so much that you have to react? : : He awoke under Tom DeGise. The terror was real! : To him, it was normal, everyday life. He insulated himself by assuming an alter ego and posting anonymously on message boards. It helped him escape the trauma of being himself. The nightmare would not end. I had become press secretary to a mediocre public official in a corrupt political machine ***************** End Of Article ****************** JHR posted Message 1414 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 12:37:42 Subject: Re: Sorry, I'm here to stay. TWO CAN PLAY THIS GAME! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer-Urban Times News posted Message 1415 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 12:41:35 Subject: I am a troll To all: I know I am a pittiful sap. Look at me.. I am a loser and the only job I could find is being a troll for Bobby Jackson. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Troll Hater posted Message 1416 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:01:18 Subject: Lets play kick the Troll How many kicks does it take to drive a Troll 100 yards? I'm not sure but I've always wanted to find out.. Now that we have an identified troll lets have a contest Kick the Troll. Now this is only suppose to be a joke. Lets do it anyway just for the fun of it maybe we can have a midget wrestling contest as well along with a wet tshirt and jello wrestling festival. Why not go out and find a goat for the Troll. I think Troll is code for cruiser like in the East Village. Glazer is a Troll code word for cruiser. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Undead posted Message 1417 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:06:10 Subject: Cryogenic Voting Services offered by the HCDO Just because your dead does not preclude you from voting as a registered Democrat in Hudson County. The HCDO is now offering Cryogenic Voting Services for the undead. So thing about it get frozen and still find representation. This is trully futuristic of the HCDO people that are brought back to life will have the elected officials they wanted. Rights of the dead are protected. Maybe an amendment will be floated to include dead as part of the peopl. Now a funny thing is there are more dead people than people alive. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Johnson is a Troll Keeper posted Message 1418 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:10:23 Subject: Johnson has a pet Troll The question is what do you get a man that has everything? The answer is a Troll. Now in Johnson's case I would have thought a jungle jim would be enough considering his idol is King Kong. When Johnson was born the doctor slapped his mother. Is it possible the Troll and King Kong are looking for Fay Ray or Jessica Lang. Dark in the basement of the UTN facilities a wonderful starlet is being held captive under the watchful eye of the Troll who serves his evil master King Kong. I would have said I needed another cup of coffee but this one proves I'm way over amped ***************** End Of Article ****************** Martin Jackson posted Message 1419 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:12:44 Subject: Re: Cryogenic Voting Services offered by the UTN : Just because your dead does not preclude you from voting as a registered Democrat in Hudson County. The UTN is now offering Cryogenic Voting Services for the undead. So thing about it get frozen and still find representation. This is trully futuristic of the UTN people that are brought back to life will have the elected officials they wanted. Rights of the dead are protected. Maybe an amendment will be floated to include dead as part of the peopl. Now a funny thing is there are more dead people than people alive. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Roger Dodger and McGreevey want a Troll as well posted Message 1420 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:13:43 Subject: Roger Dodger Roger Dodger close friend to McGreevey has asked for and recieved a loan from the State of New Jersey which upon closing was forgiven. How do you like that a loan given then forgiven how does that happen. Actually if was not the State of New Jersey proper but the backing for the loan that allowed it go through on the banks ledgers. Guess the Bank that forgave the loan and win a prize. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay go away posted Message 1421 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:16:58 Subject: Re: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Jersey City Chakotay is really challenged here having never really woken up only coming to, never going to sleep only passing out. There is a difference between real life and what you think happens outside your head Chakotay. One more hint you idiot get a mirror looking at that picture is making you forget what mess you are. : : : The Nightmare terrified me so badly it had wakened me. But now that I was awake I still felt the Terror. Looking out from under the bed I saw Roaches the size of normal people heading out the door dressed in business suits and carrying briefcases on their way to jobs at the Urban Times News. Would this never end? : What do you care what UTN says? Nobody reads it anyway. Why does it disturb you so much that you have to react? ***************** End Of Article ****************** SGLAZER posted Message 1422 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:18:17 Subject: Re: I Awoke Under My Bed in a Place Called Jersey City Whatever you say Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay=Dufus posted Message 1423 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:19:40 Subject: Chakotay=Dufus Chakotay you are an idiot on a large scale. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Martin Jackson posted Message 1424 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:22:14 Subject: I'm an idiot If you have seen my postings you realize I'm a total idiot but thats OK because my best friend tells me everything is OK. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Foot in mouth posted Message 1425 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 13:41:28 Subject: Re: I'm an idiot OK is your best friend your left hand? OK ?ok! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1426 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 14:18:44 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1427 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 14:33:18 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1428 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 16:32:59 Subject: Ok I'll admit it I'm stupid and corrupt and work for the HCDO Ok if the truth be known I'm an operative for the HCDO I get paid to watch this board and try to take the edge off of the real truth. Basically I achieve this by telling lies but mostly by detracting from the person telling the truth. So it is a bad thing to help liars like the HCDO but I get paid very well and do nothing but bother people that post on boards its a great job. By the way I'm paid in a no show job guess which Agency. If you could get away with it you would do it to. Just so you know I do not believe a single thing I post. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1429 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 16:34:59 Subject: I'm a six hundred pound bull dike Last time I left the house was in 1957 I think is was raining anyway I have all my food shipped in and look at Cosmo all day. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Roger Chugh posted Message 1430 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 16:37:35 Subject: I'm taking all your money and you cannot stop me I'm laughing all the way to the bank you poor idiots paying taxes to get me richer. I thought America was the land of fortune but this is sick really sick I basically steal lots of money and do nothing but hang out with McGreevey. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Don Scarinci posted Message 1431 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 16:42:00 Subject: So what I'm a crook but everyone loves me With all the money I have hidden offshore I can pay to have people love me. I have enough to keep everybody in Jersey City kissing my rear end for decades. Just so you know they will never find a penny of what I have taken they can look as long as they want. I'm rich and I took it from you so its your tough luck. I'm laughing at you right now. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Minister of Sinister posted Message 1432 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 16:44:23 Subject: Last night I had dinner with our beloved Congressman As is the norm at a steak house he loves meat. The guy has a huge problem though all his friends are going to jail and can not pick up his tab any more. Imagine a poor Congressman. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1433 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 16:52:14 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STEVEN posted Message 1434 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 18:43:01 Subject: Re: Ok I'll admit it I'm stupid and corrupt and work for the UTN : Ok if the truth be known I'm a troll for the UTN I get paid to watch this board and try to take the edge off of the real truth. Basically I achieve this by telling lies but mostly by detracting from the person telling the truth. So it is a bad thing to help liars like the UTN but I don't get paid very well and do nothing but bother people that post on boards its a great job. By the way I'm paid in a no show job guess which Agency. If you could get away with it you would do it to. Just so you know I do not believe a single thing I post. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven posted Message 1435 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 18:44:40 Subject: Re: Last night I had dinner with our beloved Bobby Jackson : As is the norm at a steak house he loves meat. The guy has a huge problem though all his friends are going to jail and can not pick up his tab any more. Wait he never did my boss is CHEAP! Imagine a poor Publisher. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven posted Message 1436 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 18:47:45 Subject: Re: Booby and Joe show : Bobbie J close friend to Joe C has asked for and recieved a loan all the waterfront corps. How do you like that a loan given then forgiven how does that happen. Actually if was not For Glen C the backing for the loan that allowed it go through on the banks ledgers. Guess the Bank that forgave the loan and win a prize. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven posted Message 1437 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 18:49:57 Subject: Re: Cryogenic Voting Services offered by the UTN : Just because your dead does not preclude you from voting as a registered Democrat in Hudson County. The UTN is now offering Cryogenic Voting Services for the undead. So thing about it get frozen and still find representation. This is trully futuristic of the UTN people that are brought back to life will have the elected officials they wanted. Rights of the dead are protected. Maybe an amendment will be floated to include dead as part of the peopl. Now a funny thing is there are more dead people than people alive. ***************** End Of Article ****************** He Ain't Poor !!! posted Message 1438 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 20:11:05 Subject: Always Uses Campaign Funds To Stuff His Face Congressman Blobby Menendez HAS ALWAYS used his campaign funds to stuff his face. Maybe he is now trying to save that money for his own Defense Fund. : As is the norm at a steak house he loves meat. The guy has a huge problem though all his friends are going to jail and can not pick up his tab any more. Imagine a poor Congressman. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steve posted Message 1439 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 20:39:18 Subject: Re: Always Uses Campaign Funds To Stuff His Face : Blobby Jackson HAS ALWAYS used his campaign funds to stuff his face. : Maybe he is now trying to save that money for his own Defense Fund. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Real Chakotay posted Message 1440 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 21:55:16 Subject: I love it !!! I do believe you've become obsessed with me. Keep it up. I love to laugh. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I'm really a very lovable guy, once you get to know me. :) posted Message 1441 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 22:35:09 Subject: Re: Sorry, I'm here to stay. : I'll find Steve acceptable when he moves to Siberia. ***************** End Of Article ****************** poe posted Message 1442 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 22:59:51 Subject: Re: Sorry, I'm here to stay. Who is lovable? Chak 0r Glazer? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay says he is. Just ask him. Isn't that right Chak? posted Message 1443 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 10, 2003 at 23:29:45 Subject: Re: Sorry, I'm here to stay. : Who is lovable? Chak 0r Glazer? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Poor Hudson County Tax Payer posted Message 1444 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 02:12:45 Subject: IS THIS TRUE? Hi, I read the following on a forum at (www.insldeunioncity.com) "According to well informed sources Anthony Russo cut a deal foe himself and will soon be made public that he is now a Federal Witness and will turn in many of his associates, including Bernard Kenny, and other former and present high ranking officials in Hudson County. I believe this falls under the category of CYA(cover your axx)in order to protect his own Axx." Is this true? Anyone has any info? ***************** End Of Article ****************** John24 posted Message 1445 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 05:02:43 Subject: The 666 Calculator is your spouse the Antichrist : Hey, Here is a Java Script gadget that will tell you if your name, your spouse or whoever comes up the big 666. What will Christians think of next? http://www.geocities.com/iamthekey_2000/calculator.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1446 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 05:48:04 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BayCity posted Message 1447 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 11:14:41 Subject: News Flash I am very proud to be the first to bring this news to the board. HCDO has lost their case!!! Glenn Cunningham, Tony Chiappone & Lou Manzo have been officially cleared of all fraud and overspending counts brought by the HCDO. Good luck to the official Democratic candidates! ***************** End Of Article ****************** The People Win !! posted Message 1448 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 11:36:01 Subject: Menendez's HCDO Loses in Court !! : I am very proud to be the first to bring this news to the board. : HCDO has lost their case!!! Glenn Cunningham, Tony Chiappone & Lou Manzo have been officially cleared of all fraud and overspending counts brought by the HCDO. Good luck to the official Democratic candidates! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 1449 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 12:47:23 Subject: ELECTION CHALLENGE CASE TOSSED-EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES BIG TIME ELECTION CHALLENGE CASE TOSSED-EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES BIG TIME Steven Glazer e-mail: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wait there one moment Flash Gordon posted Message 1450 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 13:54:32 Subject: Ming the evil leader has a few more tricks The other shoe dropping is the thing the to listen for. Ming and his evil crew of bad guys have a few more tricks. The independant agencies control vast amounts of power and can stop any progress dead in its tracks. Even a Senator/Mayor can do little to stop their empire the war is still on only a battle has been won. : ELECTION CHALLENGE CASE TOSSED-EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES BIG TIME : Steven Glazer e-mail: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** WHERE IS THE MONEY posted Message 1451 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 13:57:19 Subject: WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY SO THE HCDO HAS BEEN TOSSED SO WHERE IS THE MONEY THEY STOLE. GUESS WHAT THEY STILL HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF POWER AND MONEY AND NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY ANY TIME SOON. ***************** End Of Article ****************** INSIDER posted Message 1452 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 14:16:09 Subject: Re: WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY WHAT ABOUT THE TAPE GLAZER? ***************** End Of Article ****************** More to come posted Message 1453 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 14:29:36 Subject: Re: ELECTION CHALLENGE CASE TOSSED-EVIL EMPIRE STUMBLES BIG TIME Many things will come out of the trial.Hear there is an audio tape that will land Bobby Jackson and his employee in court again. Was told the tape is very damaging and Jackson could go to prision for false statement under oath.Hear the feds want a copy of the tape. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BY-BLINDJUSTICE posted Message 1454 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 17:53:58 Subject: TODAY ON THIS DAY.... On this day, I lost no one I knew. But I lost everyone I knew. These people were me, they were you, they were us. As for those of you who say "Enough already", you are exactly the reason why there are those in the world who think America is weak. Your "yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's over so what, get over it attitude" is a sad commentary. You are either very cold & callous or in deeper pain than those of us who verbalize it. In either case, I well say a prayer for you too. U nited S trong A merican MAY GOD CONTINUE TO SHED HIS GRACE ON US. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Respond to Terror Nuke them into the stone age posted Message 1455 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 20:37:34 Subject: NUKE Saudi Arabia I'm proud of those that serve and honor those that have pasted but why must I tolerate the idiots like Sean Hannity and others with IQs of house plants. These people are so devisive in around patriotic activities it makes me sick. A simple remembering would do that and a report that every last terrorist was dead. Yes kill every last terrorist that is memorial enough. If this means breaking rules and violating the rights of the innocent by all means carry on. If it where possible in a legal manner I would have these terrorist torn apart by wild beast for public viewing. We are such a kind nation and civilized Ossam Bin Idiot has a mother she has not been taken and beaten for sport. We are so civilized thats why we die if the innocent civilians of any other nation where killed as ours where no questions would be asked when they destroyed evey last person affiliated with that group. Saudi Arabia must be stomped like a bug nuke them nuke them all that is justice nothing less than that. : On this day, I lost no one I knew. But I lost everyone I knew. These people were me, they were you, they were us. : As for those of you who say "Enough already", you are exactly the reason why there are those in the world who think America is weak. Your "yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's over so what, get over it attitude" is a sad commentary. You are either very cold & callous or in deeper pain than those of us who verbalize it. In either case, I well say a prayer for you too. : U nited : S trong : A merican : MAY GOD CONTINUE TO SHED HIS GRACE ON US. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE ONLY ANSWER posted Message 1456 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 20:39:07 Subject: UTTER DESTRUCTION OF SAUDIA ARABIA KILL EVERY LAST PERSON IN SAUDI ARABIA AND GIVE THE OIL TO THE CHINESE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THE REAL TRUTH posted Message 1457 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 20:46:09 Subject: I love Ossam Bin Laden he reminds me of the HCDO The HCDO and Bin Laden have two things in common they harm and injure innocent people. OK Bin Laden kills them but he would approve of their corruption since all he does like the HCDO is harm people. ***************** End Of Article ****************** STOP Menendez KICK HIM OUT OF OFFICE posted Message 1458 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 20:49:35 Subject: CORRUPTION = DOMESTIC TERROR=Menendez WE NEED A BREAK FROM THE CORRUPTION OF THE BELOVED CONGRESSMAN Menendez. WE WORK ALL DAY AND NEVER GET A DAY OFF FROM HIS GRAFT AND CORRUPTION. FROM HIS EARLY DAYS IN UNION CITY TO HIS MACHINE POLITICS IN WASHINGTON HE HAS STOLEN FROM THE PEOPLE. THIS LEVEL OF CORRUPTION CAN ONLY BE DUPLICATED IN THIRD WORLD NATIONS RUN BY DESPOTS. Menendez IS A DOMESTIC TERRORIST. ***************** End Of Article ****************** IT WILL NEVER STOP UNTIL posted Message 1459 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 20:51:05 Subject: HCDO APPEAL JERSEY CITY NEEDS TO BE SEPERATED FROM THE CORRUPTION OF HUDSON COUNTY IT IS THE ONLY WAY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Miss Crabtree posted Message 1460 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 21:39:55 Subject: Won't you ever learn ! It's SEPARATED not SEPERATED. ***************** End Of Article ****************** YAWN posted Message 1461 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 21:41:22 Subject: YAWN YAWN ***************** End Of Article ****************** YAWN posted Message 1462 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 21:42:12 Subject: YAWN YAWN ***************** End Of Article ****************** YAWN posted Message 1463 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 21:43:27 Subject: YAWN YAWN ***************** End Of Article ****************** THANKS TO BOSTON FOR 9/11 BAN THE RED SOX posted Message 1464 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 21:50:27 Subject: BOSTON AIRPORT THANKS FOR THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS ANOTHER REASON TO HATE BOSTON. BAN THE RED SOX, BAN BUYING OF FIDELITY FUNDS, BAN ANYTHING FROM BOSTON. ***************** End Of Article ****************** CORRECT THIS posted Message 1465 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 21:52:41 Subject: CORRECT THIS ALL THOUGH YOU CANNOT NOT SEE THIS I'M HOLDING UP A FINGER GUESS WHICH ONE? ***************** End Of Article ****************** YAWN YOUR AZZ posted Message 1466 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 21:54:08 Subject: Re: YAWN : YAWN ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1467 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 11, 2003 at 22:50:19 Subject: Re: NUKE Saudi Arabia-Nuke 'em ALL!!! : I'm proud of those that serve and honor those that have pasted but why must I tolerate the idiots like Sean Hannity and others with IQs of house plants. These people are so devisive in around patriotic activities it makes me sick. A simple remembering would do that and a report that every last terrorist was dead. Yes kill every last terrorist that is memorial enough. If this means breaking rules and violating the rights of the innocent by all means carry on. If it where possible in a legal manner I would have these terrorist torn apart by wild beast for public viewing. We are such a kind nation and civilized Ossam Bin Idiot has a mother she has not been taken and beaten for sport. We are so civilized thats why we die if the innocent civilians of any other nation where killed as ours where no questions would be asked when they destroyed evey last person affiliated with that group. Saudi Arabia must be stomped like a bug nuke them nuke them all that is justice nothing less than that. : : On this day, I lost no one I knew. But I lost everyone I knew. These people were me, they were you, they were us. : : As for those of you who say "Enough already", you are exactly the reason why there are those in the world who think America is weak. Your "yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's over so what, get over it attitude" is a sad commentary. You are either very cold & callous or in deeper pain than those of us who verbalize it. In either case, I well say a prayer for you too. : : U nited : : S trong : : A merican : : MAY GOD CONTINUE TO SHED HIS GRACE ON US. AMEN!!!AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, NUKE EM ALL, THE IRAQUIS SAUDIS AFGHANS LIBYANS IRANIANS SUDANESE YEMENI JORDANIAN SYRIAN EGYPTIAN ALL OF 'EM-- FRY THE SLAVE TRADING TERRORISTS ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1468 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 05:54:43 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** No One posted Message 1469 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 09:29:31 Subject: Club HCDO Club Lets Businessmen Cavort in Dresses - Talking into his cell phone, ??? says he's in a meeting. He makes other business calls while he picks out what he's going to wear: a black dress, sensual stockings and high heels. ????, who asked that his full name not be used, is part of a group of high-flying HCDO who meet every week at a special club set up for tranies where they are free to be women for a time -- chatting, playing bingo or having a drink with their "girlfriends." ????'s club -- called "Versus Life Style" -- opened last year. To belong to its exclusive circle costs between $36 and $93 a month, depending on what services the client wants. Luxury cars are a common sight outside the unremarkable building that jealously guards the secret of its temporary occupants. "I've been dressing up since I was six years old. ... When I dress as a woman, I do it to express my emotions and sensitivity, something I can't do as a man," said ????, a top HCDO Official whose wife has no idea where he is. Many of the men say that, contrary to the public perception of cross-dressing, the practice has nothing to do with homosexuality but is about getting in touch with their feminine side or simply enjoying dressing up. Inside the house, wigs, carnival masks, out-sized high-heels, fancy lingerie, lace-up stockings, evening dresses, bridal gowns, school uniforms and fetish wear hang in the main hallway. Here the fantasies of the successful executives take off. Accessories used at the club like wigs, high latex boots and fake boobs cost between $200 and $600. Their high price tag is all they have in common with the Armani and Hugo Boss suits left draped over chairs as the men change into women. Under club rules, visitors may not come in search of sex or use their male names. Men get into the house either by recommendation or after passing an extensive Internet obstacle course that only genuine tranies would know how to do. "All sorts of people come here but most are HCDO bosses, used to giving orders or living under a lot of stress. This is an oasis for them," said ????. Services on offer include special lockers for clothes, parking, manicures and pedicures, maintaining a personal wine cellar and access to special events. To enter without being a member costs $129, including rented clothes, wigs, use of make-up and a four-hour stay. Unlike the flamboyant trany world shown in films like "The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert," "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar" and "High Heels," the house these executives frequent is more sedate and is even used as offices at times. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BUSTER posted Message 1470 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 09:30:50 Subject: BYE BYE FAT JOE-YOU GOTTA GO ME OH MY OH. TONIGHT YOU CAN EAT SOME FILET GUMBO ROLL ON OUT OF HERE AND KEEP ON ROLLING ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1471 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 10:03:06 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Conspiracy Theory posted Message 1472 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 10:14:27 Subject: HCDO, Gordon Getty , and Xanadu Hartz Mountain wanted the Xanadu Project yet it was awarded to friends of McGreevey. In order to beat back the case that Hartz Mountain filed and would have won the HCDO, McGreevey, and Gordon Getty pulled a bold move attack the Stern family. Eliot Spitzer was informed by Reflow Managment a Getty front of timing activity and timing competed with Reflows intended line of business. Getty is also a funder of the Xanadu contractors Mills and others. Since control of San Francisco is not enough for Getty he challenged using various shell companies the established developers of Northern New Jersey. The prize has been Xanadu and the untold story is gambling will be arriving at the Xanasu Complex as soon as the legal issues are cleared meaning bringing the Sterns into line. Benard Spitzer another real estate developer is involved and surprise he is the father of Eliot the State Attorney General. So again interest of the rich and famous come before the interest of the people. New York State, the State of New Jersey, and Gordon Getty arrived at a conclusion stop the Sterns by any means and while the case for Xanadu has not been dropped the reputation of the Sterns has been damaged for no real legal reason at all. In this case the HCDO where running an job for outside special interest. When the casinos open and Getty and others are exposed as owners look back to this post ***************** End Of Article ****************** BYE BYE GLAZER posted Message 1473 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 10:40:02 Subject: Re: BYE BYE FAT JOE-YOU GOTTA GO Many things will come out of the trial.Hear there is an audio tape that will land Bobby Jackson and his employee in court again. Was told the tape is very damaging and Jackson could go to prision for false statement under oath.Hear the feds want a copy of the tape. ***************** End Of Article ****************** RAMEZ ERIAN posted Message 1474 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 11:47:35 Subject: Re: The Jersey City Parking Authority Meeting of the Board: June 17, 2003 : See the Link for Online audio. Hi I would like to see applications online for example The Parking Authority Of The City Of Jersey City Parking Permit Application. Thank you ***************** End Of Article ****************** Timothy Henderson posted Message 1475 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 12:01:44 Subject: Re: The Jersey City Parking Authority Meeting of the Board: June 17, 2003 : : See the Link for Online audio. : : Hi : I would like to see applications online for example The Parking Authority Of The City Of Jersey City Parking Permit Application. : Thank you The permit application is Online. See the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** EITHER OR posted Message 1476 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 13:04:58 Subject: Re: BYE BYE FAT JOE-YOU GOTTA GO : : Many things will come out of the trial.Hear there is an audio tape that will land Bobby Jackson and his employee in court again. Was told the tape is very damaging and Jackson could go to prision for false statement under oath.Hear the feds want a copy of the tape. YAWN LIMITED MINDS LIMIT POSSIBLITIES-YAWN YOU MUST BORE YOURSELF ***************** End Of Article ****************** DAWG posted Message 1477 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 15:24:17 Subject: Re: HCDO, Gordon Getty , and Xanadu YAWN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** OY VEY posted Message 1478 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 18:51:05 Subject: ELEC UPDATE THE CASE IS STILL ON????? The New Jersey state Election Law Enforcement Commission is not willing to let Thursday's precedent-setting ruling by Hudson County Superior Court Judge Arthur N. D'Italia stand without a fight. Dr. Frederick M. Herrmann, ELEC's executive director, said today that his commission is ready to mount a legal challenge to D'Italia's ruling that the campaign contribution limits prescribed by a 1973 state law apply only to general elections, and not primaries. Herrmann met with ELEC's four commissioners in a hastily-arranged conference call this morning and said the group authorized its lawyers to take whatever legal action is necessary to defend the 1973 limits, which ELEC has always interpreted as applying to primaries. "We just think the way we've been doing it for thirty years works, and we want to keep doing it," Herrmann said. Herrmann indicated he does not yet know how or when ELEC might mount a legal challenge, and said the answer will depend greatly on the outcome of the appeal in the case D'Italia ruled on. The case was brought by the Hudson County Democratic Organization, whose slate of candidates in the 31st Legislative District was defeated in the June primary. The HCDO contended that the winning candidates were aided by contributions from political action committees that far exceeded the $7,200 per candidate cap dictated by law. But D'Italia dismissed the suit, saying that his reading of the 1973 law led him to believe that legislators had intentionally drawn a distinction between general elections, in which candidates are directly elected to office, and primaries, in which parties merely select their candidates for general elections. The HCDO blasted the ruling as a bad precedent that could lead to chaos in future campaigns and promised to appeal. Herrmann stressed that ELEC has no position on the specifics of the HCDO's case but wants the appeal to succeed in the interests of upholding ELEC's reading of the 1973 law. "Our only concern here is in protecting the integrity of the campaign act," said Herrmann, who indicated that ELEC will continue to mete out fines to campaigns that violate the contribution limits in primaries pending further court rulings. Without contribution limits, the way primaries are conducted in New Jersey could change dramatically. There are currently no spending limits for primary or general election campaigns, but before D'Italia's ruling, individual candidates could accept no more than $2,200 per year from individual donors and $7,200 from political action committees. But under the ruling, a candidate could accept any amount of money from any kind of donor in a primary. The only legal requirement, D'Italia indicated in his ruling, is that campaigns report each contribution and expenditure. While the contribution limits would still apply to general elections, it is unclear under D'Italia's ruling what would prevent a campaign from raising unlimited money during a primary and then transferring the campaign balance for use in the general election. The lack of contribution limits in primaries and the ability of campaigns to transfer their primary war chests to the general election call into question the relevance of ELEC itself as an oversight body. "This is nuts," said Ingrid Reed, the director of the New Jersey Project at Rutgers University's Eagleton Institute. The ruling does a disservice to the public, Reed said, because there is a widespread consensus that there should be contribution limits in campaigns and most people don't see a significant difference between primaries and general elections. "This kind of legalism that says running for your party's nomination for public office and running for public office are somehow not the same is just what builds cynicism," Reed said. "If the appellate court doesn't straighten this out, then the legislature needs to clarify it." Richard J. Codey (D-West Orange), the state Senate's Democratic Co-President, said the ruling creates too many questions and indicated the legislature probably would seek to rewrite campaign finance laws to include limits for primaries -- if the ruling is not first overturned. "I think there would have to be some kind of law put in place," Codey said. "Just because it's a party election doesn't mean it's not still paid for by the taxpayers." Not everyone thinks having primaries without contribution limits is a bad idea. Angelo J. Genova, the attorney who successfully argued for the dismissal of the HCDO's suit, said Thursday that the ruling actually "evens the playing field" for future candidates. Genova's clients --state Senate candidate Glenn D. Cunningham and Assembly candidates Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo -- maintained that they were disadvantaged by rules that allowed a county party organization like the HCDO to solicit contributions of up to $37,000 from individuals and spend whatever it wanted on behalf of its chosen candidates. The HCDO bankrolled large portions of the campaigns of 31st District state Senate candidate L. Harvey Smith and Assembly incumbents Joseph V. Doria (D-Bayonne) and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli (D-Jersey City). ***************** End Of Article ****************** BUSTER posted Message 1479 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 20:09:41 Subject: DID YA HEAR THE ONE ABOUT "SOBBIN' BOB" BOB MENENDEZ "SOBBING" OVER THE NEWS OF PETEY WEISS' DEATH. THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO WOULD NOT BURY HIS OWN FATHER, DARIUS MENENDEZ. MUSTO PAID FOR THE FUNERAL OF MENENDEZ' FATHER. THE SAME GUY "SOBS" FOR PETE WEISS. SURE HE DID. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Methuselah posted Message 1480 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 20:43:59 Subject: The McGreevey Team Protects It's Own! 'Nuff said. : The New Jersey state Election Law Enforcement Commission is not willing to let Thursday's precedent-setting ruling by Hudson County Superior Court Judge Arthur N. D'Italia stand without a fight. : Dr. Frederick M. Herrmann, ELEC's executive director, said today that his commission is ready to mount a legal challenge to D'Italia's ruling that the campaign contribution limits prescribed by a 1973 state law apply only to general elections, and not primaries. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Methuselah posted Message 1481 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 20:46:39 Subject: Re: DID YA HEAR THE ONE ABOUT "SOBBIN' BOB" By now, Balancing Act Bob has probably got a speach coach, an acting coach, a dancing coach, and a singing coach. : BOB MENENDEZ "SOBBING" OVER THE NEWS OF PETEY WEISS' DEATH. THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO WOULD NOT BURY HIS OWN FATHER, DARIUS MENENDEZ. MUSTO PAID FOR THE FUNERAL OF MENENDEZ' FATHER. THE SAME GUY "SOBS" FOR PETE WEISS. SURE HE DID. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Bob posted Message 1482 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 21:13:29 Subject: Take the Fifth The Donald takes the fifth. Bernie is now taking about a half-gallon, neat, I reckon. Adios, fellas. See ya in about 10 to 20. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Night at the Opera posted Message 1483 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 21:41:42 Subject: Re: DID YA HEAR THE ONE ABOUT "SOBBIN' BOB" What about Doria? I'M WAITING TO HEAR THE FAT MAN SING! : By now, Balancing Act Bob has probably got a speach coach, an acting coach, a dancing coach, and a singing coach. : : : BOB MENENDEZ "SOBBING" OVER THE NEWS OF PETEY WEISS' DEATH. THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO WOULD NOT BURY HIS OWN FATHER, DARIUS MENENDEZ. MUSTO PAID FOR THE FUNERAL OF MENENDEZ' FATHER. THE SAME GUY "SOBS" FOR PETE WEISS. SURE HE DID. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sue Ellen posted Message 1484 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 21:59:03 Subject: Re: Take the Fifth What will you do? Fifth ,guilty give Bobby up what? ***************** End Of Article ****************** OBL posted Message 1485 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 12, 2003 at 22:11:37 Subject: Al-Jazeera faked the tape Al-Jazeera faked the tape and has been working as the media relations organization for OBL ***************** End Of Article ****************** Real Crockadile Tears posted Message 1486 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 01:39:11 Subject: BOB Menendez Only SOBS 4 Himself : What about Doria? I'M WAITING TO HEAR THE FAT MAN SING! : : By now, Balancing Act Bob has probably got a speach coach, an acting coach, a dancing coach, and a singing coach. : : : : : BOB MENENDEZ "SOBBING" OVER THE NEWS OF PETEY WEISS' DEATH. THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO WOULD NOT BURY HIS OWN FATHER, DARIUS MENENDEZ. MUSTO PAID FOR THE FUNERAL OF MENENDEZ' FATHER. THE SAME GUY "SOBS" FOR PETE WEISS. SURE HE DID. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1487 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 05:22:10 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 1488 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 08:42:33 Subject: A little trivia 1: The Swiss Spaghetti Harvest In 1957 the respected BBC news show Panorama announced that thanks to a very mild winter and the virtual elimination of the dreaded spaghetti weevil, Swiss farmers were enjoying a bumper spaghetti crop. It accompanied this announcement with footage of Swiss peasants pulling strands of spaghetti down from trees. Huge numbers of viewers were taken in, and many called up wanting to know how they could grow their own spaghetti trees. To this question, the BBC diplomatically replied that they should "place a sprig of spaghetti in a tin of tomato sauce and hope for the best." #2: San Serriffe In 1977 the British newspaper The Guardian published a special seven-page supplement in honor of the tenth anniversary of San Serriffe, a small republic located in the Indian Ocean consisting of several semi-colon-shaped islands. A series of articles affectionately described the geography and culture of this obscure nation. Its two main islands were named Upper Caisse and Lower Caisse. Its capital was Bodoni, and its leader was General Pica. The Guardian's phones rang all day as readers sought more information about the idyllic holiday spot. Few noticed that everything about the island was named after printer's terminology. The success of this hoax is widely credited with launching the enthusiasm for April Foolery that then gripped the British tabloids in the following decades. #3: Sidd Finch In its April 1985 edition, Sports Illustrated published a story about a new rookie pitcher who planned to play for the Mets. His name was Sidd Finch and he could reportedly throw a baseball with startling, pinpoint accuracy at 168 mph (65 mph faster than anyone else has ever been able to throw a ball). Surprisingly, Sidd Finch had never even played the game before. Instead, he had mastered the "art of the pitch" in a Tibetan monastery under the guidance of the "great poet-saint Lama Milaraspa." Mets fans everywhere celebrated at their teams's amazing luck at having found such a gifted player, and Sports Illustrated was flooded with requests for more information. But in reality this legendary player only existed in the imagination of the writer of the article, George Plimpton. #4: The Taco Liberty Bell In 1996 the Taco Bell Corporation announced that it had bought the Liberty Bell from the federal government and was renaming it the Taco Liberty Bell. Hundreds of outraged citizens called up the National Historic Park in Philadelphia where the bell is housed to express their anger. Their nerves were only calmed when Taco Bell revealed that it was all a joke a few hours later. The best line inspired by the affair came when White House press secretary Mike McCurry was asked about the sale, and he responded that the Lincoln Memorial had also been sold, though to a different corporation, and would now be known as the Ford Lincoln Mercury Memorial. #5: Nixon for President In 1992 National Public Radio's Talk of the Nation program announced that Richard Nixon, in a surprise move, was running for President again. His new campaign slogan was, "I didn't do anything wrong, and I won't do it again." Accompanying this announcement were audio clips of Nixon delivering his candidacy speech. Listeners responded viscerally to the announcement, flooding the show with calls expressing shock and outrage. Only during the second half of the show did the host John Hockenberry reveal that the announcement was a joke. Nixon's voice was impersonated by comedian Rich Little. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 1489 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 09:38:23 Subject: Ruling Voids Spending Caps in New Jersey's Primary Races Ruling Voids Spending Caps in New Jersey's Primary Races By DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI New York Times TRENTON, Sept. 12 — In a court decision that has startled New Jersey election officials and political leaders from both parties, a Superior Court judge has ruled that the state's campaign spending limits do not apply to candidates in primary elections. The ruling, which was handed down Thursday during a court fight in Hudson County between two Democratic candidates for the Assembly, essentially sets aside regulations that have governed New Jersey primary campaigns for more than 30 years. The ruling, which affects primaries for state and local elections, but not federal elections, sent political leaders and election lawyers scrambling today. The nonpartisan Election Law Enforcement Commission held an emergency conference and said it would go to court to have the ruling clarified because it "threatened the integrity" of New Jersey campaign finance law. Democratic and Republican leaders said they were considering mounting legal challenges, even as they studied the ruling to determine whether it offered them a competitive advantage. No primaries are scheduled until next spring, and either court challenges or legislative action could negate the ruling. But national experts on campaign finance predicted that if the ruling stood, it would allow corporations and wealthy individuals to sidestep donation limits and drastically increase both the cost of races and the influence of major contributors. "For over 25 years, contribution limits have been the key to trying to control the appearance of corruption and undue influence in the political process," said Larry Noble, the executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics and the former general counsel of the Federal Election Commission. "If this stays in effect, then you have a major problems in New Jersey elections." Judge Arthur D'Italia, of the Hudson County Superior Court, handed down the decision in a case brought by Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria, a Democrat, and his running mates, who were challenging the results of the June primary, which they lost. Mr. Doria and Hudson County Democratic leaders contend that their opponents illegally used $182,000 that had been funneled through a political action committee. Judge D'Italia dismissed the suit, saying that the spending limits in New Jersey's campaign finance statute apply specifically to races for "elective office," but that primaries decide only who will win the party nomination. Angelo Genova, the lawyer who argued and won the case on behalf of the candidates backed by the Jersey City mayor, Glenn Cunningham, said party leaders who supported Mr. Doria were overstating the impact of the ruling because they were frustrated by the failure of their lawsuit. But the prospect of unlimited spending in primaries brought criticism from across the state's political spectrum. State Senator Joseph M. Kyrillos Jr., the Republican chairman, said that the implications were "troubling" and that he had lawyers reviewing the judge's decision to determine whether to challenge it. Ross K. Baker, a political science professor at Rutgers University, said he was stunned by the judge's ruling, which he said defied what had been the accepted practice in the state for decades. "Good heavens, that's a thunderbolt," he said. "If there are people out there with big checkbooks, I think it's an open invitation for them to come in and take whatever amount of influence they want." The judge's decision strained the already tenuous relations between the Hudson County Democratic organization and the administration of Gov. James E. McGreevey. County leaders, who backed Mr. Doria and his running mates, said the attorney general's office had filed a letter in the case arguing that the election law applies to primaries, but withdrew it before the judge made his decision. "By failing to act in defense of these laws, Attorney General Peter Harvey has now ensured that primary election financing will resemble a lawless Wild West," said State Senator Bernard F. Kenny Jr., the Hudson County Democratic chairman. But Lee Moore, a spokesman for Mr. Harvey, said the attorney general's office had become involved in the case only to represent the interest of the Board of Elections, which was a neutral party in the dispute. Mr. Moore said the attorney general's office might participate in an appeal if asked by the board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** sal posted Message 1490 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 10:07:16 Subject: History carries Weiss's byline History carries Weiss's byline Saturday, September 13, 2003 When I was writing my book, "Five-Finger Discount: A Crooked Family History," there were just two people I called on a regular basis: my mother and Pete Weiss. My mother had all the family stories, Pete all the political ones. And like with my mother, I think I took Pete for granted. When I wasn't calling Pete (or my mom), I was at the Jersey City Public Library, photocopying news stories. And more often than not, Pete's byline was on them. Whenever there was a sweeping political roundup story written following yet another indictment, it was Pete who wrote it. He was the only one with a big enough grasp of what was happening, and what had happened before. It seemed Pete had always been there, not just as a fellow journalist. But from the time I started to learn to read, Pete had had a byline in The Jersey Journal. I grew up reading Pete. When I met him for the first time, during a high school trip to The Jersey Journal, Pete was sort of like a celebrity to me. I thought he would be taller (like you often think with celebrities). But Pete wasn't much taller than I was, the Bilbo Baggins of the newsroom - short but wise beyond his years, brimming over with personality, a great sense of humor, a particular glint in his eye, always a smile beneath that bushy mustache. When I went to work at the Journal in the late '80s, I learned that Pete was the subtle center of the newsroom, its quiet, boyish patriarch. Whenever one of my fellow know-it-all young reporters or I had a question, we'd end up in front of Pete's desk, humbly basking in his knowledge. But he was never arrogant. He always had that smile for you, a bit of cynicism - just a touch - beneath the warmth. Because he had seen it all. He hadn't memorized facts and dates, but lived through them, pen in hand. The politicians talked to him because of that warmth and charm. They told him things, and he told them to us. Unlike many of his fellow political reporters, Pete never sold out to take a job as a political flack. Because to Pete, his job wasn't just a job. It wasn't about a paycheck. I remember seeing him drive his car through Lower Manhattan one day into the traffic snarl of the Holland Tunnel. He saw me in my car and waved an enthusiastic hello. He was living in Brooklyn back then, commuting from the deepest reaches of the borough, across the East River, through New York City and over the Hudson - or even worse, through Staten Island. Every day. It was a hell of a commute. But Hudson County was a destination for Pete. It wasn't something to pillage and plunder. It wasn't a place to run away from. It was his calling. Pete somehow never grew jaded. He stood by the ramparts day after day, watching the flags unfurl, watching the political battles rage year after year, watching mayor after mayor testify. Whenever we left town, or in some cases, moved away, we knew Pete would be keeping an eye on things for us, keeping score, and would be able to explain it all when we got back. Just the other day, a transplanted friend from Hudson County called from his new home in Texas. He heard about Pete, he said. He couldn't believe he had died. And it wasn't until then that it finally hit me, how large he loomed. And now there was that awful void, that hole that people sometimes leave in your life when they go away. It's a vacuum, a silent, terrible emptiness that usually follows the departure of a relative or a lover. But Pete was neither to me. Pete was the eyes and ears of Hudson County, recording that first draft of crooked history. He listened quietly, and watched just as quietly, and echoed back the political intrigue. Pete Weiss was Hudson County's conscience. Its Greek chorus. And now he's gone. Just like that. The politics will continue without him, without his studied, watchful eye. And that's the tragedy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GLAZER FAN CLUB posted Message 1491 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 10:35:40 Subject: Something to think about... If Steven Glazer was to go bye bye, would people write in to the UTN with kind words, would he have left any positive mark on society, has he touched anyones lives.. he trashes Pete making fun of his death why is he jealous? Would anyone care if Glazer was history? OR WOULD HE GO TO HELL QUIETLY! ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Church Lady posted Message 1492 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 11:22:10 Subject: God Bless Steve Glazer Stop your hatred and nasty posts about Mr. Glazer. Steve is a fine reporter who helps expose all the corruption going on. God Bless You Steve Glazer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** mellow yellow posted Message 1493 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 11:28:34 Subject: Re: God Bless Steve Glazer :GOD AND GLAZER IN THE SAME SENTANCE that is a joke ***************** End Of Article ****************** chuka chan posted Message 1494 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 11:30:03 Subject: Re: God Bless Steve Glazer Your a church lady...yikes! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fat Bob posted Message 1495 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 11:39:43 Subject: Latino Bob is only Spanish when it might help him... get a few bucks or a free meal. Papi Chulo is so latino. He always goes to Ruth's Chris Steakhouse for his mofongo. That's all on your dime. He is so ethnic Smith and Wollenski and The Palm have put Pernil on the menu in case he comes in with his Congressional entourage. Look at ELEC disbursements. Swill and Slop and it on all of us who pay taxes. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BLOATED Not Pregnant posted Message 1496 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 12:11:36 Subject: Yummy Yummy Yummy I got Steak in my Tummy A steady diet of Porterhouse with Bernaise sauce leads to bloating. : get a few bucks or a free meal. Papi Chulo is so latino. He always goes to Ruth's Chris Steakhouse for his mofongo. That's all on your dime. He is so ethnic Smith and Wollenski and The Palm have put Pernil on the menu in case he comes in with his Congressional entourage. Look at ELEC disbursements. Swill and Slop and it on all of us who pay taxes. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ceejay posted Message 1497 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 14:33:44 Subject: You go girl http://www.qnet.com/~pontius//smile/smilelmp_1[1].htm ***************** End Of Article ****************** Maningo posted Message 1498 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 15:29:25 Subject: Re: UTN Bobby is only black when it might help him... : get a few bucks or a free meal. Bobby Jackson is so white. He always goes to Ruth's Chris Steakhouse for his mofongo. That's all on your dime. He is so ethnic Smith and Wollenski and The Palm have put Pernil on the menu in case he comes in with his Glen's entourage. Look at ELEC disbursements. Swill and Slop and it on all of us who pay taxes. ***************** End Of Article ****************** and Glazer up my butt- posted Message 1499 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 15:30:27 Subject: Re: Yummy Yummy Yummy I gritts in my Tummy : A steady diet of Porterhouse with Bernaise sauce leads to bloating. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stevie weavie posted Message 1500 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 15:32:34 Subject: Revised : Stop your hatred and nasty posts Mr. Glazer. : Steve is a crappie reporter who exposes himself : God help You Steve Glazer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1501 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 16:04:04 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Go get em' posted Message 1502 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 16:24:40 Subject: This is funny MIAMI (Sept. 12) - Telemarketers are now screening their calls, instead of the other way around. The American Teleservices Association isn't laughing at Dave Barry, not after the Pulitzer Prize-winning humor columnist for The Miami Herald listed the group's telephone number in his Aug. 31 column and sparked a flood of phone calls to the group's offices. Barry told his readers to call and ''tell them what you think.'' ''I'm sure they'd love to hear your constitutionally protected views! Be sure to wipe your mouthpiece afterward,'' Barry wrote. Thousands of Barry's readers have done as they were told, forcing the association to stop answering its phones. Callers now hear a recording, which says that because of ''overwhelming positive response to recent media events, we are unable to take your call at this time.'' ''It's difficult not to see some malice in Mr. Barry's intent,'' said Tim Searcy, executive director of the ATA, who said the added calls will be costly to his group because of toll charges and staffing issues. Barry hardly sounded apologetic. ''I feel just terrible, especially if they were eating or anything,'' he said. ''They have phones like the rest of us have phones. Their attitude seems to be if you have a phone, people are allowed to call you.'' ATA officials have said about 2 million of the 6.5 million people working at telemarketing call centers across the nation will lose their jobs because of the rules that established the nationwide ''Do Not Call'' list. Barry also attacked that logic in the same column. ''Of course, you could use pretty much the same reasoning to argue that laws against mugging cause unemployment among muggers,'' he wrote. ''But that would be unfair. Muggers rarely intrude into your home.'' Barry's column is syndicated to about 500 newspapers across the country. ***************** End Of Article ****************** mommy daddy help posted Message 1503 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 16:26:29 Subject: Re: Recall the HCDO let play Predator :Im so scared!!!!!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Church pue posted Message 1504 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 16:28:08 Subject: Re: god can't saveSteve Glazer : Stop your hatred and nasty posts Mr. Glazer. : Steve is a bad reporter who exposes himself : God help You Steve Glazer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1505 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 16:38:28 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hudson County posted Message 1506 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 16:40:41 Subject: Fond Memories, funny stories and many tearful farewells Fond memories, funny stories, tearful farewells I first met Peter in a professional capacity about 25 years ago and considered him a good friend and a wonderful person. As a public relations consultant, you worry sometimes about whether a reporter will take the time to understand your side of a story and be fair. Peter was always fair, objective and very honest. He could really work me over during our phone conversations, but his writing was always kind and pure. He would listen to two pundits scream at each other until we turned blue and then write a story both would find fair. He had such a simple but effective way of boiling issues down to their essence. He was a really funny, witty guy too. And he always paid half of the lunch checks, even though my drinks cost more than his chocolate cake. PAUL SWIBINSKI President, Vision Media Inc. Secaucus While I was not fortunate enough to have had the opportunity of reading Peter Weiss's articles over the decades he has been at it, during the past few years Peter was someone who I looked up to as a journalist and as a human being. As a student of journalism, I read his articles as many would read the Bible, paying careful attention to each and every word. He had a gift that, as a writer, I can only hope to one day emulate: He would dissect the most complex political situations and explain them in terms that even an unknowledgeable reader could easily understand. More recently, as an intern for The Jersey Journal, I had the opportunity to get a better look at the man who touched the lives of everyone around him. When people heard that I was working for The Jersey Journal, everyone asked me the same question: "Do you know Peter Weiss?" And I was proud to say, "Yes I do." The vision of Peter sitting behind his desk in jeans, sneakers and a T-shirt, with his feet up and his phone ringing constantly is one I'll never forget. Peter loved his job - he loved every minute of it, and that could be seen in his sense of humor that put a smile on the faces of his co-workers and it could be seen through his many readers who followed his column passionately, from the average Hudson County resident to some of the state's chief politicians. My prayers go out to his wife, Margaret Schmidt, and to his entire family at The Jersey Journal. EDDIE HOLLOWELL When I first started as a reporter at The Jersey Journal, I was a tad intimidated by Peter. He was such an experienced newsman and I was still finding my voice. But then I was given a desk right next to Peter's and little by little we got to know each other. He had a wonderful sense of humor, and I would always get a little tingle when I heard him laugh at one of my jokes. Peter was a consummate newsman, but more than that he was a gentleman with a big heart who loved animals (especially pups). Maybe that's why he always rooted for the underdog. SALLY DEERING Peter was a friend and will be sorely missed by all. He never failed to amaze me with his easygoing manner; nothing ever ruffled him, or so it appeared to me. He helped many people and kept the politicians on their toes, and yet they all had a deep respect for him since he was generally easygoing with his column for most. He could have been a terror, particularly in Hudson County, where false rumors fly like mosquitoes on a summer night. Peter tried to be as accurate as he could be, and in his own inimitable manner he would pop up with a story that was way out in left field - and yet many of the wildest stories had a touch of truth and accuracy to them. Peter's column was always the first thing I read in The Jersey Journal, and I looked forward to it three times a week. I really missed the column when Peter took a short vacation, which was not very often. I read his column faithfully years before I ever got involved with politics, and perhaps he is the one that drew me into the political arena. I will truly miss Peter, but he will continue to watch over the political doings in Hudson County and the state - clearly from a better vantage spot than any of us. I had many great conversations with Peter, and he was one of the most interesting individuals I've ever met. The Jersey Journal was fortunate to have him for so long, and he will not be easily replaced. Peter, may you have an easy journey, which you certainly deserve. BARRY J. DUGAN Freeholder vice chairman I was stunned to read of the passing of Peter Weiss. My heart goes out to the Weiss family. Since February, I've been activated with the Army. Every day I would link to The Jersey Journal Web site and check Mr. Weiss's site, and he kept me in tune with Hudson County politics, and we know politics. To the Weiss family and Jersey Journal family, you're in my prayers. WILL SHIRDEN I called him "Pete-see" because he was really like a big brother to me and the other interns in the newsroom back in the early '80s. In between swapping Howard Stern stories - we were both fans, to the disgust of our co-workers - Peter is responsible for getting me a full-time reporting job at The Jersey Journal and for helping me land my first two PR jobs. One day, Peter took a break from that two-finger twist he did on the typewriter and told me he wanted to show me something in the trunk of his car. I followed him, teasing that I just knew he had the body of some politician stuffed inside his tin can. Peter popped the trunk to reveal a couple of oil paintings. "My father painted them, but I don't know what to do with them," he said. "Take one." I picked out a canvas of red tulips in a green vase. Years later, we would talk on the phone or share a lunch once in a great while, and I'd remind Peter that I still had his dad's painting hanging in my house. Peter's response would always be the same. "I didn't know what to do with them," he'd say. We both knew that wasn't true. Peter had that rare gift of making people's lives matter to the rest of us. He used words to paint his own lasting portraits, filled with humor and humanity. I'll miss Peter's stroke of genius. ANN SPINA SPERLING Readers say good-bye to Peter Weiss Saturday, September 13, 2003 I sat at the computer tonight thinking about Peter and trying to grab hold of emotions and fleeting thoughts and turn them into coherent sentences summing up a friendship. It wasn't easy, not because there aren't many memories, but because of the great void that's opened that mere words can't really fill in any satisfying way, no matter how well written or true. How do you even begin to undertake the calculus of loss in Peter's case? Peter was one of those remarkable people whose presence was so natural and unassuming you took it for granted. You never understand in advance how important people like he are to you. Yet upon first word of his death, I knew with a cold, intuitive certainty that the world was a place that was now less friendly, much less full, than before. I worked with Peter closely for 10 years - we started at The Journal a week apart - and we became more than good friends, intricately and intimately involved in each other's lives for a time. He came to dinner, wedged himself into a corner of the kitchen, was surrounded by my dogs. He loved those dogs as much as I did, if not more. And all the time during our friendship I watched him work and saw his simple approach to his craft: to tell the truth as he saw it and enjoy himself while doing it. He not only knew but understood that great journalistic principle, to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. I remember him sitting late into the evening at a manual typewriter in the old city room filled with our ancient equipment, chewing on his tongue as he worked away at his column, bantering with the night staff, fielding telephone calls, smiling, laughing, enjoying himself, and most importantly, sure of himself. I can't say I wasn't jealous of him then. He told me once he had only one requirement for a job: It must not require that he wear a tie. Life was that simple for him. He was gracious, with a generous spirit, and urged me to leave The Journal to take a job as mayoral press secretary that he had turned down. And having done that, he often used his wickedly sharp pen to appropriately reduce the size of my burgeoning ego or point out my foolishness when I too easily played the part of righteous apologist. It hurt, not because he was my friend, but because I knew he was right. I often wonder what would have happened if I hadn't taken that job. TOM GOLODIK While some news programs try to portray themselves as fair and balanced, Peter never had to promote himself in that regard. His honesty and neutrality were unquestioned, his humor and witty sarcasm second to none, and his journalistic integrity nearly legendary. He simply told us what was going on and did so truthfully. He served Hudson County residents more honorably than many elected officials. DAN AMICO Former Town Clerk Secaucus Peter Weiss played such an important role in each of our lives here in Hudson County. He was the political watchdog, ensuring that our politicians and community leaders lived up to their commitments. He made certain if you were in politics that you had a conscience. Revered for his honesty, good humor and integrity, Peter Weiss can never be replaced. But we can appreciate the incredible work of his life as a public servant in journalism. MICHAEL KORMAN Hoboken I first met Peter over 25 years ago when I was freshman at Jersey City State College. English grammar was my worst subject, and Peter help me with composition papers. My parents' restaurant - two blocks north of Jersey City Municipal Hall next to the Grove Street PATH Station, called the Sunset, now the Hard Grove Cafe - was where I met other reporters from The Jersey Journal and the Hudson Dispatch. Reporters like Earl Morgan, Ronald Leir, Robert Larkins, Richard Drabik and the late Jack Hasbrouck. It was Peter who inspired me to write and eventually convinced me to try out for the college newspaper, the Gothic Times. I eventually ended up being the news editor in my senior year. Peter would always give me pointers. Through the years, I became politically involved, in Jersey City and later in Bayonne. I would always give Peter leads to stories as well as gossip in which he would keep everything in confidence, if I told him to do so. We both loved baseball and the New York Mets. We would not only talk of Hudson County politics, but of all sort of sports and other subjects. I will truly miss him as I know all the readers of this newspaper will. But the part I will always miss is when he would take shots at me when it came to promotions between me and my brother George. For you see, I am the eldest and my brother would always win when wewould get promoted in rank, first at the Hudson County jail, and I would later get promoted at the Sheriff's Office. Peter would say, "I told you your brother was smarter." LT. CHRISTOS GENES Hudson County Sheriff's Office Peter Weiss was always a challenge, and he knew Hudson County politics. We did not always agree, but he understood what local politics was all about. Peter tried to present a fair and unbiased point of view. JOSEPH V. DORIA JR. Bayonne mayor, State Assemblyman We will miss Peter Weiss. He treated community activists with the same respect as elected officials. He promptly returned our phone calls and when he was in charge printed our "letters to the editor" without prejudice. Weiss's "Political Whirl" column was must-reading, especially since he tapped into the human spirit. He also knew the issues and history of Hudson County as few do. We will remember him as a fair, factual and entertaining reporter who will be dearly missed. Our condolences to Margaret Schmidt and both their families. YVONNE BALCER and MIA SCANGA Jersey City It was 1998. I can't recall the month exactly, but I remember it was around Christmas time. As I walked by table F8 along the front window of Top Notch Restaurant in Montclair one busy Saturday night, I thought I caught a glimpse of Jersey Journal columnist Peter Weiss. A senior majoring in English with hopes of one day breaking a juicy story for a daily, I was bursting with excitement. Imagine the prospects - a job offer, a mentor, a helping hand for a kid from Union City working two jobs and carrying a full-time load at school. Peter could have brushed me off as I approached the table and introduced myself, not as their waiter but as a young wannabe reporter interrupting his dinner party. But Peter would never have done that. Smiling without the slightest hint of presumption, he extended his hand in friendship, slipped a few jokes about how little reporters make, and made comments like, "Why would you want to do this to yourself?" He sparked a flurry of reporter jokes at a table loaded with journalist fortunate enough to have Peter call them friends. More than an hour later, I felt a tap on my shoulder, a tap I had hoped would be the unassuming guy in the corduroy blazer and jeans at table F8. "You know, if you're serious about working for a paper, you should give this person a call," he said, holding out one of his business cards with the name of the paper's managing editor scribbled on the back. I later learned that the editor, Margaret Schmidt, was his wife. Despite my lack of experience, Peter's gesture and open mind, and Margaret's willingness to bet on her husband's hunches, gave me my start in a business I love. A few months after that encounter, I was hired as the Hispanic affairs reporter and eventually covered Jersey City City Hall and wrote a column for a paper I grew up reading. At 23, I was sitting a dozen or so feet away from the great Peter Weiss - listening, laughing at his approach - and learning about journalism and life from a guy who didn't know how to say no, unless you were a politician. People like Peter don't just offer you a smile, handshake and an empty promise. They deliver honesty packaged in hope, laced with humor. I thanked him profusely that night amid the clanging silverware and chatter. Later in the somehow reliable elevator of that old building on Journal Square, I would thank him a couple of times after that. When I learned of his death and even now, days later, I feel like I never thanked him enough, not just for the opportunity but for the countless hours I spent eavesdropping on his conversations, learning how the job of journalism should be done. Peter, you taught me more than any book ever could, gave me a hand when I needed one and were never too busy to crack a joke or listen to me patiently while I tried to weasel some advice from you. I can't thank you enough. I hope there's plenty of Snapple and cream soda wherever you are. ALBERTO CANAL Peter Weiss may have been short in stature but was definitely tall in his profession. Whenever Peter's column appeared, it was the first item I would read in The Jersey Journal. He exposed Hudson County politics in a very special way that one could know the inside story. His presence will be missed in future years. ALLAN ROY BARDACK Peter Weiss was an old-fashioned reporter whose word was gold, and his readers and everyone he interacted with knew it. He was extremely well-networked to the political figures in Hudson County and throughout New Jersey. Peter had a smile and a wry sense of humor that could melt the heart of even the most hardened of politicians. Such inside access allowed him to give even more thoughtful analysis to his readers, who also very much enjoyed his great writing style. Peter was a warm, funny and genuinely kind human being who fought every day to bring the truth about the innermost workings of government to all his readers. I will miss him and his work, as will many others. U.S. REP. STEVE ROTHMAN D-Fair Lawn For more than 20 years, Peter and I talked about sports. Peter had the same razor-sharp wit and great knowledge when he talked about sports as he did when he talked about politics. We talked about all of it, especially the NFL playoffs, Super Bowls and the NCAA. I'm sorely going to miss him. My heart goes out to Margaret and everyone in the newsroom. MARTY MURPHY Jersey City Back in the '70s, former Councilman Thomas McGovern never missed Peter Weiss's column. He always liked the way he would word and say things about anyone in politics, bad or good. I remember he always had a good word for my husband, Tom, and I always treasured it. We both sat together reading his column. I will miss it very much. HELEN McGOVERN Jersey City Peter Weiss took me under his strong and generous wing when I was a very young, very naive, very ambitious young reporter working summers during college at The Jersey Journal. Peter at the time was already one of the most respected reporters on the paper. He didn't have to pay attention to this rather awkward, unsophisticated girl from St. Peter's College. Whenever I would get a bylined story, Peter would pass by my desk and say, "Good job, kid." Peter also took it upon himself to advance my social and cultural growth. He introduced me to Mexican food at a restaurant in Greenwich Village, and to Rattner's Jewish Deli where I ate my first knish. Then, in what appeared to be the height of sophistication at the time, he invited me to go with him to a Phil Ochs concert in a small cafe in the Village. When I look back at all the people who mentored me personally and professionally in my early career, Peter Weiss is the gentle little giant of kindness I will always hold in a special place in my heart. Praise him. JUDY VALENTE Chicago I was deeply saddened to learn of the passing of Peter Weiss. My deep-felt sympathy goes out to his wife, Margaret. I enjoyed our many conversations over the years, and while we did not always agree, I had a great deal of respect for Pete. No doubt, he will be missed. DENNIS P. COLLINS Former Bayonne mayor On my way to Pittsburgh on Wednesday I stopped in Jersey City for lunch and picked up a copy of The Jersey Journal. I was both shocked and saddened to read that Peter Weiss had passed away. Peter is a prominent fixture in my memories of Jersey City, where I lived for a year beginning in October 2001, and of The Jersey Journal, where with his help, I interned for several months. I started out as a stringer for The Jersey Journal, and he was the person I called every Monday and Friday to go over story ideas. Being from Los Angeles, I sometimes had trouble understanding him through his Jersey accent, but he seemed to like the stories I turned up. I had arrived in Jersey City without a job or any job prospects, and when Peter found out I was having a hard time he said he'd ask Margaret whether any internships were available. I started two days later as an obituary intern. I was then not only able to make ends meet, I also began building a career. I'm grateful to Peter because of it. When I applied for a two-year program with the Tribune Co., Peter gave me a glowing recommendation and would assure me that I'd get the job, which I did. HILDA M. MUNOZ Pete was the biggest newsroom star when I worked for The Jersey Journal as a reporter in the late 1980s, but he always had time to counsel and nurture young reporters trying to make a living in journalism. I was one of them. I was green, eager and had the thickest Chilean accent - having arrived in the United States just years earlier - and Pete always treated me with a combination of amusement and respect. It didn't matter to him that I was the "copy girl" who got people's food, someone who would cling to his every word on the long nights we used to spend on the city desk in Jersey City. For my part, I watched and learned from him, and from another editor, John Watson, who is no longer there. Pete lived in the newsroom. He used to come and go. At all hours. The ultimate political insider, he knew his beat had no set deadlines. What a role model for me! And Pete would make the night go quickly; he'd sing the song "Nobody knows the troubles I've seen" in deep baritone. And he would smile, because he was a happy guy. He was a lucky guy. Regular people, politicians and other journalists admired him. You knew this guy just loved his job. To see him work the phones and to deal one on one with politicos - to see him composing at the manual typewriters, pressing key by key - he was the best journalism mentor I ever had. I credit him with helping me become the journalist I am today. He was the biggest star, yet he was so humble. I just wish Pete were here today to tell him what a great contribution he made to my life. I love you, Pete, and I will never forget you. Thanks. BLANCA MONICA QUINTANILLA Editor at Newsday North Bergen To say that Peter Weiss was unique is to understate the legacy that he left behind. Pete Weiss was exceptional. Pete had a knack for knowing how to draw the line between plying his trade as a political columnist and being a friend. He did so with a class and style that is hard to imagine anyone else being able to duplicate. In addition to writing his must-read columns, Peter also covered Hudson County government. I had come to treasure our routine conversations about politics and life while attending the caucus and meetings of the freeholder board. As time went by, these conversations gravitated more toward life and less and less about politics. On those occasions when Peter plied his trade with respect to me - I have learned volumes. Mainly, not to take or see things as seriously as we all sometimes do. Life goes on. His columns helped me to become known and, along with others, gave me that polite kick in the pants when straying from my established political or governmental beliefs. Peter had mastered journalistic fairness and dispensed it like blind justice. He had a gift for enabling many of the subjects of his columns to see the forest for the trees. Like countless others, I will miss this quaint, humble giant of a man. I will miss his friendship, benevolence and keen wit. I will miss Pete's special charm to lighten things up when we all take ourselves too seriously. But what I think I, along with countless others, will especially miss about Peter was the care and time he took in pointing out to us all the forest for the trees. LOUIS M. MANZO My memories of Pete: He walked slow, he talked slow. You'd asked him a question, he answered it to the point without elaboration. He knew his politics, yet he didn't flaunt it. He didn't try to impress you with his knowledge, but he was a walking book of facts. I can still picture him, even after 12 years in retirement, with his feet up on the desk and a phone glued to his ear. A great loss to The Jersey Journal, he'll be missed. ALBERT CICETTI ***************** End Of Article ****************** and Glazer up my u no what posted Message 1507 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 17:14:44 Subject: Re: Yummy Yummy Yummy I gritts in my Tummy : A steady diet of Porterhouse with Bernaise sauce leads to bloating. : : get a few bucks or a free meal. Bobby Jackson is so white. He always goes to Ruth's Chris Steakhouse for his mofongo. That's all on your dime. He is so ethnic Smith and Wollenski and The Palm have put Pernil on the menu in case he comes in with his Glenns entourage. Look at ELEC disbursements. Swill and Slop and it on all of us who pay taxes. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BlindJustice posted Message 1508 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 21:54:08 Subject: Re: TODAY ON THIS DAY.... To whoever placed my post on this forum, Thank you. As I have very seldom come here, it is nice to know that you thought enough of it to place it here. There's a mistake or two but it is the thought that counts. Once again, Thank you. BJ : On this day, I lost no one I knew. But I lost everyone I knew. These people were me, they were you, they were us. : As for those of you who say "Enough already", you are exactly the reason why there are those in the world who think America is weak. Your "yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's over so what, get over it attitude" is a sad commentary. You are either very cold & callous or in deeper pain than those of us who verbalize it. In either case, I well say a prayer for you too. : U nited : S trong : A merican : MAY GOD CONTINUE TO SHED HIS GRACE ON US. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gary Coleman posted Message 1509 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 23:31:07 Subject: Gary Coleman hired as political consultant to HCDO Gary Coleman a candidate for govenor of California has signed a deal to consult the HCDO on campaign efforts. The HCDO said that Bozo the Clown was busy in Trenton. After spending 4 million to defeat Glenn Cunningham the HCDO lost and was defeated itself. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ruth Chris posted Message 1510 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 23:34:46 Subject: Ruth Chris hired as political consultant by the HCDO Ruth Chris the founder of the famous steakhouse has accepted the appointment of the HCDO as political consultant. The HCDO said Ronald McDonald was already taken by Trenton. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO Official Clown posted Message 1511 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 23:38:06 Subject: HCDO has decided to go into the Circus The HCDO has decided that after its inability to field a candidate no matter how much money they spend they will now attempt to get as many clowns into a car as possible. The car will be provided by the Federal Government and leave Jersey City for Allenwood shortly. The big shoes and rubber noses are not required considering most of the HCDO look like clowns without them. Honk Honk. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The greatest show on earth posted Message 1512 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 23:40:24 Subject: HCDO preforms without a net high above the big top The juggling accountants and the high wire act of political corruption preformed for millions even billions over the last 50 years has come to and end. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pulitzer posted Message 1513 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 23:45:24 Subject: The Pulitzer Prize Committee has renamed the award The Pulitzer Prize Committee has renamed the award to the Glazer award in honor of the famous journalist for reporting the lies and corruption of the HCDO and Congressman ?. Since Glazer will not be recognized for this brave act the Pulitzer Prize Committee feels that the award should be renamed. Of course the majority of political hacks and those they served will be forever in our memories and hearts all except the people they helped to steal from. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BUSTED BIG TIME HUH! posted Message 1514 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 13, 2003 at 23:49:47 Subject: LQQK BELOW GLAZER IS AT IT AGAIN! Lets go to the tape! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Old Friend posted Message 1515 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:03:37 Subject: Re: DID YA HEAR THE ONE ABOUT "SOBBIN' BOB" : BOB MENENDEZ "SOBBING" OVER THE NEWS OF PETEY WEISS' DEATH. THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO WOULD NOT BURY HIS OWN FATHER, DARIUS MENENDEZ. MUSTO PAID FOR THE FUNERAL OF MENENDEZ' FATHER. THE SAME GUY "SOBS" FOR PETE WEISS. SURE HE DID. Anthony, When is enough enough.Your site is a cesspool of hate, venom and libel. When do you pull the cord on this human waste. What may have been a good idea has gone awry. This whole bathroom wall of a message board reflects on YOU and Your character and will never be forgotten. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT Glazer Dufus posted Message 1516 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:13:06 Subject: Re: LQQK BELOW GLAZER IS AT IT AGAIN! So where is Glazer in any of this he did not post I did you idiot. How about you realize something you are part of the evil empire and have contributed to it like the Jersey Journal and other hack journalist organizations. Why you are allowed to breath is beyond me God must have a sense of humor. : Lets go to the tape! ***************** End Of Article ****************** ALL OF THE PEOPLE posted Message 1517 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:17:20 Subject: THE CLOWNS OF HUDSON COUNTY BOZO HAS NOTHING ON THE ELECTORATE OF HUDSON COUNTY. THEY GET THE RUBBBER NOSE AND PUT ON THE BIG SHOES EVERY DAY BUT DO NOT KNOW IT SINCE THE HEAD OF THE CIRCUS HAS NEVER TOLD THEM IT IS A CIRCUS. THE HCDO IS THE RING MASTER AND ALSO THE GUY THAT BITES THE HEADS OFF OF CHICKENS FOR A PINT OF WHISKEY. YOU THE POOR STUPID IDIOT OF HUDSON COUNTY GET WHAT YOU ASKED FOR PRETENDING TO BE FREE. YOU ARE CLOWNS ONLY FOOLS FOR THE CORRUPT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1518 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:19:02 Subject: SQUIRT HEAD THINK A LITTLE BETWEEN YOUR NEXT PIPE HIT CRACK HEAD. : Lets go to the tape! ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO CRACK WHQRE NOT GLAZER posted Message 1519 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:22:25 Subject: HCDO REWARDS CRIME AND DRUGS SINCE THE HCDO HAS TAKEN AND AIDED THE USE AND ABUSE OF DRUGS VIA DON SCARINCI HELPING IMPORTERS AND DISTRIBUTORS TO LAUNDER FUNDS THE HCDO IS A DRUG DEALER. WHO KNOWS MAYBE THE BELOVED CONGRESSMAN HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER AGAIN posted Message 1520 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:24:57 Subject: SEPERATE JERSEY CITY FROM HUDSON COUNTY NOT GLAZER NEVER WILL BE YOU THINK THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON THAT HATES CORRUPTION CRIME AND RACISM. HCDO THE RACIST ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO BE ISOLATED VIA A SEPERATE COUNTY BEING FORMED BY JERSEY CITY ALLOWING THE RESIDENCES TO BE FREE OF THE THE CORRUPTION OF THE HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1521 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:26:51 Subject: HCDO=RACISM=CORRUPTION=MENENDEZ OUR BELOVED CONGRESSMAN SHOULD BE RECALLED AND HIS SEAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO SOMEONE WHO CAN SERVE THE PUBLIC AND NOT COST A FORTUNE EATING STEAK. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Me posted Message 1522 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:29:01 Subject: Re: LQQK BELOW GLAZER IS AT IT AGAIN! Well, I think you need to take some happy pills Mr. Crummpy! Did you wake up on the wrong side of the stall? Now go to you happy place and be a good little boy or girl. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1523 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:29:16 Subject: SO WHY IN THE WORLD IS MCGREEVEY STILL IN OFFICE THROW THE GOVENOR OUT OF OFFICE FREE THE STATE FROM THE CRIME OF CORRUPTION. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU WONDERED WHERE ALL THOSE TAX DOLLARS GO? HOW CAN THE LONGHSHOREMAN AFFORD TO SEND A GOVENOR ON A VACATION? WHAT ARE MCGREEVEY'S TIES TO THE LONGSHOREMEN? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Now boys and girls.. posted Message 1524 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:29:49 Subject: Re: THE CLOWNS OF HUDSON COUNTY Go to your happy place! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Me posted Message 1525 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:30:31 Subject: Re: SO WHY IN THE WORLD IS MCGREEVEY STILL IN OFFICE Can't argue on that one! ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1526 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:31:00 Subject: ROGER CHUGH BUY A GOVENOR I HAVE ONE BUY A GOVENOR EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE ONE I DO AND I LOVE IT THEY GET YOU BREAKFAST IN BED CLEAN THE KITCHEN AND WASH MY SHIRTS. EVERYONE SHOULD OWN A GOVENOR. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Boring posted Message 1527 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:31:11 Subject: Re: HCDO=RACISM=CORRUPTION=MENENDEZ Man this is getting old! ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1528 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:32:28 Subject: NOT GLAZER HAS OFFICIALLY DECLARED TODAY GLAZER DAY AS A WAY OF SHOWING OUR LOVE FOR A REAL JOURNALIST NOT SOME HACK FROM THE JERSEY JOURNAL. ***************** End Of Article ****************** me posted Message 1529 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:32:56 Subject: Re: SEPERATE JERSEY CITY FROM HUDSON COUNTY So if you hate it move ....or why don't you run for office and change the world. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ME posted Message 1530 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:33:33 Subject: Re: NOT GLAZER HAS OFFICIALLY DECLARED TODAY BARF! ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT BORING posted Message 1531 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:34:13 Subject: Re: HCDO=RACISM=CORRUPTION=MENENDEZ WHEN THIS GETS OLD IS WHEN IT STOPS ONCE AND FOR ALL. RACISM EVEN THE KIND THE HCDO IS DOING IS NEVER OLD. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE PEOPLE DOES NOT MEAN THEY DO NOT STEAL AND TARGET THE BLACK WARD F. : Man this is getting old! ***************** End Of Article ****************** ME posted Message 1532 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:34:29 Subject: Re: ROGER CHUGH BUY A GOVENOR I HAVE ONE : BUY A GOVENOR EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE ONE I DO AND I LOVE IT THEY GET YOU BREAKFAST IN BED CLEAN THE KITCHEN AND WASH MY SHIRTS. EVERYONE SHOULD OWN A GOVENOR. Same as Bobby and Glen..Right? ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1533 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:35:46 Subject: Re: SEPERATE JERSEY CITY FROM HUDSON COUNTY IF YOU PAY FOR THE BULLET PROOF VEST I WILL UNTIL THEN LAY LOW THE HCDO WILL NOT GO DOWN WITHOUT TAKING A FEW GOOD PEOPLE WITH THEM. : So if you hate it move ....or why don't you run for office and change the world. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1534 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:36:45 Subject: Re: THE CLOWNS OF HUDSON COUNTY SO THIS IS A BOZO NO NO : Go to your happy place! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Me posted Message 1535 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:38:08 Subject: Re: HCDO=RACISM=CORRUPTION=MENENDEZ : WHEN THIS GETS OLD IS WHEN IT STOPS ONCE AND FOR ALL. RACISM EVEN THE KIND THE HCDO IS DOING IS NEVER OLD. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE PEOPLE DOES NOT MEAN THEY DO NOT STEAL AND TARGET THE BLACK WARD F. : : Man this is getting old! Bull crap the racism, the stealing, the problems in ward f is Bobby Jackson and company.Rev. Al Joe Cardwell and the newbie Santiago. ***************** End Of Article ****************** me posted Message 1536 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:38:57 Subject: Re: THE CLOWNS OF HUDSON COUNTY Yes in deedie ***************** End Of Article ****************** Me posted Message 1537 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:40:10 Subject: Re: SEPERATE JERSEY CITY FROM HUDSON COUNTY Where do I send the check? ***************** End Of Article ****************** the persons got a point posted Message 1538 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:41:44 Subject: Re: DID YA HEAR THE ONE ABOUT "SOBBIN' BOB" Well Anthony? ***************** End Of Article ****************** me posted Message 1539 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:44:35 Subject: Re: HCDO REWARDS CRIME AND DRUGS You so need help! ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1540 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:50:07 Subject: DO YOU MEAN THE MAYOR AND THE OWNER OF UTN? YES OF COURSE YOU DO BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME SITUATION BOTH OF THEM HAS SUFFERED BECAUSE OF THEIR STRUGGLE TO BRING REPRESENTATION TO WARD F AND JERSEY CITY IN GENERAL SINCE THE HCDO SEES JERSEY CITY AS A CASH REGISTER. NOW THE OWNER OF THE UTN HAS HAD HIS LIFE THREATENED AND IF HE WHERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE CORRUPTION HE COULD HAVE EASILY MADE A BETTER INVESTMENT HE COULD HAVE SIMPLY PAID OFF SCARINCI BUT THEY DID NOT. SO IF YOU OBJECT TO SCARINCI AND MENENDEZ NOT RECIEVING GRAFT THEN I SEE YOUR POINT, BUT THE UTN AND ITS OWNER HAVE LAID THEIR MONEY DOWN FOR THE TRUTH AND NO CORRUPTION THE HCDO HAS MADE THEIR BETS ELSEWHERE. I THINK THE FEDS WILL BE CALLING THE HCDOS MARKERS IN SHORTLY THEY PLAYED A DIRTY GAME AND LOST THANK GOD. : : BUY A GOVENOR EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE ONE I DO AND I LOVE IT THEY GET YOU BREAKFAST IN BED CLEAN THE KITCHEN AND WASH MY SHIRTS. EVERYONE SHOULD OWN A GOVENOR. : Same as Bobby and Glen..Right? ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1541 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:52:28 Subject: CHECKS IN THE MAIL ANOTHER LIE BEET ME WHIP ME MAKE ME WRITE BAD CHECKS OR RUN FOR OFFICE. I SHOULD MENTION I DID RUN FOR OFFICE ONCE A LONG TIME AGO. : Where do I send the check? ***************** End Of Article ****************** me posted Message 1542 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:58:18 Subject: Re: DO YOU MEAN THE MAYOR AND THE OWNER OF UTN? Like I said Same as Bobby Jackson..no diff. The apples don't fall far from the tree! And Bobby having his LIFE THREATENED is he using that line again...just like the 80's ***************** End Of Article ****************** me posted Message 1543 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 09:59:33 Subject: Re: CHECKS IN THE MAIL ANOTHER LIE My checks are never bad...so did you win? I commend you for taking a stand. : : : Where do I send the check? ***************** End Of Article ****************** AK Bar al Aych Seedio posted Message 1544 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 10:38:20 Subject: DEATH TO THE INFIDEL-DRIVE THEM INTO THE SEA Bob is good. Bob is Great. Death to the Infidel. All praise be to Bob Defender of The Faithful. Blessed in paradise are the martyrs who give their lives to the Great Cause. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1545 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 11:17:45 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Worth repeating posted Message 1546 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 15:22:04 Subject: Re: DO YOU MEAN THE MAYOR AND THE OWNER OF UTN? You post would be wonderful if it did not contain one major flaw ….Bobby Jackson! People do not dislike Mr. Jackson for his ethnic background; we dislike him because he is dishonest. If Mr. Jackson were a big yellow bird from a street named Sesame, we would still feel the same way. • He is dishonest. • He was found guilty of civil rights violations against fellow African-Americans • He extorts from the waterfront corporations with his many “Lobbyist firms” • However, most importantly he does nothing to better his own community • What kind of role model is he to the children of Jersey City, can you imagine what the future holds if they all followed his example. Scary huh? I would love to know the wonderful things he has done for his community. Tell me and maybe just maybe you can change my views until then my opinion stays as is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** And that is Mr. Dufus to you posted Message 1547 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 15:55:16 Subject: Re: LQQK BELOW GLAZER IS AT IT AGAIN! DUFUS?...how old are you! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Old Friend posted Message 1548 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 18:32:27 Subject: Enough Is Enough Anthony, When is enough enough.Your site is a cesspool of hate, venom and libel. When do you pull the cord on this human waste. What may have been a good idea has gone awry. This whole bathroom wall of a message board reflects on YOU and Your character and will never be forgotten. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1549 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 19:04:50 Subject: Re: Enough Is Enough Jeepers, I know exactly what you mean. I expected a Hudson County Message Board to attract a bunch of tea sippers with their pinkies up on the air! : Anthony, When is enough enough.Your site is a cesspool of hate, venom and libel. When do you pull the cord on this human waste. What may have been a good idea has gone awry. This whole bathroom wall of a message board reflects on YOU and Your character and will never be forgotten. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT Glazer posted Message 1550 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 19:24:11 Subject: Re: Enough Is Enough I think that honest discussions on how to throw the bums out of office is polite. But to suggest Anthony is anything other than a gentleman is crazy. This is the best board on the web and honest talk about what to do with the crooks should be welcomed unless your a crook. : Jeepers, I know exactly what you mean. I expected a Hudson County Message Board to attract a bunch of tea sippers with their pinkies up on the air! : : Anthony, When is enough enough.Your site is a cesspool of hate, venom and libel. When do you pull the cord on this human waste. What may have been a good idea has gone awry. This whole bathroom wall of a message board reflects on YOU and Your character and will never be forgotten. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1551 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 19:25:55 Subject: I DECLARE MONDAY AS ANTHONY APPRECIATION DAY HOORRAY FOR ANTHONY THE PROVIDER OF THE MEDIUM OF TRUTH. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NOT GLAZER posted Message 1552 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 19:27:10 Subject: ANTHONY SHOULD HAVE A FAN CLUB SINCE HIS SITE IS GREAT ANTHONY WE ALL LOVE YOU EVEN IF WE DO NOT KNOW YOU DIRECTLY. PEACE AND LOVE ANTHONY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FELCHING GERBILS posted Message 1553 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 19:38:42 Subject: I SUPPORT THE HCDO AS A FREQUENTLY FELCHED GERBIL I SUPPORT THE HCDO ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1554 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 19:58:03 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Miss Crabtree posted Message 1555 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 21:54:27 Subject: Can't spell SEPARATE again. I'm going to have to write a letter about you to your parents. Spanky, Alfalfa and Buckwheat are getting letters as well. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1556 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 22:03:42 Subject: Oh lighten up !! Anthony is what he is. A struggling entrepreneur wading through the cesspool that is Jersey City. Forgive him. Being a Schundler sycophant is a difficult cross to bear. And now Anthony has taken up a new burden. Call it the White Man's Burden if you dare. He has taken Glenn Cunningham and the UTN on his broad back to bring them to freedom and the promised land. A task similar in nature to Hercules cleaning out the stables. Can we all sing a chorus of WE SHALL OVERCOME. HALLELUJAH !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** ME posted Message 1557 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 22:18:15 Subject: Re: Oh lighten up !! Knowing who Chakotay is...I do not believe this is "Chakotay" posting. It is someone trying to cause trouble...maybe they want you to believe that their "Quest" is justified. But the truth little man is it is not! ***************** End Of Article ****************** rotflmmfao posted Message 1558 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 14, 2003 at 22:25:26 Subject: rotflmmfao : Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Happy Web Browser posted Message 1559 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 05:23:09 Subject: I enjoy this forum - Thank You Webmaster I truly enjoy this forum. Thank You Anthony - Just wanted to let you know that you are appreciated. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BARNEY posted Message 1560 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 08:18:56 Subject: Re: I enjoy this forum - Thank You Webmaster I love you; You love me; we a happy Family..... ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1561 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 08:53:04 Subject: Re: Oh lighten up !! The theme of racial slurs and the call for racial solidarity (circling-the-wagons) present in this post now reappear again and again in our little Hudson County politics fugue. Never before have we seen this canker (overtly, at any rate) in mainstream politics in the Northeast. Even Wallace in 1968, campaigned on a platform of Law and Order, not Race. And these spores of hatred aren't coming from Archie Bunker in some blue collar bar. Communication professionals are the source. What I want to know is how far do they want the fungus to spread? Just to the point of keeping most of the Hudson County Cities under County Hegemony? Are they willing to accept a few bystanders roughed up for the cause? How many riots will be within allowable limits? How about a Klan march and rally? Also, here we find the second (that I've seen) reference to government as a stable. All used to strive to always describe Public Service as a noble calling. We now see a political group calling Public Service a collection of beasts of burden. : Anthony is what he is. A struggling entrepreneur wading through the cesspool that is Jersey City. Forgive him. Being a Schundler sycophant is a difficult cross to bear. : And now Anthony has taken up a new burden. Call it the White Man's Burden if you dare. He has taken Glenn Cunningham and the UTN on his broad back to bring them to freedom and the promised land. A task similar in nature to Hercules cleaning out the stables. : Can we all sing a chorus of WE SHALL OVERCOME. HALLELUJAH !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1562 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 08:55:06 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BARNEY posted Message 1563 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 10:08:01 Subject: Re: I enjoy this forum - Thank You Webmaster I LOVE YOU; YOU LOVE ME; WE THIS HAPPY FAMILY; WITH A GREAT BIG HUG AND A KISS FROM ME TO YOU....WON'T YOU SAY YOU LOVE ME TOO! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer posted Message 1564 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 10:22:59 Subject: Freedom of Speech Anthony Olszzewski courageously provides a valuable service at no cost open to all, guaranteeing expression of wildly divergent opinion, no matter how far from the so-called mainstream. This is a democratic ideal, this is what we as a nation are willing to go to war to defend. With the few exceptions of adult content, commercial promotion of other enterprises (free advertising=theft of services.) and gratuitous ethnic and racial slurs, anyone can say anything they like and publicly air their views. Those opinions, sometimes unpopular would find no outlet if not for GETNj.COM You do not have to endorse, support, concur with or even like those views. But if you support the democratic ideal, you are obligated to grant the holder of those opinions the same right to their views as you would expect for your own. You don't have to like it. You MUST respect it. Anthony Olzewski deserves our gratitude for providing this forum regardless your own politics. Steven Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** I feel the earth move.... posted Message 1565 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 10:28:27 Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech You move us Glazer...sniff, sniff! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Joe Pufter posted Message 1566 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 11:18:34 Subject: Keep an eye on BUGS, mother nature will appreciate it! Just check them out on your own, BUGS.OB is worth the effort! http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=bugs.ob www.bugsatwork.com http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=sswm.ob Take care ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1567 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 12:18:34 Subject: THANK YOU ANTHONY !!! For providing a forum where a sleazy rumor-monger like Glazer can spread his lies and innuendoes. The democratic ideal my a$$. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO VICTORY CELEBRATION posted Message 1568 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 12:50:08 Subject: FELCHING PRIMARY Actual Article from the LA Times - Thanks Ed Toner California people are strange! "In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomaszewski and his homosexual partner, Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong. "I pushed a cardboard tube up his rectum and slipped Raggot, our gerbil, in," he explained. "As usual, Kiki shouted out "Armageddon", my cue that he'd had enough. I tried to retrieve Raggot but he wouldn't come out again, so I peered into the tube and struck a match, thinking the light might attract him." At a hushed press conference a hospital spokesperson described what happened next. "The match ignited a pocket of intestinal gas and a flame shot out the tubing, igniting Mr. Tomaszewski's hair and severely burning his face. It also set fire to the gerbil's fur and whiskers which in turn, ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the intestine propelling the rodent out like a cannonball." Tomaszewski suffered second degree burns and a broken nose from the impact of the gerbil, while Farnum suffered first and second degree burns to his anus and lower intestinal tract. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mickey Mouse posted Message 1569 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 13:48:26 Subject: Re: FELCHING PRIMARY You boys at UTN central really do have a "thing" for anal, must be that dick in your a$$ ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1570 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 15:19:16 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1571 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 16:57:40 Subject: Tonites show. Hudson County awards 2 contracts totaling 18m both seem shaky at best, Judge rules in favor of the forces of Cunningham and the Med Center expo! all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Curious posted Message 1572 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 19:07:42 Subject: A question for Steven Glazer : In all the sleaziness of Jersey City politics this guy is the lowest of the low. What exactly is out of bounds? Poking fun at a guy when his son dies? Not to Glazer. Speculating that a young woman is pregnant and who the father is. How many illegitimate kids has Glenn had? Even the likes of McCann knew that family was off limits but not this piece of crap. What goes around comes around and its coming real soon real hard you punk. What a way to make a living. Being Bobby Jackson's lackey. Bobby is a lackey himself and Glazer is his but boy. His little white boy toy. I'm one of the whites in this town who voted for Glenn and I deeply regret it. The fact that he allows no talent low lifes like you to polarize this city is a mark of his inferior leadership abilities and a sub-par intellect.Explain to us what makes a man into a hoe.does the name David Dinkins ring a bell? And Steve, do you have the nerve to Harvey, "Uncle Harvey" to his face? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Uncle Harvey posted Message 1573 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 19:54:06 Subject: Re: A question for Steven Glazer Yeh to my face both of them : : In all the sleaziness of Jersey City politics this guy is the lowest of the low. What exactly is out of bounds? Poking fun at a guy when his son dies? Not to Glazer. Speculating that a young woman is pregnant and who the father is. How many illegitimate kids has Glenn had? Even the likes of McCann knew that family was off limits but not this piece of crap. What goes around comes around and its coming real soon real hard you punk. : What a way to make a living. Being Bobby Jackson's lackey. Bobby is a lackey himself and Glazer is his but boy. His little white boy toy. I'm one of the whites in this town who voted for Glenn and I deeply regret it. The fact that he allows no talent low lifes like you to polarize this city is a mark of his inferior leadership abilities and a sub-par intellect.Explain to us what makes a man into a hoe.does the name David Dinkins ring a bell? And Steve, do you have the nerve to Harvey, "Uncle Harvey" to his face? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Auntie Harvey posted Message 1574 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 19:55:40 Subject: I just a little girl leave me a alone Stop picking on me I'm Auntie Harvey ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kick the HCDO in the teeth posted Message 1575 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 19:58:14 Subject: Down with the HCDO RACISM All these fat over paid bribe taking HCDO people want eveybody to leave them alone now that they have been caught stealing. Well no now is a new day people that steal should at least hide it, but the bold HCDO puts in my face why do they expect us to take it? We shall not only over come but place our foot in your teeth. ***************** End Of Article ****************** joe2704 posted Message 1576 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 20:32:30 Subject: A question for Galzer Bro ,what is the scoop on the "tape"? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Joe2704 posted Message 1577 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 20:33:23 Subject: Re: I just a little girl leave me a alone >Who is Auntie Harvey? : Stop picking on me I'm Auntie Harvey ***************** End Of Article ****************** Joe2704 posted Message 1578 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 20:34:44 Subject: Re: Down with the HCDO RACISM Who wants to be left alone? WE WANT NAMES.................... : All these fat over paid bribe taking HCDO people want eveybody to leave them alone now that they have been caught stealing. Well no now is a new day people that steal should at least hide it, but the bold HCDO puts in my face why do they expect us to take it? We shall not only over come but place our foot in your teeth. ***************** End Of Article ****************** carolyn Hadge posted Message 1579 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 21:33:45 Subject: Re: Jersey City Medical Center-What You Don’t Know Can Kill You I work with non violent criminals coming out of jail. I am trying to build a network of resources and have had a little difficulty trying to get a response and some mutual respect from one of the depatments. Now I have read this article and I can understand why - we need viable services - people can change their behavior and have a positive impact on a community - But if they are treated subhumanly and with no rspect then chances for change are minimal. I love Jersey city and want to learnall about it - Please keep me posted - thanks, Steve for your info. ***************** End Of Article ****************** George posted Message 1580 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 15, 2003 at 21:50:14 Subject: Re: A question for Steven Glazer You have a point Steve. You are so short you only reach his azz. So I guess you can only speak face to azz ***************** End Of Article ****************** In your dreams posted Message 1581 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 07:02:38 Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech This is just a sleazy NJO. Messages vanish from here too. So there is no great public service. Just try to type the word "s"t"i"n"k"e"r" & see what happens. Where's the vulgarity in that word? : Anthony Olszzewski courageously provides a valuable service at no cost open to all, guaranteeing expression of wildly divergent opinion, no matter how far from the so-called mainstream. This is a democratic ideal, this is what we as a nation are willing to go to war to defend. With the few exceptions of adult content, commercial promotion of other enterprises (free advertising=theft of services.) and gratuitous ethnic and racial slurs, anyone can say anything they like and publicly air their views. Those opinions, sometimes unpopular would find no outlet if not for GETNj.COM You do not have to endorse, support, concur with or even like those views. But if you support the democratic ideal, you are obligated to grant the holder of those opinions the same right to their views as you would expect for your own. You don't have to like it. You MUST respect it. Anthony Olzewski deserves our gratitude for providing this forum regardless your own politics. : Steven Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** LannyDavis, posted Message 1582 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 08:15:07 Subject: Glazer & Kennelly are needed here Found the on NJO ..ROTFLMFHO the big boys do not have the time or the expertise to come in here and play word games with the unwashed masses. It's up to the low lifes like us to do the dirty work and suffer all the slings and arrows etc. Rule #1 - Always ignore the charges and just initiate a personal attack against the person who is making them. Rule #2 - Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. Rule #3 - When cornered, argue over the definition of words in the English language. Rule #4 - Instead of responding to charges, refer to a similar offense by the other party. Good luck guys - and remember, I got my start in this town too. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1583 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 09:47:57 Subject: Lanny .. You're my hero ! If I only had as dynamic a boss as your guy Slick Willy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1584 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 10:23:39 Subject: NJN Video: HCDO Appeals Judge D'Italia's Decision The HCDO rallies in front of the old Courthouse to announce their appeal of Judge D'Italia's decision. To view the video Online, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bob's Party is OVER posted Message 1585 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 10:32:20 Subject: Menendez - Worry About The Federal Courts : The HCDO rallies in front of the old Courthouse to announce their appeal of Judge D'Italia's decision. : To view the video Online, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kennelley's Got Tough Job posted Message 1586 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 10:35:50 Subject: Chakotay Stuck With TOM DeDUMB Keep dreaming Jim - Your stuck with the guy who could not even win Jersey City in the Primary after spending 2 Million. : If I only had as dynamic a boss as your guy Slick Willy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Felafel Bob posted Message 1587 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 11:17:36 Subject: Big Sale Special discount this week to all HCDO on Purina Jurbul Chow for that slick smooth glossy coat that Congressman Bob likes so much. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mr. Banks posted Message 1588 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 11:18:53 Subject: Re: Menendez - Worry About The Federal Courts : : The HCDO rallies in front of the old Courthouse to announce their appeal of Judge D'Italia's decision. : : To view the video Online, please click on the Link. Metal Shop occupational rehab. License plates for fun and profit. ***************** End Of Article ****************** SK posted Message 1589 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 16:05:02 Subject: Hudson Democrats blast role of McGreevey attorney general in campaign finance case; accuse Harvey of buckling to political pressure Hudson Democrats blast role of McGreevey attorney general in campaign finance case; accuse Harvey of buckling to political pressure By STEVE KORNACKI PoliticsNJ.com JERSEY CITY, September 15 - Leaders of the Hudson County Democratic Organization today laid the blame for their failed legal challenge to the results of the 31st District's June Democratic primary on a judge who they say misinterpreted state election law and an attorney general's office that they believe failed to stand up for the law because of political pressure. Rep. Robert Menendez (D-Hoboken), the HCDO's highest-ranking elected official, and state Senate Majority Leader Bernard F. Kenny, Jr. (D-Hoboken), the Hudson County Democratic Chairman, headlined a press conference on the steps of the Hudson County Superior Courthouse in Jersey City this morning at which the HCDO and its 31st District candidates blasted Superior Court Judge Arthur N. D'Italia's decision last week to dismiss their election contest on the grounds that campaign contribution limits don't apply to primaries as a poor precedent and predicted their appeal would be successful. But the harshest criticism from the HCDO leaders was reserved for state Attorney General Peter C. Harvey, whose office had declared itself neutral in the case while D'Italia heard it. In so doing, Kenny and other HCDO leaders charged today, Harvey shirked his responsibility to enforce the law. Specifically, Kenny attacked Harvey's office for withdrawing a letter to D'Italia before the trial that stated the court was the proper venue for the election challenge, failing to inform the state Election Law Enforcement Commission (ELEC) that the law governing contribution limits was being called into question, and never offering an opinion to D'Italia during the trial about whether contribution limits apply to primaries. A deputy attorney general was present in the courtroom throughout the trial, identifying himself before each session as appearing on behalf of the attorney general's office. "It should be noted that the attorney general's office, in three separate instances, took positions that were antagonistic to the laws of the state of New Jersey," Kenny stated. Afterwards, Kenny branded Harvey's conduct with respect to the election challenge "unethical" and said he was susp-icious that the attorney general's office had maintained a low profile during the trial because of political pressure. "I don't know if anyone was putting the pressure on him, but the buck has to stop with Peter Harvey," said Kenny. Asked if he was calling for any kind of sanction or punishment for Harvey, Kenny would only say, 'We're not through with him." Harvey's office wouldn't comment on the specific criticisms from Kenny and his fellow HCDO leaders, but by the end of the day, the attorney general had released a brief statement promising to support any appeal. "The Court's unexpected ruling in this case, in our view is contrary to legislative intent and upsets years of campaign finance practice," the statement read. "New Jersey Campaign Finance Law is designed to limit contributions in primary and general elections. We will support that principle." Harvey was confirmed as attorney general several months ago after a protracted confirmation process. Kenny, who voted to confirm Harvey, said he now regrets the vote. "I supported him because he told me he was a man of integrity," Kenny said. "How his office got out of control like this I don't know." A spokesman for the man who appointed Harvey, Gov. James E. McGreevey, was not anxious to address Kenny's pointed attacks. "I think he's more than capable of defending himself and I think he's the best one to explain his position in that case," said Micah Rasmussen, the governor's spokesman, said of Harvey. The HCDO was a key ally of McGreevey in his quest to win the governorship, but the governor has alienated the powerful Democratic Organization with several of his moves in recent months. Earlier this year, he angered Menendez when he opted not to appoint Zulima Farber to the Supreme Court, despite apparently assuring the congressman that he intended to nominate a Hispanic for the post. Rasmussen said McGreevey supports the HCDO's appeal of D'Italia's ruling because the governor believes there should be contribution limits in primaries, but stressed that McGreevey has no position on the specific aspects of the HCDO's election challenge. Kenny said if it seems his organization is at war with its own governor, it's not the HCDO's fault. "Every time we are put in position to react to something that the governor has done or the attorney general has done, we're asked to explain why we're reacting," he said. "We were victims of the attorney general here." The HCDO's press conference came just minutes after lawyers for Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria (D-Bayonne) and Assemblywoman Elba Perez-Cinciarelli (D-Jersey City), the HCDO-backed candidates who were defeated in the 31st District's June primary, appeared in court and dropped the last remaining count of their election challenge. Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli lost to former Hudson County Freeholder Louis Manzo and Bayonne Councilman Anthony Chiappone, who ran on a slate organized by Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham. Cunningham bested L. Harvey Smith, Jersey City's council president, for the state Senate nomination. Despite their setback last week, HCDO leaders still hope to overturn the primary results on the grounds that Cunningham's slate received contributions that far exceeded limits established in a 1973 state law that set caps for individual and group donations for elections. D'Italia said his reading of the law led him to believe that the limits applied only to elections that led directly to a candidate winning public office. Primaries, in which parties nominate candidates for general elections, don't fall into that category, the judge opined. But at their press conference, the HCDO leaders said the ruling would lead to chaos, with candidates raising unlimited money in primaries and then simply carrying their balances over to the general election. The HCDO positioned its appeal of D'Italia's ruling as a defense of clean campaigning. "This has much greater consequences than just the race in the 31st District," said Menendez, who identified himself as a leading proponent of campaign finance reform at the congressional level. "This has statewide ramifications. This turns campaign finance on its ears." Menendez noted that the lack of contribution limits would give well-funded interests -- he singled out the casino industry -- an outsized voice in elections. The HCDO leaders also boated that they are being joined in their appeal by ELEC. Kenny noted that ELEC has retained private counsel for the appeal, which he said was because the commission had lost faith in the attorney general's office. But Jeffrey Brindle, ELEC's deputy director, said ELEC routinely uses private counsel and has no position on the attorney general's role in the election challenge. Even if an appeals court rules that contribution limits do apply to primaries, the HCDO must still prove that the contributions Cunningham's slate received were significant enough to alter this year's primary if the result is to be reversed. The HCDO leaders said they're confident they can make that case and pointed to D'Italia's ruling -- in which the judge indicated several Cunningham allies had provided false testimony -- as a sign that they're on to something. "We believe that if Judge D'Italia had not used this technicality, we would have been successful on this count," Doria said at the press conference. But the winning 31st District candidates and their attorneys also say they're confident they'll survive the appeal. They note that D'Italia went beyond ruling contribution limits inapplicable to primaries in his ruling last week and also addressed the merits of the HCDO's case even if the limits applied. The judge concluded that he would still have dismissed the suit. At a press conference held just minutes after the HCDO's, Angelo J. Genova, the attorney who represented Cunningham, Manzo and Chiappone, praised D'Italia's ruling, which he said wipes out an injustice that allowed county party organizations to spend whatever they wanted on behalf of candidates in primaries. As the rules were enforced prior to last week, Genova noted, a campaign like Cunningham's, which was not backed by the HCDO, was limited in the money it could receive from political organizations. "They would have you ignore the fact that the Hudson County Democratic Organization funded in large part and managed the campaigns of" Smith, Doria and Perez-Cinciarelli," Genova said of the HCDO. Manzo and Chiappone were also at the press conference, and characterized the HCDO's efforts to link their case to a defense of equitable campaign financing laws as disingenuous. "A judge has ruled that the playing field is even. And if the playing field is even, [the HCDO] can't win anymore," said Manzo. Manzo also chided Menendez for taking an active role in Hudson County politics, despite questions about the extent to which federal office holders may do so under the new McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. "It's egregious, it's hypocritical and he should be sanctioned for it," Manzo said. But Menendez said that Manzo didn't seem to get the point of the HCDO position. "Lou Manzo's complete ignorance of the law leads him once again to make a false accusation," said Menendez. "Today's press conference was in support of a legal appeal to ensure that state campaign finance laws were upheld has nothing to do with McCain-Feingold. Should Mr. Manzo succeed, I would hope he would be able to read legislation better than he has in this case." Steve Kornacki can be reached at kornackinj@aol.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Baghdad on the Hudson posted Message 1590 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 18:39:32 Subject: Hudson County Democratic Leadership Assails Attorney General Peter Harvey For Immediate Release: Contact: Javier Inclán Monday, September 15,2003 201-420-8898 Hudson County Democratic Leadership Assails Attorney General Peter Harvey (Jersey City) – Standing on the steps of the Hudson County Courthouse this morning, the Hudson County Democratic Organization leadership took Attorney General Peter Harvey to task for failing to act in defense of the Election Law Enforcement Commission’s right to control spending in both primary and general elections. Last week, Hudson County Superior Court judge Arthur D’Italia ruled that campaign finance limits do not apply to primaries and that therefore money funneled to the Cunningham for Senate campaign by two political committees was not illegal. Despite D’Italia’s repeated requests from the Attorney General to make his position known on this topic, Attorney General Peter Harvey remained silent, even as the biggest upset to campaign finance laws in thirty years was being decided. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Borderline posted Message 1591 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 18:51:31 Subject: Re: Chakotay Stuck With TOM DeDUMB The Jersey City voters don't despise Degise. It's just that they were captivated by Melba Walsh. : Keep dreaming Jim - Your stuck with the guy who could not even win Jersey City in the Primary after spending 2 Million. : : If I only had as dynamic a boss as your guy Slick Willy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tappy Phillips posted Message 1592 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 16, 2003 at 19:23:15 Subject: Re: Hudson County Democratic Leadership Assails Attorney General Peter Harvey GLAZER/JACKSON STILL IN THE "FLIER" BUSINESS??????? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1593 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 09:49:49 Subject: Dumb and Dumber Dumb and Dumber = All the posters who think I'm Jim. Bwahahahahahahahahaha !!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** me posted Message 1594 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 09:52:05 Subject: ENOUGH ALREADY THIS IS A DEAD ISSUE..LET IT GO! no MESSAGE ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1595 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 10:36:47 Subject: NJN Video: HCDO Blasts Urban Times News To view the NJN Video, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Spanish Schools posted Message 1596 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 12:13:19 Subject: Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools San José, Costa Rica Study Spanish Heredia, Costa Rica Spanish Courses Quito, Ecuador Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools Quetzaltenango, Guatemala Spanish Schools Cuernavaca, México 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Spain ***************** End Of Article ****************** Spanish Schools posted Message 1601 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 12:13:40 Subject: Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools San José, Costa Rica Study Spanish Heredia, Costa Rica Spanish Courses Quito, Ecuador Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools Quetzaltenango, Guatemala Spanish Schools Cuernavaca, México Spanish Schools Oaxaca, México Spanish School San Miguel De Allende, México don Quijote Spanish Schools Guanajuato, México Study Spanish Course Cusco, Perú Study Spanish Classes Arequipa, Perú don Quijote Spanish Schools Madrid, Spain Spanish School Málaga, Spain Spanish Schools Barcelona, Spain Spanish School Salamanca, Spain Spanish Schools Sevilla, Spain Spanish Schools Valencia, Spain Spanish School Almuñecar, Spain ***************** End Of Article ****************** Spanish Schools posted Message 1602 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 12:13:45 Subject: Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools San José, Costa Rica Study Spanish Heredia, Costa Rica Spanish Courses Quito, Ecuador Spanish Schools Antigua, Guatemala Spanish Schools Quetzaltenango, Guatemala Spanish Schools Cuernavaca, México Spanish Schools Oaxaca, México Spanish School San Miguel De Allende, México don Quijote Spanish Schools Guanajuato, México Study Spanish Course Cusco, Perú Study Spanish Classes Arequipa, Perú don Quijote Spanish Schools Madrid, Spain Spanish School Málaga, Spain Spanish Schools Barcelona, Spain Spanish School Salamanca, Spain Spanish Schools Sevilla, Spain Spanish Schools Valencia, Spain Spanish School Almuñecar, Spain ***************** End Of Article ****************** Spanish Schools posted Message 1603 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 12:13:47 Subject: Spanish Schools 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San Miguel De Allende, México don Quijote Spanish Schools Guanajuato, México Study Spanish Course Cusco, Perú Study Spanish Classes Arequipa, Perú don Quijote Spanish Schools Madrid, Spain Spanish School Málaga, Spain Spanish Schools Barcelona, Spain Spanish School Salamanca, Spain Spanish Schools Sevilla, Spain Spanish Schools Valencia, Spain Spanish School Almuñecar, Spain ***************** End Of Article ****************** pandp posted Message 1607 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 14:52:49 Subject: Ballott drawing Gerry McCann and two other independent candidates battling against Freeholder Radames "Ray" Velazquez for the Fourth District Freeholder seat, lost another round in court yesterday. In an earlier suit, they attempted to have the freeholder race under a black heavy line under the county race for County Executive and the legislative seats. A judge ruled that Velazquez was entitled to the Democratic freeholder nomination, running on the Democratic Column "A" ticket. Carl Czaplicki is the Republican nominee on Column "B." In yesterday’s ruling, McCann failed to have the independents placed on Columns C, D, and E. The judge ruled that rows C and D belonged to the Green Party and Herb Shaw ticket respectively. So the independents were placed on Columns E, F and G. They drew for position yesterday and Juanita Lopez, Anthony Cruz and Gerry McCann drew columns E, F and G respectively. It means that McCann is on Column G, which in this case means "Goner." Now only is his ballot position working against him, but a recent Hudson County Democratic Organization poll reveals that almost 70% of those polled say they will not vote for a convicted felon, whether his crimes pertained to his office or not. That’s not surprising in the current atmosphere in Hudson County. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 5 posted Message 1608 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 15:03:49 Subject: Arosen...who is? Captives of 1704: Arosen the Mohawk There was great rejoicing when the Mohawks returned from their raid upon Deerfield. The squaws served them eagerly, and the youths and the old men sang their praises about the council fire. Among these youths was a slender boy of thirteen named Arosen, or Squirrel. Already he was keen and swift in the hunt, and well-liked by his elders. [illustration caption: ABOUT THE COUNCIL FIRE] Arosen pitied little Eunice, the English captive. He was pleased with the Little Paleface, with her soft, brown eyes and her rich dark hair. When he brought her berries from the wild places she smiled. Then he gave her fresh stains for her face and hands, so that she might not feel strange among the other maidens. She had venison and game in plenty, for Arosen was quick and skillful with his bow. She knew well who brought the brilliant feathers and bits of blue and crimson wampum which she found from time to time under her tent-flap. [illustration caption: TO THE PRIEST] Later, on the day he was made chief, he wore a pouch of her embroidering. “Marry me,” he said, “and I will take the name of Williams. Is not your father a great chief?” So, when she was sixteen, they went to the priest and were married, and Arosen took Eunice, the white maiden, into his wigwam. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Captivated posted Message 1609 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 15:28:09 Subject: Re: Chakotay Stuck With TOM DeDUMB Did she captivate you?? : The Jersey City voters don't despise Degise. It's just that they were captivated by Melba Walsh. : : Keep dreaming Jim - Your stuck with the guy who could not even win Jersey City in the Primary after spending 2 Million. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 1610 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 16:28:33 Subject: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER,” CONT…A SCANDAL THAT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER AND WORSE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER,” CONT…A SCANDAL THAT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER AND WORSE Urban Times News By Steven Glazer, sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 1611 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 16:47:36 Subject: Shaking in his boots. I'm sure Jonathan Metsch is shaking in his boots at the prospect of Glazer and the UTN exposing this "scandal". I wish someone would sue the a$$ off Bobby Jackson and his UTN lackeys. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The good fairy godmother posted Message 1612 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 16:51:25 Subject: Re: Shaking in his boots. Your wish will come true.. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FEDERAL WITNESS PROTECTION posted Message 1613 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:04:52 Subject: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM HCDO PEOPLE LIFE IS GOOD INSIDE THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM. ALTHOUGH IT HAS RECIEVED A GREAT DEAL OF BAD PRESS IT IS A GOOD PROGRAM THEY MOVED ME LAST WEEK TO ???? ANYWAY I'M SURE WITH ALL THE INFORMATION I PROVIDED WE WILL BE SEEING EACH OTHER SHORTLY MAYBE ON THE BEACH OR IN COURT EITHER WAY ITS BEEN FUN I THINK I HAVE A BOOK DEAL. ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOVE IN THE AFTERNOON posted Message 1614 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:08:06 Subject: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE IT SEEMS NO MATTER HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST OUR BELOVED CONGRESSMAN ARE LAUNCHED IT CANNOT STOP HIS NEED FOR LOVE. RECENTLY SEEN AT THE USUAL PLACE WITH SOMEONE NEW. THE WAITERS COUNT SEVEN DIFFERENT PARTNERS. THIS TYPE OF ABILITY CAN ONLY MEAN THE OVAL OFFICE IS NEAR. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1615 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:08:36 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM Is that the program Francis S hooked you up with at Newport? ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1616 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:10:49 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE So I guess you didn't learn your lesson yet. Now if i played the game the way you do what should I post next?hmmmmmmmmm let's see. ***************** End Of Article ****************** TELL THE TRUTH posted Message 1617 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:12:59 Subject: IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE HCDO TO BE REBUILT? PROBABLY NOT BUT THIS PRESENTS THE CHANCE FOR JERSEY CITY TO LEAVE THE COUNTY AND START A NEW COUNTY. SINCE THE HUDSON COUNTY ORGANIZATION IS FULL OF CORRUPT EVIL PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT CROOKS LIKE DS,RM, AND OTHERS IT IS NOT WORTH FIGHTING WITH THEIR RACIST REGIME STARTING A NEW COUNTY IS THE ONLY ANSWER. ***************** End Of Article ****************** YES OF COURSE posted Message 1618 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:15:29 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM YES HOW DID YU KNOW : Is that the program Francis S hooked you up with at Newport? ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1619 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:16:12 Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE HCDO TO BE REBUILT? This will be fun! ***************** End Of Article ****************** HOSPITAL SCANDAL HCDO KILLERS posted Message 1620 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:17:32 Subject: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION IS IT POSSIBLE THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL SCANDAL AND THE HCDO, I'M NOT SURE MAYBE IT IS LIKE LOOKING FOR TERRORIST IN IRAQ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1621 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:18:09 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM Revenge is a dish served best when cold! ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1622 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:19:42 Subject: Re: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION : IS IT POSSIBLE THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL SCANDAL AND THE UTN, I'M NOT SURE MAYBE IT IS LIKE LOOKING FOR "consultants" IN Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO CORRUPTION KILLS posted Message 1623 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:20:33 Subject: THE STOLEN FUNDS FROM THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE FUND HOW MANY MILLIONS ARE THERE OFFSHORE IN THE HCDO SLUSH FUND. MAYBE NOT EVERYONE KNOWS HOW MUCH HAS BEEN HIDDEN MAYBE ONLY TWO PEOPLE ARE INVOVLED? I THINK THE AMOUNT WOULD SHOCK THOSE THAT HAVE NOT SHARED IN THE ILL GOTTEN GAINS. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1624 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:22:04 Subject: Re: THE STOLEN FUNDS FROM THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE FUND And how much money does your boss have? ***************** End Of Article ****************** MAYBE YOUR RIGHT posted Message 1625 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:22:54 Subject: Re: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION ALTHOUGH THE SERVICES OF A CONSULTANT HAVE NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO KILL PEOPLE. SOME AREAS ARE CRITICAL LIKE SAVING LIVES SOME ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT THIS SCANDAL IS MURDER VERY CLEAN MURDER. : : IS IT POSSIBLE THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL SCANDAL AND THE UTN, I'M NOT SURE MAYBE IT IS LIKE LOOKING FOR "consultants" IN Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** MY BOSS IS GOD posted Message 1626 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:24:56 Subject: Re: THE STOLEN FUNDS FROM THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE FUND I'M AN ANGEL AND HAVE NEVER RECIEVED ONE CENT FOR ANYTHING I HAVE UNCOVERED. I LIVE FOR PEACE AND LOVE. I SLEEP SOUNDLY AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE I DO GOOD AND STOPPING MURDER IN ANY FORM IS GOOD. IT CAN BE SOLVED BY STOPPING THE HCDO. : And how much money does your boss have? ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1627 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:25:31 Subject: Re: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION Your not a dumb man so think before you type. : ALTHOUGH THE SERVICES OF A CONSULTANT HAVE NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO KILL PEOPLE. SOME AREAS ARE CRITICAL LIKE SAVING LIVES SOME ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT THIS SCANDAL IS MURDER VERY CLEAN MURDER. : : : : IS IT POSSIBLE THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL SCANDAL AND THE UTN, I'M NOT SURE MAYBE IT IS LIKE LOOKING FOR "consultants" IN Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** I SPEAK FROM THE DEAD YOU HAVE NO IDEA posted Message 1628 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:26:34 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM SINCE I'M OFFICIALLY DEAD I SPEAK WITH AUTHORITY YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW COLD IT CAN GET. : Revenge is a dish served best when cold! ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1629 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:26:56 Subject: Re: THE STOLEN FUNDS FROM THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE FUND And the lies you print is that your darker side? One does not make up for the other. ***************** End Of Article ****************** PRETTY STUPID I CAME BACK AFTER A LONG TIME GONE posted Message 1630 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:29:46 Subject: Re: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION AFTER A LONG TIME I HAVE RETURNED TO JERSEY CITY. MANY WILL NOT KNOW ME NOW BUT I'M BACK AND I HAVE A CAN OF WORMS TO OPEN AND IT WILL CREATE A REAL HEADACHE FOR SOME. : Your not a dumb man so think before you type. : : : ALTHOUGH THE SERVICES OF A CONSULTANT HAVE NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO KILL PEOPLE. SOME AREAS ARE CRITICAL LIKE SAVING LIVES SOME ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT THIS SCANDAL IS MURDER VERY CLEAN MURDER. : : : : : : IS IT POSSIBLE THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL SCANDAL AND THE UTN, I'M NOT SURE MAYBE IT IS LIKE LOOKING FOR "consultants" IN Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1631 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:30:28 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM Yes I do. I am fully prepared to stand behind what I have done. If It can make right for the good people who were wrong by you. : SINCE I'M OFFICIALLY DEAD I SPEAK WITH AUTHORITY YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW COLD IT CAN GET. : : : Revenge is a dish served best when cold! ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1632 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:31:49 Subject: Re: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION I know more then you think I do.nc ***************** End Of Article ****************** MUSTO'S REVENGE posted Message 1633 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:34:04 Subject: Re: THE STOLEN FUNDS FROM THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE FUND NEVER LIES ONLY THE TRUTH THE TRUTH OF A SCORE TO SETTLE WATCH OUT RM AND DS YOUR TIME FOR PAYBACK IS AT HAND. : And the lies you print is that your darker side? One does not make up for the other. ***************** End Of Article ****************** MUSTO'S REVENGE posted Message 1634 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:35:14 Subject: Re: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION I DO NOT THINK ANYMORE I LIVE AND HAVE LIVED TO SETTLE AN OLD DEBT OWED TO ME. : I know more then you think I do.nc ***************** End Of Article ****************** MUSTO'S REVENGE posted Message 1635 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:36:56 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS PROTECT THOSE THAT WOULD STEAL FROM YOU NOTHING MORE YOU ARE LIKE I WAS EASILY TAKEN IN. : Yes I do. I am fully prepared to stand behind what I have done. : If It can make right for the good people who were wrong by you. : : SINCE I'M OFFICIALLY DEAD I SPEAK WITH AUTHORITY YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW COLD IT CAN GET. : : : : : Revenge is a dish served best when cold! ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1636 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:38:37 Subject: Re: THE STOLEN FUNDS FROM THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE FUND Now come on you can do better . What a waste of talent. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1637 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:43:11 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM You can do better then that. Look who gives you your paycheck. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1638 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 21:46:42 Subject: Re: POOR HEALTH CARE DUE TO CORRUPTION There are no old debts in your life. People screw us when we allow it. Stop allowing it and there is no problem. We all make our own choices. Screw me once shame on you ..screw me twice shame on me! ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Wonderful Billy Musto posted Message 1639 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 22:04:12 Subject: Every Dog Has their Day Menendez can give it -- BUT BOBBY BOY CAN'T TAKE IT !!! How do you like it now Bobby Boy ? I told you over twenty years ago - " TAKE THE FIFTH " ***************** End Of Article ****************** TTF posted Message 1640 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 22:11:35 Subject: Re: Every Dog Has their Day Your score is not with Bob. Why all the anger? ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Wonderful Billy Musto posted Message 1641 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 22:15:20 Subject: He Bit the Hand that Fed Him : Your score is not with Bob. Why all the anger? YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT !!! I PUT SHOES ON HIS FEET !! ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1642 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 17, 2003 at 22:19:50 Subject: Re: He Bit the Hand that Fed Him :And you were so close to being human.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** You think you know posted Message 1643 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 06:28:16 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE : So I guess you didn't learn your lesson yet. : Now if i played the game the way you do what should I post next?hmmmmmmmmm let's see. But You Don't ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1644 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 10:30:13 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE But I can! and that gives me the upper-hand. The upper hand is calming power. I have the ball in my court and I will decide when to serve it. Like you I can be a S.O.B, but that is the only thing that is similar. I will hold back until you have pushed me past my breaking point, and then my friend I will no longer take pitty on you. The choice is yours ..keep being a evil person and you will see. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1645 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 10:31:52 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE : But I can! and that gives me the upper-hand. The upper hand is calming power. I have the ball in my court and I will decide when to serve it. : Like you I can be a S.O.B, but that is the only thing that is similar. I will hold back until you have pushed me past my breaking point, and then my friend I will no longer take pitty on you. : The choice is yours ..keep being a evil person and you will see. ***************** End Of Article ****************** So You Say posted Message 1646 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 12:12:26 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE : : But I can! and that gives me the upper-hand. The upper hand is calming power. I have the ball in my court and I will decide when to serve it. Go Ahead Then. You got no court and no ball. You got nothing. : : Like you I can be a S.O.B, but that is the only thing that is similar. I will hold back until you have pushed me past my breaking point, and then my friend I will no longer take pitty on you. Touching. No one wants your information,let alone your "pitty" : : The choice is yours ..keep being a evil person and you will see. We all make choices. I see now. Do what you want. It makes no difference except in your sick mind. I wish you a speedy recovery if your condition is not already terminal ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1647 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 13:16:42 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE So let it be written, So let it be done! : Touching. No one wants your information,let alone your "pitty" : : : The choice is yours ..keep being a evil person and you will see. : We all make choices. I see now. Do what you want. It makes no difference except in your sick mind. I wish you a speedy recovery if your condition is not already terminal ***************** End Of Article ****************** OK Here We Go posted Message 1648 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 18:34:42 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE : IT SEEMS NO MATTER HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST OUR BELOVED CONGRESSMAN ARE LAUNCHED IT CANNOT STOP HIS NEED FOR LOVE. RECENTLY SEEN AT THE USUAL PLACE WITH SOMEONE NEW. THE WAITERS COUNT SEVEN DIFFERENT PARTNERS. THIS TYPE OF ABILITY CAN ONLY MEAN THE OVAL OFFICE IS NEAR. Does Glenn pay child support for Sergio's adopted son? Does he acknowledge the boy at all? ***************** End Of Article ****************** RSun posted Message 1649 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 21:26:43 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE : : IT SEEMS NO MATTER HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST OUR BELOVED CONGRESSMAN ARE LAUNCHED IT CANNOT STOP HIS NEED FOR LOVE. RECENTLY SEEN AT THE USUAL PLACE WITH SOMEONE NEW. THE WAITERS COUNT SEVEN DIFFERENT PARTNERS. THIS TYPE OF ABILITY CAN ONLY MEAN THE OVAL OFFICE IS NEAR. : Does Glenn pay child support for Sergio's adopted son? Does he acknowledge the boy at all? What's it to you Dweeb? ***************** End Of Article ****************** : LOL posted Message 1650 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 21:34:52 Subject: Re: GUESS WHOS BEEN SEEING WHO AT YOU NOWHERE Now that is cold! ***************** End Of Article ****************** CNN posted Message 1651 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 18, 2003 at 22:54:22 Subject: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY Breaking news from UTN central.Steve Glazer has uncovered another HCDO plot..last seen moving in from Cuba the magicial forces behind the HCDO are the cause of this latest weather trend. When will it stop? what can we do? No problem folks Glazer is on top of it. Hurricane Isabel's winds began lashing the coasts of North Carolina and Virginia early Thursday morning, according to the National Hurricane Center. The gang at UTN are on the way ready to fight the forces of evil....NOT! ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO vs ISABEL posted Message 1652 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 09:03:26 Subject: Re: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY That may not be so far fetched..After all the HCDO is full of an awful lot of "HOT AIR" and the have been spreading pretty far and wide... ***************** End Of Article ****************** ISABEL AND HCDO ARE VERY MUCH ALIKE posted Message 1653 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 09:19:23 Subject: Re: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY : Breaking news from UTN central.Steve Glazer has uncovered another HCDO plot..last seen moving in from Cuba the magicial forces behind the HCDO are the cause of this latest weather trend. When will it stop? what can we do? No problem folks Glazer is on top of it. Hurricane Isabel's winds began lashing the coasts of North Carolina and Virginia early Thursday morning, according to the National Hurricane Center. The gang at UTN are on the way ready to fight the forces of evil....NOT! BIG WIND LITTLE RAIN TREMENDOUS DAMAGE THERE WILL BE A COSTLY CLEANUP ***************** End Of Article ****************** Forest Gump posted Message 1654 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 10:08:53 Subject: HCDO is as HCDO does Spend $2 Milllion to lose badly in the election? Spend another $750,000 to lose badly in the courts? Lash out at everybody who does not agree with you? Now prepare to spend another $$$? how much to appeal? Alienate the few remaining people not already turned off? Pay more money to strategists who have delivered these results? Refuse to quit while you are ahead before you become an ass? What would you call that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bunker Mentality posted Message 1655 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 10:21:02 Subject: HCDO in Self Destruct Mode Received Target Letters From Federal Government. HCDO is in final phase of it's self destruct mode. Like Hitler in the Bunker - Oblivious to what is going on in the outside world. : Spend $2 Milllion to lose badly in the election? : Spend another $750,000 to lose badly in the courts? : Lash out at everybody who does not agree with you? : Now prepare to spend another $$$? how much to appeal? : Alienate the few remaining people not already turned off? : Pay more money to strategists who have delivered these results? : Refuse to quit while you are ahead before you become an ass? : What would you call that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kools posted Message 1656 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 10:28:40 Subject: THE RULES the big boys do not have the time or the expertise to come in here and play word games with the unwashed masses. It's up to the low lifes like us to do the dirty work and suffer all the slings and arrows etc. Rule #1 - Always ignore the charges and just initiate a personal attack against the person who is making them. Rule #2 - Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. Rule #3 - When cornered, argue over the definition of words in the English language. Rule #4 - Instead of responding to charges, refer to a similar offense by the other party. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jim Kennelly posted Message 1657 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 10:28:46 Subject: A Modest Proposal County Executive Thomas DeGise has announced a visionary plan to augment county revenues and avoid tax increases like the wildly popular Minitax. DeGise has authorized the return of Corporal Punishment for certain lower level felonies such as purse snatching, and unauthorized use of County Property, and keeping library books out past the due date, for example. "It would be like WWF on cable pay-per-view," said DeGise, "A reality version of guts and gore for the raw meat crowd. We anticipate huge revenues, especially for the more creative punishments. For example, assault would be punished by a gang stomping. Four of our biggest meanest Sheriff's officers would wail on the convicted felon, beating the stuffings out of him or her. That would definitely sell." DeGise's proposal would authorize the use of deadly force for more serious offenses such as parking in reserved spots in the Administration and Court parking lots. Deadly force could be applied in creative ways making that more of a spectator event. Crushing, would not only administer the lawful penalty, according to DeGise, but also create supplemental employment for the now out of work Fat Joe, who would sit on the victims while eating Philly Cheesteak sandwichs. Revenue projections from ticket sales to public executions and floggings, stonings, beatings and such, based on preliminary talks with the broadcast and cable networks indicate a massive cashflow from the box office for such events, reaching a worldwide audience via satellite and cable. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Too Funny posted Message 1658 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 11:33:42 Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal I just love the sense of humor on this site! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Windy Williams posted Message 1659 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 11:58:24 Subject: Re: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY : : Breaking news from UTN central.Steve Glazer has uncovered another HCDO plot..last seen moving in from Cuba the magicial forces behind the HCDO are the cause of this latest weather trend. When will it stop? what can we do? No problem folks Glazer is on top of it. Hurricane Isabel's winds began lashing the coasts of North Carolina and Virginia early Thursday morning, according to the National Hurricane Center. The gang at UTN are on the way ready to fight the forces of evil....NOT! : BIG WIND = Bobby Jackson talking : LITTLE RAIN = THE AMOUNT OF TEARS WE WILL CRY WHEN GLAZER GETS SUED : TREMENDOUS DAMAGE = TELL EM' STEVE : THERE WILL BE A COSTLY CLEANUP= WHEN GLEN FINDS OUT :WHAT YOU DID-HOW YOU DID IT- AND HOW YOU GOT CAUGHT ***************** End Of Article ****************** WINDY WILLIAMS posted Message 1660 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 11:59:09 Subject: Re: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY : That may not be so far fetched..After all the UTN is full of an awful lot of "HOT AIR" and the have been spreading pretty far and wide... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Windy Williams posted Message 1661 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 12:00:09 Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal Not bad, not bad at all! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Windy Williams posted Message 1662 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 12:01:15 Subject: Glazer is as Glazer Does GUMP! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 1663 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 12:20:43 Subject: JCRA TO NARROW MEDICAL CENTER DEVELOPER CHOICE AT SPECIAL MEETING Urban Times News Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** mo money posted Message 1664 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 13:08:29 Subject: Re: JCRA TO NARROW MEDICAL CENTER DEVELOPER CHOICE AT SPECIAL MEETING : : Urban Times News : Steven Glazer email: sglazer@urbantimesnews.com THe hype over METROVEST and Filopolous is that he hired Bobby Jackson and Joe Cardwell...need we say more! Bobby gets the bucks and what does glazer get? ***************** End Of Article ****************** ISABEL vs HCDO posted Message 1665 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 14:42:30 Subject: no originality windy It's amazing how little originality the HCDO people have... Not to be able to come up ones own words...mmmmmm a familiar pattern here I'd say ***************** End Of Article ****************** blah blah blah posted Message 1666 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 16:52:52 Subject: Re: no originality Glazer : It's amazing how little originality the UTN people have... : Not to be able to come up ones own words...mmmmmm a familiar pattern here I'd say ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fukken A posted Message 1667 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 17:01:05 Subject: Re: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY : : : Breaking news from UTN central.Steve Glazer has uncovered another HCDO plot..last seen moving in from Cuba the magicial forces behind the HCDO are the cause of this latest weather trend. When will it stop? what can we do? No problem folks Glazer is on top of it. Hurricane Isabel's winds began lashing the coasts of North Carolina and Virginia early Thursday morning, according to the National Hurricane Center. The gang at UTN are on the way ready to fight the forces of evil....NOT! : : BIG WIND = Bobby Jackson talking : : LITTLE RAIN = THE AMOUNT OF TEARS WE WILL CRY WHEN GLAZER GETS SUED : : TREMENDOUS DAMAGE = TELL EM' STEVE : : THERE WILL BE A COSTLY CLEANUP= WHEN GLEN FINDS OUT :WHAT YOU DID-HOW YOU DID IT- AND HOW YOU GOT CAUGHT You Guys Got Nothin- Lookin Up at Zero What a sorry lot ***************** End Of Article ****************** Worry ...who me? posted Message 1668 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 20:15:11 Subject: Re: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY Re-trace your last few months did you do or say anything? If you have nothing to worry about you are fine but, maybe you do. The ball is in his court. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WW posted Message 1669 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 20:16:31 Subject: Re: HCDO BLAMED FOR ISABEL'S FURY : Re-trace your last few months did you do or say anything? : If you have nothing to worry about you are fine but, maybe you do. : The ball is in his court. P.S. THE QUESTION IS...WHO DID SHE GIVE THE BALL TO? ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 1670 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 21:20:57 Subject: What goes on here ? : THe hype over METROVEST and Filopolous is that he hired Bobby Jackson and Joe Cardwell...need we say more! : Bobby gets the bucks and what does glazer get? The word is that Munley is trying to torpedo Filopoulos. Jackson and Cardwell vs. Munley ? Very interesting. ***************** End Of Article ****************** kitty kat posted Message 1671 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 19, 2003 at 21:27:23 Subject: Re: What goes on here ? I like it...maybe they will all cat fight! MEOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Maggie posted Message 1672 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 20, 2003 at 08:35:13 Subject: J.C. TEACHER CONVOCATION CONTINENTAL ARENA Does anyone know how much it cost to rent Continental Arena for the Teacher Convocation??? How do they justify spending money like this for motivational meetings when they've cut back: After-school programs, field trips, teacher assistants - resource teachers, classroom supplies, etc., etc., etc. There are over 30 children in some classrooms, with the average of about 22 students. I really want to know how much they spent on this. I also want to know whether it's true that Mr. Epps purchased hard cover books for every teacher in J.C. for Reading Across America - for the sole purpose of reading an exerpt for 15 minutes . They could have made copies and saved tons of money. I'm not sure of the exact amount, but I heard the books were over $20 a piece. I'd also like to know who the author is and if he's an associate of Mr. Epps. Taxpayers and Parents ---- get informed. Your money's being wasted and your kids are suffering. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wolly Bully posted Message 1673 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 20, 2003 at 18:33:41 Subject: UTN should look in the mirror THOSE WHO MOST LOUDLY PROCLAIM THEIR TRUTHFULLNESS AND HONESTY ARE THE ONES MOST LIKELY TO LIE AND DECEIVE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glazer is as Glazer Does! posted Message 1674 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 20, 2003 at 18:35:55 Subject: Re: THE STOLEN FUNDS FROM THE HOSPITAL INSURANCE FUND THOSE WHO MOST LOUDLY PROCLAIM THEIR TRUTHFULLNESS AND HONEST ARE THE ONES MOST LIKELY TO LIE AND DECEIVE.....You know what I mean Steve and Bobby! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Princeton posted Message 1675 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 20, 2003 at 20:52:40 Subject: Who is... what is ...what happened? CF ***************** End Of Article ****************** Burke posted Message 1676 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 21, 2003 at 08:45:33 Subject: The Cunningham's I attended this vigil at Exchange Place with my sister and children. It was very unorganized; Cunningham was a half hour late, nobody knew who was running the event and it was too political. The highlight of the evening was the entertainment, both singers were absolutely wonderful. However during the first song, featuring MJ Medina, our illustrious mayor was giving and recieving political phone numbers and such, 3 feet in front of me!!! I was there with tears in my eyes remembering the person I lost holding my young son and now during the second song Mrs. Mayor did nothing but yawn through the whole thing. Now I understand it was a long day and she was tired but have some class, turn your head or cover your mouth, ANYTHING! There is a time and place for everything, that day and place was not then right one for this man to do what he did. Oh well, I guess I set my hopes too high for him to be a little more supportive and a little selfish. ***************** End Of Article ****************** A Short story posted Message 1677 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 21, 2003 at 15:13:47 Subject: My Name is Steven Glazer..... Ok I'll admit it I'm stupid and corrupt and work for the Urban Times News Ok if the truth be known I'm a troll for the UTN I get paid to watch this board and try to take the edge off of the real truth. Basically I achieve this by telling lies but mostly by detracting from the person telling the truth. So it is a bad thing to help liars like the UTN but I don't get paid very well and do nothing but bother people that post on boards its a great job. By the way I'm paid in a no show job guess which Agency. If you could get away with it you would do it to. Just so you know I do not believe a single thing I post. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1678 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 21, 2003 at 15:37:32 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1679 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 21, 2003 at 19:52:01 Subject: Re: Do you know my name? ..... I'll take Do you know my name for 100. Daily Double....yippie! Answer: STEVE GLAZER ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gemini posted Message 1680 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 22, 2003 at 08:41:13 Subject: Nuestra Communidad Menendez is always saying "nuestra communidad." Does the congressman mean millionaires or overweight, middle-aged, white men? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1681 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 22, 2003 at 09:04:11 Subject: NJN 09/08/03 Video: Congressman Menendez and Mayor Glenn Cunningham To view Michael Aron's report, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sam the Sham posted Message 1682 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 22, 2003 at 12:43:30 Subject: Re: UTN should look in the mirror : THOSE WHO MOST LOUDLY PROCLAIM THEIR TRUTHFULLNESS AND HONESTY ARE THE ONES MOST LIKELY TO LIE AND DECEIVE. Yes, and you should get professinal help--right away. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1683 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 22, 2003 at 12:48:34 Subject: Something to think about................ A question for Mayor Cunningham "We are a reflection of the people we surround ourselves with." How does that reflect on you? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1684 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 22, 2003 at 15:37:16 Subject: JCRA Meeting 5:00PM, City Hall, 280 Grove Street The Jersey City Redevelopment Agency meeting is 5:00 this afternoon. Today's meeting is at the City Council Chambers, City Hall, 280 Grove Street. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1685 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 22, 2003 at 18:29:00 Subject: Tonites show topics The winner from tonites JCRA meeting concerning the development of the JC Med center, State Sen L Harvey Smith? court tells HCDO no rush! all this and more tonite 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio...Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** DecentDem posted Message 1686 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 22, 2003 at 22:53:42 Subject: Congratulations Senator Smith Congratulations to Harvey Smith on his election to serve the unexpired term of State Senator for the 31st Legislative District. The 31st District's Democratic Committee members elected Mr. Smith at last night's special meeting by the overwhelming vote of 159 for Smith to 104 for Cunningham, a smashing 60% victory.In so many ways Harvey Smith is a better person than Glenn Cunningham and would have made a much better State Senator. It's too bad the Democratic Primary voters in the 31st District didn't vote last June the way the Democratic Committee members did last night. In my opinion, it's because Cunningham has so many of them buffaloed at this time, because the Urban Times News did such a disgraceful hatchet job on Harvey Smith for the last two years, and because the Hudson County Democratic Organization did such a poor job contrasting Smith's strengths to Cunningham's current weaknesses in the June Primary campaign. Even though the time is short, represent us well and Good Luck Harvey. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens, The Urban Times News posted Message 1687 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 09:45:03 Subject: INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP by Jay Stevens ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1688 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 11:04:01 Subject: Mayor Cunningham This is a perfect example of what I meant when I posted: A question for Mayor Cunningham "We are a reflection of the people we surround ourselves with." How does that reflect on you? Look at what Bobby Jackson puts in the URBAN TIMES NEWS ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1689 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 11:44:33 Subject: Freshman State Senator Glenn Cunningham This January, Glenn Cunningham starts his first term as State Senator. Would Mayor Cunningham have had seniority in the Statehouse if he served the remaing portion of Senator (now Judge) Joe Charles's term? ***************** End Of Article ****************** That's right posted Message 1690 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 12:33:00 Subject: Re: Mayor Cunningham : This is a perfect example of what I meant when I posted: : A question for Mayor Cunningham : "We are a reflection of the people we surround ourselves with." : How does that reflect on you? : Look at what Bobby Jackson puts in the URBAN TIMES NEWS What are you worried about? You don't have to read it. Many people like and enjoy it. Did you ever hear "to each his own?" Guess not. You must be HCDO or County employee. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1691 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 12:42:41 Subject: Re: Mayor Cunningham No, as a matter of fact I work for the city. : : What are you worried about? You don't have to read it. Many people like and enjoy it. Did you ever hear "to each his own?" : Guess not. You must be HCDO or County employee. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1692 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 12:50:38 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Radio Show: Audio Online To access the Online Audio, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1693 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 15:11:58 Subject: Re: Freshman State Senator Glenn Cunningham Logically the poster is correct. Here's how: Lets say the fact (Seniority) = true and the fact (No Seniority) = false Then (Senioity) AND (No Seniority) = FALSE according to Boolean logic (true AND false) = false. Hope that answers all questions!....just kidding! :o) ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1694 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 15:14:40 Subject: Re: UTN should look in the mirror Tell that to your boyz at UTN ....it is a quote from this weeks rag. (My birds are crapping on it as we speak.) ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1695 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 19:04:25 Subject: NJN Video 09/23/03: HCDO Knocks Down Cunningham, Chooses Smith To view the NJN video, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Happy as can be! posted Message 1696 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 23, 2003 at 20:13:43 Subject: Re: NJN Video 09/23/03: HCDO Knocks Down Cunningham, Chooses Smith Way to go Harvey! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1697 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 06:23:25 Subject: I was very disappointed with this NJN report. I was very disappointed with this NJN report. NJN never asked GET NJ for our take on Senator Kenny's rant. As it was, I just happened to turn on the TV and saw a fuming Bernard Kenny. I thought to myself, "I wonder what's got him all bent out of shape?" Then, NJN showed screenshots of GET NJ! Bernard Kenny charges that critics smeared HCDO figures as "pedophiles" and "necrophiliac." Simply by using the search feature, one learns that those terms (and any variants) don't appear here at the GET NJ Hudson County Politics Message Board. Didn't NJN perform this check? Plus, I can't remember ever removing posts with those words. GET NJ is open to all coherent points of view. A cursory glance reveals anti-Cunningham posts, anti-Urban Times News messages, and anti-anti-HCDO replies. Didn't NJN see this? And, most importantly, what's Senator Kenny's point? The way it looks to me, all he's saying is that 'cause someone spoke nasty to him, he's taking his ball and going home. ***************** End Of Article ****************** B.S. Anthony posted Message 1698 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 07:44:12 Subject: Re: I was very disappointed with this NJN report. : I was very disappointed with this NJN report. NJN never asked GET NJ for our take on Senator Kenny's rant. As it was, I just happened to turn on the TV and saw a fuming Bernard Kenny. I thought to myself, "I wonder what's got him all bent out of shape?" Then, NJN showed screenshots of GET NJ! : Bernard Kenny charges that critics smeared HCDO figures as "pedophiles" and "necrophiliac." Simply by using the search feature, one learns that those terms (and any variants) don't appear here at the GET NJ Hudson County Politics Message Board. Didn't NJN perform this check? Plus, I can't remember ever removing posts with those words. : GET NJ is open to all coherent points of view. A cursory glance reveals anti-Cunningham posts, anti-Urban Times News messages, and anti-anti-HCDO replies. Didn't NJN see this? : And, most importantly, what's Senator Kenny's point? The way it looks to me, all he's saying is that 'cause someone spoke nasty to him, he's taking his ball and going home. You have allowed yourself to become a Cunningham lackey who now even advertises in the UTN. Not everyone has the ability to stoop to the level of Jackson and Glazer and attack families, dead children, dead fathers, lie about sexual preferences and personal and family matters so your offer of anyone using this board in such a way is hollow. Only the lowlife Cunningham crew has the stomach for it. Never mind individual words. Did you allow the attack on Menendez's Dad the other day? Do you find that acceptable? Or on Kenny's dad? Or Smith's son? Or DeGise? Or Brennan? Or Gaughan? Or Lipski, at least until the little weasel flipped? When do YOU say that they have crossed the line? You are as responsible as any of them for the smut on this site. You may have made some new friends but Anthony you have lost all your old ones. ***************** End Of Article ****************** B.S. Anthony posted Message 1699 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 07:57:49 Subject: Re: I was very disappointed with this NJN report. : I was very disappointed with this NJN report. NJN never asked GET NJ for our take on Senator Kenny's rant. As it was, I just happened to turn on the TV and saw a fuming Bernard Kenny. I thought to myself, "I wonder what's got him all bent out of shape?" Then, NJN showed screenshots of GET NJ! : Bernard Kenny charges that critics smeared HCDO figures as "pedophiles" and "necrophiliac." Simply by using the search feature, one learns that those terms (and any variants) don't appear here at the GET NJ Hudson County Politics Message Board. Didn't NJN perform this check? Plus, I can't remember ever removing posts with those words. : GET NJ is open to all coherent points of view. A cursory glance reveals anti-Cunningham posts, anti-Urban Times News messages, and anti-anti-HCDO replies. Didn't NJN see this? : And, most importantly, what's Senator Kenny's point? The way it looks to me, all he's saying is that 'cause someone spoke nasty to him, he's taking his ball and going home. You have allowed yourself to become a Cunningham lackey who now even advertises in the UTN. Not everyone has the ability to stoop to the level of Jackson and Glazer and attack families, dead children, dead fathers, lie about sexual preferences and personal and family matters so your offer of anyone using this board in such a way is hollow. Only the lowlife Cunningham crew has the stomach for it. Never mind individual words. Did you allow the attack on Menendez's Dad the other day? Do you find that acceptable? Or on Kenny's dad? Or Smith's son? Or DeGise? Or Brennan? Or Gaughan? Or Lipski, at least until the little weasel flipped? When do YOU say that they have crossed the line? You are as responsible as any of them for the smut on this site. You may have made some new friends but Anthony you have lost all your old ones. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1700 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 09:31:31 Subject: Re: I was very disappointed with this NJN report. Get NJ you have balls the size of you head. You allowed this mess! ***************** End Of Article ****************** It's a bird! It's a plane! posted Message 1701 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 11:40:30 Subject: MAYOR MAN Mayor, Senate hopeful - and comic book hero Cunningham 'saves day' in campaign promo "It's a bird! It's a plane!" No, it's Mayor-Man - also known as Jersey City Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, who is publishing his own comic book highlighting his résumé as a U.S. Marine, police captain and U.S. marshal as he rescues a child from a runaway car, tracks down an escaped fugitive and defuses a meeting between anti-and pro-war protesters. The premier issue of "The Adventures of Mayor-Man" opens with Mayor "Glen" Cunningham - his first name is spelled wrong on the first page - working alone late one rainy day, trying to "keep taxes low for the people" and "find more money for programs for kids," when his wife, known as "Lady One," bursts into his office. "Mayor, a young kid is in trouble. He needs your help," she says. "I think this is a job for Mayor-Man." With this, Lady One raises Cunningham's star-shaped marshal's badge above her head, triggering what the caption describes as "a powerful bolt of energy." "Suddenly, the energy bolt is Mayor Cunningham. The room shakes. His shoulders tremble, and ..." (after a dramatic turn of the page), "The mayor is transformed into 'Mayor-Man.'" The mayor then "blasts out of City Hall," flying through the roof and into the sky, Superman-style, before swooping down just in time to snatch a child from the path of a speeding car. In two other sequences, Mayor-Man catches an escaped prisoner and unifies a crowd hotly divided over the war in Iraq, telling them no matter what their feelings on the war, they have to support U.S. troops. The cover features a glossy, color illustration of a smiling Cunningham - wearing a suit and tie, but no cape - in front of Jersey City Hall. Inside, the black-and-white comic sequences are hand-drawn by Greg Malave, a city employee and Cunningham volunteer. It will not be confused with one of Marvel's professionally bound, dynamically sketched editions. Released amid Cunningham's controversial bid for state Senate and paid for by a campaign committee, the point of the book is to connect with children and their parents, Cunningham said. Bill Ayala, Cunningham's chief of staff, said the mayor wanted to do a comic book because "the mayor is the mayor for adults and children both," and because it's "a way to talk to kids about government." The 10,000 copies Cunningham plans to print will be distributed to places where children gather other than schools. Cunningham said he got the idea from a 4-year-old boy who was at an event with his mother two months ago. "She said, 'Do you know who this is?'" Cunningham recalled. "And he said yeah, and she said who? And he said, 'That's Mayor-Man!'" A copy provided to the media by the Mayor's Office has a disclaimer on the back cover, individually typewritten on a swath of whiteout, reading "Paid for by Cunningham for Mayor 2005." Beneath the whiteout, the message reads, "Paid for by the Jersey City Reform Democratic Organization." That is the name of the political action committee that has financed Cunningham's bid for state Senate this November. Cunningham, a Democrat, and his two Assembly running mates in the 31st District are being sued by rival Democrats they defeated in the June primary. The rival slate, led by longtime Democratic Assemblyman Joseph V. Doria Jr., has asserted that the Cunningham slate exceeded campaign spending limits during the primary. A state judge ruled this month that the state campaign spending law does not apply to primaries, but Doria's slate has appealed. Cunningham said the whiteout merely covered over an error by the printer, who had done other work for his legislative organization in the past, and assumed the book was for the slate also. Cunningham insisted that only his mayoral campaign had paid for it. He said he did not know the cost of the book. Roger Jones, a spokesman for the Doria slate, doubted the mayor's explanation, and he suggested the comic book was printed during the primary campaign. "How stupid can they be to white it out?" Jones said. "This is nothing more than a promotional piece for Cunningham running for the Senate." ***************** End Of Article ****************** He is such a jack-azz posted Message 1702 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 11:53:30 Subject: Re: MAYOR MAN : : The correct title should br Mayor-Ego ***************** End Of Article ****************** ROTFLMFHO posted Message 1703 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 12:18:55 Subject: Re: MAYOR MAN What issue is Lady 2-3-4-and 5 going to be in? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dudley-Do-Little posted Message 1704 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 19:25:57 Subject: MAYOR MAN sightings in Jersey City We have received a Mayor-Man sighting from Jersey City. A viewer who works in a nearby office building was reading the Breaking News update when she noticed Mayor-Man sitting on top of one of the towers of 101 Hudson Street. As she watched, three falcons, which the viewer described as "circling and shrieking," took off after what she described as the Mayor-Man We can only guess at the exact scenario, but it would appear that three juveniles were chasing after the Mayor-Man, possibly the female, in an attempt to cadge a meal was seen pecking at Lady-One. Although the young birds are probably Republicans, they are opportunistic and certainly not above flipping if the prospect of a meal presents itself. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dudleydoright posted Message 1705 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 22:30:36 Subject: Re: MAYOR MAN sightings in Jersey City Mel Cuccitucci, who lives in a high-rise building that sits on the banks of the Hudson River in Edgewater, heard a thud at his terrace door.Going to investigate, he found what he described as "a very tired if somewhat woozy Mayor-Man" sitting on the astroturf floor of his terrace. For Mr. Cuccitucci, it was a scary sight. The Mayor-Man, regarded him quite calmly as he grabbed the phone to call the local police and picked up his camera to take a picture.. The police could not reach Lady-One because of the council meeting, so they decided to see if the Mayor-Man would recover on its own from its encounter with plate glass. Mayor-Man was charged with tresspassing and is due to appear in court at a latter date. ***************** End Of Article ****************** by TheSlumlord posted Message 1706 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 22:32:44 Subject: The Next Mayor Man Adventure! In this episode:Mayor Man uses his super power to force the MUA to finally fix the sewers! No flooded sidewalk and basement every time it rains more than an inch! Next, Mayor Man uses his super powers to finally close the friggin open drug marts off Oakland and Palisade Ave. After cleaning up the streets, Mayor Man actually comes up with a long term re-development plan for Jersey City, bringing back jobs and urban renewal to the most down-trodden neighborhoods! No wonder it has to be in a comic book. Its all fiction and will never happen. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dudleydoright posted Message 1707 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 22:34:51 Subject: A look into the future...year 2005 Stripped of his badge, his office, and his Lady-Nine, the usually bland, naive Mayor-Man is ready to "kick some serious UTN bootie." He becomes a masked man on a mission, setting out on his Tricycle to defeat the villains, win the heart of the fair maiden and bring peace back to the Pocono's....Hopefully, he won't screw it up. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jersey City County Referendum posted Message 1708 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 22:57:37 Subject: HCDO PEACE DEAL ONLY STEAL HALF The HCDO has decided in order to have peace with the Jersey City government,they must limit their theft of public funds down. In this spirit of charity they hope to stop the Jersey City separate county movement. In order to separate from Hudson County Jersey City needs only a public referendum and acceptance of the referendum by the city government. The State must allow the separation. ***************** End Of Article ****************** posted by the fashion police posted Message 1709 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 23:05:41 Subject: Re: MAYOR MAN sightings in Jersey City Please Mr. Mayor-Man take Lady One to the hair salon. She is in desperate need of a make over. ***************** End Of Article ****************** MUSTO'S Revenge posted Message 1710 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 23:08:32 Subject: Jersey City County Referendum Jersey City generates 60% of all the revenue for the HCDO Machine by have a referendum to seperate as a seperate county the HCDO would be rendered powerless. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1711 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 23:10:09 Subject: Seperation Referendum JERSEY CITY MUST SEPERATE DEMAND THE Referendum. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :o) posted Message 1712 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 23:18:23 Subject: Re: HCDO PEACE DEAL ONLY STEAL HALF Now back to Mayor-Man ***************** End Of Article ****************** Keep it clean posted Message 1713 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 23:19:47 Subject: Re: MAYOR MAN sightings in Jersey City Now,now call Greg he will be happy to draw a new hair-style.. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :o) posted Message 1714 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 24, 2003 at 23:22:14 Subject: Re: Jersey City County Referendum Now back to Mayor-man. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HCDO WATCHER posted Message 1715 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 00:30:54 Subject: INDICTMENT EXPECTED TOMORROW BYE-BYE MR. SPEAKER. ADIOS ALBIO. CHECK IT OUT: http://www.njusao.org/break.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** Urban Times News OP-ED posted Message 1716 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 04:55:26 Subject: HUDSON DIXIECRATS IN ACTION-Jim Crow ’03 dok@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** NEED 2 KNOW posted Message 1717 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 08:26:27 Subject: KKK rally in Liberty State Park Oct. 3 The seeds of discontent Sunday, September 14, 2003 By MICHELLE GARCÍA HERALD NEWS White separatists, neo-notcees and groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nation have seized upon the issue of immigration as an opportunity to promote their agenda and are planning to marshal their forces at an October rally in Liberty State Park. Ultra-conservative radio talk show host Hal Turner has invited listeners to show up on Oct. 3 when 1,000 immigrants are due to stop in New Jersey as part of a national tour billed as the Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride. Turner broadcasts on short-wave radio and the Internet from his North Bergen home. The Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride aims to build support for undocumented workers to be granted legalized immigration status. The group's name is inspired by the 1960s-era campaign in which students traveled across the country in "freedom rides" to challenge racial segregation. The contemporary freedom riders will set off from nine cities en route to Washington, and the ride culminates with a rally in Queens. The freedom riders scheduled a stop in New Jersey at the invitation of Gov. James E. McGreevey, who will attend the rally, a governor's spokesman said. Turner, in an interview at his home Monday, explained why he has called for opposition to the freedom ride. "To brazenly rally and ask to be forgiven for breaking our laws is outrageous," Turner said, puffing a cigar in the lobby of his apartment building, and wearing a T-shirt that read, Hal Turner University and Mighty Whities. "This country was built by white people for white people." Turner's strategy of focusing on immigrants fits in with a larger movement among white separatists and neo-notcees who say issues of immigration serve as a springboard to voice their opposition to non-whites in New Jersey and the nation. Shaun Walker, a spokesman for the National Alliance, a self-described white separatist group based in West Virginia, said, "White people are uncomfortable having an openly racial issue, but people will bring up an immigration issue quite comfortably." Turner's supporters include the National Alliance, Aryan Nation and Ku Klux Klan. He says all three organizations have committed to attending his counter-demonstration in Liberty State Park. Walker confirmed that National Alliance members from the tri-state area and beyond would attend Turner's event. Mark Potok, a spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Turner is no run-of-the-mill racist. "What he says on the radio is incredibly and unusually vile for even the white supremacist scene," Potok said Saturday. "He has spoken often of such things as 'portable ... lynching machines.' That's about his level of discourse. His program is really characterized by that kind of talk. He's a committed neo-notcee, that's what he's about." As to whether Turner could rally people for a counter-demonstration, Potok said, "It's questionable. We'll see. "He's incredibly unreliable. He claims illness and he's absent very often," Potok said. "He's a media guy. He's a neo-Nzi who likes to hear himself talk." Freedom Ride organizers say they are aware of Turner's plans but will proceed with their scheduled stop at Liberty State Park. The State Park Rangers declined to comment about security. In a pre-emptive strike Saturday, a group of 15 people organized by the anti-racist group One People's Project tried to demonstrate in front of Turner's home but were thwarted by police who closed off access to the street. Protesters said the police refused to allow them to stand on the sidewalk with their placards without first obtaining a permit. Police officials would not comment. One People's Project spokesman Daryle Lamont Jenkins said, "We wanted to draw attention to Hal Turner and what he's trying to pull ... We don't want this element in our community and our state." Jenkins said the New Brunswick group hopes that public protest will galvanize local communities to drive the hate groups from their area. New Jersey is home to 19 hate groups, including the North Bergen chapter of the Aryan Nation, according to the latest report by the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center. The National Alliance has a West Milford chapter that meets in Elmwood Park. Police Chief Don Ingrasselino said that to date no violent outbursts have occurred in Elmwood Park between anti-racist activists and National Alliance members. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1718 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 09:25:45 Subject: HCDO adopts National Socialist Party Agenda With Arnold being elected in short in California the HCDO has adopted the program suggested by the National Socialist Party. This change in policy will allow them to host the KKK rally in full uniform. Goose Step a new Step for me. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hudson County Republicans posted Message 1719 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 09:27:36 Subject: Elect Elise DiNardo For State Assembly in the 33rd District Born and raised in Jersey City, New Jersey, Elise DiNardo attended Saint Dominic Academy High School as well as Saint Peter's College, receiving her Bachelor of Science in Economics. Elise continues her aducation by attending Michigan State University and the Thomas M. Cooley Law School in Lansing, Michigan where she earned her Juris Doctor in 1988. Elise DiNardo continues to have a successful career as a trial attorney heading up her own firm for 11 years. She has made numerous television appearances as a legal analyst for MSNBC, CNN, CN8, and News 12 New Jersey. She has been a guest lecturer and speaker for students, professionals, and at training academies throughout New Jersey. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Truth Be Told posted Message 1720 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 11:55:40 Subject: Re: Elect Elise DiNardo For State Assembly in the 33rd District : Born and raised in Jersey City, New Jersey, Elise DiNardo attended Saint Dominic Academy High School as well as Saint Peter's College, receiving her Bachelor of Science in Economics. Elise continues her aducation by attending Michigan State University and the Thomas M. Cooley Law School in Lansing, Michigan where she earned her Juris Doctor in 1988. : Elise DiNardo continues to have a successful career as a trial attorney heading up her own firm for 11 years. She has made numerous television appearances as a legal analyst for MSNBC, CNN, CN8, and News 12 New Jersey. She has been a guest lecturer and speaker for students, professionals, and at training academies throughout New Jersey. And she helps murderer thugs like the dirt bag in yesterday's JJ walk the sreets to terrorize us. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Timothy Leary posted Message 1721 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 13:22:47 Subject: Far Out Man !!!! Are you people on drugs or what ? Can I have some of what you are smoking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Miss Crabtree posted Message 1722 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 13:25:42 Subject: SEPARATION Someday you'll learn to spell young man !! ***************** End Of Article ****************** MAYOR MAN posted Message 1723 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 13:33:02 Subject: HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY ! Mr. Trouble never hangs around When he hears this mighty sound... "Here I come to save the day!" That means that Mayor Man is on the way. When there is a wrong to right Mayor Man will join the fight On the sea or on the land He gets the situation well in hand So though we are in danger We never despair Cause we know that where there's danger He is there! He is there! On the land! On the sea! In the air! We're not worryin' at all We're just listenin' for his call "Here I come to save the day!" That means that Mayor Man is on the way! ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 1724 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 13:37:32 Subject: Re: HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY ! You have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands! So will there be a second verse to this ditty? : Mr. Trouble never hangs around : When he hears this mighty sound... : "Here I come to save the day!" : That means that Mayor Man is on the way. : When there is a wrong to right : Mayor Man will join the fight : On the sea or on the land : He gets the situation well in hand : So though we are in danger : We never despair : Cause we know that where there's danger : He is there! : He is there! : On the land! : On the sea! : In the air! : We're not worryin' at all : We're just listenin' for his call : "Here I come to save the day!" : That means that Mayor Man is on the way! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Skychopper posted Message 1725 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 13:56:46 Subject: Breaking news Mayor man was on his way back to city hall when he snagged his cape on one of the points on Lady Liberty's crown. Marines are on their way over to help him down. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 1726 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 15:23:09 Subject: Nice pic. Was this before or after. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woolly Bully posted Message 1727 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 15:45:29 Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech : You move us Glazer...sniff, sniff! Was it good for you too? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Looks like during if you ask me posted Message 1728 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 15:52:52 Subject: Re: Nice pic. Looks like someone did it and ran. You really should take better care of yourself. It seems as though playing with bike gangs is not your speed slow down relax. : Was this before or after. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1729 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 15:55:50 Subject: The Don will be removed from the Bar shortly Imagine if the Don where removed from the bar could this be true? I imagine that target letters deals with AGs and what not are taking there toll on the Don. It is after all a great deal of work steal 200 million over the last 20 years. All those offshore accounts some many how do you keep track of it all. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1730 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 15:58:05 Subject: HCDO has purchased passports for Nauru HCDO purchases passports for Nauru with no extradition treaty they are safe with all their ill-gotten gains. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1731 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:00:34 Subject: SPECIAL CHARTERED FLIGHT FOR THE HCDO WHERE OH WHERE HAVE THEY ALL GONE LEAVING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITH A NEW PASSPORT TO LOCATIONS UNKNOWN. MY SOURCES SAY SOMEWHERE IN THE INDIAN OCEAN. THE BIG SURPRISE THEY HAVE NOT MADE PLANS TO TAKE THE FAMILY FOR THE TRIP. FORMER MEMBERS OF THE HCDO BOARD ARE SOON TO BECOME A RARE SPECIES. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1732 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:02:35 Subject: WITNESS PROCTECTION IN OFFSHORE LOCATIONS FOR AS LITTLE AS 15 GRAND A PASSPORT WITH NAURU CAN BE PURCHASED WITH A NEW NAME AND LARGE BALANCES IN THE OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS SMALL RESORT LOCATIONS IN THE INDIAN OCEAN ARE ALREADY BEING PREPARED. ROCKETMAN ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1733 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:05:49 Subject: Cunningham retires prior to taking senate office GLENN CUNNINGHAM WILL RESIGN FROM POLITICAL LIFE. HAVING DEFEATED THE HCDO GLENN WILL RETIRE AND NOT CONTRIBUTE HIS NAME TO THE GENERAL ELECTION. A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR MAYOR AND DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR STATE SENATE WILL BE ANNOUNCED SHORTLY. GLENN CUNNINGHAM HAS ACHIEVED HIS GOALS AND PLANS A HAPPY RETIREMENT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1734 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:07:59 Subject: UTN will be closed Due to the high cost of operating the UTN the paper will close its office and print its final edition shortly. The defeat of the HCDO has achieved all the goals they wished for. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1735 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:12:21 Subject: Our beloved Congressman Our beloved Congressman has been shortlisted for Vice President to run with Clark. It seems as though the slate will be clear shortly in all offices. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1736 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:14:06 Subject: Union City Starts a Separation Movement to another a county Union City will also file with its voters to start another county. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1737 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:15:44 Subject: Jailhouserock Revealed as Scarinci Operative Jailhouserock finally confirmation of the relationship between Jailhouserock and Scarinci. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1738 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:17:15 Subject: HCDO trying to change County Charter to stop Separation The HCDO is trying to have the County Charter changed to not allow a separation of it member cities. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 1739 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:21:11 Subject: Bayonne Starts a Separation movement who will be left Bayonne Starts a Separation movement who will be left ***************** End Of Article ****************** Miss Crabtree posted Message 1740 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:42:04 Subject: Congratulations You spelled it right. You get an A. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mayor Man posted Message 1741 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:45:45 Subject: Re: HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY ! : You have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands! : So will there be a second verse to this ditty? Sorry, Mighty Mouse would only sell me the first verse. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Life is good posted Message 1742 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:48:21 Subject: Re: UTN will be closed Horray! no more Glazer!. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Life is good posted Message 1743 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 16:50:47 Subject: Re: Nice pic. Who? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 1744 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 17:01:56 Subject: Re: Nice pic. Me a biker babe? No way, I may break a nail! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 1745 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 17:06:26 Subject: Re: UTN will be closed It's a shame to waste such talent writing for a rag! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dudleydoright posted Message 1746 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 17:20:34 Subject: Re: Cunningham retires prior to taking senate office Stripped of his badge, his office, and his Lady-Nine, the usually bland, naive Mayor-Man is ready to "kick some serious UTN bootie." He becomes a masked man on a mission, setting out on his Tricycle to defeat the villains, win the heart of the fair maiden and bring peace back to the Pocono's....Hopefully, he won't screw it up. ***************** End Of Article ****************** THREE LETER MAN posted Message 1747 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 18:10:11 Subject: RUSSO INDICTED Former Hoboken Mayor Anthony Russo was indicted today on bribery and extortion charges. Russo was defeated for re-election in 2001 and won a comeback bid for City Councilman in May. He resigned that post just a few weeks after taking office. (09/25/03) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Howie posted Message 1748 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 18:14:00 Subject: RUSSO is a good guy he tried to run over bernie kenny. : Former Hoboken Mayor Anthony Russo was indicted today on bribery and extortion charges. Russo was defeated for re-election in 2001 and won a comeback bid for City Councilman in May. He resigned that post just a few weeks after taking office. (09/25/03) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1749 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 18:31:37 Subject: Re: Cunningham retires prior to taking senate office We should be so fortunate ***************** End Of Article ****************** MUSTO'S REVENGE posted Message 1750 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 20:23:40 Subject: MESSAGE OF THE DAY MESSAGE OF THE DAY TOO OFTEN, WE LOSE SIGHT OF LIFE'S SIMPLE PLEASURES. REMEMBER, WHEN SOMEONE ANNOYS YOU IT TAKES 42 MUSCLES IN YOUR FACE TO FROWN BUT, IT ONLY TAKES 4 MUSCLES TO EXTEND YOUR ARM AND ?ITCH-SLAP THE MOTHERZUCKER IN THE HEAD. PASS IT ON. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1751 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 20:30:11 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jailhouserock posted Message 1752 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 22:43:15 Subject: Re: Jailhouserock Revealed as Scarinci Operative How wrong you are! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Word to live by posted Message 1753 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 25, 2003 at 23:21:27 Subject: Anthony just a reminder The purpose of this Message Board is to provide a vehicle so that people can express their opinions/observations (anonymously, if they so desire) on Hudson County Politics -- AND to be able to see what others think: a conversation. Anybody who attempts to flood the Board (in effect, denying others the opportunity to post), will find their messages deleted. WELL LOOK BELOW ...WE WILL ASSUME THAT YOU FEEL IT'S JUST A PUDDLE NOT FLOODING. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Urban Times News posted Message 1754 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 05:27:46 Subject: MAYOR MENENDEZ AIDS TERRORISTS AND MURDERER- KENNY, JR. PLEADS IGNORANCE, SAYS HE “DIDN’T KNOW” UTN NEWS ANALYSIS ***************** End Of Article ****************** BooYah!!! posted Message 1755 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 07:39:12 Subject: Re: MAYOR MENENDEZ AIDS TERRORISTS AND MURDERER- KENNY, JR. PLEADS IGNORANCE, SAYS HE “DIDN’T KNOW” : UTN NEWS ANALYSIS So? Murder, terrorism, graft. What about pedophelia? Necrophelia, moral terpitude, recidivism, drug and alcohol dependency, domestic violence, drunk driving, income tax evasion, theft of services. What about the total sleaze factor? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Omega 7 posted Message 1756 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 08:14:15 Subject: Re: MAYOR MENENDEZ AIDS TERRORISTS AND MURDERER- KENNY, JR. PLEADS IGNORANCE, SAYS HE “DIDN’T KNOW” http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/belligerence/remon.htm : UTN NEWS ANALYSIS ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wit Nit posted Message 1757 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 08:20:50 Subject: Re: Anthony just a reminder : The purpose of this Message Board is to provide a vehicle so that people can express their opinions/observations (anonymously, if they so desire) on Hudson County Politics -- : AND to be able to see what others think: a conversation. Anybody who attempts to flood the Board (in effect, denying others the opportunity to post), will find their messages deleted. : WELL LOOK BELOW ...WE WILL ASSUME THAT YOU FEEL IT'S JUST A PUDDLE NOT FLOODING. Anthony is under his rock at the present time. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1758 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 08:23:47 Subject: Alice Cooper: I Love the Dead First off, finish your coffee. You're mixing up the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle of your own story. The Honorable State Senator Bernard Kenny was fuming that HCDO (mis)leadership were being described with the words "pedophile" and "necrophiliac." (As an aside, that charge is not true. If Kenny is going to continue to contend otherwise, he better come up with sources toot sweet. It's a crying disgrace that both the JJ and NJN allowed him to make an unsubstantiated charge like that.) He wasn't calling the opposition child molesters and corpse lovers. Or are the facts irrelevant here? It couldn't be -- in the finest tradition of Goebbels -- a Big Lie just intended to confuse the minds of the voters? And what is this thing with necrophilia, anyhow? Is it some sort of regression to the days of wine and Alice Cooper? Are charges of Billion Dollar Baby perversions right around the corner? And what's going one with that big snake? Anybody biting the heads offa chickens? : : UTN NEWS ANALYSIS : So? Murder, terrorism, graft. What about pedophelia? Necrophelia, moral terpitude, recidivism, drug and alcohol dependency, domestic violence, drunk driving, income tax evasion, theft of services. What about the total sleaze factor? ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1759 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 09:06:27 Subject: Think B I G! And why stop there? Let's throw around that Moby Dick of a great American false accusations -- Devil Worship! Here's some ammunition for ya: many years ago I lived across the street from where the Exorcist was filmed! : First off, finish your coffee. You're mixing up the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle of your own story. The Honorable State Senator Bernard Kenny was fuming that HCDO (mis)leadership were being described with the words "pedophile" and "necrophiliac." (As an aside, that charge is not true. If Kenny is going to continue to contend otherwise, he better come up with sources toot sweet. It's a crying disgrace that both the JJ and NJN allowed him to make an unsubstantiated charge like that.) He wasn't calling the opposition child molesters and corpse lovers. Or are the facts irrelevant here? It couldn't be -- in the finest tradition of Goebbels -- a Big Lie just intended to confuse the minds of the voters? : And what is this thing with necrophilia, anyhow? Is it some sort of regression to the days of wine and Alice Cooper? Are charges of Billion Dollar Baby perversions right around the corner? And what's going one with that big snake? Anybody biting the heads offa chickens? : : : : UTN NEWS ANALYSIS : : So? Murder, terrorism, graft. What about pedophelia? Necrophelia, moral terpitude, recidivism, drug and alcohol dependency, domestic violence, drunk driving, income tax evasion, theft of services. What about the total sleaze factor? ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1760 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 09:07:53 Subject: Patriotic Slogan : Anthony is under his rock at the present time. Don't Tread On Me. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1761 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 09:11:01 Subject: Re: Alice Cooper: I Love the Dead Could it be that the Hudson Dem Machine has been using the graveyard for votes for so long, that the HCDO is like now totally fixated on the deceased? : First off, finish your coffee. You're mixing up the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle of your own story. The Honorable State Senator Bernard Kenny was fuming that HCDO (mis)leadership were being described with the words "pedophile" and "necrophiliac." (As an aside, that charge is not true. If Kenny is going to continue to contend otherwise, he better come up with sources toot sweet. It's a crying disgrace that both the JJ and NJN allowed him to make an unsubstantiated charge like that.) He wasn't calling the opposition child molesters and corpse lovers. Or are the facts irrelevant here? It couldn't be -- in the finest tradition of Goebbels -- a Big Lie just intended to confuse the minds of the voters? : And what is this thing with necrophilia, anyhow? Is it some sort of regression to the days of wine and Alice Cooper? Are charges of Billion Dollar Baby perversions right around the corner? And what's going one with that big snake? Anybody biting the heads offa chickens? : : : : UTN NEWS ANALYSIS : : So? Murder, terrorism, graft. What about pedophelia? Necrophelia, moral terpitude, recidivism, drug and alcohol dependency, domestic violence, drunk driving, income tax evasion, theft of services. What about the total sleaze factor? ***************** End Of Article ****************** TRUTH will PREVAIL posted Message 1762 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 10:33:10 Subject: Great Post !! Very Informative. Thanks for the informative posting. They can't hide from the truth. ***************** End Of Article ****************** yo mamma posted Message 1763 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 12:27:13 Subject: Re: INDICTMENT EXPECTED TOMORROW Russo was one of yours Stevie-Poo ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens, The Urban Times News posted Message 1764 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 18:07:01 Subject: INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP jstevens@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** The girls posted Message 1765 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 19:01:10 Subject: Re: INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP Javier is a hotty! Are you a hotty Steve?... opps... we mean "Jay" ***************** End Of Article ****************** The girls posted Message 1765 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 19:01:10 Subject: Re: INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP Javier is a hotty! Are you a hotty Steve?... opps... we mean "Jay" ***************** End Of Article ****************** Summer is Gone Musto's Revenge Retires posted Message 1766 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 22:44:59 Subject: Life in the Hamptons It is now time to go back to work having spent the whole summer having parties in the Hamptons. This summer was the end of an age as the world has gotten poorer and mean. It seems we where prefectly happy to accept political corruption when we had money and could pay the bills. In this hard economic enviroment we find it difficult to accept the excesses of the politicians that are over paid for little or no work and steal on top of that. The hard times are on us like white on rice. So now the mean streets await us all. We need as democrats to ban together regardless of what has happened before for the good of all of us. We are in for some tough times real tough times. So it is with some regret I call off my own personal war with the HCDO live and let live. Musto's Revenge Retires. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Return posted Message 1767 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 22:49:03 Subject: Organized Crime creates jobs and is a growth industry Organized Crime should be studied because it creates jobs and grows quickly with little or no support from the government. If government promoted organized crime it might solve the lack of good paying jobs. In fact if one area became good at organized crime they might export it and create wealth in new places. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Return posted Message 1768 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 22:52:56 Subject: Decriminalize Drugs and reduce crime If Hudson County could go soft on drugs and attract the recreational users incomes would interest and jobs would be created. Decriminalizing drugs would reduce the prison rolls and allow for increased taxes if the sale where regulated and taxed. Jersey City itself might itself in an economic boom. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Quage posted Message 1769 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 26, 2003 at 23:08:18 Subject: Re: Life in the Hamptons That is a good thing ..put your talent to good use..not this crap ***************** End Of Article ****************** Get Real posted Message 1770 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 02:03:35 Subject: Re: Life in the Hamptons Hamptons? This is Hudson County Glazer, Not Westbury! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Return posted Message 1771 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 07:57:05 Subject: Victim of love What could I do what could I say money, sex, power, and a car. It was a longtime ago I was just a young lawyer scrapping my way through the dirty streets of Union City when I found my love. She was a large rather imposing women dressed in the garb of a common harlot. Our eyes found each others that mist filled night and we find we walk the same path still. The deal is her name sometimes under the table, sometimes on top. Shes a lover of sleath and can be found by those that look into the law without considering intent. Crafted from the dreams of proverty and hopelessness she holds my hand and will place me in my grave. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto' s Return posted Message 1772 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 08:21:13 Subject: Creatures of the dark Anything worth knowing is worth keeping secret. ***************** End Of Article ****************** C.I.A. posted Message 1773 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 09:54:22 Subject: Re: Victim of love Can someone please fill the rest of us in on what is going on out here. All these secret messages, what gives? We don't want to pry but: WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN WHY & HOW? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1774 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 10:52:36 Subject: Re: Creatures of the dark That's why I rarely believe the things I read out here. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1775 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 11:26:21 Subject: Your way out of line John and Bobby Kennedy were great politicians despite being the sons of a criminal. Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger. Justice Cardozo is perhaps the greatest legal figure in US history despite the fact that his father was a corrupt judge. Senator Kenny is the son of convicted criminal, yet that doesn't prevent him from doing his job. Ascribing a parents character flaws to their children is absurd. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Whatever You Say posted Message 1776 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 13:11:06 Subject: Re: Your way out of line-Way out of your line You are right and we are wrong. You win. These are great leaders viciously maligned by the UTN gang. Kenny complained that these reports were inaccurate. The point is they are true. Menendez said it is alright to break the law and commit murder as long as you feel it is in the name of a good cause. Then he tried to weasel out of having said it. They are both sociopathic liars. But you are right. Bernie Jr. is not a crook and a liar because of what his daddy did. Bernie Jr. is a crook and a liar because of what he did and continues to do. But you obviously do not care about that. As long as you invoke the name of Bobby and John Kennedy, it is alright. : John and Bobby Kennedy were great politicians despite being the sons of a criminal. Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger. Justice Cardozo is perhaps the greatest legal figure in US history despite the fact that his father was a corrupt judge. Senator Kenny is the son of convicted criminal, yet that doesn't prevent him from doing his job. Ascribing a parents character flaws to their children is absurd. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1777 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 14:21:09 Subject: Re: Your way out of line-Way out of your line I understand your point. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1778 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 14:40:43 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Get Smart posted Message 1779 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 14:57:53 Subject: Re: Victim of love Again we ask---what is with all these strange posts? WHO?WHAT?WHERE?WHWN and WHY? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Return posted Message 1780 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 20:09:06 Subject: Something odd in the air My sense tells me that the mystical flow of energy has been disturbed and must be fixed. Who will fill the power vacuum that the HCDO leadership is leaving in its mad suicidal rush to conviction. Is there a new way to re-establish the HCDO power based without a corrupt leadership? Perhaps not since the spoils of victory tend to corrupt the victor. So maybe it is time to start hounding the next leadership before they actually take the throne? It makes sense since the seeds of a new leadership are sown in the previous regime. If those that will fill the rolls of leadership are of a similar nature it may take another 30 years for a new leadership to emerge. This endless cycle of corruption seems un-breakable. In the end the only ones that suffer are those that need the vital services. Since the current victors seem to be those that may have suffered from corruption in the past the sense of irony overcomes me. Whatshall I do go on the attack against the new victors since the old leadership is all but dead (Politically Speaking) or rather suggest that honest none machine leaders be encouraged to confront any and all leaders that are machine appointed. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Joe Doria Has Gas posted Message 1781 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 27, 2003 at 22:31:36 Subject: Something odd in the air !!! : My sense tells me that the mystical flow of energy has been disturbed and must be fixed. Who will fill the power vacuum that the HCDO leadership is leaving in its mad suicidal rush to conviction. Is there a new way to re-establish the HCDO power based without a corrupt leadership? Perhaps not since the spoils of victory tend to corrupt the victor. So maybe it is time to start hounding the next leadership before they actually take the throne? It makes sense since the seeds of a new leadership are sown in the previous regime. If those that will fill the rolls of leadership are of a similar nature it may take another 30 years for a new leadership to emerge. This endless cycle of corruption seems un-breakable. In the end the only ones that suffer are those that need the vital services. Since the current victors seem to be those that may have suffered from corruption in the past the sense of irony overcomes me. Whatshall I do go on the attack against the new victors since the old leadership is all but dead (Politically Speaking) or rather suggest that honest none machine leaders be encouraged to confront any and all leaders that are machine appointed. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Return posted Message 1782 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 09:13:15 Subject: Standing in line to get ripped off Well as luck would have it the taxes levied by Hudson county have increased and the services have gone down. How can this be in the age of the consumer you might ask yourself? Well the answer is simple Hudson County has never emerged from the age of the serf. The Lords of the County take as they see fit and leave no rock unturned for their greed. Now the only question is what rock are you hiding under or do you simply stand in line take a number and wait for them to take everything you need or have. This is why the County must become separate entities because the skim off the top has gotten to the bottom of the barrel. You cannot steal everything. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Free Willy posted Message 1783 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 09:56:23 Subject: Uncle Harvey Leads the Parade of Clowns Sending in the clowns? Between the lines Sending in the clowns? September 28, 2003 The Hudson County Democratic Organization's selection of Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith to go to Trenton as the temporary state senator makes a lot of sense. What better way can you torture the loser of a primary election than to show him exactly what he'll miss when the winner of November's general election takes office in January? Better still, why not put a big red nose on Mr. Smith, issue him some floppy shoes and a multi-colored hat so that none of the other legislators in Trenton can possibly mistake him for anything but one more clown from Hudson County? How better can the HCDO better show their respect for the dignified Mr. Smith than by rubbing his nose in his loss? Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham may be slightly stung by the fact that he will likely have to wait until December to get the seat, but he knows he will get the seat in the end and that Mr. Smith will have the distinction of having served as Hudson County's lame duck senator. Why shouldn't we do this to all losers of political conflict - make certain the pain of their loss gets down deep into the bones so they may never recover? And the HCDO people who did this are Mr. Smith's friends? With friends like that, as the saying goes, maybe Smith should look to his enemies. This is being touted as a battle between Rep. Bob Menendez and Cunningham, a personal feud that has the county's mayors fuming because when it comes to the bottom line, each mayor is paying the tab in election financing. The truth is: it is not about personalities. It is about contracts. Which contractor gets his or her piece of the huge Hudson County pie? The fight that will ultimately humiliate Mr. Smith and others can be easily connected to firms like Kenny & Florio, Scarinci & Hollenbeck, Ernst & Young, Wenier-Lesniak as it can to Cunningham-Menendez. And in the battle over the old order, established under the dictates of former County Executive Robert Janiszewski, and the new order, emerging under Jersey City's first African American mayor, no personalities matter, only money does. Comic book heroes? Cunningham became a comic book hero last week, setting a precedent for Hudson County politics. We can just imagine the comics that might be made based on other politicos. Bayonne Mayor Joe Doria: the Magnificent Mathematics Man, perpetually counting votes to see if they come out differently. He lost to Lou Manzo in the primary by a scant 200 votes. North Bergen Mayor Nicholas Sacco: He doesn't have any superpowers, just multiple alternative identities. Whereas Superman was sometimes Clark Kent, Sacco is sometimes mayor, sometimes senator and sometimes assistant superintendent of schools. Union City Mayor Brian Stack: I Can Do It All Man. Stack proves that you don't have to ever delegate authority - a true superhero provided he doesn't have a heart attack first. Secaucus Mayor Dennis Elwell: I Got Land For Development Man. With the last available space for massive redevelopment, Elwell is among the strongest superheroes in Hudson County. West New York Mayor Albio Sires: Now You See Him-Now You Don't Man. Where Sires is at any given point in time makes him the equivalent of Hudson County's invisible man. Weehawken Mayor Richard Turner: Who Am I Today Man: Dealing with Turner is like dealing with characters in a Pepsi commercial. You know, the ones who zip off masks to become different people. Sometimes Turner is Turner, the mayor of Weehawken; but sometimes he's the power behind other mayors, stepping into West New York when no one can find Sires. Sometimes he's in his role as a member of the state Local Finance Board where his is the friendly face for petitioners from places like Hoboken or Secaucus. Hoboken Mayor Dave Roberts: How Did I Get to Be Mayor Man: Roberts is Hudson County's equivalent of the Marathon Man in a race in which he is the only contestant, and yet he is convinced he is going to lose. But to whom? The list could, of course, be extended to other public officials such as County Executive Tom DeGise who might be Swimming With Sharks Man. His comic adventure is to keep from having his flesh ripped apart by the vicious political world into which he was elected. Rep. Bob Menendez might well be All My Political Friends Really Hate Me Man, for all the loyal supporters who would really want to be supporting someone else. And last but not least, Gov. Jim McGreevey, who claims Hudson County as his home away ., as How Else Can I Screw Up Man. Since coming to office, McGreevey has made every wrong decision possible, surrounding himself with a class of characters that have inspired more potential flack that most governors before him except for Jim Florio. Shooting the messenger Last week this column took Hoboken's Michael Lenz to task for failing a portion of his test to become a CFO. As an open critic of Hoboken's finances, Lenz is fair game for such attacks. This does not mean he is wrong in his criticism, or that failing one of the most difficult tests in state is anything to be ashamed of. The fact that his critics choose to highlight the test rather than answer his questions may merely show how clever they are at diversion. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that if a city spends more money than it takes in, taxes will eventually go up. Lenz and others have pointed to the basic fact that Hoboken's refinancing keeps taxes down during a mayoral election year, but at the expense of future years when taxpayers will have to pay more. And that the basic solution isn't to refinance, it is to stop spending. This, of course, is the real challenge to Roberts' leadership. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Is Cunnigham Clean is the Question posted Message 1784 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 12:48:30 Subject: Re: Uncle Harvey Leads the Parade of Clowns ONE MUST REMEMBER THAT GLENN CUNNINGHAM COMES FROM THE RANKS OF THE HCDO AS WELL AS BOBBY BOY.. THE BOBBY BOY AND GLENN WHATSUP HAVE BEEN PART OF THE CORRUPTION ITS LIKE THIS YOU SEE THEY ALL FEED FROM THE SAME TROUGH : Sending in the clowns? : Between the lines : Sending in the clowns? : : September 28, 2003 : : The Hudson County Democratic Organization's selection of Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith to go to Trenton as the temporary state senator makes a lot of sense. : What better way can you torture the loser of a primary election than to show him exactly what he'll miss when the winner of November's general election takes office in January? : Better still, why not put a big red nose on Mr. Smith, issue him some floppy shoes and a multi-colored hat so that none of the other legislators in Trenton can possibly mistake him for anything but one more clown from Hudson County? : How better can the HCDO better show their respect for the dignified Mr. Smith than by rubbing his nose in his loss? : Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham may be slightly stung by the fact that he will likely have to wait until December to get the seat, but he knows he will get the seat in the end and that Mr. Smith will have the distinction of having served as Hudson County's lame duck senator. : Why shouldn't we do this to all losers of political conflict - make certain the pain of their loss gets down deep into the bones so they may never recover? : And the HCDO people who did this are Mr. Smith's friends? With friends like that, as the saying goes, maybe Smith should look to his enemies. This is being touted as a battle between Rep. Bob Menendez and Cunningham, a personal feud that has the county's mayors fuming because when it comes to the bottom line, each mayor is paying the tab in election financing. : The truth is: it is not about personalities. It is about contracts. Which contractor gets his or her piece of the huge Hudson County pie? : The fight that will ultimately humiliate Mr. Smith and others can be easily connected to firms like Kenny & Florio, Scarinci & Hollenbeck, Ernst & Young, Wenier-Lesniak as it can to Cunningham-Menendez. : And in the battle over the old order, established under the dictates of former County Executive Robert Janiszewski, and the new order, emerging under Jersey City's first African American mayor, no personalities matter, only money does. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FRIED CHICKEN posted Message 1785 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 12:56:22 Subject: BOBBY BOY AND RERUN WILL FALL SHORTLY THE AMAZING SITCOM DUO OF BOBBY BOY AND RERUN WILL FALL ALONG WITH THE HCDO SINCE TAKING CONSULTING CONTRACTS OR ACTING AS A LOBBY FOR CERTAIN DOWNTOWN JERSEY CITY COMMERCIAL VENUES IS ALSO CORRUPT. SO WHILE THE HCDO HAS ALL BUT KISSED THEIR FUTURE GOOD BYE SO HAS BOBBY BOY AND RERUN. AFTER ALL GOLDMAN SACHS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY TO BE REPRESENTED BUT THEY DO AND HOW MANY OTHERS PAY BIG MONEY TO OPERATE IN JERSEY CITY? COULDN'T THAT LEVERAGE BE USED FOR THE CITIZENS RATHER THAN LINING THE POCKETS OF BOBBY BOY AND FUNDING ELECTIONS FOR RERUN. THIS IS THE SAME OLD GAME THE WAR STARTED BECAUSE THEY ALL WANTED A PIECE OF THE ACTION NOTHING MORE. CUNNINGHAM SHOULD BE THROWN OUT AS WELL AS BOBBY BE INVESTIGATED. BUT WAIT THEY ARE ALSO ON THE LIST OF THOSE THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED SUSPECT. HAS BOBBY BOY CHECKED HIS OFFICE FOR SCANS LATELY? OR HIS CAR, HOME OR FORGOTTEN WHO HE WAS BEST BUDDIES WITH WARD F HAS ITS OWN SECRETS ALONG SIMILAR LINES. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1786 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 14:08:11 Subject: Omega 7 Defense Fund - Hudson Dispatch, Wednesday, October 7, 1987 Wednesday, October 7, 1987 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Parabellum posted Message 1787 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 14:09:59 Subject: Re: BOBBY BOY AND RERUN WILL FALL SHORTLY --Please hold your breath! You with all the information. This is WAR. Do not hold back. All's fair. Take you best shot. Bring on your disclosures and revelations. Tell the world all about these things. Now's the time. So what do you have to tell us? We cannot wait to hear. : THE AMAZING SITCOM DUO OF BOBBY BOY AND RERUN WILL FALL ALONG WITH THE HCDO SINCE TAKING CONSULTING CONTRACTS OR ACTING AS A LOBBY FOR CERTAIN DOWNTOWN JERSEY CITY COMMERCIAL VENUES IS ALSO CORRUPT. SO WHILE THE HCDO HAS ALL BUT KISSED THEIR FUTURE GOOD BYE SO HAS BOBBY BOY AND RERUN. AFTER ALL GOLDMAN SACHS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY TO BE REPRESENTED BUT THEY DO AND HOW MANY OTHERS PAY BIG MONEY TO OPERATE IN JERSEY CITY? COULDN'T THAT LEVERAGE BE USED FOR THE CITIZENS RATHER THAN LINING THE POCKETS OF BOBBY BOY AND FUNDING ELECTIONS FOR RERUN. THIS IS THE SAME OLD GAME THE WAR STARTED BECAUSE THEY ALL WANTED A PIECE OF THE ACTION NOTHING MORE. CUNNINGHAM SHOULD BE THROWN OUT AS WELL AS BOBBY BE INVESTIGATED. BUT WAIT THEY ARE ALSO ON THE LIST OF THOSE THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED SUSPECT. HAS BOBBY BOY CHECKED HIS OFFICE FOR SCANS LATELY? OR HIS CAR, HOME OR FORGOTTEN WHO HE WAS BEST BUDDIES WITH WARD F HAS ITS OWN SECRETS ALONG SIMILAR LINES. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Duke's Up posted Message 1788 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 14:12:07 Subject: Re: Uncle Harvey Leads the Parade of Clowns Thank you, oh sage of the obscure hints. Out 'em if you got 'em : ONE MUST REMEMBER THAT GLENN CUNNINGHAM COMES FROM THE RANKS OF THE HCDO AS WELL AS BOBBY BOY.. THE BOBBY BOY AND GLENN WHATSUP HAVE BEEN PART OF THE CORRUPTION ITS LIKE THIS YOU SEE THEY ALL FEED FROM THE SAME TROUGH : : : Sending in the clowns? : : Between the lines : : Sending in the clowns? : : : : September 28, 2003 : : : : The Hudson County Democratic Organization's selection of Jersey City Council President L. Harvey Smith to go to Trenton as the temporary state senator makes a lot of sense. : : What better way can you torture the loser of a primary election than to show him exactly what he'll miss when the winner of November's general election takes office in January? : : Better still, why not put a big red nose on Mr. Smith, issue him some floppy shoes and a multi-colored hat so that none of the other legislators in Trenton can possibly mistake him for anything but one more clown from Hudson County? : : How better can the HCDO better show their respect for the dignified Mr. Smith than by rubbing his nose in his loss? : : Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham may be slightly stung by the fact that he will likely have to wait until December to get the seat, but he knows he will get the seat in the end and that Mr. Smith will have the distinction of having served as Hudson County's lame duck senator. : : Why shouldn't we do this to all losers of political conflict - make certain the pain of their loss gets down deep into the bones so they may never recover? : : And the HCDO people who did this are Mr. Smith's friends? With friends like that, as the saying goes, maybe Smith should look to his enemies. This is being touted as a battle between Rep. Bob Menendez and Cunningham, a personal feud that has the county's mayors fuming because when it comes to the bottom line, each mayor is paying the tab in election financing. : : The truth is: it is not about personalities. It is about contracts. Which contractor gets his or her piece of the huge Hudson County pie? : : The fight that will ultimately humiliate Mr. Smith and others can be easily connected to firms like Kenny & Florio, Scarinci & Hollenbeck, Ernst & Young, Wenier-Lesniak as it can to Cunningham-Menendez. : : And in the battle over the old order, established under the dictates of former County Executive Robert Janiszewski, and the new order, emerging under Jersey City's first African American mayor, no personalities matter, only money does. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Typical Menendez posted Message 1789 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 15:01:23 Subject: Leopard Does Not Change It's Spots Despite all attempts to do otherwise - The Leopard can not change it's spots. : Wednesday, October 7, 1987 ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1790 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 17:26:18 Subject: Menendez calls report a 'mischaracterization' - Hudson Dispatch, October 8, 1987 ISSUES STATEMENT ***************** End Of Article ****************** O'zapft is! posted Message 1791 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 19:27:10 Subject: HCDO get your lederhosen ready its almost Oktoberfest time Oktoberfest is all most upon us so all you good members of the Furhers Party the HCDO which means each and everyone of you its party time. Maybe you can play your favorite game of kick the Jew. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1792 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:01:15 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I've got a name posted Message 1793 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:12:00 Subject: Like the pine trees lining the winding road Many years ago the I had the rug pulled from underneath me after several decades of self pity I'v decided to seek revenge on all those that pulled so heavily on the rug I once stood on. You see it was those I trusted and placed in positions of power that destroyed me. HCDO members you know who I am and what I'm going to do to you, but wait it gets better I did from my grave. It is amazing how documents previously unknown can change the future plans of those un-aware of the ramifications of their actions. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dry Cleaner posted Message 1794 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:15:50 Subject: Secrets of Ward F A little known fact is the Dry Cleaners of Ward F collected the bets and the numbers for organized crime. The unofficial network of money laundering Dry Cleaners provided a safe haven for illegal events. In addition to providing microfinance to organized crime Dry Cleaners served as fencing operations for the small time crook. Now who might be the largest Dry Cleaner in Ward F maybe someone who thinks their time in the sun has come? ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1795 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:17:51 Subject: Re: Secrets of Ward F Hey, didn't you say Bobby Jackson owned alot of dry cleaners...I get it! ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1796 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:19:00 Subject: Re: Like the pine trees lining the winding road Enough with this crap already! ***************** End Of Article ****************** FRIED CHICKEN posted Message 1797 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:28:56 Subject: Bust a Move Bobby Boy hates white folks BOBBY BOY IS A RACIST OF THE OTHER KIND SO IS GLENN IS SIDE KICK RERUN. WHILE THEY ARE SLURPING DOWN RIPPLE AND EATING FRIED CHICKEN THEY MAKE REALLY BAD JOKES ABOUT ALL THE WHITE GIRLS THEY MAKE PREFORM TO KEEP THEIR JOBS. BUST A MOVE BOBBY BOY IS JUST A PLAIN OLD FASHION I HATE WHITE FOLK TYPE OF GUY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FRIED CHICKEN posted Message 1798 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:36:16 Subject: PLANTATION POLITICS HAS TURNED INTO ANIMAL FARM THE FORMER INMATES ARE NOW RUNNING THE ISANE ASYLUM BUST A MOVE BOBBY AND RERUN ARE OUT TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AND PURGE ALL THOSE IN THEIR WAY. DO NOT THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGED. THE ONLY CHANGE IS WHO COLLECTS THE MONEY THATS ALL. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1799 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:39:37 Subject: Re: Bust a Move Bobby Boy hates white folks Don't post stuff like this. Let's let them sound like azzholes all on their own. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FRIED CHICKEN posted Message 1800 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:46:38 Subject: Jersey City Irish Festival NOT WELCOMED BY MAYOR THE MAYOR AND HIS OFFICE HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO MAKE IT HARD FOR THE ORGANIZERS OF Jersey City Irish Festival. IT IS ALL PART OF HIS HONORS PLAN TO STOP ANY ETHNIC EXPRESSION OTHER THAN ONES HE APPROVES OF. ***************** End Of Article ****************** FRIED CHICKEN posted Message 1801 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 20:55:22 Subject: Sigmadom under the banner of the Xi Tau Chapter is a racist organization TYRONE BATES IS MEMBER OF THIS SECRET SOCIETY THAT CLAIMS TO HATE WHITE PEOPLE AND STRIVE FOR THEIR DEFEAT IN ALL MATTERS. EVEN IF WARD F IS REPRESENTED BY MR. BATES THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT JERSEY CITY HAS ANOTHER FORM OF RACISM. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Republican posted Message 1802 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 21:03:15 Subject: Bret Schundler for Mayor We need to get over the Democratic Regime even if it changes Glenn Cunningham will be investigated and shipped away maybe trying a Republican Mayor might help. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tax and Spend Corrupt Democrats posted Message 1803 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 28, 2003 at 21:09:29 Subject: Stop the madness stop the democrats If it moves, Democrats tax it; and when it stops, Democrats subsidize it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1804 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 05:51:05 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Welcome to Anthony's Port-O-John Wall posted Message 1805 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 08:55:11 Subject: Re: Welcome to the Message Board. : Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pandora's Box posted Message 1806 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 09:20:57 Subject: NOW is the Hour ! DO IT !! The TIME is NOW ! ! ! Do It ! : Many years ago the I had the rug pulled from underneath me after several decades of self pity I'v decided to seek revenge on all those that pulled so heavily on the rug I once stood on. You see it was those I trusted and placed in positions of power that destroyed me. HCDO members you know who I am and what I'm going to do to you, but wait it gets better I did from my grave. It is amazing how documents previously unknown can change the future plans of those un-aware of the ramifications of their actions. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Letters to the Editor posted Message 1807 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 11:11:25 Subject: Cunningham's biggest failing: Dividing the city Cunningham's biggest failing: Dividing the city I can totally understand how two elected officials playing "dueling letters" can become tedious to the public, but a lie left unchallenged can be accepted as fact. So I reluctantly must respond to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham's latest attack upon me, my office and my organization. County government has suffered some huge blows in the last several years. Misdeeds by its elected leaders and political feuds have dominated the headlines. It is easy and convenient to beat up on county government in order to deflect scrutiny on the failings of city government. I would like to simply point out that the first act I took upon taking office 10 months ago was to establish the county's first ever Ethical Standards Board - at the very time the city was simultaneously disbanding the one I helped to establish in my tenure as City Council president It is curious that Cunningham criticizes me for defending by mail the hard choices county government was forced to make thanks to the mess his hand-picked crew left behind. It was his unfair attack on me, mailed at taxpayers expense, that prompted my response. I wonder if the mayor will be so eager to defend his massive spending of taxpayer dollars on a race-baiting publication called the Urban Times News, or on the numerous junkets he has attended at our expense, or his attempt to raise his pay as soon as he took office - an attempt the state blocked. I could point out many of the policy failings of this Cunningham administration. His innovative "refinancing" was a masking of the saddling of Jersey City with tens of millions of dollars of new debt to cover operating expenses. I could point out that Jersey City is desperately lacking in the delivery of vital services. Our streets are dirty and pockmarked with potholes. Community-based policing is nonexistent. The dismantling of the neighborhood improvement districts has left a total void in the city's response to quality-of-life issues. But Glenn Cunningham's greatest failure as mayor has been his refusal to work to bring people together. Consensus is not in his vocabulary. I have never seen Jersey City as divided as it is today. The mayor's attitude, ego, rhetoric and fingerpointing style of management has divided people along racial, economic and geographic lines. Jersey City needs a leader of skill and vision to move us forward. Glenn Cunningham seems determined to pit us against each other and hold the city back. I'm going to continue to do all I can to improve the lives of the people I work for, and part of that is why I won't let Glenn Cunningham bully me. I've deeply cut the amount county government spends on taxpayer-paid-for public relations. If anyone wants to sue for that offense Glenn Cunningham ought to be the defendant. THOMAS A. DEGISE Hudson County Executive ***************** End Of Article ****************** Letters to the Editor posted Message 1808 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 13:09:17 Subject: DeGise misuses taxpayer dollars Thursday, September 25, 2003 Letters to the Editor The Jersey Journal As mayor of Jersey City it is my responsibility to inform taxpayers when their money is being used inappropriately. To spend tax dollars to launch campaign attacks is wrong, but that's exactly what Hudson County Executive Tom DeGise did when he recently sent thousands of county residents a letter in which he twisted the facts of how he raised county taxes. In the letter, which ran in The Jersey Journal on Sept. 13, Mr. DeGise almost appeared unhappy that for the second consecutive year Jersey City has not raised property taxes. Despite being cut by 80 percent in "Distressed Cities" monies from Trenton, Jersey City developed a smart refinancing plan, which spared taxpayers from shouldering any greater burden. This creative refinancing plan was done when interest rates were at a historic low - something I am surprised the county did not do in order to keep taxes low. The refinancing option saved the city millions. Taxes were stabilized, a sound fiscal plan for the city was put in place in Jersey City for the next five years. Gov. James McGreevey's Department of Community Affairs in Trenton praised me and my administration for this innovative approach. Secondly, the cost-saving plan was also voted upon and approved unanimously by the City Council of Jersey City, a body that includes Councilman Bill Gaughan, who also serves as County Executive DeGise's $100,000 per year chief of staff, and his political crony, Council President Harvey Smith, and Councilmen Junior Maldonado and Peter Brennan. The smart fiscal planning by my administration resulted in the city being able to hire 50 new firefighters and 60 new police officers - all this without raising taxes!! We're doing things the right way here in Jersey City, although it seems Tom DeGise would prefer we raise taxes on property owners to provide him and his Hudson County machine bosses with political fodder. The reality is Tom DeGise raised Jersey City's share of county taxes by $6 million this year. Two weeks prior to the June 3 primary election, Tom DeGise announced a small reduction in county taxes. However, weeks after the election we discovered Tom DeGise raised your taxes. Further, since Tom DeGise took office he has spent $2 million of taxpayers' money to hire his campaign cronies to high-paying county jobs. The people elected Mr. DeGise to fix problems, so he should stop pointing fingers and straighten out the county mess! In 2001, Mr. DeGise lost the mayoral election, although he won the primary election, and most recently he lost Jersey City to Melba Walsh, a dedicated Bayonne community leader. Instead of using taxpayer dollars to fight the mayor of Jersey City, he should work with the mayor to solve our common problems. Finally, I would not be surprised if taxpayers filed a lawsuit against Mr. DeGise's reckless use of taxpayer money to fund his most recent political attack. MAYOR GLENN D. CUNNINGHAM Jersey City : : : Cunningham's biggest failing: Dividing the city : : I can totally understand how two elected officials playing "dueling letters" can become tedious to the public, but a lie left unchallenged can be accepted as fact. So I reluctantly must respond to Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham's latest attack upon me, my office and my organization. : County government has suffered some huge blows in the last several years. Misdeeds by its elected leaders and political feuds have dominated the headlines. It is easy and convenient to beat up on county government in order to deflect scrutiny on the failings of city government. I would like to simply point out that the first act I took upon taking office 10 months ago was to establish the county's first ever Ethical Standards Board - at the very time the city was simultaneously disbanding the one I helped to establish in my tenure as City Council president : : It is curious that Cunningham criticizes me for defending by mail the hard choices county government was forced to make thanks to the mess his hand-picked crew left behind. : It was his unfair attack on me, mailed at taxpayers expense, that prompted my response. : I wonder if the mayor will be so eager to defend his massive spending of taxpayer dollars on a race-baiting publication called the Urban Times News, or on the numerous junkets he has attended at our expense, or his attempt to raise his pay as soon as he took office - an attempt the state blocked. : I could point out many of the policy failings of this Cunningham administration. His innovative "refinancing" was a masking of the saddling of Jersey City with tens of millions of dollars of new debt to cover operating expenses. I could point out that Jersey City is desperately lacking in the delivery of vital services. Our streets are dirty and pockmarked with potholes. Community-based policing is nonexistent. The dismantling of the neighborhood improvement districts has left a total void in the city's response to quality-of-life issues. : But Glenn Cunningham's greatest failure as mayor has been his refusal to work to bring people together. Consensus is not in his vocabulary. I have never seen Jersey City as divided as it is today. The mayor's attitude, ego, rhetoric and fingerpointing style of management has divided people along racial, economic and geographic lines. Jersey City needs a leader of skill and vision to move us forward. Glenn Cunningham seems determined to pit us against each other and hold the city back. : I'm going to continue to do all I can to improve the lives of the people I work for, and part of that is why I won't let Glenn Cunningham bully me. I've deeply cut the amount county government spends on taxpayer-paid-for public relations. If anyone wants to sue for that offense Glenn Cunningham ought to be the defendant. : : THOMAS A. DEGISE Hudson County Executive : : ***************** End Of Article ****************** JC Voter posted Message 1809 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 13:21:49 Subject: Re: DeGise misuses taxpayer dollars DeGise letter wins my vote. ***************** End Of Article ****************** JVK's Theme Song posted Message 1810 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 14:28:33 Subject: "NOW is the Hour " : The TIME is NOW ! ! ! : Do It ! : : Many years ago the I had the rug pulled from underneath me after several decades of self pity I'v decided to seek revenge on all those that pulled so heavily on the rug I once stood on. You see it was those I trusted and placed in positions of power that destroyed me. HCDO members you know who I am and what I'm going to do to you, but wait it gets better I did from my grave. It is amazing how documents previously unknown can change the future plans of those un-aware of the ramifications of their actions. ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1811 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 14:57:19 Subject: To: Pandora's Box...Your issues have issues! Man you are one sad soul. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Separate County Status for Jersey City posted Message 1812 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 15:02:52 Subject: Separate from Hudson County Since both the Democratic Mayor and the Democratic County boss seem at odds about what to really do which is stop using the publics money to feather their own or their friends nest directly or by other methods a separate county is required one run by Republicans. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1813 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 15:33:38 Subject: Links to the Original Letters Here are Links to the original letters: Mayor Cunningham's original letter to Jersey City taxpayers County Executive Tom DeGise's Response ***************** End Of Article ****************** Letters to the Editor posted Message 1814 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 15:39:44 Subject: State Senator Bernard Kenny: Mayor misled me on getting weekly to end its attacks Thursday, September 25, 2003 Letters to the Editor The Jersey Journal The "In Our Opinion" column that appeared in the Saturday, Sept. 20 edition of The Jersey Journal calls upon the Hudson County Democratic Party to appoint Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham to the interim 31st District state Senate seat. So long as the cloud of the ELEC laws violations charges hang over his head, it would be wrong to appoint Glenn Cunningham to that position. His appointment would be disrespectful to the people of our county and to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. In the past few years, Hudson County's reputation has sustained some very bad blows thanks to the illegal behavior of a few of its elected officials. During the recent court proceedings about the June 3 primary election, the improprieties and illegal actions used by Mayor Cunningham's longtime political operatives and campaign funders were made public. Some have said the mayor did not know of the methods being employed on his behalf during his campaign. In his ruling, Judge D'Italia said it would be disingenuous for anyone to think that the mayor did not know what was going on. When Glenn Cunningham was most recently called upon to disassociate himself from these individuals who circumvented the laws of our state, he dismissed the allegations about their tactics as "minutiae." Many of your readers may not know that the chairman of the mayor's PAC and his election committee is the publisher of the Urban Times. The Urban Times has regularly printed personal attacks on community leaders, families and elected officials who are not Cunningham supporters. They use untrue, inflammatory, vulgar and often racially offensive stories to do so. In spite of this, Mayor Cunningham continues his support for the publication through his continued authorship of a regular editorial column and by allowing a great deal of advertising of City of Jersey City agencies and his own state Senate campaign to be paid for with the taxpayers' dollars. Shortly after the June 3 primary election, in an effort to mend fences with Glenn Cunningham and his faction, I reached out and did meet with him. One of the ways I suggested that we could reconcile was for the mayor to end his support and stop using taxpayers' money to fuel the Urban Times. The mayor assured me that this would happen. In fact, the attacks did not end, they escalated, and the characters of good people continued to be assailed as the paper labeled them pedophiles, Mafia and worse. As the attacks continued and the mayor did not withdraw his support of the Urban Times, I went back to Glenn Cunningham and again tried to effect a reconciliation. Shortly after that meeting, the Urban Times attacked me and my family. The fact that Glenn Cunningham has not withdrawn his column and continues to allow the people of Jersey City's money to go towards advertising in the Urban Times is a clear indication that he does not want to reconcile with my colleagues and other community leaders. Leaders take the moral high ground at all times - even when it means distancing yourself from longtime associates who act unscrupulously. I have seen this in my colleagues in Hudson County and Trenton. To expect that we would send anyone less to Trenton would be wrong. BERNARD KENNY, N.J. SENATOR AND CHAIRMAN OF THE HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION Hudson County ***************** End Of Article ****************** What About Joe Barry ? posted Message 1815 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 16:08:57 Subject: Kenny takes the Moral High Ground ? Bernie Kenny - please explain your numerous financial "relationships" with Developer Joe Barry. After you explain that -- THEN START YOUR PREACHING : Leaders take the moral high ground at all times - even when it means distancing yourself from longtime associates who act unscrupulously. I have seen this in my colleagues in Hudson County and Trenton. To expect that we would send anyone less to Trenton would be wrong. : BERNARD KENNY, N.J. SENATOR AND CHAIRMAN OF THE HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION Hudson County ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1816 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 16:43:36 Subject: Cunningham and DeGise dualing letters. Stop with the dualing letters to the JJ and the reporter tonite i'll challenge both Cunningham and DeGise to clear the air next Monday night on air for all of us to hear, cards on the table no holds bared once and for all settle it! the City and County need to move forward lets see who of these two are chicken!!! Plus we have a good show tonite 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1817 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 17:04:14 Subject: Mayor fears Omega 7 impact - Jersey Journal, October 8, 1987 By Agustin Torres ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1818 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 17:16:25 Subject: Re: State Senator Bernard Kenny: Mayor misled me on getting weekly to end its attacks What happened, did you lose the piece of paper with the word "necrophiliac" written on it? I'd like to see -- toot sweet -- exactly where the words "pedophile" or "necrophiliac" were used. Did you show sources to NJN? : Thursday, September 25, 2003 : Letters to the Editor : The Jersey Journal : The "In Our Opinion" column that appeared in the Saturday, Sept. 20 edition of The Jersey Journal calls upon the Hudson County Democratic Party to appoint Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham to the interim 31st District state Senate seat. So long as the cloud of the ELEC laws violations charges hang over his head, it would be wrong to appoint Glenn Cunningham to that position. His appointment would be disrespectful to the people of our county and to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. : In the past few years, Hudson County's reputation has sustained some very bad blows thanks to the illegal behavior of a few of its elected officials. During the recent court proceedings about the June 3 primary election, the improprieties and illegal actions used by Mayor Cunningham's longtime political operatives and campaign funders were made public. Some have said the mayor did not know of the methods being employed on his behalf during his campaign. In his ruling, Judge D'Italia said it would be disingenuous for anyone to think that the mayor did not know what was going on. When Glenn Cunningham was most recently called upon to disassociate himself from these individuals who circumvented the laws of our state, he dismissed the allegations about their tactics as "minutiae." : Many of your readers may not know that the chairman of the mayor's PAC and his election committee is the publisher of the Urban Times. The Urban Times has regularly printed personal attacks on community leaders, families and elected officials who are not Cunningham supporters. They use untrue, inflammatory, vulgar and often racially offensive stories to do so. In spite of this, Mayor Cunningham continues his support for the publication through his continued authorship of a regular editorial column and by allowing a great deal of advertising of City of Jersey City agencies and his own state Senate campaign to be paid for with the taxpayers' dollars. : : Shortly after the June 3 primary election, in an effort to mend fences with Glenn Cunningham and his faction, I reached out and did meet with him. One of the ways I suggested that we could reconcile was for the mayor to end his support and stop using taxpayers' money to fuel the Urban Times. The mayor assured me that this would happen. In fact, the attacks did not end, they escalated, and the characters of good people continued to be assailed as the paper labeled them pedophiles, Mafia and worse. : As the attacks continued and the mayor did not withdraw his support of the Urban Times, I went back to Glenn Cunningham and again tried to effect a reconciliation. Shortly after that meeting, the Urban Times attacked me and my family. The fact that Glenn Cunningham has not withdrawn his column and continues to allow the people of Jersey City's money to go towards advertising in the Urban Times is a clear indication that he does not want to reconcile with my colleagues and other community leaders. : Leaders take the moral high ground at all times - even when it means distancing yourself from longtime associates who act unscrupulously. I have seen this in my colleagues in Hudson County and Trenton. To expect that we would send anyone less to Trenton would be wrong. : BERNARD KENNY, N.J. SENATOR AND CHAIRMAN OF THE HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION Hudson County ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1819 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 17:56:15 Subject: Re: State Senator Bernard Kenny: Mayor misled me on getting weekly to end its attacks Anthony Page 8 Aug 18. the words are not be there anymore. You change the post same as you did with the Glazer post..."my name is "Steve Glazer" you changed it to "Can you guess my name " or something like that. I am not saying you are the one who posts this stuff but there needs to be better screening. The edited post is still bad.............. Look, see. : : Letters to the Editor : : The Jersey Journal : : The "In Our Opinion" column that appeared in the Saturday, Sept. 20 edition of The Jersey Journal calls upon the Hudson County Democratic Party to appoint Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham to the interim 31st District state Senate seat. So long as the cloud of the ELEC laws violations charges hang over his head, it would be wrong to appoint Glenn Cunningham to that position. His appointment would be disrespectful to the people of our county and to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. : : In the past few years, Hudson County's reputation has sustained some very bad blows thanks to the illegal behavior of a few of its elected officials. During the recent court proceedings about the June 3 primary election, the improprieties and illegal actions used by Mayor Cunningham's longtime political operatives and campaign funders were made public. Some have said the mayor did not know of the methods being employed on his behalf during his campaign. In his ruling, Judge D'Italia said it would be disingenuous for anyone to think that the mayor did not know what was going on. When Glenn Cunningham was most recently called upon to disassociate himself from these individuals who circumvented the laws of our state, he dismissed the allegations about their tactics as "minutiae." : : Many of your readers may not know that the chairman of the mayor's PAC and his election committee is the publisher of the Urban Times. The Urban Times has regularly printed personal attacks on community leaders, families and elected officials who are not Cunningham supporters. They use untrue, inflammatory, vulgar and often racially offensive stories to do so. In spite of this, Mayor Cunningham continues his support for the publication through his continued authorship of a regular editorial column and by allowing a great deal of advertising of City of Jersey City agencies and his own state Senate campaign to be paid for with the taxpayers' dollars. : : : : Shortly after the June 3 primary election, in an effort to mend fences with Glenn Cunningham and his faction, I reached out and did meet with him. One of the ways I suggested that we could reconcile was for the mayor to end his support and stop using taxpayers' money to fuel the Urban Times. The mayor assured me that this would happen. In fact, the attacks did not end, they escalated, and the characters of good people continued to be assailed as the paper labeled them pedophiles, Mafia and worse. : : As the attacks continued and the mayor did not withdraw his support of the Urban Times, I went back to Glenn Cunningham and again tried to effect a reconciliation. Shortly after that meeting, the Urban Times attacked me and my family. The fact that Glenn Cunningham has not withdrawn his column and continues to allow the people of Jersey City's money to go towards advertising in the Urban Times is a clear indication that he does not want to reconcile with my colleagues and other community leaders. : : Leaders take the moral high ground at all times - even when it means distancing yourself from longtime associates who act unscrupulously. I have seen this in my colleagues in Hudson County and Trenton. To expect that we would send anyone less to Trenton would be wrong. : : BERNARD KENNY, N.J. SENATOR AND CHAIRMAN OF THE HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION Hudson County ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1820 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 18:56:42 Subject: Re: State Senator Bernard Kenny: Mayor misled me on getting weekly to end its attacks : Anthony Page 8 Aug 18. the words are not be there anymore. : You change the post same as you did with the Glazer post..."my name is "Steve Glazer" you changed it to "Can you guess my name " or something like that. I am not saying you are the one who posts this stuff but there needs to be better screening. The edited post is still bad.............. Look, see. Exactly what post do you mean? There are a large number of posts on that Page. I deleted/edited many posts that charged illegal acts, posts in poor taste, posts placed under the names of other people. I am very sure that I've never seen or removed the words "pedophile" or "necrophiliac" from any posts. In the NJN interview, State Senator Bernard Kenny made a big deal out of those words. (Same in the JJ.) Where did he see them? He should hand out copies! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1821 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 19:15:07 Subject: Re: State Senator Bernard Kenny: Mayor misled me on getting weekly to end its attacks : : Anthony Page 8 Aug 18. the words are not be there anymore. : : You change the post same as you did with the Glazer post..."my name is "Steve Glazer" you changed it to "Can you guess my name " or something like that. I am not saying you are the one who posts this stuff but there needs to be better screening. The edited post is still bad.............. Look, see. : Exactly what post do you mean? There are a large number of posts on that Page. : I deleted/edited many posts that charged illegal acts, posts in poor taste, posts placed under the names of other people. I am very sure that I've never seen or removed the words "pedophile" or "necrophiliac" from any posts. : In the NJN interview, State Senator Bernard Kenny made a big deal out of those words. (Same in the JJ.) Where did he see them? He should hand out copies! I searched for a long time and finally found the Message in the Link below. It's a sophomoric comparison of graveyard voters to sexual practices. The word "necrophiliac" is not used. Senator Bernard Kenny is not mentioned. Governor McGreevey is cited by name in the post. If Bernard Kenny is going to start defending Governor McGreevey's against public opinion, the Senator has a hard row to hoe! I'd figger that he (and the rest of the "McGreevey Team") would have learned by now to put as much space as possible between themselves and James E. And anyhow, what is there in the post that suggests coordination with the Mayor's Office? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Spanky posted Message 1822 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 19:38:54 Subject: Dew yoo meen dooling leters. Why donchu get Bernie Kenny on the air two and splain about ded guys and little boys and where he got that from? OK? : Stop with the dualing letters to the JJ and the reporter tonite i'll challenge both Cunningham and DeGise to clear the air next Monday night on air for all of us to hear, cards on the table no holds bared once and for all settle it! the City and County need to move forward lets see who of these two are chicken!!! Plus we have a good show tonite 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** He Can't Take the Heat posted Message 1823 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 19:40:03 Subject: Federal Grand Jury Has Kenny Paranoid : Thursday, September 25, 2003 : Letters to the Editor : The Jersey Journal : The "In Our Opinion" column that appeared in the Saturday, Sept. 20 edition of The Jersey Journal calls upon the Hudson County Democratic Party to appoint Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham to the interim 31st District state Senate seat. So long as the cloud of the ELEC laws violations charges hang over his head, it would be wrong to appoint Glenn Cunningham to that position. His appointment would be disrespectful to the people of our county and to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. : In the past few years, Hudson County's reputation has sustained some very bad blows thanks to the illegal behavior of a few of its elected officials. During the recent court proceedings about the June 3 primary election, the improprieties and illegal actions used by Mayor Cunningham's longtime political operatives and campaign funders were made public. Some have said the mayor did not know of the methods being employed on his behalf during his campaign. In his ruling, Judge D'Italia said it would be disingenuous for anyone to think that the mayor did not know what was going on. When Glenn Cunningham was most recently called upon to disassociate himself from these individuals who circumvented the laws of our state, he dismissed the allegations about their tactics as "minutiae." : Many of your readers may not know that the chairman of the mayor's PAC and his election committee is the publisher of the Urban Times. The Urban Times has regularly printed personal attacks on community leaders, families and elected officials who are not Cunningham supporters. They use untrue, inflammatory, vulgar and often racially offensive stories to do so. In spite of this, Mayor Cunningham continues his support for the publication through his continued authorship of a regular editorial column and by allowing a great deal of advertising of City of Jersey City agencies and his own state Senate campaign to be paid for with the taxpayers' dollars. : : Shortly after the June 3 primary election, in an effort to mend fences with Glenn Cunningham and his faction, I reached out and did meet with him. One of the ways I suggested that we could reconcile was for the mayor to end his support and stop using taxpayers' money to fuel the Urban Times. The mayor assured me that this would happen. In fact, the attacks did not end, they escalated, and the characters of good people continued to be assailed as the paper labeled them pedophiles, Mafia and worse. : As the attacks continued and the mayor did not withdraw his support of the Urban Times, I went back to Glenn Cunningham and again tried to effect a reconciliation. Shortly after that meeting, the Urban Times attacked me and my family. The fact that Glenn Cunningham has not withdrawn his column and continues to allow the people of Jersey City's money to go towards advertising in the Urban Times is a clear indication that he does not want to reconcile with my colleagues and other community leaders. : Leaders take the moral high ground at all times - even when it means distancing yourself from longtime associates who act unscrupulously. I have seen this in my colleagues in Hudson County and Trenton. To expect that we would send anyone less to Trenton would be wrong. : BERNARD KENNY, N.J. SENATOR AND CHAIRMAN OF THE HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION Hudson County ***************** End Of Article ****************** Guess Who? posted Message 1824 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 19:56:20 Subject: HCDO Should be mad they actually thought only dead people voted The word slander comes to mind when thinking about how the HCDO explains the public outrage over years of abuse and corruption. Basically they steal and rob and expect people to treat them with respect. Perhaps comments about dead folks are more an expression of what they expect from the voters. Last time I check you had to be alive to vote, of course if the HCDO knows otherwise then they should be mad. Since only the living get mad when you steal from them the HCDO should probably check who voted them in. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Twilight Zone posted Message 1825 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 20:05:53 Subject: Kenny creature of the night Kenny is a fool and has little or no right to hold office. But that never stops him does it. Imagine if you will the twilight zone of politicians this is where the Kenny creature lives somewhere between what is known and unknown. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Twilight Zone posted Message 1826 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 20:07:53 Subject: Re: Kenny takes the Moral High Ground ? Kenny couldn't find a leg to stand let alone high ground. : Bernie Kenny - please explain your numerous financial "relationships" with Developer Joe Barry. : After you explain that -- THEN START YOUR PREACHING : : Leaders take the moral high ground at all times - even when it means distancing yourself from longtime associates who act unscrupulously. I have seen this in my colleagues in Hudson County and Trenton. To expect that we would send anyone less to Trenton would be wrong. : : BERNARD KENNY, N.J. SENATOR AND CHAIRMAN OF THE HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION Hudson County ***************** End Of Article ****************** Creature Features posted Message 1827 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 21:13:27 Subject: Kenny's Law Firm Bilks Taxpayers Bernie Kenny's Law Firm is Bilking the Taxpayers of Hoboken and Hudson County out of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in Legal Fees. Kenny submits bills thru his las firm - Sarkisian , Florio & Kenny. In addition Kenny is making a fortune off of Developer Joe Barry. : Kenny is a fool and has little or no right to hold office. But that never stops him does it. Imagine if you will the twilight zone of politicians this is where the Kenny creature lives somewhere between what is known and unknown. ***************** End Of Article ****************** LPS posted Message 1828 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 21:31:03 Subject: Utn bils the Taxpayers Bobby Jackson's Urban Times News is Bilking the Taxpayers of Hoboken Jersey City and Hudson County out of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in Legal ads and public notices. : The paper is not qualified under New Jersey state laws. : In addition Jackson is making a fortune off of Jersey City and Hoboken. : : Jackson is a fool and has little or no right to get tax payers money. But that never stops him does it. Imagine if you will the twilight zone of Jersey City this is where the Jackson creature lives somewhere between what is known and unknown. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BILKS BILKS BILKS BILKS...got it! posted Message 1829 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 29, 2003 at 21:50:02 Subject: Re: Utn bilks the Taxpayers That darn sticky key! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kenny posted Message 1830 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 01:35:34 Subject: BERNIE FIGHT FREEDOM OF SPEECH On "Hudson County Talking Radio Show" on channel 1430AM on Monday nights, host Pat Omelia announced that Senator Bernard Kenny is officially launching complaints against Internet message boards that post rumors about him. Pat said it was ridiculous that Bernard should openly complain, since the internet is free speach, and by complaining Bernard will draw more attention to these rumors. Anyone got any new juicy rumors about Bernard Kenny and the Feds and his alleged corruption? Please post them here! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ohhh please! posted Message 1831 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 08:48:02 Subject: Re: DeGise misuses taxpayer dollars The mayor's letter did not cost the taxpayers anything. The standard practice is that when the tax bills go out the Mayor includes a letter to explain the state of the city and an explaination of where the tax dollars are going. I don't know whether or not you are a homeowner, but if you were you would know that. Tom De Gise's letter was sent to the taxpayers in an attempt to cover up his increases that he conveniently forgot to mention during the election to every taypayer in Jersey City. You do the math...How much do you think that cost us for him to use the county dollars for his own personal reasons (a.k.a. campaigning). Also ask him how much he spent recently to install a shower in the County Executive's office, even Janisewski had enough sense not to waste money on that. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hoo-Aaah posted Message 1832 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 10:09:26 Subject: Bernie's Meltdown Intervention is needed. Necro/Pedo/Feltching. Underage girls, young boys, defenseless little rodents? What has this got to do with the looting of public funds and the public trust? Who said these things? When and where and in what context? This guy's mind is gone. Remove him before he does any real damage. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I Feel Sorry For Roberta posted Message 1833 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 10:31:54 Subject: Pity his Wife What must it be like to live with such a man ? I feel sorry for his wife Roberta - FOR MANY REASONS ! : Intervention is needed. Necro/Pedo/Feltching. Underage girls, young boys, defenseless little rodents? What has this got to do with the looting of public funds and the public trust? Who said these things? When and where and in what context? This guy's mind is gone. Remove him before he does any real damage. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Needs More Than That posted Message 1834 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 10:40:10 Subject: DeGise Needs A Shower LMAO What price vanity ? DeGise installs a shower in his county exec office !!! He needs more than a shower. DeGise should start at the Dentist then head for Plastic Surgeon. In the mean time pick up supply of Brown Paper Bags to cover head. Speaking of head - see Brain doctor also. : The mayor's letter did not cost the taxpayers anything. The standard practice is that when the tax bills go out the : Mayor includes a letter to explain the state of the city and an explaination of where the tax dollars are going. I don't know whether or not you are a homeowner, but if you were you would know that. Tom De Gise's letter was sent to the taxpayers in an attempt to cover up his increases that he conveniently forgot to mention during the election to every taypayer in Jersey City. You do the math...How much do you think that cost us for him to use the county dollars for his own personal reasons (a.k.a. campaigning). Also ask him how much he spent recently to install a shower in the County Executive's office, even Janisewski had enough sense not to waste money on that. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UNOWHO posted Message 1835 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 10:42:43 Subject: SG ....I am warning you...enough! Unless your closet is clean stop this crap. Leave peoples families alone! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1836 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 11:46:01 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! Got a problem with the HCDO fine..But,these personal attacks on innocent people is wrong. And that goes for both sides. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1837 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 13:37:56 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Radio Show of September 29, 2003 An audio recording is now available Online. Please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** MARIA MIGUEL posted Message 1838 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 17:13:30 Subject: CLEANING SERVICE MARIA'S CLEANING SERVICE WE CLEAN YOUR HOME OR OFFICE DO YOUR LAUNDRY ETC. WE ARE RELIABLE PEOPLE. WE ARE A SMALL COMPANY AND ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF LADIES CLEANING SO YOU GET THE BEST SERVICE POSSIBLE. WE ARE HONEST PEOPLE AND HAVE GOOD REFERENCES. WE SPEAK PORTUGUESE AS WELL AS ENGLISH. WE ARE LEGAL IN THE U.S.A. AND JUST WANT TO DO AN HONEST LIVING. WE WILL FURNISH IDENTIFICATION OR A REFERENCE LETTER UPON YOUR REQUEST. WE HAVE GOOD RATES. CALL FOR A FREE ESTIMATE HOME (973)690-5797 CELL (201)841-0112 CELL (973)985-4803 ASK FOR MARIA OR ALBERTO ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1839 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 17:17:43 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board Welcome to the Message Board ***************** End Of Article ****************** Julio Churchs posted Message 1840 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 18:23:26 Subject: Lives in danger People not directly involved are in danger and may be placed in more harm if careful consideration is not given to what we say. Now a public official that has for years stolen is fair game. The family of the crooked politician is not unless that person is also involved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** are you the same posted Message 1841 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 18:49:28 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! : Unless your closet is clean stop this crap. : Leave peoples families alone! as chelsa ***************** End Of Article ****************** are you the same posted Message 1842 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 18:50:13 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! : Got a problem with the HCDO fine..But,these personal attacks on innocent people is wrong. And that goes for both sides. as unowho ***************** End Of Article ****************** OK posted Message 1843 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 18:52:44 Subject: Re: Lives in danger : People not directly involved are in danger and may be placed in more harm if careful consideration is not given to what we say. Now a public official that has for years stolen is fair game. The family of the crooked politician is not unless that person is also involved. But that was not unowho ***************** End Of Article ****************** He Does Not know Where to Look for it posted Message 1844 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 18:54:55 Subject: Re: Kenny takes the Moral High Ground ? : Explain your recent behavior, if you can. Bernie Kenny - please explain your numerous financial "relationships" with Developer Joe Barry. : After you explain that -- THEN START YOUR PREACHING : : Leaders take the moral high ground at all times - even when it means distancing yourself from longtime associates who act unscrupulously. I have seen this in my colleagues in Hudson County and Trenton. To expect that we would send anyone less to Trenton would be wrong. : : BERNARD KENNY, N.J. SENATOR AND CHAIRMAN OF THE HUDSON COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION Hudson County ***************** End Of Article ****************** unowho=:) posted Message 1845 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 19:32:48 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! Nope! I am me and you are you and she is she! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Catrillo For County Executive posted Message 1846 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 19:40:44 Subject: Catrillo on the Issues Catrillo On Corruption and Taxes ***************** End Of Article ****************** lmao posted Message 1847 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 19:47:33 Subject: Re: Catrillo on the Issues Catrillo on the issues. Charlie your issues have issues! ***************** End Of Article ****************** wow look at that posted Message 1848 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 19:49:48 Subject: Re: Utn bils the Taxpayers The scary thing about this is all you had to do was change the name and the story is the same...both are crooks. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Democrats for Hudson County posted Message 1849 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 20:01:05 Subject: “Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court” “Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court” ***************** End Of Article ****************** Protect our Safety posted Message 1850 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 22:48:01 Subject: Terrorist are probing power grid and facilities http://enterprise.southofboston.com/display/inn_news/News/news01.txt Although this is not the proper place to post this please take note that our power facilities have been probed and are being probed by terrorist. We must suspend political in fighting to secure our nation against threats from outside. Please ask the elected officials to preform on a level that will at least insure our safety. The Italian Blackout was of a similar nature to the one we recently experienced which was not caused by trees in OHIO. So pleas elected officials make sure that efforts are doubled to protect our safety. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Inquiring Mind posted Message 1851 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 23:30:50 Subject: Re: Catrillo on the Issues : Catrillo On Corruption and Taxes How does Mr. Catrillo feel about forgery? In particular forging nominating petitions. More particuarly Rafael Frugela's nominating petitions. Also what kind of mascara does he use? ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1852 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 23:36:30 Subject: Re: Catrillo on the Issues Cover girl...the same he uses on his brows ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stop the presses posted Message 1853 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : September 30, 2003 at 23:38:17 Subject: Re: “Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court” Isn't this the same person Bobby Jackson makes fun of in the Urban Times News. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Politico posted Message 1854 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 00:11:21 Subject: 33rd District. Kenny a loser? Kenny should stop wining and do something for his district. He is a soldier of fortunes and has been with everyone who is on top. He is a non-entity and depends on the likes of Menendez, Roberts and Russo before that in order to keep his seat. He has never had any real opposition and has always gotten away easy, however this is not the case this time around , FRAGUELA is now giving him some real competition and he will go down along with many other DEMS. This is a mid- term election and McGreddy's popularity is at an all time low and the people of NJ, and those of us who are DEMS and really care for our Cities in Hudson County will send a clear message and support the REPUBLICANS in NOVEMBER, The main reason why we will be supporting REPUBLICANS is because the DEMS have failed all the minorities and have taken us for granted and we must send them a wake up call, by letting them know that we will not be used any longer. Hudson County is a vivid example of taxation with out representation,especially when it comes to LATINOS and other minorities. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and don't be fool by the same old POLITICIANS and their idle promises. It happened in 1984 when we sent REPUBLICANS to Trenton to REPRESENT the 33rd District, let us do it again and send FRAGUELA, Di NARDO & MUNOZ to TRENTON and rid ourselves of the likes of Kenny, Stackkk and Sires for they have lost touch with the people and are now owned by and in the pockets of the DEVELOPERS of HOBOKEN, UNION CITY & WEST NEW YORK. BASTA YA my Friends and say NO to The DEMS in NORTH HUDSON. The only DEM that should be supported is Mayor Glenn Cunningham and has been the only one in the COUNTY with the Testical Fortitute to stand up to the old MENENDEZ GUARD & their Machine politics. Remember Kenny could wine all he wants to, but he has a lot of explaining to do. He should first tell the voters about his visits to the FEDS in Newark and his target letter , then he should tell us about his affiliations with BARRY, LISA and RUSSO in the Past. Then he could tell us about his involvement with some FEDERAL FUNDS that were misused stolen or wasted, As you could see he has plenty of reasons to complain & try to censored the people's opinions. But the truth will come out soon and he will be defeated in NOVEMBER as he has never done an honest day of work in his adult life. He has always been riding the GRAVY TRAIN with the rest of the CORRUPTED DEMS in HUDSON. So come out NOVEMBER 4th -VOTE REPUBLICAN and SUPPORT the Column B Candidates in the 33rd Legislative Districts. Go FRAGUELA, Di NARDO & MUNOZ, and vote for the Cunigham Team and reformed democrats. FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE CHOSEN FEW. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Same PersonFukkenA posted Message 1855 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 00:18:07 Subject: Re: “Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court” This is the same lady with all the motor vehicle problems and is an accomplice to the Jersey City Medical Center. Who is better than Zulima, Black Cuban lady. FukkenA C : Isn't this the same person Bobby Jackson makes fun of in the Urban Times News. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Benni Hanna posted Message 1856 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 00:22:36 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! I love this 60s and 70s crap. Wait don't tell me. You are the Walrus, right? Coo Coo ca choo. Just one thing, tho. How many of you are there? : Nope! I am me and you are you and she is she! ***************** End Of Article ****************** TTM posted Message 1857 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 00:24:27 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! I love when you talk dirty to me. Say the part I love to hear. : Got a problem with the HCDO fine..But,these personal attacks on innocent people is wrong. And that goes for both sides. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woe Woe is me Joe D posted Message 1858 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 03:15:15 Subject: In Reply To Joe Doria's JJ Letter To The Editor After the Municipal election in Bayonne in 2002 when Melba Walsh won the machine vote only to lose by 17 questionable absentee ballots to Joe Doria's candidate for the city council. She put her horse back in the stable to rest him for the next race, so why is that Joe Doria is still beating the hell out of his dead one!!!!! Off to the Glue Factory ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens, The Urban Times News posted Message 1859 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 04:54:40 Subject: INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP By Jay Stevens--email: jstevens@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** ttm posted Message 1860 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 08:52:56 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! LMFAO ***************** End Of Article ****************** Intellectual Predator posted Message 1861 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 09:07:42 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! What the hell are you moaning about you idiot? This can be no other then Jersey City's Steve Glazer. The Urban Times News # 1 idiot. Hey Steve, been on any chat rooms lately. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Boy George posted Message 1862 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 10:01:44 Subject: You look Marvelous !!! You don't have a brain in your head Charlie. And you're a political HO. But you look marvelous. Just one suggestion though. You need a little more makeup for the perfect look. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Timothy Leary posted Message 1863 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 10:04:46 Subject: The Brown Acid Politico .. you gotta stop taking that brown acid. It's gonna freak you out. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mayor Man-iac posted Message 1864 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 10:07:20 Subject: Kiss of Death With Glenn's backing, Farber is doomed. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tidy Cat posted Message 1865 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 10:31:51 Subject: Hudson County's Best The UTN ... Hudson County's best litter pan liner. All that it's good for. ***************** End Of Article ****************** TTM posted Message 1866 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 10:41:51 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! .............and what part is that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Menendez DESTROYED Doria posted Message 1867 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 10:48:30 Subject: Face It Joe - YOU LOST Boss Bobalou is the downfall of Joe D. : After the Municipal election in Bayonne in 2002 when Melba Walsh won the machine vote only to lose by 17 questionable absentee ballots to Joe Doria's candidate for the city council. She put her horse back in the stable to rest him for the next race, so why is that Joe Doria is still beating the hell out of his dead one!!!!! Off to the Glue Factory ***************** End Of Article ****************** Obladi Oblada posted Message 1868 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 11:36:12 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! Desmond has a barrow in the market place Molly is the singer in a band Desmond says to Molly-girl I like your face And Molly says this as she takes him by the hand. Obladi oblada life goes on bra Lala how the life goes on Obladi Oblada life goes on bra Lala how the life goes on. Desmond takes a trolly to the jewellers store Buys a twenty carat golden ring Takes it back to Molly waiting at the door And as he gives it to her she begins to sing. In a couple of years they have built A home sweet home With a couple of kids running in the yard Of Desmond and Molly Jones. Happy ever after in the market place Molly lets the children lend a hand Desmond stays -at-home and does his pretty face And in the evening she's a singer with the band. And if you want some fun-take Obladi Oblada. ***************** End Of Article ****************** TTm posted Message 1869 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 18:30:23 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! : .............and what part is that? ...............the good part ***************** End Of Article ****************** SpoonELuv posted Message 1870 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 18:33:36 Subject: Ayala Scarinci/Menendez mole operative. This guy's gotta go. NOW ***************** End Of Article ****************** ?????????????????????????????? posted Message 1871 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 18:46:26 Subject: Re: Ayala Please explain we all want to know. ***************** End Of Article ****************** tTm posted Message 1872 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 18:48:15 Subject: Re: SG ....I am warning you...enough! : : .............and what part is that? : ...............the good part :................which part? ***************** End Of Article ****************** SpoonELuv posted Message 1873 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 21:12:57 Subject: Re: Ayala ***what would you do? : Please explain we all want to know. If you wanted to sabotage an organization what better way than to put this guy in the middle of it in a position of influence. If you think about it, who is he and where did he come from and what is he qualified to do? what experience does he have? what credentials does he have? why is he there? You gotta be kidding me. ***************** End Of Article ****************** politico posted Message 1874 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 23:15:01 Subject: Re: The Brown Acid Yeah every time I have to pay my taxes because of the corruption I do freak out ***************** End Of Article ****************** Something Not Right ! posted Message 1875 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 01, 2003 at 23:22:49 Subject: Re: Ayala ***what would you do? I agree ..... there is something not right with the Ayala picture. : : Please explain we all want to know. : If you wanted to sabotage an organization what better way than to put this guy in the middle of it in a position of influence. : If you think about it, who is he and where did he come from and what is he qualified to do? what experience does he have? what credentials does he have? why is he there? You gotta be kidding me. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Elect Charles Catrillo for Hudson County Executive posted Message 1876 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 02, 2003 at 09:07:46 Subject: About Charles Catrillo Elect Charles Catrillo for Hudson County Executive ***************** End Of Article ****************** Charles Catrillo for Hudson County Executive posted Message 1877 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 02, 2003 at 14:59:04 Subject: Online Video: Catrillo for County Executive To view the Online video, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ?????? posted Message 1878 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 02, 2003 at 18:03:05 Subject: A question for Mr.(sic)Steven Glazer Just saw the link to your picture. Is that a pimple on your nose or are you just happy to see us? ***************** End Of Article ****************** !! posted Message 1879 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 02, 2003 at 22:45:28 Subject: Re: A question for Mr.(sic)Steven Glazer Where is your top lip? : Just saw the link to your picture. : Is that a pimple on your nose or are you just happy to see us? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Daniel Sicardi posted Message 1880 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 03, 2003 at 12:26:10 Subject: Cunningham and Deguise Cunningham and Deguise have been fighting since both have run against each other. Cunningham has done more for all of Jersey City than his predecessor. Deguise is not as corrupt as his predecessor. However, I am not willing to continue accepting the opinion from the Urban Times that Cunningham is the new Messiah. A lot of the people that have been placed in positions of responsibility in JERSEY CITY BY HIM are not doing a good job. People like (DPW)Joe DeSousa and Richie Frieda are ripping off the Taxpayers of Jersey City. Ron Buonocore and Betty Outlaw do not rate the salary or merit the responsibility of being heads of departments like DPW. All I know is that they are not doing a good job. I can document these shortcomings! In regards to the County, A lot of schools that are located on Kennedy Boulevard do not have the required painted street markings. We do have a bridge across the Boulevard that cost $6 million bucks. It goes from Saint Peter's College to Saint Peter's College. Annual maintenance of the Bridge has not been worked out. But you know who is going to get stuck with the bill! I don't care if the State gave Jersey City or the County the money to build the bridge. The money could have been used for many other things that would have been more usefull! Some Schools that need painted markings are in Greenville. Some are in Ward B, and some are in the heights. Who is supposed to do it. We pay for it to be done. I would be more likely to give Tom DeGuise the benefit of the doubt if I saw some activity by the county over this issue! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Spelling posted Message 1881 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 03, 2003 at 12:28:38 Subject: Re: Cunningham and DeGise dualing letters. If you are going to take the time to post, take the time to spell correctly the words of your post Duel Dueling ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sorry Steve, but I couldn't resist. posted Message 1882 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 03, 2003 at 15:40:23 Subject: Re: A question for Mr.(sic)Steven Glazer My turn... :Your chest hair is all grey but the hair on top of your hair has no greys..A fashion no- no. Didn't you see last weeks episode of Sex in the city? :Your shirt looks like it's from Chess-King so either to update the closet or update the picture. :The side-burns... very Eddie Munster. : Where is your top lip? : : Just saw the link to your picture. : : Is that a pimple on your nose or are you just happy to see us? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Miss Crabtree posted Message 1883 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 03, 2003 at 22:10:32 Subject: Document this. It's DeGise .. not Deguise. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Captain America posted Message 1884 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 03, 2003 at 22:24:01 Subject: THANK YOU ANTHONY !!! Thank you Mr. Olszewski for bringing us the Adventures of Mayor Man online. You have done a great service to the community. Now all the little children will know the difference between right and wrong, with a true hero to emulate like Mayor Man. Thank you Anthony. You are a great American !! By the way, if you believe I'm Captain America or that any of the words I've just posted are sincere, then Gene Drayton is Santa Claus. Doesn't Mayor Man sorta look like Blacula ? Love that Greg Malave. Jersey City's Picasso. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ROTFLMFHO posted Message 1885 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 03, 2003 at 23:16:11 Subject: Re: THANK YOU ANTHONY !!! Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Trick Dacy posted Message 1886 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 04, 2003 at 04:36:21 Subject: Upcoming adventures of Mayor-Man Just think of all the nefarious characters just waiting to be featured in upcoming adventures of Mayor-Man: Tom "Laurel" Degise and Bob "Hardy" Menendez, Javier "Baghdad" Inclan, Bernie "Webophobia" Kenny, and Fat Joe! ***************** End Of Article ****************** ROWAN MARTIN posted Message 1887 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 04, 2003 at 17:05:52 Subject: Week 2 of Mayor-man Mayor-Man spotted over 101 Hudson. Falcons trying to attack Mayor-Man Stay tuned! MONDAY: Lady One raises Cunningham's star-shaped marshal's badge above her head, triggering as a powerful bolt of energy. Blinding the baby falcon.This is not good.. P.I.T.A. spotted coming down Washington Blvd. Wait I can't believe my eyes. Mother falcon swoops down picks up Lady-One and was last spotted over in Fort Lee and was heard screaming "MAYOR-MAN HELP". Wednesday: Mel Cuccitucci, who lives in a high-rise building that sits on the banks of the Hudson River in Edgewater, heard a thud at his terrace door.Going to investigate, he found what he described as "a very tired if somewhat woozy Mayor-Man" sitting on the astroturf floor of his terrace. For Mr. Cuccitucci, it was a scary sight. The Mayor-Man, regarded him quite calmly as he grabbed the phone to call the local police and picked up his camera to take a picture.. The police could not reach Lady-One because of the council meeting, so they decided to see if the Mayor-Man would recover on its own from its encounter with plate glass. Mayor-Man was charged with tresspassing and is due to appear in court at a latter date. THURSDAY We have received a Mayor-Man sighting from Jersey City. A viewer who works in a nearby office building was reading the Breaking News update when she noticed Mayor-Man sitting on top of one of the towers of 101 Hudson Street. As she watched, three falcons, which the viewer described as "circling and shrieking," took off after what she described as the Mayor-Man We can only guess at the exact scenario, but it would appear that three juveniles were chasing after the Mayor-Man, possibly the female, in an attempt to cadge a meal was seen pecking at Lady-One. Although the young birds are probably Republicans, they are opportunistic and certainly not above flipping if the prospect of a meal presents itself. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Good Bye Jersey City Hello Florida posted Message 1888 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 10:15:57 Subject: Myopic Mayor and the Decaying value of Jersey City The decaying value of Jersey City Real Estate is happening with no one watching the helm of the ship. At the current time Jersey City enjoys a close relationship from a geographic perspective to the Financial District of Manhattan basically providing an affordable place to put back office operations. This advantage is based on the centralized structure of the Securities Processing Regime currently used by the industry, which is a security risk because it allows for a single point of failure. DTCC/NSCC, which is located at 55 Water Street, is the crucible of this industry and is planning to move to Florida by 2005. If the Jersey City Government where not so interested in pay offs they would realize that the ground they stand on is eroding under their feet and placing in jeopardy the critical economic stimulus the geographic location to DTCC has added. The question is why Jersey City does not see the inter-relationship of Manhattan to Jersey City, well the answer is they are to stupid to see beyond their own noses and they are racist in a sense because they see commercial development as something to take a bribe from rather than promote. So the Mayor needs to address this issue and it will require a steady effort with no quick buck pay off for his buddies and that also applies to the HCDO as well. The best means of achieving this effort to move DTCC to Jersey City to give them what they want and that can be achieved by separate county status and not putting your hands out for a bribe. ***************** End Of Article ****************** That's Not What You Said posted Message 1889 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 10:24:50 Subject: Re: ?Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court? : ?Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court? You Said Zulima Farber should be on the Supreme Court ***************** End Of Article ****************** Unsay What you Said posted Message 1890 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 10:26:51 Subject: Re: ?Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court? : ?Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court? OOPS. Who Said That? Who Unsaid That? It unhappened. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Say What? posted Message 1891 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 10:27:52 Subject: Re: ?Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court? : ?Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court? Say Who? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Say What? posted Message 1892 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 10:29:33 Subject: Re: ?Hispanics Need a Voice on Supreme Court? : This is the same lady with all the motor vehicle problems and is an accomplice to the Jersey City Medical Center. Who is better than Zulima, Black Cuban lady. : C : : : Isn't this the same person Bobby Jackson makes fun of in the Urban Times News. Say Who Said that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Medusa, The Gorgon posted Message 1893 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 10:40:07 Subject: Fate of the coming tide A single point of failure froma design standpoint is not acceptable. This also holds true with political subdivisions of which Hudson County is one. The County has failed the residents of Jersey City and taken much to much to worth a continued relationship. As this relationship is one abuse of power the Mayor should start an effort to discontinue the Hudson County and Jersey City franchise. Jersey City needs to be another county so it will be free to move quickly to capitalize on the changing enviroment. While Hudson County has failed due in no small part to the corruption of the HCDO and the corrupt State Government Jersey City must also realize that many of its advances in the past have been a lucky mistake. The requires a smart government that acts with the best intentions of the population. At the current time we have stupid greedy people who never consider anyone but themselves. It is clear Hudson County holds nothing for Jersey City, but he question remains can the Jersey City Government get over their racism and act for the benefit of all the people not for their friends and business buddies. ***************** End Of Article ****************** El Poocho posted Message 1894 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 15:23:08 Subject: Re: You look Marvelous !!! What a pity, all that Catrillo's opponents can do is bash his good looks! Why not take a look at his resume and compare it to DeGise, then talk!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Joey G posted Message 1895 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 05, 2003 at 15:32:38 Subject: Re: Catrillo on the Issues It is pretty sad that if the worst thing you can say about a candidate is that he looks good! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Papi Chulo posted Message 1896 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 06, 2003 at 09:52:23 Subject: Here's the windup--The pitch--Here it comes!!! Saturday, October 4, 2003 at 09:56:03 Handle: TREMINATOR II Comments: EXTRE, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT !!!! Accorrding to well informed sources there are two seal indictments for Hudson County and are about to be released. It is the opinion of some well informed sources that within the next 5 to 10 days the indictments will be made PUBLIC and it is the word out there amongst Hudson County Politicians that both recipients are from the HOBOKEN political circle. It was learned by our sources that J.Barry and Bernie Kenny are on the very short list of those who will be getting HIT with said indictments. This has made all the corrupted DEMS very nervous and they are running around trying to seek refuge and trying to cover their ASSES. The word is that there is some kind of POW-WOW this week-end trying to figure out how to Save the upcoming ELECTION and trying to figure out what type of DAMAGE CONTROL to use in other to save themselves. WE told you before that the "So -Called" Senator from HOBOKEN had a lot explaining to do as to his relationship with the likes of RUSSO, BARRY & LISA, that he should stop whinning and step aside as he is as corrupted as those who have recently being indictated. We guess the TARGET LETTER was for real and more will come before the NOVEMBER 4 ELECTION. WAKE UP HUDSON COUNTY and SAY NO to the CORRUPTION filled HCDO. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH when is HUDSON going to STOP being the BUT of ALL JOKES and THE HOME of the CORRUPTED POLITICIANS ?????? Maybe SIRES will be NEXT after the RENE ABREU FIASCO and the cutting of a DEAL to SAVE his LOVELY WIFE, Let us wait and see. Only CHRISTIE knows who will be next and we know that he is HUNGRY and he is not going to wait much longer as he said "CORRUPTION is not only WIDE but DEEP in HUDSON COUNTY" SHOW ME THE MONEY CHRISTIE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GARY NUE posted Message 1897 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 06, 2003 at 10:16:06 Subject: Re: Here's the windup--The pitch--Here it comes!!! : Saturday, October 4, 2003 at 09:56:03 : Handle: TREMINATOR II : Comments: EXTRE, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT !!!! Accorrding to well informed sources there are two seal indictments for Hudson County and are about to be released. It is the opinion of some well informed sources that within the next 5 to 10 days the indictments will be made PUBLIC and it is the word out there amongst Hudson County Politicians that both recipients are from the JERSEY CITY. It was learned by our sources that BOBBY JACKSON and JOE CARDWELL are on the very short list of those who will be getting HIT with said indictments. This has made all the corrupted DEMS very nervous and they are running around trying to seek refuge and trying to cover their ASSES. The word is that there is some kind of POW-WOW this week-end trying to figure out how to Save the upcoming ELECTION and trying to figure out what type of DAMAGE CONTROL to use in other to save themselves. WE told you before that the "So -Called" Senator to be from JERSEY CITY had a lot explaining to do as to his relationship with the likes of RUSSO,JACKSON, CARDWELL, McCANN AND WEBSTER that he should stop whinning and step aside as he is as corrupted as those who have recently being indictated. We guess the TARGET LETTER was for real and more will come before the NOVEMBER 4 ELECTION. WAKE UP HUDSON COUNTY and SAY NO to the CORRUPTION filled CITY HALL ENOUGH IS ENOUGH when is HUDSON going to STOP being the BUT of ALL JOKES and THE HOME of the CORRUPTED POLITICIANS ?????? see. Only CHRISTIE knows who will be next and we know that he is HUNGRY and he is not going to wait much longer as he said "CORRUPTION is not only WIDE but DEEP in HUDSON COUNTY" SHOW ME THE MONEY CHRISTIE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1898 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 06, 2003 at 14:29:06 Subject: The Adventures of Mayor-Man To read the comic Online, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** By Jay Stevens, The Urban Times News posted Message 1899 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 06, 2003 at 17:43:59 Subject: INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP jstevens@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 1900 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 06, 2003 at 23:43:20 Subject: You can't make this stuff up (sic) A resolution was presented at tonite's City Council Caucus meeting to hire a consultant to work on the City website. It would appear that a decision has been made that current "webmaster" Martin Jackson can't do the job. If so, what will Martin now be doing for his $55K per year ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mayor Man-iac posted Message 1901 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 06, 2003 at 23:51:26 Subject: HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY !!! It appears there is a calamity at City Hall !! Poor little Martin Jackson can't handle the City website AND the delivery of his litter liners (I mean "newspapers") anymore. Those nasty UTN slave drivers are driving the poor boy silly. But I, Mayor Man-iac will come to the rescue. I will fly in a consultant (for a mere $25K) to save the day. Then we can all live happily ever after. And little Martin can still keep his $55K per year. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jayson posted Message 1902 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 06:41:52 Subject: Re: You can't make this stuff up (sic) : A resolution was presented at tonite's City Council Caucus meeting to hire a consultant to work on the City website. : It would appear that a decision has been made that current "webmaster" Martin Jackson can't do the job. : If so, what will Martin now be doing for his $55K per year ? Wanna bet it will Anthony. A little payback for allowing his site to be a UTN launching pad. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1903 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 07:29:29 Subject: Re: You can't make this stuff up (sic) That would be classic. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 1904 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 11:43:04 Subject: SILENCE IS LETHAL-“GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER” cont. sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1905 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 12:31:20 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Radio Show - Last Night's Show Is Posted Online To access the Online audio, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rem and Stempy posted Message 1906 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 14:07:45 Subject: Oh Happy-Happy-Joy-Joy Happy days are here again.....la la la la la la la la ***************** End Of Article ****************** XMAN posted Message 1907 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 16:59:25 Subject: Pat Omelia a Sell Out! Mr. Omelia, you sell yourself to the best bidder. I was listening to your show and it is just a modern and expensive way of kissing axx at the 90's style. You are not objective! When talking about the candidates for freeholder you did not even mentioned Carl Zaplinsky. What they are going to close you show if you mention a republican candidate? Or are you going to lose you job? You give the victory to Stack a prepotent and corrupt mayor who recently told the anglos during the Union City First Meeting to pack their bags and leave town if they did not like his policies. Mr. Omelia you show is like the UTN, a front for the HCDO. Shame on you! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Njman posted Message 1908 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 17:11:01 Subject: Omelia should concentrate on issues Here's a chance for that Hudson County radion program to step out of the Political Gossip world, and to start takling on some seriousissues important to us as a society. Who cares about who's posters have glue, or staples? What does it matter? Nada. But listen.Over 73% of Black children born in Hudson County are born out of wedlock. Young women are becoming grandmothers in their early 30's.This placed such an enormous strain on our Black population and on our society in general. Discuss something of substance. It's such a privledge to have that air time. Why waste it on who putstoo much brerad crumbs in their meatballs? and please stop kissing axx ***************** End Of Article ****************** RINO posted Message 1909 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 17:17:46 Subject: Re: Pat Omelia a Sell Out! How much O'melia gets paid for his radio show? He does really kiss azz ***************** End Of Article ****************** Arnold posted Message 1910 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 07, 2003 at 23:17:57 Subject: Re: Pat Omelia a Sell Out! Pat O'melia can put together a "how-to kiss a**" book ! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1911 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 00:05:13 Subject: Re: Pat Omelia a Sell Out! Could you imagine.....the poor azz that gets kissed by Pat. ***************** End Of Article ****************** SpooELuv posted Message 1912 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 00:15:45 Subject: Re: Pat Omelia a Sell Out! All of the Above! : Could you imagine.....the poor azz that gets kissed by Pat. All of the above. Listen to Pat's show! ***************** End Of Article ****************** SpoonELuv posted Message 1913 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 00:18:50 Subject: Re: A question for Mr.(sic)Steven Glazer-All of the Above : My turn... : :Your chest hair is all grey but the hair on top of your hair has no greys..A fashion no- no. Didn't you see last weeks episode of Sex in the city? : :Your shirt looks like it's from Chess-King so either to update the closet or update the picture. : :The side-burns... very Eddie Munster. : : : Where is your top lip? : : : Just saw the link to your picture. : : : Is that a pimple on your nose or are you just happy to see us? Could we see a picture of you now? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Catrillo For County Executive posted Message 1914 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 03:55:54 Subject: Catrillo For County Executive -- Experience catrillo ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tell the truth posted Message 1915 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 08:27:13 Subject: Democrats are Communist While it maybe politically unpopular to state that the Democratic Party is the party of Karl Marx the truth is the truth. Even the Mayor is a Socialist of some flavor. So at the core of problem with Jersey City, Hudson County, the State, and the Nation is the inlfuence the Dialectic of Marx has had on our society. The belief that no ones property, labor, and effort belong to them, but rather belongs to the state is false. It should be clearly stated that the Democratic Party is he party of Marx a party of slaves not one that a free person would choose if properly educated. Also Democrats are uneducated Socialist Drones. The amount of political corruption Hudson County has can only be replicated in a police state. I would expect the use of the police for political objective is common. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1916 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 09:33:47 Subject: Re: Pat Omelia a Sell Out! All of the Above! Why should we listen? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1917 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 09:35:22 Subject: Re: A question for Mr.(sic)Steven Glazer-All of the Above You first. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chelsa posted Message 1918 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 10:20:04 Subject: Re: Pat Omelia a Sell Out! All of the Above! I just did. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand? ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1919 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 10:30:50 Subject: Sell out? Just tell me to who i sold out too. someone owes me some money i guess? Just give me that persons name i'll go collect!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1920 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 10:56:24 Subject: I'm in TOO! : Just tell me to who i sold out too. someone owes me some money i guess? Just give me that persons name i'll go collect!!!! I'm always hearing that I sold out. Let me know where the're buying! ***************** End Of Article ****************** boycout posted Message 1921 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 10:57:13 Subject: Re: Sell out? Pat O'melia is a comunist... boycout his show! Stop the HCDO azz kissers. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mayorman posted Message 1922 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 11:00:02 Subject: Cunnigham dont like Pat Cunnigham does not let Pat kiss his azz! Pat's lips are contaminated with caca from Menendez azz. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pat posted Message 1923 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 11:02:43 Subject: Pat and Doria Perfect together Pat O'melia and Joe Doria are getting married!!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Carlton McGerk posted Message 1924 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 11:19:18 Subject: Web Site by Committee Watched the Council Caucus on TV last nite. When McGee was questioned why the City web site was in its sorry state he replied that it was not Martin Jackson's fault. The reason, because the City had a web site by committee. He didn't tell anyone who the members of this committe were. The truth is, Martin Jackson is the sole reason for the City's pathetic excuse for a website. McGee claims that Jackson has been busy with many other projects and hasn't been able to give the web site his full attention. That is the reason he wants to hire a consultant. Baloney !!! Martin Jackson has a no show job. He runs errands for the Mayor, he delivers the UTN, he goofs off. He spends practically no time on the web site and it shows. ***************** End Of Article ****************** tell the thruth posted Message 1925 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 11:25:59 Subject: Pat a comunist! Pat O'Melia stop preaching Comunism on your radio show ***************** End Of Article ****************** oh vey posted Message 1926 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 12:19:15 Subject: LEARN how to spell : Pat O'Melia stop preaching Comunism on your radio show ***************** End Of Article ****************** hatepat posted Message 1927 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 12:52:29 Subject: Pat is a C-O-M-M-U-N-I-S-T Pat is now going to teach people in Jersey City how to spell ***************** End Of Article ****************** hatepat posted Message 1928 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 12:57:05 Subject: Is Pat a homo Is Pat a homo ***************** End Of Article ****************** Go To Bed Matthew posted Message 1929 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 15:28:17 Subject: Ask His Lover Matthew : : Is Pat a homo ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1930 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 15:44:16 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Extra , Extra Read All About It posted Message 1931 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 19:15:26 Subject: News Update - A MUST READ EXTRA , EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT !!!! According to well informed sources there are two sealed indictments for Hudson County and they are about to be released. VERY VERY SOON. It is the opinion of some well informed sources that within the next few days the indictments will be made PUBLIC and it is the word out there amongst Hudson County Politicians that both recipients are from the HOBOKEN political circle. It was learned by our sources that Developer Joe Barry and HCDO Chairman/ Senator Bernie Kenny are on the very short list of those who will be getting HIT with said indictments. This has made all the corrupted DEMS very nervous and they are running around trying to seek refuge and trying to cover their ASSES. The word is on this past Tuesday the HCDO had a big POW-WOW at the offices of the Hudson County Executive. The heavy weights were in attendance including Menendez, Rothman and other Democratic Officials who all met to coordinate how to Save the upcoming ELECTION and discussing what type of DAMAGE CONTROL to use in other to save themselves. Strangely missing was Hudson County Democratic Chairman and State Senator Bernie Kenny. Perhaps Kenny had more "pressing matters" to discuss regarding his legal defense. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 1932 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 08, 2003 at 21:56:33 Subject: Re: Democrats are Communist ::Sad but pretty true commentary. With increasing government handouts & a class willing to take those handouts, in one aspect, we move further from the ambition, drive & pride that created this democracy. Yet we have a class that still exhibits these traits. Can we survive? : While it maybe politically unpopular to state that the Democratic Party is the party of Karl Marx the truth is the truth. Even the Mayor is a Socialist of some flavor. So at the core of problem with Jersey City, Hudson County, the State, and the Nation is the inlfuence the Dialectic of Marx has had on our society. The belief that no ones property, labor, and effort belong to them, but rather belongs to the state is false. It should be clearly stated that the Democratic Party is he party of Marx a party of slaves not one that a free person would choose if properly educated. Also Democrats are uneducated Socialist Drones. The amount of political corruption Hudson County has can only be replicated in a police state. I would expect the use of the police for political objective is common. ***************** End Of Article ****************** jj posted Message 1933 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 00:23:38 Subject: Hurray to Cunnigham The real democrat! Viva mayor man ***************** End Of Article ****************** Union City posted Message 1934 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 00:34:50 Subject: Brian tell anglos OUT! During the dinner for the hispanic parade. Mayor Brian Stack in front of 300 people stated: "Anyone that does not like my policies, specially the anglos, can pack their bags and move out! ***************** End Of Article ****************** puff the magic dragon posted Message 1935 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 00:35:20 Subject: Re: Hurray to Cunnigham Mayor Man been smoking the wackie weed ***************** End Of Article ****************** puff posted Message 1936 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 00:36:40 Subject: Re: Brian tell anglos OUT! That's strange...I was there and that wasn't said. Maybe you were in the twilight zone ***************** End Of Article ****************** LAVACITY.COM posted Message 1937 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 11:33:47 Subject: Speak Your Mind at Lavacity.com Forums Elections are coming! Speak your mind and shout about your local governments: Edgewater, Guttenberg, North Bergen, Union City, Weehawken and West New York. Post your thoughts and opinions on LAVACITY.COM Forums now! ***************** End Of Article ****************** juju posted Message 1938 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 12:23:27 Subject: Re: Brian tell anglos OUT! Well how was it said! He stated "If people dont like my policies ( after a group of anglo protested for the change of the name of one of the historical park of union city after a famous hispanic) they can move out of union city, I have no place for them. : That's strange...I was there and that wasn't said. : Maybe you were in the twilight zone ***************** End Of Article ****************** unioncityman posted Message 1939 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 12:24:15 Subject: Re: Brian tell anglos OUT! I was there, he said it!!! : Well how was it said! He stated "If people dont like my policies ( after a group of anglo protested for the change of the name of one of the historical park of union city after a famous hispanic) they can move out of union city, I have no place for them. : : That's strange...I was there and that wasn't said. : : Maybe you were in the twilight zone ***************** End Of Article ****************** SpoonELuv posted Message 1940 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 12:40:03 Subject: Mosh Pit is it true that pat and earl morgan are gay lovers why all the pat bashing...what did he ever do If you dont like him dont listen to him by the way, I heard that him and earl met in a west village leather bar a couple of weekends ago and earl is hopelessly in love now and pat is afraid of commitment ***************** End Of Article ****************** Love Child posted Message 1941 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 13:07:12 Subject: Brother Bill Ayaalaa Brother Bill Chief of Stuff Glenn Cunninghams illegitmate son? Whose car was that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Latoya posted Message 1942 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 13:24:14 Subject: Re: Brian tell anglos OUT! Isnt Brian Stack known for beating his wife up? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1943 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 13:27:33 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens, The Urban Times posted Message 1944 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 13:38:24 Subject: Who’s NOT Next-The Non Target Letter INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bulls Eye posted Message 1945 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 14:27:56 Subject: Hey Bernie-check this out!!!! go to this link and there is a message for you. You got at least a 24 hour pass...hot diggity dang http://www.njusao.org/break.html Thursday, Oct. 9, 2003 No News Releases Anticipated Today ***************** End Of Article ****************** Time Is Running Out posted Message 1946 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 18:09:29 Subject: Tick...Tick...Tick....Tick ...... : go to this link and there is a message for you. You got at least a 24 hour pass...hot diggity dang http://www.njusao.org/break.html : Thursday, Oct. 9, 2003 : No News Releases Anticipated Today ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tick...Tick...Tick...Tick..How are you gonna explain this one to Bobby? posted Message 1947 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 09, 2003 at 18:41:54 Subject: Re: Hey Stevie- Do I have a surprise for you!!!! A very special surprise for Steve Glazer ***************** End Of Article ****************** Happy Friday All posted Message 1948 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 10, 2003 at 01:00:46 Subject: Stop reading this and get back to work! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TGIF ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens, Urban Times News posted Message 1949 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 10, 2003 at 09:54:12 Subject: The Congressman from Scarinci and Hollenbeck jstevens@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** U:T.N. posted Message 1950 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 10, 2003 at 09:59:45 Subject: CONGRATULATIONS, SANDY-- GREAT WORK!!! Gannett's McClure wins prestigious award Published by the Gannett State Bureau 10/10/03 By GANNETT STATE BUREAU NEW YORK -- Gannett State Bureau reporter Sandy McClure has been named winner of a 2003 Front Page Award by the Newswomen's Club of New York for her coverage of New Jersey Gov. James E. McGreevey's administration. "Panels of highly respected judges reviewed hundreds of entries before determining which outstanding women in print, broadcast and online media should be given this prestigious award," the organization said in announcing the winners. McClure was singled out for her investigative reporting of stories surrounding McGreevey's controversial aide, Golan Cipel, the early release from prison of a reputed mobster, Angelo Prisco, and a trip to Puerto Rico paid for by a union under federal investigation. "The three stories reflect a tremendous amount of excellent reporting skills. The reporter needed to cultivate important sources in the justice and political communities and piece together intriguing stories detailing the use of political muscle. The reporter presents a convincing picture of connection among the players in each story and how alleged improprieties at the top levels of government in New Jersey came to pass. The stories illuminate political favors and misdeeds that fall trough the cracks much of the time," the judges said of McClure's stories. "We're proud of Sandy's work on these stories and the other outstanding projects she has done for Gannett New Jersey newspapers," said Bob Ingle, bureau chief for Gannett in Trenton. "The readers of our seven dailies in this state and residents of New Jersey in general are the better for her conscientious efforts in journalism. She's one of the best, and deserving of the recognition from her peers." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Can you guess my name? Hint SG posted Message 1951 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 10, 2003 at 13:10:28 Subject: . Ok I'll admit it I'm stupid and corrupt and work for the Urban Times News . Ok I'll admit it I'm stupid and corrupt and work for the Urban Times News Ok if the truth be known I'm a troll for the UTN I get paid to watch this board and try to take the edge off of the real truth. Basically I achieve this by telling lies but mostly by detracting from the person telling the truth. So it is a bad thing to help liars like the UTN but I don't get paid very well and do nothing but bother people that post on boards its a great job. By the way I'm paid in a no show job guess which Agency. If you could get away with it you would do it to. Just so you know I do not believe a single thing I post. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Money Washing posted Message 1952 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 10, 2003 at 15:54:08 Subject: Re: The Congressman from Scarinci and Hollenbeck I think the shower is for washing the bribes. : jstevens@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dreamer posted Message 1953 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 11, 2003 at 10:37:23 Subject: The Beginning of the End The Democrats have all but pulled the rug out from underneath themselves because of their greed. The fact is they controlled everything and the only time they had problems is when they fought with each other for a share of the stolen funds and power. Now we believe the end of corruption is at hand but wait a moment there are still the same people that came from the HCDO. The Mayor is a product of the HCDO and must be removed from office and not allowed to become a Senator. He serves along the same lines of the HCDO and will eventually become another machine. Perhaps after he is gone term limits can be put in place for state office as well as local office limiting the control one person or a group of people can have over the political process. Is it possible to protect ourselves from corruption using a structural means of at least limiting the exposure we have to potentially dangerous corruption? Glenn Cunningham is not clean since he used the HCDO machine to get where he is today and his friends have operated in the same fashion as the HCDO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Anthony Chiappone posted Message 1954 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 11, 2003 at 14:04:46 Subject: Winner Deserves Handshakes, Not Lawsuits Friday, October 10, 2003 Letters to the Editor The Jersey Journal This letter is in response to Joe Doria's letter to the editor on Sept. 30. First, let me say that I fully understand Joe Doria's disappointment in not being re-elected to the state Assembly. As a legislator he has served our district well. However, it's important to remember that an office holder does not own the seat he or she is elected to, but rather, it is the voters who have the final say in who shall represent them. In the case of the 31st District primary election, the voters have made their choice for Glenn Cunningham for Senate, and Lou Manzo and me, Tony Chiappone, for state Assembly. These selections by the voters were affirmed through a recount of the voters, confirmed by a thorough check of the voting machines, and finally has been upheld in a court of law. The reality is, as victors we should have been greeted by gracious handshakes from the HCDO instead of bitter subpoenas. In regards to the decision handed down by Judge D'Italia, Joe Doria stated in his letter, "The significant fact is that Judge D'Italia found that the Cunningham/Chiappone/Manzo Team received more than $120,000 in illegal contributions." This is a false comment. Judge D'Italia found no such thing. In fact, he ruled that spending caps do not apply to primary elections. Thus contributions received were not illegal. What makes this case unique is that this is probably the first time in New Jersey that an opposition slate has successfully challenged the existing ruling party. The fact is, prior to Judge D'Italia's ruling, entities such as the Hudson County Democratic Organization felt they could legally outspend anyone or any group that challenged it. Is that fair? Is that democracy? Shouldn't everyone vying for office be on the level playing field as the HCDO? The second part of Judge D'Italia's ruling stated that even if a cap did apply to primary elections, the HCDO did not prove, as would be necessary under regular election law, that those expenditures significantly impacted the results of the election. It's important to note the HCDO spent $1.6 million while we spent approximately $350,000. The financial advantage was clearly on their side of the fiscal ledger. One of my goals as state assemblyman will be to examine and amend current election laws so that caps do exist in both primary elections and general elections and so that they are fair for all who choose to run for office. And getting back to the election challenge itself, let's remember the initial basis on which Joe Doria and the HCDO chose to mount their court case. Cries of "massive voter fraud" by Joe Doria and the HCDO were allegations that were splashed all over this very newspaper. In making their case, they alleged that over 2,000 votes in Jersey City were fraudulent, and did not present even one witness or one shred of evidence to substantiate their claim. The fact is Joe Doria and the HCDO dropped their charges of voter fraud once they realized they had no case. At this point, I feel that it's time for Democrats to put this animosity aside and move on and work towards the benefit of the 31st District. There are many important issues in front of us and I look forward to serving the residents of Bayonne and Jersey City and stepping up to the challenge of addressing those issues on a statewide level. ANTHONY CHIAPPONE, Councilman At Large & Democratic Nominee for the State Assembly ***************** End Of Article ****************** LQQK AT THIS! posted Message 1955 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 12, 2003 at 09:59:32 Subject: Donald Scarinci on Gov. McGreevey New York Times New Jersey 10/12/03 "'The Jim McGreevey I know is probably the most intelligent governor to server New Jersey since Woodrow Wilson,' said Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County Democratic powerbroker." Yeah, sure... and Rush Limbaugh is really Elvis Presley! ***************** End Of Article ****************** LQQK AT THIS! posted Message 1956 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 12, 2003 at 10:01:52 Subject: Donald Scarinci on Gov. McGreevey New York Times New Jersey 10/12/03 . . . "'The Jim McGreevey I know is probably the most intelligent governor to serve New Jersey since Woodrow Wilson,' said Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County Democratic powerbroker." . . . Yeah, sure... and Rush Limbaugh is really Elvis Presley! ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 1957 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 12, 2003 at 16:16:08 Subject: The McGreevey Team's Ace in the Hole? Why not? ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 1958 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 13, 2003 at 09:30:55 Subject: Re: Omelia should concentrate on issues Oh stop worrying about the children born out of wedlock, the unemployment problem, drugs, gangs,education or homelessness. We're gonna solve it with the "tiny-tax" so we can use up the space on these boards with things like petunias or daisys? Gazebos or open lawn? THESE are the pressing matters. Oy Vey. : Here's a chance for that Hudson County radion program to step out of the Political Gossip world, and to start takling on some seriousissues important to us as a society. Who cares about who's posters have glue, or staples? What does it matter? Nada. But listen.Over 73% of Black children born in Hudson County are born out of wedlock. Young women are becoming grandmothers in their early 30's.This placed such an enormous strain on our Black population and on our society in general. Discuss something of substance. It's such a privledge to have that air time. Why waste it on who putstoo much brerad crumbs in their meatballs? and please stop kissing axx ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1959 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 13, 2003 at 16:53:02 Subject: Tonites topics. UC Mayor says "You don't like it? Get out!!,, Infantes trial starts, Flea market on the Skyway off ramp, Old Bergen cemetery, Loews theatre gains support, Over haul the JCPA?, all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 1960 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 13, 2003 at 18:53:25 Subject: Re: Tonites topics. Patrick, why don't you put your "Tonite's show" post in ALL the Hudson County forums? You may increase your listener base to 10. Cut & paste (then customize where necessary) will take 10 min. Also, you only bring up that "tiny-tax" in the Jersey City forum while, I bet, the rest of the county goes clueless. This is a COUNTY wide issue. Bring it to the appropriate forums because JC is the only place it gets discussed. : UC Mayor says "You don't like it? Get out!!,, Infantes trial starts, Flea market on the Skyway off ramp, Old Bergen cemetery, Loews theatre gains support, Over haul the JCPA?, all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Looking to make a Buck posted Message 1961 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 13, 2003 at 21:26:51 Subject: Pat Is Now A Grave Robber Pat - I have the perfect position for you in the grave yard - Keep digging your grave - you are doing a good job. : Patrick, why don't you put your "Tonite's show" post in ALL the Hudson County forums? You may increase your listener base to 10. : Cut & paste (then customize where necessary) will take 10 min. : Also, you only bring up that "tiny-tax" in the Jersey City forum while, I bet, the rest of the county goes clueless. This is a COUNTY wide issue. Bring it to the appropriate forums because JC is the only place it gets discussed. : : UC Mayor says "You don't like it? Get out!!,, Infantes trial starts, Flea market on the Skyway off ramp, Old Bergen cemetery, Loews theatre gains support, Over haul the JCPA?, all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pandorabox posted Message 1962 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 00:12:46 Subject: Russo die? I heard some people gossiping that Russo die? is this true or just gossip? ***************** End Of Article ****************** mutilane posted Message 1963 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 00:18:55 Subject: Re: Pat Is Now A Grave Robber Didn't Pat said Doria would win 3 to 1? When Pat endorses a candidate is the kiss of death. Now he is saying great things about Cunnigham? and Stack! Did he deliver the computer to the blind kid in his brand new mercedez paid by for by the people of union city. ***************** End Of Article ****************** recall posted Message 1964 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 00:27:18 Subject: Support the recall of Brian Stack Well the RECALL in California was effective and we now have the Terminator I siiting in the Governors Chair. You see I have been trying to tell everyone that the System does work and if we unite and bring all the issues out to the PUBLIC CHEITO will be successful in UNION CITY and he will bring an end to all the CAOS and the insanity that is going on in UNION CITY while Brian Stack continues to MORTGAGE the FUTURE of OUR CHILDREN . So if you want to put an end the harrassment and abuse that is going on in UNION CITY, JOIN Jose "CHEITO" Falto. Every person counts and together we could make a real DIFFERENCE in bringing about HONESTY, INTEGRITY & PROFESSIONALISM to our local GOVERNMENT. Support the recall of BPS, join Jose Falto to make a better Union City. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Idiot Investor posted Message 1965 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 11:42:57 Subject: I've been Johnsoned Both Fidelity and Franklin funds are run by families named Johnson both groups of Johnsones have preformed in accordance with their names by trading their own funds against the benefit of the investing public ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1966 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 12:14:46 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 1967 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 16:57:11 Subject: Something to think about...... 1. Is it true cannibals don’t eat clowns cause they taste funny? 2. Is atheism a non-prophet organization? 3. Is there another word for synonym? 4. If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? 5. Would a fly without wings be called a walk? 6. What was the best thing before sliced bread? 7. Can you really have a civil war? 8. If you ate pasta and antipasto would you still be hungry? 9. Whose idea was it to have an "s" in the word lisp? 10. If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done? 11. Why is it called tourist season if we cant shoot them? 12. If your parents never had any kids, is there a good chance you won't either? 13. Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? 14. Why don’t sheep shrink when it rains? 15. What would you if you saw an endangered animal eating an endangered plant? 16. Where do forest rangers go to get away from it all? 17. If a man standing in the forest speaks and there's no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? 18. Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of the song? 19. If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the others? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1968 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 17:00:49 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1969 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 17:34:05 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show, 10/13/03 To hear last night's show Online, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Another Hour of Pat Seeking a Political Job posted Message 1970 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 18:12:37 Subject: Pat O'Melia - Waste of Time : To hear last night's show Online, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** By JAMES McQUEENY posted Message 1971 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 19:23:24 Subject: A pen of steel and a heart of gold A pen of steel and a heart of gold By JAMES McQUEENY New Jersey is a place where media treasures can be hard to find. And when one of them disappears, it's all the sadder, as it was this week with the untimely death of Peter Weiss, the political columnist for the Jersey Journal in Hudson County. He passed away on September 6 at 60 after having had heart surgery a few weeks ago. Weiss practiced a style of journalism rarely seen anymore anywhere, never mind New Jersey. He practiced it for more than three decades at a newspaper that itself is a throwback to when a reporter and a paper wove themselves into the fabric of a community's everyday life. Weiss was the paper's long-time political columnist. In Hudson County, that's like being the sheriff of Dodge City. The Jersey Journal never abandoned the city where it grew up, Jersey City. Its offices are located right off Journal Square in a building as gritty as its coverage. Unlike the newsrooms of papers that migrated to the suburbs, the Journal's newsroom would never be mistaken for the insurance claims offices that most now resemble. Weiss once told me that computers were accepted into the newsroom years after they arrived at other papers, and even then they were taken in grumpily, "like sus_picious boarders." But the newsroom camaraderie was high, intense, and it was due largely to Weiss, whom I first got to know when we were cub reporters starting our careers on competing papers in Hudson County. Weiss' Political Whirl column made him Hudson County's cop on the beat in a rough political neighborhood. You could almost envision him twirling the nightstick as he passed under the streetlight. How tough was the beat? One of my predecessors on the now-deservedly defunct newspaper I worked for, walked the political beat like Weiss but not the same way. This guy would ask politicians to pay him for a mention in his column, and the price was higher if they wanted their opponents maligned. He actually handed out a printed price list that I kept for many years. It went something like: "Favorable Mention - $10" "Unfavorable Mention of Opponent - $20." Former Gov. Brendan Byrne once said that Hudson County was the only place on the planet where life after death can be proven - the dead are still voting, aren't they? In those years, a beginning reporter like Weiss had to keep his eyes on the politicians in front of him and on the unscrupulous competitors behind him. The style of Weiss and the Journal was, and is, the personification of local news - make that really local news. The headline on the story next to his page-one obituary was "3 Firefighters Are Bitten by Insects." Most reporters these days see changing beats as necessary to "advance" their careers. So too many reporters hardly invest the time and attention needed to know the communities they are assigned to cover. Readers are left to suffer through too many he said/she said stories that are bereft of local flavor, perspective and even interest. Weiss stayed put, centered and honest. He was focused on politics and a Hudson County community that knew it. That community also knew where he was coming from and where to find him. And that was, invariably, in jeans and a T-shirt, at almost any time, in the newsroom. He kept a tie in his desk drawer, or so he said, though many were left to wonder how he would ever fasten it around a collarless shirt. In the couple of years that we competitors, it seemed that we were always covering indictments, trials and elections - a world of harsh verdicts. Weiss gave these stories his snap, professional judgments, but I never once saw him succumb to harsh judgments against the persons involved. He had a pen of steel but a heart of gold. Weiss was nobody's fool, either. Thirty or more years on the beat helps you there. When politicians tried to spin him, he always listened, which, often to their lament, didn't signal agreement, as his column would later reveal. Weiss' most animated response to any outrageous political spin would be a trademark squeaky, almost frumpy, cackle, an indiscretion he would quickly try to hide behind his hand. Maybe a roll of his eyes would follow. Readers knew they were getting Weiss' truthful best in every column, even with the journalists' term "objectivity" under assault as of late. After I left the county for other journalism assignments, we became such good friends that he was the best man at my wedding years later. And out of friendship and professional gratitude for making me a better journalist, I continually sent job offers his way. When I complained once that Weiss either threw the offers away or gave them to younger reporters he mentored, a mutual friend said that while Weiss might entertain leaving the newspaper, he would never think about leaving its readers. He loved them, and they loved him. When an editor at the paper called me at my home for comments on his life for the obit, I said that surely there were big-name politicians and officials who would be lining up to get quoted. I wouldn't be needed. The editor confided that he had indeed spoken to a long line of those people before me, but nobody could finish a sentence without crying - the last one being Rep. Robert Menendez, one of the most frequent targets of Weiss' columns. James McQueeny, a former Star-Ledger Washington bureau chief and political analyst for News12 New Jersey, is the head of Winning Strategies, a communications company based in New Jersey and Washington, D.C. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pats*cks posted Message 1972 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 14, 2003 at 21:27:31 Subject: Re: Pat O'Melia - Waste of Time He did talk a lot of GARBAGE about Glen Cunnigham and now he is the best of the world. I heard stack gave him a job... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Edwin Rios posted Message 1973 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 06:40:57 Subject: Re: RALLY TO RECALL MCGREEVEY : MCGREEVEY IS EVIL AND CORRUPT RALLY TO RECALL THROW MCGREEVEY OUT. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Voter posted Message 1974 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 08:04:14 Subject: Ayala is working for a better Jersey City Ayala has been working hard at his job and serving the people of Jersey City. All to often this board fails to say you are doing a good job and thank you. Hats off to Mayor Cunningham for having a good staff and Ayala in no small part contributes to that effort. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Power behind the throne posted Message 1975 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 08:06:26 Subject: Ayala could be the defacto Mayor When you look at the record of the Mayor Ayalas work is clearly seen. The Mayor when he is elected Senator will need a strong presence to run the city I believe Ayala is that person maybe the next Mayor. ***************** End Of Article ****************** New Blood posted Message 1976 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 08:13:00 Subject: Restructuring the HCDO The HCDO has been destroyed and needs to be rebuilt. The old alliances and infighting renders the Mayor and others unable to achieve that goal. Ayala has been part of the new group of political figures capable of rebuilding the HCDO. Glenn Cunningham has acted wisely in providing Ayala with the stepping stone to achieve this. While Glenn is part of a quickly vanishing past regime Ayala is fresh and availible to fill the void left in the wake of investigations. So as Glenn is voted in the Senate spot and holds the Mayors office his ultimated down fall will happen. Glenn broke ranks with the HCDO but not before acquiring its ability to get him elected Mayor. Ayala can fill that void after Glenn leaves office. ***************** End Of Article ****************** jill posted Message 1977 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 08:53:11 Subject: Re: 1st Amendment and the Web : : :I JUST READ YOUR POSTING WHY WOULD ANYONE GIVE YOU A HARD TIME ABOUT THE 1ST AMMED. HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO A WEB CHAT ROOM? : I don't understand. What do you mean? i love the first amendment i think about it everyday and i do all in my power to keep my standards based on the first amendment. Thanks to your posting i have found a new way of life!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 1978 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 13:19:17 Subject: Paul Byrne, Joe Barry Indicted How many more shoes now to drop? - - - Developer and political operative indicted in corruption probe By JEFFREY GOLD The Associated Press 10/15/2003, 11:30 a.m. ET NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — A developer paid the ranking Hudson County politician and his operative nearly $140,000 in return for securing federal and state grants and loans for projects, federal authorities charged. A 16-count indictment was unsealed Wednesday with the surrender of Joseph Barry, president of Hoboken-based Applied Development Co., and Paul J. Byrne, an associate of the former top elected official in Hudson County, Robert C. Janiszewski. The bribery scheme provided $8.8 million in loans and grants for Barry and his company, according to the federal indictment, which was handed up Tuesday. The charges stem from video and audio recordings that Janiszewski made with Barry, Byrne and others as he assisted the government's continuing probe of Hudson County corruption, the U.S. Attorney's Office said. Barry, 63, of Peapack-Gladstone, and Byrne, 57, of Jersey City, were to be formally told of the charges at a hearing late Wednesday morning. The charges against Barry include bribery, conspiracy and fraud, which each carry up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Byrne faces fraud and fraud charges, as well attempted extortion for an official, which carries up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Some of the schemes were outlined during testimony this spring from Janiszewski, the former Hudson County executive. Janiszewski, a prosecution witness in the corruption trial of six-term Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila Colon, said that he and Byrne agreed to accept kickbacks from Barry, whose Hoboken firm built and operates thousands of apartments there and in Jersey City. In return, they helped Barry win federal subsidies and county approval for his developments, Janiszewski said. In a statement issued by his lawyer's office, Barry said, "The facts in this case will prove my innocence." "For the past 35 years I have worked hard and honestly in the revitalization of Hoboken and other New Jersey urban communities. The redevelopment has benefited the families who had lived in the declining neighborhoods for generations and those who moved to the neighborhoods after revitalization," he said. His attorney, Joseph A. Hayden Jr., said the defense would attack the legality of using Janiszewski as an informant for more than two years "when he should have been removed immediately — in order to further a federal fishing expedition." "The truth is Robert Janiszewski is a convicted extortionist who, according to court testimony, habitually violated the public trust for years," Hayden said in a statement. Byrne has denied accepting payoffs. U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said the indictment "rounds out the picture of the depth of corruption in Hudson County and the atmosphere that made it business as usual." "This is damning evidence of a corrupt bribery scheme spanning years, in which Barry was able to grease the skids to help finance his considerable development of the Hudson County waterfront," Christie said. "It's galling that Mr. Barry, someone of considerable financial means, received public money through bribery, while other non-corrupted entrepreneurs could have gotten it legitimately." Colon was convicted of passing more than $10,000 in bribes to Janiszewski to help her boyfriend get county contracts. She resigned and awaits sentencing. Janiszewski, a longtime Democratic power broker, pleaded guilty in October 2002 to taking more than $100,000 in bribes and also awaits sentencing. Several other politicians and businessmen in Hudson County have also been charged, including for Hoboken Mayor Anthony J. Russo. ***************** End Of Article ****************** jcman posted Message 1979 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 13:37:48 Subject: Re: Ayala is working for a better Jersey City who that hell is ayala? ***************** End Of Article ****************** :) posted Message 1980 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 13:46:18 Subject: Manolo we missed you, where have you been? LOL ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1981 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 14:22:45 Subject: Michael Aron Interviews Paul Byrne To hear the archived Online audio recording, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 1982 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 20:26:23 Subject: Barry/Byrne -- Indictment -- News Release 10-15-2003 -- Barry/Byrne -- Indictment -- News Release Hudson County Waterfront Developer Joseph Barry and Janiszewski "Consultant" Indicted, Taken Into Custody NEWARK - Hudson County waterfront developer Joseph Barry has been charged in a federal corruption Indictment with paying nearly $140,000 to former county Executive Robert Janiszewski and an associate, in return for Janiszewski's official action in securing federal and state grants and loans for Barry development projects, U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie announced. Also named in the Indictment is Paul J. Byrne, a long-time associate and political advisor to Janiszewski and "consultant," who allegedly took a share of the bribes from Barry and acted as an intermediary for some of the payments from Barry to Janiszewski. In all, the Indictment details $8.8 million in federal and state loans and grants that Barry and his enterprise, the Applied Companies, secured through bribery. The Indictment was returned by a grand jury yesterday and unsealed when both men surrendered this morning to Special Agents of the FBI in Newark. Barry, 63, of Peapack-Gladstone, and Byrne, 57, of Jersey City, appeared earlier today before U.S. Magistrate Judge Mark Falk in Newark. Both defendants were released on $500,000 bond, to be secured by real estate equity. Among other things, the Indictment describes what is alleged to be Barry's "payoff sheet," with detailed entries of bribe amounts, dates and notations specifying to which government loan or grant the payoff was connected. The grants specified in the payoff sheet correspond to the public funding sources in connection with large-scale commercial and/or residential developments Barry's companies were undertaking on the so-called "Gold Coast" Hoboken waterfront, according to the Indictment. The payoffs were allegedly made between about June 1996 and July 2001. The cash bribe amounts ranged from $14,900 to $30,000, with Janiszewski and Byrne taking their "share" of the payoffs from Barry. "This is damning evidence of a corrupt bribery scheme spanning years, in which Barry was able to grease the skids to help finance his considerable development of the Hudson County waterfront," Christie said. "It's galling that Mr. Barry, someone of considerable financial means, received public money through bribery, while other non-corrupted entrepreneurs could have gotten it legitimately." "This Indictment rounds out the picture of the depth of corruption in Hudson County and the atmosphere that made it business as usual," Christie said. The investigation involved large numbers of consensually made video- and audio-taped recordings of Barry, Byrne and others, made my Janiszewski as he cooperated in the government's investigation. Janiszewski's covert cooperation began in November/December 2000. He resigned as county executive in early September 2001, thus his covert cooperation lasted approximately nine months, not the two years stated by counsel for the defendants. The investigation into Hudson County corruption is continuing, Christie said. The 16-count Indictment charges Barry and Byrne with five counts of mail or wire fraud, each carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine; one count each of conspiracy to offer and give corrupt payments in connection with federally funded programs, which carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine; four counts against Barry of offering and giving bribes in specific amounts, each count carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine; Byrne with three counts of attempted extortion under color of official right (for seeking payoffs, on behalf of Janiszewski from accountant Gerald Lisa and his firm, in connection with the award of a renewable contract in the maximum amount of $270,000), each count carrying a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine; Byrne with three counts of tax evasion for failing to report or pay taxes on more than $900,000 in income, including the bribe income, on his federal tax returns, each carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $100,000 fine. The Applied Companies' development projects, the grants and loans Barry received as part of the bribery scheme are as follows: • The Hoboken Shipyard project, a mixed-use retail and residential development on approximately 45 acres of land and water, bounded by 12th Street, 16th Street and the Hudson River. Approximately $6.69 million in federal loan guarantees were awarded to the Applied Companies by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development in July 1998, through an application submitted by Hudson County's Division of Housing and Community Development. • An additional $1 million Economic Development Initiative grand was awarded by HUD to the Hudson County government. HUD originally earmarked the funds for use in a proposed hotel in Jersey City, but through a request by county Executive Janiszewski, the money eventually went to and already approved Section 108 loan guarantee application for the Shipyard project. • The Waterfront Walkway project in Hoboken, an Applied Companies real estate project, which involved the construction of a publicly accessible pedestrian walkway along the waterfront, adjacent to the Shipyard project. The federally funded Transportation Enhancement Program authorized approximately $1.036 million, of which the Applied Companies have received approximately $968,897. It was applied for by the Hudson County Improvement Authority and Hudson Transportation Management Association. • The 12th-14th Street Extension, which involved the construction of an additional roadway to extend those streets in Hoboken to the Hudson River for public access to the Waterfront Walkway and Shipyard project. In 1995 and 1996, the Local Aid Division of the New Jersey Department of Transportation allocated approximately $1.064 million to the Hudson County Engineering Department for that project. • The 15th Street Extension to similarly extend that street to the Hudson River, the Waterfront Walkway and Shipyard project. Through the NJDOT funding the Allied Companies received another $365,000 in 1999 from Hudson County Engineering Department. Christie credited Special Agents of the FBI, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Louie F. Allen in Newark; and Special Agents of the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation section in Newark, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Patricia J. Haynes. The case is being prosecuted by Deputy Chief Jeffrey Clark, and Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Goldklang, of the U.S. Attorney's Office Special Prosecutions Division. -end- Defense Counsel: Barry - Joseph Hayden, Esq. and James Plaisted, Esq. Byrne - John T. Coyle, Esq. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 1983 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 22:55:05 Subject: Slimy Toad Ayala is Cunningham's Chief of Staff. A sleazier, sneakier slimy toad has never been seen. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ayala Groupie posted Message 1984 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 15, 2003 at 22:59:22 Subject: Nice job Bill ! Good job posting all the messages Bill. I'm sure the grass roots movement to elect you Mayor will start any day now. Not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** CheezStake posted Message 1985 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 16, 2003 at 07:28:26 Subject: What Do They Have In Common Janiszewski, Colon, Byrne, Braker, Russo, Sandoval, Barry? They all supported Cunningham for Mayor in 2001. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Yes you are correct posted Message 1986 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 16, 2003 at 07:59:53 Subject: Re: What Do They Have In Common In addition his whole staff comes from the ranks of the HCDO. Same crew different name. Perhaps the corruption has changed its name but not its nature. 100% for me and nobody else Glenn must realize he is the same as the rest and with that one can only expect a letter from the Feds to arrive shortly maybe thats why some of the senior staff are looking for the exits. : Janiszewski, Colon, Byrne, Braker, Russo, Sandoval, Barry? They all supported Cunningham for Mayor in 2001. ***************** End Of Article ****************** KENNYwatch posted Message 1987 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 16, 2003 at 12:56:54 Subject: Happenings At The Kenny Home EXTRA , EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT !! SUICIDE WATCH AT THE KENNY HOME ! ALL SHARP INSTRUMENTS HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM BERNIE. EVEN BUTER KNIVES ARE TABOO. ROPES ,RIBBONS , NECKTIES , EVEN SHOELACES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. A RED FACED SENATOR KENNY IS FORCED TO WEAR EMBARASSING "CLIP ON" NERD TIES. HE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED A 24 HOUR "MINDER" WHO STAYS WITH HIM ALL THE TIME. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BullPup posted Message 1988 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 16, 2003 at 14:21:58 Subject: Re: Slimy Toad Ya really think so? : Ayala is Cunningham's Chief of Staff. A sleazier, sneakier slimy toad has never been seen. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 1989 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 16, 2003 at 14:54:27 Subject: SUPREME COURT THROWS OUT HCDO EMERGENT APPEAL OF ELECTION CASE sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Alfalfa posted Message 1990 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 16, 2003 at 15:10:45 Subject: Re: SUPREME COURT THROWS OUT HCDO EMERGENT APPEAL OF ELECTION CASE HCDO spokesman Javier Inclan could not be reached for comment. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 1991 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 17, 2003 at 22:44:46 Subject: Re: Slimy Toad :: Snazzy dresser though. But I tend to agree with Weezil : Ya really think so? : : Ayala is Cunningham's Chief of Staff. A sleazier, sneakier slimy toad has never been seen. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S posted Message 1992 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 18, 2003 at 18:14:40 Subject: Re: Happenings At The Kenny Home DELIVERED VACANT...BARRY HAS BRIBED TWO GENERATIONS OF THE SAME FAMILY. THAT'S GOTTA BELONG IN GUINESS. : EXTRA , EXTRA : READ ALL ABOUT IT !! : SUICIDE WATCH AT THE KENNY HOME ! : ALL SHARP INSTRUMENTS HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM BERNIE. : EVEN BUTER KNIVES ARE TABOO. : ROPES ,RIBBONS , NECKTIES , EVEN SHOELACES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. : A RED FACED SENATOR KENNY IS FORCED TO WEAR EMBARASSING "CLIP ON" NERD TIES. : HE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED A 24 HOUR "MINDER" WHO STAYS WITH HIM ALL THE TIME. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Recall Cunningham posted Message 1993 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 19, 2003 at 08:13:39 Subject: Cunningham, Ayala and others throw the bums out Why wait for the election lets throw Glenn out of office. The reason would be he spent so much time running for senate that he forgot about us back home those that put him there. Let Glenn be the Senator but lets get a new mayor and fast. Glenn is already looking for a home in Trenton. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 1994 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 19, 2003 at 19:20:51 Subject: Re: SUPREME COURT THROWS OUT HCDO EMERGENT APPEAL OF ELECTION CASE : ROFLMAO : HCDO spokesman Javier Inclan could not be reached for comment. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stoolie posted Message 1995 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 20, 2003 at 10:20:14 Subject: Gaynors is losers Shameless losers apologists for DeGise, Mr. Ethics. Lies to us about no new taxes then campaigns about how ethical he is. Start by telling the truth. On his watch corruption is every where and Menendez sells computers to the county for his campaign fund contributors, the high bidders. That would be Jeff Persilay. Tell us about ethics Tommy boy. Serve at the pleasure of Menendez and by the way, the Gaynors still think that they are going to get jobs. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Herpetologist posted Message 1996 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 20, 2003 at 14:11:20 Subject: Re: Slimy Toad Could not agree more with Weezil Deal Gaughan about Ayala. I guess one chief of staff can see the failures of another and Ayala comes up way short. But we have a major difference. Toads are not slimy. Frogs are slimy. : :: Snazzy dresser though. But I tend to agree with Weezil : : Ya really think so? : : : Ayala is Cunningham's Chief of Staff. A sleazier, sneakier slimy toad has never been seen. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 1997 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 20, 2003 at 17:45:53 Subject: Tonites show. Guest JC icon Sam DiFeo, Angry employees at the JC employment and training? How can that be?,, Car theft down 25% in JC, all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** EyesWIdeOpen posted Message 1998 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 20, 2003 at 22:44:43 Subject: Cunningham isn't smart enough to get rid of Ayala... Hasn't anyone seen through this low life Bill Ayala? He has no talent, no clue and no class. He is a power hungry yutz who s-cks up to the Mayor and somehow manages to dodge the bullets heading his way. He crashes city cars, insults US Senators, alienates elected officials, fires anyone with an ounce of independence and intelligence, shields the Mayor from the truth, harrasses female city hall workers with unwanted advances, isolates JC amongst the cities of our great state, sets JC Dems against eachother for his own benefit, creates political upheaval so he can justify his own existence, disaffects the core constituency that elected this Mayor through his gruff and dismissive attitude, and generally alienates anyone he comes in contact with. He's an idiot ....plain and simple. He was even rejected by the Lautenberg people who he supposedly worked with when the old guy went up for election this time around. The Mayor tried to sluff him off for a while by "lending" him to their campaign. And they said THANKS BUT NO FREAKIN WAY DO WE WANT HIM AROUND!!!! Eventually Cunningham will either come to his senses and ditch the idiot, or Ayala will ultimately be this administration's undoing. The folks in the north want to take Cunningham down?? This barfly bets that a good place to start would be Ayala's background. Does this guy even have a college degree?? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Catrillo For County Executive posted Message 1999 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 05:29:14 Subject: Vote against the open-space tax Monday, October 13, 2003 Letters to the Editor The Jersey Journal On Nov. 4, the citizens of Hudson County will be asked to vote on a new "special assessment" to their property tax bill. This "mini-tax" - County Executive Tom DeGise's phrase - would then be used as a matching fund to seek state Green Acres funds for "[thin].[thin].[thin].[thin]open space and farmland preservation." In other words, homeowners are being asked to pay a new special tax even though they have already paid for the acquisition of open space through their funding of Green Acres bonds. You are being asked to pay twice for the same thing. And "farmland preservation" in Hudson County needs no further comment. Of course, no one disagrees with the need for more open space, but why is this need so critical that it calls for a new, special tax? There are literally hundreds of problems facing Hudson County residents that could use extra funding. Should there be a special tax to fight the spread of the HIV virus? Should there be a special tax to combat teen pregnancy? How about a special tax to end traffic congestion, and promote cleaner air? The point is that there is no end to the list of problems that need more funding. This is why I oppose the new "mini-tax" favored by my opponent for County Executive Tom DeGise. Once we begin to go down the road of special assessments to address specific problems, there will be no end to the parade of special assessments. The County tax burden - already increased by 8 percent this year by Tom DeGise - is too much to bear right now. Therefore, I urge all voters to vote "no" on Tom DeGise's mini-tax. The taxpayers of Hudson County are already overtaxed. To ask for a new tax to address a problem that is already being funded from our present taxes is an insult to the intelligence of every homeowner in Hudson County. CHARLES J. CATRILLO Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2000 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 05:38:09 Subject: The New Jersey State Dinosaur Visit the Link to learn more about these ancient behemoths. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2001 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 06:53:55 Subject: Re: Vote against the open-space tax : Thank you Mr. Catrillo. I have been saying the same thing for months, maybe not so eloquently, in another forum & was called among other things, ignorant. We, in Jersey City & Hudson County, face problems much more pressing than how to acquire more open space. I would really like to know where the heck you are going to find any space period in towns like Guttenberg & EastNewark. In other towns, all the open space there is has been pretty much used up & the towns that do have potential space, face massive remediation. Finally, if you think for one minute that these funds will remain dedicated or $0.01, then I have a bridge to sell you. : Monday, October 13, 2003 : Letters to the Editor : The Jersey Journal : On Nov. 4, the citizens of Hudson County will be asked to vote on a new "special assessment" to their property tax bill. This "mini-tax" - County Executive Tom DeGise's phrase - would then be used as a matching fund to seek state Green Acres funds for "[thin].[thin].[thin].[thin]open space and farmland preservation." : In other words, homeowners are being asked to pay a new special tax even though they have already paid for the acquisition of open space through their funding of Green Acres bonds. You are being asked to pay twice for the same thing. And "farmland preservation" in Hudson County needs no further comment. : Of course, no one disagrees with the need for more open space, but why is this need so critical that it calls for a new, special tax? : There are literally hundreds of problems facing Hudson County residents that could use extra funding. Should there be a special tax to fight the spread of the HIV virus? Should there be a special tax to combat teen pregnancy? How about a special tax to end traffic congestion, and promote cleaner air? : The point is that there is no end to the list of problems that need more funding. This is why I oppose the new "mini-tax" favored by my opponent for County Executive Tom DeGise. Once we begin to go down the road of special assessments to address specific problems, there will be no end to the parade of special assessments. The County tax burden - already increased by 8 percent this year by Tom DeGise - is too much to bear right now. : Therefore, I urge all voters to vote "no" on Tom DeGise's mini-tax. The taxpayers of Hudson County are already overtaxed. To ask for a new tax to address a problem that is already being funded from our present taxes is an insult to the intelligence of every homeowner in Hudson County. : CHARLES J. CATRILLO Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2002 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 07:01:50 Subject: Re: Slimy Toad : Weezil is Gorgon! Chief of Stuff & President of the City Council? Hmmm, interesting. (Anyone who doesn't think he is not the President of the Council need only attend a few meetings to see what I mean.) : Could not agree more with Weezil Deal Gaughan about Ayala. I guess one chief of staff can see the failures of another and Ayala comes up way short. But we have a major difference. : Toads are not slimy. Frogs are slimy. : : :: Snazzy dresser though. But I tend to agree with Weezil : : : Ya really think so? : : : : Ayala is Cunningham's Chief of Staff. A sleazier, sneakier slimy toad has never been seen. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stop taxing me for your pocket posted Message 2003 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 07:16:41 Subject: Dems and Republicans steal our money You cannot trust any of the politicians they steal the tax funds and violate our trust. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fug Bucker posted Message 2004 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 08:15:28 Subject: True Cost of Ayala Ayala is costing Cunningham popularity and support of people with talent and ability that Ayala does not have. This know nothing loser's only talent is to attach himself to Cunningham like a tic and drive away anybody with any ability who tend to make him look like the zero that he is. When Cunningham offered his services to Lautenberg at no cost to help Lautenberg, Lautenberg's staff said thanks but no thanks. He has no natural ability, no education, no experience, and no skills. He is qualified for absolutely nothing, but he makes important decisions negating the work of talented professionals. Besides that he is a liar and an unprincipaled opportunist who will jump ship as soon as anybody is crazy enough to offer him one dollar more. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2005 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 10:37:22 Subject: Not Gaughan !!! Guess again ! : ) ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2006 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 12:13:07 Subject: Re: Not Gaughan !!! Hey that's my M.O. ***************** End Of Article ****************** That is not true posted Message 2007 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 12:39:30 Subject: Re: True Cost of Ayala His work has been good and Cunningham would have removed him if it wasn't. So allow Cunningham the luxury of having the staff he wants even if it does measure up to your standards. Of course Cunningham is an idiot himself and should be removed from office his only asset is his good nature the rest is a total wash. : Ayala is costing Cunningham popularity and support of people with talent and ability that Ayala does not have. This know nothing loser's only talent is to attach himself to Cunningham like a tic and drive away anybody with any ability who tend to make him look like the zero that he is. When Cunningham offered his services to Lautenberg at no cost to help Lautenberg, Lautenberg's staff said thanks but no thanks. He has no natural ability, no education, no experience, and no skills. He is qualified for absolutely nothing, but he makes important decisions negating the work of talented professionals. Besides that he is a liar and an unprincipaled opportunist who will jump ship as soon as anybody is crazy enough to offer him one dollar more. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fug Bucker posted Message 2008 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 13:22:35 Subject: Cost of Ayala by Ayala Thank you for sharing that, Bill. You are the only one of that opinion anywhere in the world. F.B. : His work has been good and Cunningham would have removed him if it wasn't. So allow Cunningham the luxury of having the staff he wants even if it does measure up to your standards. Of course Cunningham is an idiot himself and should be removed from office his only asset is his good nature the rest is a total wash. : : Ayala is costing Cunningham popularity and support of people with talent and ability that Ayala does not have. This know nothing loser's only talent is to attach himself to Cunningham like a tic and drive away anybody with any ability who tend to make him look like the zero that he is. When Cunningham offered his services to Lautenberg at no cost to help Lautenberg, Lautenberg's staff said thanks but no thanks. He has no natural ability, no education, no experience, and no skills. He is qualified for absolutely nothing, but he makes important decisions negating the work of talented professionals. Besides that he is a liar and an unprincipaled opportunist who will jump ship as soon as anybody is crazy enough to offer him one dollar more. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bull Pup posted Message 2009 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 13:28:49 Subject: Re: Not Gaughan !!! Deny, Deny, Deny. Kinda Weezly aint it? Maybe that's why Ayala cheeses you off so much... : Hey that's my M.O. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2010 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 16:04:17 Subject: Can you say Sycophant ? Ayala has no credibility. He masquerades as a professional, ethical person while looking the other way as Cunningham and his lackeys make their sleazy deals. He is a venal person who fits in very well with the Cunningham crew. See no evil, hear no evil and dummy up. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fug Bucker posted Message 2011 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 16:15:58 Subject: Sick Of Say What? Who's that? Huh? Not Psycho, just dumb. Wanna see a pachyderm? : Ayala has no credibility. He masquerades as a professional, ethical person while looking the other way as Cunningham and his lackeys make their sleazy deals. : He is a venal person who fits in very well with the Cunningham crew. See no evil, hear no evil and dummy up. ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2012 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 21, 2003 at 21:43:19 Subject: Re: True Cost of Ayala Just like you Stevie....... ***************** End Of Article ****************** BERNICE ROBINSON posted Message 2013 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 22, 2003 at 01:11:03 Subject: IT IS ABOUT TIME CONGRADS ON YOUR ELECTION WIN. YOU'VE EARNED IT. I TOLD YOU YEARS AGO YOU SHOULD RUN, WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG. CONGRADS ON THE JUDGE D'LTALIA DECISION, HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WISE AND FAIR JUDGE. I HAVE NO ALWAYS AGREED WITH HIM, BUT I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT. AS FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO HAVE A RECALL BECAUSE OF IT, I CAN ONLY SAY " SOUR GRAPES". IF A HIRE POSITION IS IN YOUR HEART, GO FOR IT. YOU HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH PEOPLE TO BACK YOU. GOD SPEED MY FRIEND, AND ALWAYS KEEP THE WIND TO YOUR BACK. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chuck O'Tay posted Message 2014 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 22, 2003 at 10:09:24 Subject: Farmland Preservation in Hudson County I must vehemently negate the position posited by candidate Charles Catrillo that the preservation of farmland in Hudson County is, per se, absurd. Mr. Catrillo is most conveniently ignoring the Funny Farm that is on 595 Newark Ave in Jersey City. This is a capital-intensive operation and increased taxation is required to fund it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2015 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 22, 2003 at 10:39:42 Subject: SENATOR SCHNITZEL? Not too often do I have the opportunity to enjoy any missives from the Democratic Republic of North Hudson, but one of our spies provided the material that you see above. Nice coinky-dink that the North Bergen taxpayers are paying to advertise for Mayor (and State SENATOR) Sacco's senior lunch in the SENATOR LOUNGE with SENATOR SCHNITZEL on the menu. All would be restaurateurs listen up: don't name your joint the Cafeteria Bacteria, call it the County Executive or the Congressional Lounge. You'll be guaranteed a steady stream of taxbleed, bread and circus events ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2016 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 22, 2003 at 11:23:12 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show for 10/20/03 To hear the Online audio, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steve Kush posted Message 2017 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 23, 2003 at 13:15:26 Subject: Camden's Third Assemblyman For Immediate Release For additional information contact: Kush and Associates (Steve Kush) Phone: 201-920-2124 Email: steve@kushandassociates.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CAMDEN’S THIRD ASSEMBLYMAN Sires Obviously Owes South Jersey Power Brokers Loyalty Weehawken, NJ (October 17, 2003) - 33rd District Republican Assembly candidates Elise DiNardo and Jose Munoz questioned Assembly speaker Sires’ loyalty today. Shortly after the Democrats took control of the Assembly, Governor McGreevey decided to derail Assemblyman Joseph Doria’s opportunity to become Assembly speaker by supporting previously little-known Sires. South Jersey Democrat boss George Norcross and Camden Assemblyman Joe Roberts led the fight against Doria. Elise DiNardo asked, “How can Sires be expected to fight for the taxpayers of the 33rd District when he owes his rise to Speaker to Camden County leaders?” “Every time we turn around the state is sending money to Camden,” DiNardo continued. “ Norcross and Roberts hand-picked Sires. Now when they put their hand out for Camden, Sires will be there with them. We need leadership in this district, not someone beholden to Camden’s political bosses.” Jose Munoz added, “Norcross and Roberts fought for Sires to become Speaker. Now when they put their hand out for Camden, Sires will be there with them. If Sires remains in the Assembly he will simply become Camden‘s third Assemblyman.” # # # ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2018 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 23, 2003 at 15:16:37 Subject: Remember when? Remember when McGreevey promised Menendez that Doria would be speaker? Seems that South Jersey wasn't able to pull Doria around on a leash. . . To view the NJN News coverage, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steve Kush posted Message 2019 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 24, 2003 at 14:28:43 Subject: Sires Is Silent When Hoboken Is Denied Aid NEWS FROM ELISE DINARDO AND JOSE MUNOZ FOR ASSEMBLY 33RD LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT NEWS RELEASE For Immediate Release For additional information contact: Kush and Associates (Steve Kush) Phone: 201-920-2124 Email: steve@kushandassociates.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CAMDEN’S THIRD ASSEMBLY SHOWS HIS LOYALTY Sires Stood Shoulder To Shoulder With Roberts For Camden Aid But Is Silent When Hoboken Is Denied Aid Weehawken, NJ (October 22, 2003) - The state of New Jersey denied a request of about $500,000 in extraordinary aid. According to a recent news report the state’s Department of Community Affairs said Hoboken was denied aid because the proposed budget doesn’t contain a property tax increase. “What I find amazing is Hoboken, a city in Assemblyman Sires’ district, is denied aid and he is silent,” Assembly candidate Elise DiNardo said. “Sires voted to send $175 million to Camden and does nothing to help Hoboken, in his own district.” Assembly candidate Jose Munoz added, “Sires’ close relationship with South Jersey leaders, George Norcross and Assemblyman Roberts, who backed him to become the Assembly Speaker definitely affects his ability to be loyal to his district.” DiNardo concluded, “Perhaps if Sires fought to stop Governor McGreevey from handing out 700 new non-classified jobs for the politically connected worth $54 million Hoboken would have been given aid.” # # # ***************** End Of Article ****************** Frank Hague posted Message 2020 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 11:01:29 Subject: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired Is it a coincidence that once Brian Dorf was fired that Cunningham has been on a winning streak? DORF was fired because he was a rat and leaked information to Donald Scarinci. Nobody likes a rat no matter how good his hair is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Toby posted Message 2021 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 11:06:54 Subject: I thought Dorf was fired for laziness Wasn't he fired by more Hudson politico's than anyone in history? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Niccolo` posted Message 2022 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 11:12:07 Subject: Dorf's a parisite! He lives off of his Dad's money and his brother's estate! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Babe Ruth posted Message 2023 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 11:22:33 Subject: Check your spelling!!!! I object to the harsh tone used against "parasites" First, how hard can it be to use spell check! Second, comparing Parasites (who are a valuable part of the world's ecology) to Brian Dorf, is offensive to Parasites. We need to distinguish between a necessary organism in Nature's food chain from Brian Dorf for which there is no justification. He was a mole for the HCDO, got fired from every job he had, drives around in his dead brother's corvette, and lives off of his daddy. And think of this. Of all the real winners down in City Hall, Dorf is the only one to manange to get himself fired. And yes, the Cunningham Team has been on a big winning streak since he was canned. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Joe D. - Yankees rule!!!! posted Message 2024 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 11:29:39 Subject: Don't insult parasites Brian "Dorfed" up the administration for a year. No wonder the other side seemed to have the inside stuff at City Hall. All hail Benedict Dorf!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Anonymous Commentator posted Message 2025 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 12:50:17 Subject: Re: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER,” CONT…A SCANDAL THAT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER AND WORSE What I would be interested in is to see the sources and evidence that Mr Glazer has garnered to write this article. If this is all true, I would prefer to see the evidence myself and make an informed decision based on such. As of now the writing style in Mr Glazer's articles hardly seems objective and unbiased as would be the case in true journalism, but rather it seems to be more of the tabloid variety. Additionally, the presentation of his article makes it appear as if everyone associated with Jersey City Medical Center is corrupt and immoral, which I hardly believe would be the case. If there is truly a scandal involving the Liberty Healthcare Administration, I would like to know. But if this is just some attempt to garner more readers by its sensationalism, that is just comtemptible. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Anonymous Commentator posted Message 2026 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 12:57:01 Subject: Re: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER,” CONT…A SCANDAL THAT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER AND WORSE : What I would be interested in is to see the sources and evidence that Mr Glazer has garnered to write this article. If this is all true, I would prefer to see the evidence myself and make an informed decision based on such. : As of now the writing style in Mr Glazer's articles hardly seems objective and unbiased as would be the case in true journalism, but rather it seems to be more of the tabloid variety. : Additionally, the presentation of his article makes it appear as if everyone associated with Jersey City Medical Center is corrupt and immoral, which I hardly believe would be the case. If there is truly a scandal involving the Liberty Healthcare Administration, I would like to know. But if this is just some attempt to garner more readers by its sensationalism, that is just contemptible. I have seen the Surgical Dept Tax Return forms and it certainly does seem questionable that Mr Metsch all of a sudden went from an Dr of Public Heath to a MD. I would be interested in seeing more of this type of evidence presented. If this is all true, why is there not more legal action taken to correct this corruption? ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2027 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 15:55:24 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired :: I thought his hair & goatee made him look like a potential candidate for the lead in a revival of Damn Yankees. : Is it a coincidence that once Brian Dorf was fired that Cunningham has been on a winning streak? : DORF was fired because he was a rat and leaked information to Donald Scarinci. : Nobody likes a rat no matter how good his hair is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dudleytallgrasseduright posted Message 2028 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 16:40:11 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired Hey BJ....who is Dorf ? I'm so out of touch. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Brian Dorf posted Message 2029 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 19:57:28 Subject: Vulgar But Typical To those who read and post on this message board: I received a call today to look at this board. I was a bit astonished to find that my name had been drawn into the venemous exchange going on here. Since leaving Jersey City I have avoided everything to do with politics and I haven't voiced an opinion on any issues nor activities of the administration there. But it has become apparent from a review of postings here that Bill Ayala has become a target for criticism again. And since I have been told he uses many aliases to post on boards like this one, I have no doubt of two things. First he attributes some of the less favorable comments posted here to me. He is mistaken. And second he has chosen to vent in a typically immature and vulgar way. To draw the death of my brother into his political mud-fight is disgusting, yet typifies the psychopathic nature of this individual and ills of this administration. I have never before heard so many negative comments from so many people about one individual as I have about Bill Ayala. And once again he has missed his target. Bill, I have no interest in being party to your mud-slinging. And I will cheer the day when you are flushed from the political pipes of Jersey City. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Fed Up on the Cliffs posted Message 2030 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 21:54:59 Subject: Mayor Turner I would like to give Mayor Richard Turner a big shame on you. While he has done a great job with the keeping taxes down in Weehawken he has failed miserably in other areas. For one he put his tail between his legs and hid when Brian Stack tore apart his Police Department over the death of a Union City teen during a scuffle with a Police Officer. For one the officer was off duty and for another he is innocent until prover guilty. Mayor you should have stood by your department. Mayor Turner has also failed as a leader by being nothing more that Albio Sires' stool pigeon in the recent assembly race, but what else is to be expected by a man who stood side by side with Robert Jeniswski all those years. He uses his power to control his interests and not those of the people. Maybe he was a better choice than the WIN team, but it only makes him the lesser of two evils. Lets all hope that this young woman who is running for the state assembly seat will not only silence house speaker Albio Sires , but also send Mayor Turner into early retirement. CHANGE IS EMINENT! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Agreed posted Message 2031 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 21:56:33 Subject: Re: Mayor Turner : I would like to give Mayor Richard Turner a big shame on you. While he has done a great job with the keeping taxes down in Weehawken he has failed miserably in other areas. For one he put his tail between his legs and hid when Brian Stack tore apart his Police Department over the death of a Union City teen during a scuffle with a Police Officer. For one the officer was off duty and for another he is innocent until prover guilty. Mayor you should have stood by your department. Mayor Turner has also failed as a leader by being nothing more that Albio Sires' stool pigeon in the recent assembly race, but what else is to be expected by a man who stood side by side with Robert Jeniswski all those years. He uses his power to control his interests and not those of the people. Maybe he was a better choice than the WIN team, but it only makes him the lesser of two evils. Lets all hope that this young woman who is running for the state assembly seat will not only silence house speaker Albio Sires , but also send Mayor Turner into early retirement. CHANGE IS EMINENT! See you soon Weehawken and You will be saying boo hoo as this town will see something new. Sorry Mayor but your time is up and enough has been enough ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 2032 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 22:59:58 Subject: WOW !!!! Brian, if it is indeed you posting this, kudos to you for using your own name and fighting back. I've not always agreed with your choice of employers. You might call Gerry McCann, Bob Janiszewski and Glenn Cunningham the rogues gallery of Hudson County politics. But to have someone bring up your dead brother is typical of the many low blows delivered in this forum. It is reprehensible. The one thing I do agree with you on is Bill Ayala. The man is venal, two-faced and totally untrustworthy. He is a worthy chief of staff for one of the worst Administrations in Jersey City's history. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Who cares about has beens posted Message 2033 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 25, 2003 at 23:12:24 Subject: Dorf, Ayala, and Chakotay are all full of it You people must think highly of yourselves. Nothing could further from the truth you are all trash in reality. Your lack of shame allows you to continue to bother good people with the suggestions that any of you matter. A truck driver, and ex-poltical crook and Chakotay idiot of the board. : Brian, if it is indeed you posting this, kudos to you for using your own name and fighting back. : I've not always agreed with your choice of employers. You might call Gerry McCann, Bob Janiszewski and Glenn Cunningham the rogues gallery of Hudson County politics. But to have someone bring up your dead brother is typical of the many low blows delivered in this forum. It is reprehensible. : The one thing I do agree with you on is Bill Ayala. The man is venal, two-faced and totally untrustworthy. He is a worthy chief of staff for one of the worst Administrations in Jersey City's history. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jester posted Message 2034 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 07:05:24 Subject: Cunningham is a joke and should be removed So they seem to have lost the recipe for ice again at the mayors office. How often do you hear intellegent comments about anything from Glenn. The answer is never it where not for Ayala he would have no one to tie his shoes. Basically Glenn Cunningham is the poster child for ADD gone wrong and if the people of Jersey City do not remove him he will through ignorance destroy the city and the county. Glenn's IQ is somewhere between a soil sample and a light switch Jersey City needs a real leader not some greeter. Ayala maybe the only answer to the idiot now in office and Dorf should take it as a statment of honor his removal from the Mayors office. Glenn is a good story gone bad and getting worse. Glenn and other people believe in is their time in the sun well the sun sets rather quickly on fools and idiots Good Bye Glenn wave nicely to the people on you're way to Allenwood. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cunningham is just stupid posted Message 2035 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 07:10:35 Subject: Ayala the Duck and Dorf the Dork Ayala the Duck quacks his way into everything making even dummer comments than his mentor Glenn. At least get some table manners guys the spots and stains on your clothing is amazing considering all the dry cleaning places the sponsor of this madness owns. Bobby boy find another monkey Glenn is really out of his element and not able to serve the people why not use Dork he is for sale and thats the important thing to have in elected officials is'nt it. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's revenge posted Message 2036 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 07:18:38 Subject: Cunningham, Ayala, and Dorf start remedial idiots education Look guys the voters want someone who is their friend and all you need to do is play race cards and shake hands let me do the real deals. Stop trying to think you are not capable of running a complexed urban structure like Jersey City first try a leggo set and try not to cut your hands on the edges. I would come back in 5 minutes to make sure they have not eaten one of the blocks they have an appetite for things that belong to other people like contracts awarded to their friends. End the Cunningham Machine only because its like the clown car at the circus the only purpose it serves is to pack as many clowns as possible into its trunk and Ayala and Glenn are one clown to many. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's revenge posted Message 2037 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 07:21:40 Subject: Bobby's monkey gets a hairball Look what he spit on the rug Glenn the monkey has a hairball I think we shall call it Ayala the duck. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Twerp O'tay posted Message 2038 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 09:36:56 Subject: Jason Blair for County Communication Director Why settle for second best? For County Communication (and Policy) Director we should get us a master liar instead of the middling muddler we've got now ***************** End Of Article ****************** RUNAROUND SUE posted Message 2039 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 11:50:31 Subject: AYALA FIGHTS BACK ONLY WAY HE KNOWS HOW-DIRTY LOW BLOWS AT DORF AND DORFS DEAD BROTHER. D0RF IS GONE. HE IS NOT THE PROBLEM. AYALA IS STILL HERE GUMMING UP THE WORKS THIS GUY MANAGES TO ALIENATE EVERYBODY HE COMES IN CONTACT WITH AND THEN TORPEDOES THEM ASSASINATING THEIR CHARACTER. CUNNINGHAM LISTENS TO THIS MORON AND BELIEVES HIM. CUNNINGHAM HAS NOT NOTICED YET THAT ANYBODY WHO IS NOT AYALA IS EITHER AN ENEMY OR INCOMPETENT, ACCORDING TO AYALA. ANY IDEA THAT DOES NOT COME FROM AYALA IS NO GOOD, EVEN IF AYALA HAS NO IDEA OF HIS OWN. AYALA IS BUSY LOOKING FOR HIS NEXT JOB AT GLENNS EXPENSE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Confused posted Message 2040 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 12:28:56 Subject: Re: AYALA FIGHTS BACK How did Dorf and his deceased brother become the topic of discussion here? I mean hasn't he been gone for a year or so? This board seems to have stooped to a new low when people target a guy and his family like that. : ONLY WAY HE KNOWS HOW-DIRTY LOW BLOWS AT DORF AND DORFS DEAD BROTHER. D0RF IS GONE. HE IS NOT THE PROBLEM. AYALA IS STILL HERE GUMMING UP THE WORKS THIS GUY MANAGES TO ALIENATE EVERYBODY HE COMES IN CONTACT WITH AND THEN TORPEDOES THEM ASSASINATING THEIR CHARACTER. CUNNINGHAM LISTENS TO THIS MORON AND BELIEVES HIM. CUNNINGHAM HAS NOT NOTICED YET THAT ANYBODY WHO IS NOT AYALA IS EITHER AN ENEMY OR INCOMPETENT, ACCORDING TO AYALA. ANY IDEA THAT DOES NOT COME FROM AYALA IS NO GOOD, EVEN IF AYALA HAS NO IDEA OF HIS OWN. AYALA IS BUSY LOOKING FOR HIS NEXT JOB AT GLENNS EXPENSE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Glenn's organ grinder posted Message 2041 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 13:17:18 Subject: Bobby the monkey trainer Forget Glenn and Ayala Bobby should have trained his monkey better. Maybe Glenn is like the now famous tiger in Las Vegas attacking its trainer. Glenn's a monkey with a pet duck called Ayala Dork is no longer an issue he is history having been replaced by a pet duck. Monkeys hate to have pets smarter than they are so good bye Dork hello duck. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2042 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 13:22:30 Subject: Glenn gets caught taking bribes along with PATO An under cover agent from the the FBI has taken several videos of Glenn taking bribes in Bananas thats why Jersey City is a Banana Republic. Monkey Man the Mayor and his pet duck Ayala PATO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2043 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 13:35:00 Subject: Monos and Pato struggle to figure out how to The Monkey Mayor and Pato struggle to figure out how to run a city. They have the sense that if you wear nice clothing and pretend to know what you are doing that works. Imagine a Monkey and a Duck driving a car down an interstate well thats exactly what is happening in the Jersey City Government total absolute idiots run the government. But everything is OK, fine, just doing swell as long as they give the right contracts to the right people. The scenario is very similar to Animal Farm some Pigs are more equal that other Pigs. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2044 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 15:58:39 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 2045 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 26, 2003 at 23:13:40 Subject: Typical Spoken like a true Cunningham Kool Aid drinker. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Donna posted Message 2046 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 00:12:59 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM : Revenge is a dish served best when cold! What did you do to have to go into the program? I sued the government back in the early 80's and won. Ket ne know. ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2047 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 09:04:25 Subject: Re: HCDO ALERT LIFE IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM Ket ne know? Hmmmmmmmmmm.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steve Kush posted Message 2048 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 12:32:39 Subject: SIRES: “TIME IS JUST NOT RIGHT” FOR ETHICS REFORM For Immediate Release For additional information contact: Kush and Associates (Steve Kush) Phone: 201-920-2124 Email: steve@kushandassociates.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SIRES: “TIME IS JUST NOT RIGHT” FOR ETHICS REFORM Coincidentally Sires Has Accepted Campaign Contributions From Joe Barry and Gerard Lisa. Weehawken, NJ (October 27, 2003) - Republican Assembly candidates Elise DiNardo and Jose Munoz continue to question Sires loyalty to the taxpayers of the 33rd Legislative District. According to a recent news report from Gannett State Bureau, “Pay-to- play reforms the governor has touted lie stuck on a shelf, held there by McGreevey’s hand-picked Assembly Speaker Albio Sires, government watchdog Common Cause says.” Coincidentally the Assembly Speaker has, throughout his political career, accepted campaign contributions from Joseph Barry, who has been indicted on a laundry list of charges and Gerard Lisa who has pled guilty to charges stemming from the recent Hudson County political scandal that has, so far, resulted in the conviction of one elected official. “The time for ethics reform could never be more right,” Assembly candidate Elise DiNardo said. “Given Sires’ connections to Abreu, who according to published reports helped raise money for Sires, and the fact that Sires has accepted campaign contributions from Barry and Lisa Mr. Sires should be leading the charge for ethics reform.” Assembly candidate Jose Munoz said, “Considering Mr. Sires’ ties to these unsavory characters he should tell the taxpayers of this district exactly what his connection is with these characters. The people deserve to know why the Assembly Speaker refused to post a bill against pay-to-play that had bipartisan support.” DiNardo added, “A bill, with bipartisan support, passed the state Senate that would end pay-to-play. Sires claimed he did not post that bill because it did not include local governments. A later bill that included local governments also passed the state Senate and Sires never posted that bill. Mr. Sires needs to explain to the people of this district why he has done nothing to reform ethics in this state.” # # # ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2049 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 16:47:24 Subject: Statement of Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham on Jersey City's graduation from the "Distressed Cities" program and welcome of DCA Commissioner Susan Bass-Levin. For the complete text of the speech, please click the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** DD posted Message 2050 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 17:00:26 Subject: Re: Statement of Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham on Jersey City's graduation from the "Distressed Cities" program and welcome of DCA Commissioner Susan Bass-Levin. Great now they can steal even more....o'vey ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 2051 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 17:39:15 Subject: Tonites show. Mayor Cunningham removes JC from distressed Cities program, Halloween 2003 free for the kids of JC at the Landmark Loews theatre, all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio..Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2052 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 19:05:14 Subject: Bergen Record: 32nd District Democrats very confident 32nd District Democrats very confident Monday, October 27, 2003 Bergen Record By PETER J. SAMPSON With a streak of 16 election victories between them and token opposition ahead, state Sen. Nicholas J. Sacco and his Democratic running mates in the Assembly aren't fretting the Nov. 4 showdown in the 32nd District. Hudson County's heavily Democratic precincts haven't sent a Republican to Trenton since 1985, when GOP candidates rode Gov. Thomas H. Kean's coattails to briefly capture the four Assembly seats in the 32nd and 33rd districts. Outgunned in terms of name-recognition, money, and organization, this year's challengers concede that they have little hope of breaking the Democrats' lock. But they say they are in the race to offer voters a choice. Sacco, who is seeking a fourth term, and running mates Anthony Impreveduto of Secaucus and Joan Quigley of Jersey City, who are seeking their ninth and sixth terms, respectively, are waging low-key campaigns. . . . For the complete article, see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's revenge posted Message 2053 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 21:22:17 Subject: Where is Steve Glazer we someone to beat up? I miss little Stevey he was such fun to kick around where oh where did he go? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tony Chiappone posted Message 2054 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 22:05:24 Subject: Pleasure to Meet You in Person! Anthony, it was a pleasure to meet you in person today...Keep up the good work here with this terrific site! Tony :) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 2055 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 27, 2003 at 23:12:11 Subject: The Emperor's New Clothes Now that Glenn has put the City into debt for the next gazillion years he has gotten the City off the distressed Cities list. Not that Jersey City was gonna get that much aid anyway, now that Mayor Man has alienated everyone in Trenton. Now the real "fun" begins. Glenn will no longer have to petition Trenton for permission on new hires. In order to assure his reelection, he will now give jobs to every hack and crony in Ward F. And also line the pockets of his closest lackeys with outrageous pay increases. We can only hope the Federal authorities will get these guys before they go any further. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Anthony Chiappone posted Message 2056 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 28, 2003 at 09:52:59 Subject: TV Ad Online Video: Chiappone For Assembly 2003 To view the video Online, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2057 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 28, 2003 at 11:25:21 Subject: NJN Video: Jersey City Off Distressed Cities List To access the Online Video, please click the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Russo For Council 2003 posted Message 2058 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 28, 2003 at 15:26:27 Subject: Hoboken City Workers Removing Campaign Signs Mayor Dave Roberts has 3 city workers and a police Sgt. removing political signs in a third ward. The police Sgt. was ordered by the mayor through the police chief to escort the city workers as they publicly campaigned for the candidate endorsed by the mayor, while on city time. The city claims to have a city ordinance to remove these posters, when in fact those utility polls do not belong to the city and the ordinance does not pertain to bills or posters displayed on utlity polls. Enclosed are pictures of the city workers performing this act. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 10-07-2002 posted Message 2059 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 28, 2003 at 15:50:35 Subject: Janiszewski Bribery Plea Casts a Wide Net Janiszewski Bribery Plea Casts a Wide Net Jim Edwards New Jersey Law Journal 10-07-2002 As he pleaded guilty in federal court last Thursday, former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski named a county politician with ties to Sen. Robert Torricelli and Rep. Robert Menendez as being one of two people who bribed him for his help in steering county work to contractors. The statement was among the signs that the U.S. attorney's probe into Hudson County is far from over. "There's certainly more to come," said assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Clark, deputy chief of the criminal division. Janiszewski admitted taking more than $100,000 in bribes to recommend contractors to Hudson's freeholders and failing to report the bribe money on his 1999 tax returns. He pleaded guilty to one count of extortion under 18 U.S.C. 1951 and one count of tax evasion under 26 U.S.C. 7201. Janiszewski told U.S. District Judge Joel Pisano that one of the people who ferried about $20,000 in bribes to him was Nidia Davila-Colon, a longtime county freeholder. Colon is also Torricelli's director of community development and a former director of constituent services for Menendez. She is running for re-election on a ticket organized and endorsed by Menendez. Colon, who did not return a call for comment, has been neither charged nor named as a suspect by prosecutors. As part of his plea allocution, however, Janiszewski alleged that Colon's former boyfriend, Dr. Oscar Sandoval, gave Colon $5,000 to give to Janiszewski on a number of occasions. Sandoval's company, Hudson County Psychiatric Associates in Union City, provides services for the county jail and other institutions. Sandoval did not return a call seeking comment. The last delivery, in November, was in Atlantic City, when Janiszewski was taped receiving money in his hotel room at a League of Municipalities convention. Three sources familiar with the investigation previously told the Law Journal that Sandoval was the person on that tape handing Janiszewski the bribe. Assistant U.S. Attorney Clark declined to specify which cash deliveries he believes Colon was involved in. Colon's name first surfaced last June when Gerald McCann -- a former Jersey City mayor who was convicted of corruption himself -- accused her of accepting improper gifts from Sandoval. Colon was quoted by the Jersey Journal on June 12 as saying she was going to sue over the allegation. "I have never hid the fact that I am dating Dr. Sandoval. . . . Nothing I did was improper." The paper said she abstained from voting on his contracts. Another indication that more is to come is that the Sandoval-Colon accusation accounted for only $20,000 of the $100,000 in bribes described by Clark and Janiszewski. Clark declines to talk about who paid the remaining $80,000. "Investigations like this tend to yield other cooperators," he says. Colon is not one of those cooperators, says her attorney, Peter Willis of Willis & Young in Jersey City. "She absolutely denies having any knowledge of the allegations that she knowingly transferred monies from Sandoval to the county executive," he says. The U.S. Attorney's Office has approached Colon seeking an interview. She refuses to talk to the office directly, but Willis met Friday with Clark to discuss Colon's position. "She has no information to give them that would be of any use," he says. Her relationship with Sandoval has ended, he adds. Willis also says Colon remains employed by Torricelli and is not dropping out of the November freeholder race. "This is a situation that's fluid," he says. Paul Byrne, an adviser to Janiszewski and a longtime Hudson County political powerbroker, may be a part of the investigation, according to two lawyers close to it. Asked whether he was a target of the probe, Byrne says "not to my knowledge" and declines further comment. Also on the radar of the U.S. Attorney's Office, but performing more likely as a witness, is Geoffrey Perselay, a solo attorney in Mountainside, according to a lawyer familiar with the investigation. Perselay, who runs a consultancy to assist vendors seeking to win contracts with the county, is a former county administrator under Janiszewski and was once his campaign treasurer. In January 2001, Perselay pushed for a $3 million contract for Aramark to provide food for Hudson County Jail. The contract eventually went to Aramark, the lowest bidder. Darren Maloney, the county's former purchasing agent and now chief financial officer for West New York, is troubled that the "former county administrator was a consultant for a vendor that was doing business with the county." Neither Perselay nor freeholders who voiced concerns about the contract at the time returned calls for comment. ***************** End Of Article ****************** 10-27-2003 posted Message 2060 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 28, 2003 at 16:07:42 Subject: Christie and Defense Lawyer Face Off Over Length of an Informant's Leash; Christie and Defense Lawyer Face Off Over Length of an Informant's Leash; Longshot strategy hopes to derail U.S. attorney's public corruption probe New Jersey Law Journal October 27, 2003 By Jim Edwards This time last year, U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie outlined his strategy for bringing indictments against corrupt politicians: "We try to move as quickly as we possibly can, especially when it involves people who are currently in public office," he said in two interviews with the Law Journal. "It's not something that we're going to drag our feet on." When asked whether this was a new policy, Christie said, "There is one now. I do not believe that these are things that we have the right to allow to linger. We should move quickly. Many times you are dealing with people who are still in public office. They have to be moved swiftly ... in fairness to the public." Since then, more than 30 indictments have been handed up in corruption cases - a clip unparalleled in recent years. But in the past two weeks, the speed of Christie's removal of corrupt officials has come in for criticism following the indictment of two men accused of paying bribes to former Hudson County Executive Robert Janiszewski. Joseph Hayden Jr., the lawyer for one of the men, says prosecutors shilly-shallied after discovering that Janiszewski took bribes for contracts. They left him in place to run the county for at least nine months, and perhaps as long as two years, while he wore a wire. "He should have been removed immediately," Hayden said in a statement. Hayden intends to argue that by leaving Janiszewski in office, the federal prosecutor deprived Hudson County residents of the honest services of local government - a gross due-process violation that warrants dismissal of the case against his client, Hoboken real estate magnate Joe Barry. To bolster that contention, Hayden has retained former state Supreme Court Justice Gary Stein to brief the issue. So, for observers of Christie's anticorruption drive, the question is: Could Hayden have found a weakness in the case? Or is this merely an effort to distract the jury pool with misgivings about prosecutorial conduct? The stakes are high: Janiszewski is the mother lode for Hudson corruption cases. The FBI taped him taking a bribe from a contractor at Bally's hotel in Atlantic City in the fall of 1999. Arresting him the same day outside the building after the cash was passed, the agents persuaded him to wear a wire and tape his associates. Until he resigned in 2001, Janiszewski continued to run the county, the local Democratic Party and regional agencies that handled millions in federal grant money. "If [Hayden] is successful, it definitely has an impact on every prosecution that's been brought where Bobby J is a central figure," says Peter Willis of Willis & Young in Jersey City. Willis represented former Hudson County Freeholder Nidia Davila-Colon, who was convicted this year of ferrying bribes to Janiszewski. The ripples would reach a swath of yet-unfiled cases percolating in Hudson. Christie is dismissive of Hayden's suggestion that federal authorities were in some way complicit in Janiszewski's corruption by monitoring his governance with a sword of Damocles. The day he learned of Hayden's strategy, Christie told reporters, "Bring it on!" "The methods employed here have been used time and again with great success and have always been legally defensible," he said last week through his spokesman. "After Mr. Janiszewki's activities were uncovered, and he began cooperating with the investigation, he was under the microscope of this office and the FBI with no opportunity to continue with corrupt activities." The defense strategy should have come as no surprise to the U.S. attorney. The partner at Roseland's Walder, Hayden & Brogan has used a similar tactic many times before - twice this year already. The strategy works something like this: When a defendant comes under media scrutiny, start by attacking the propriety of the prosecution before the trial gets under way and focus on the evidence later. In May, Hayden made just such a play in the Jayson Williams case, in which the former basketball star is accused of fatally shooting his chauffeur. He asked the judge for a review of the personnel files of five state troopers whom he claimed were racist or had engaged in racial profiling. By simply making his motion, Hayden planted a seed of doubt in the potential jury pool as to investigators' motives. Four months earlier, in the same case, Hayden successfully persuaded the Appellate Division to review whether the prosecution had wronged his client by repeatedly telling the grand jury that he had maintained his right to silence. [The issue was later made moot by a superceding set of grand jury hearings.] In 1995, when he represented a man accused of robbing a jewelry store, Hayden demanded tapes made by the U.S. Attorney's Office of the conversations of Somerset County Prosecutor Nicholas Bissell Jr. The prosecutor later committed suicide when the federal investigation of his corruption became known. And in 1990, Hayden gave this commentary to the Law Journal about state Attorney General Robert Del Tufo's use of two grand juries to prosecute a Teaneck policeman for the fatal shooting of a teenager: "[A] lawyer's first line of attack should be to analyze [the] proceedings and try to show whether the prosecution was so biased that it amounted to a denial of due process." That's exactly what Hayden is doing now for real estate mogul Joe Barry. Hayden and Stein decline to detail their defense or cite supporting statutes or cases. "Whatever arguments we'll advance will be advanced in papers to be filed in federal court," Stein says. Speaking privately, because they have had a prior involvement with the case, former federal prosecutors do not believe the law supports Hayden. The main problem for Hayden, they say, is that even if what he alleges is generally true, it is still hard to show that this specifically affected Barry or his co-indictee, political consultant Paul Byrne, and amounted to a constitutional matter. Jersey City's Willis agrees. "It can't be in its generalized form," he says. But that may not matter. Even if Hayden loses a motion to dismiss, he may succeed in empanelling a jury with one or two members who harbor questions about why the FBI was allowed to run the county for so long. Willis believes that if Hayden can convince a court that Janiszewski was the FBI's puppet, it would lend support to some sort of entrapment argument. In other words, if it were not for the FBI leaving Janiszewski in place, Barry and Byrne [and Colon and indicted freeholder William Braker, for that matter] could not have committed their crimes. "I think he's onto something," Willis says. An entrapment defense can be tricky territory. Willis mounted one for Freeholder Colon, and she was convicted in June of three counts of mail fraud and two counts of aiding attempted extortion. It also runs the risk that potential jurors, fed up with the parade of defendants shuttling between Jersey City and Newark's U.S. District Court, might approve of the FBI's oversight of Hudson County. Christie does not go quite that far, but in his statement last week he said, "We certainly do not believe that the public -- particularly the taxpaying citizens of Hudson County -- would object to the lawful methods employed if they ultimately weeded out those who were stealing from them under the cover of their appointed or elected positions." He added, "The investigative methods had the desired effect of rounding up the greatest number of culpable individuals while assuring that the top targets in this case, Mr. Janiszewski, Mr. Barry, Mr. Byrne, Nidia Colon and others, are made to face the consequences of their actions." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Corey posted Message 2061 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 00:29:36 Subject: Why The Republican Party Let Me Down There is a major problem lurking in the Republican Party right now. I don't know if anyone has noticed... but it's no longer the party of smaller government. I can tell you 5 simple reasons why the Republicans let me down: 1) The budgets keep going up, decade after decade. Check the facts and step on the scale. 2) When was the last time Republicans truly privatized a program? In their whole existence have they ever made a permanent change for less government? They will "reform" things from time to time, but they never privatize programs. 3) Taxes are still going up by a Republican led US Congress and President. Don't be fooled... they are only slowing the rate of taxation. They call this a cut, just like Democrats called Medicare a cut in the 90's. 4) Republicans focus on the wrong issues like flag burning, prayer in school, vouchers, gay marriage, affirmative action, illegal immigration, etc. All these issues don't get to the heart of the matter which is the destructive power, size and influence of government. If Republicans don't want illegal immigrants to use tax-payer funded services, why not privatize the programs instead of fighting the illegal immigrants? Why go after these freedom-loving immigrants who only want to help the economy and make a living like me and you? Why support vouchers when Big Government is in charge of the program and determines who is "suited" for "proper" funding? Is this really freedom and smaller government? I don't think so. 5) And the last reason why they let me down is that the nature of the Republican Party is for big government! Yes, Republicans need government. Why? Because there are many programs or issues they want to regulate or fund like: more immigration police, FCC, NASA, US Post Office, public transportation, farm subsidies, corporate welfare, war on terrorism, wars all over the world, war on drugs, prescription drugs, more Social Security, and thousands of other programs and issues. I was a Republican for 3 years, but during that whole time I had my problems with the Republican Party and their broken promises. I looked for alternatives and challenged my principles, and around the year 2000 I joined the Libertarian Party because it's the only moral, small government, principled party out there. Now they are the largest 3rd party in the US and still continuing to grow. I just wanted to share some of my thoughts with the board since there are some open-minded people out there who think there is something wrong and want to make a change. If you are curious and want more information about the Libertarian Party you can go to www.lp.org. I'd also like to hear your comments. Corey ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2062 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 03:27:22 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2063 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 08:22:21 Subject: Star Ledger: The unconventional 'Mayor Man' The unconventional 'Mayor Man' Cunningham's likely Senate win could make him a 'wild card' in Trenton Star Ledger Wednesday, October 29, 2003 BY JEFF WHELAN Star-Ledger Staff His supporters praise him as a strong-willed mayor and a maverick who took on his own party's formidable political machine and won. His campaign even distributed comic books depicting him as a crime-fighting action hero -- "Mayor Man." To his enemies, he is a ruthless politician who lets his allies do the dirty work of smearing his opponents in unusually personal attacks. He is Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. He already has considerable political clout as the first African-American mayor of the state's second largest city. Next Tuesday, Cunningham, 60, is expected to easily win election to the state Senate, expanding his power significantly. . . . For the complete article, please see the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2064 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 12:15:45 Subject: NJN Video: Teaching Ethics In Hudson County To view the NJN video Online, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 2065 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 16:18:32 Subject: Halloween. Mayor Glenn D Cunningham, The JC Municipal Council, Friends of the Loews and Pat O'Melia host of Hudson County's Talking Present. Halloween 2003 at the Landmark Loews Theatre 54 Journal Square...Live Stage show, Costume Contest three age groups 5 to 8....9 to 12...and 13 to 16, all kids get a trick or treat bag! Admission is free all kids must be accompanied by an adult. Show starts 7PM door close at 8PM. ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2066 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 16:28:30 Subject: Re: Halloween. Pat lets make this about the kids only....No adults permitted without a child! ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2067 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 19:07:15 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking - October 27, 2003 To access Pat O'Melia's broadcast of October 27, 2003 Online, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 2068 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 22:01:18 Subject: Glenn will be there. Masquerading as a Mayor. ***************** End Of Article ****************** red from the hood posted Message 2069 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 22:13:20 Subject: Re: NJN Video: Teaching Ethics In Hudson County : To view the NJN video Online, please click on the Link. ...ethics and hudson in the same sentance...like ayala and intelligence in the same sentence...somethings just make ya laugh ***************** End Of Article ****************** :- posted Message 2070 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 22:17:58 Subject: Re: Halloween. : Pat lets make this about the kids only....No adults permitted without a child! Then mayor man better bring his chief of staff. ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2071 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 29, 2003 at 23:32:46 Subject: Re: Halloween. LMFAO ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2072 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 30, 2003 at 06:07:47 Subject: Cunningham Endorsed By Republican Candidate in 31st Senate Race Cunningham Endorsed By Republican Candidate in 31st Senate Race ***************** End Of Article ****************** e posted Message 2073 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 30, 2003 at 07:30:26 Subject: Re: GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER,” CONT…A SCANDAL THAT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER AND WORSE : GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER,” CONT…A SCANDAL THAT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER AND WORSE : Urban Times News : By Steven Glazer, sglazer@urbantimesnews.com this stuff is true ***************** End Of Article ****************** Insider posted Message 2074 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 30, 2003 at 21:29:09 Subject: why dorf was fired i worked with dorf. he's not a bad guy, he stepped where he didn't belong and attempted to make peace with the north. so he was labeled a traitor for it. and actually, he survived thru more transitions than any other pr director in jc history. guess he did his job. and if you knew your history you would have remembered it was the mayors who kept getting "fired" not the pr guy. he was a survivor. : Wasn't he fired by more Hudson politico's than anyone in history? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 2075 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 30, 2003 at 22:40:36 Subject: Republicans are a joke !!!! This one sounds like it's right out of the Arango playbook. People in these forums are always whining about having a real alternative to the Democratic Party in Hudson County. Well, your alternative is Jose Arango and the gang that couldn't shoot straight. I'm guessing Ms. Mendiola will get some sort of payoff for this. The Republicans will have to pray for the return of their great God Schundler. What a joke !!! Arango has been in bed with both Schundler and Cunningham. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jersey City's version of The Comeback Kid posted Message 2076 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 04:58:06 Subject: Old Acquaintance Jersey City's version of The Comeback Kid Thursday, October 30, 2003 By STEVE STRUNSKY ASSOCIATED PRESS JERSEY CITY - The church basement where Gerry McCann was trying to romance votes out of two dozen elderly ladies seemed worlds away from the richly appointed mayor's office where others had tried to woo him before his ouster in 1992. But McCann was in his element nonetheless. Reveling in every political point he scored at Holy Rosary Senior Citizens Club, McCann was stumping in his latest campaign to recapture elected office, this time in a bid for Hudson County freeholder. Whether reminiscing about the sausage bread at an Italian bakery, or how safe neighborhoods used to be before television and air conditioning swept people off their stoops, McCann, 53, showed he still knew just which buttons to push. "I liked his talk about building all these things for the senior citizens," said Kay Romano, 79, who, like the candidate, is a lifetime Jersey City resident. "I didn't know he did all that." Whether McCann really does deserve the credit or was simply in the right place at the right time, there is no question that the city's once-abandoned waterfront, in particular, has undergone a spectacular transformation that began during McCann's first term. "Part of what I'm doing in this campaign is communicating with the new residents that I was a good mayor," McCann said in an interview. Of his detractors, he said, "They're not saying I didn't do it. They're just saying, 'Oh, Gerry McCann's making it sound like he created the world.''' McCann's own world came tumbling down 11 years ago, when he was removed from office following a federal bank fraud conviction involving a failed development deal unrelated to his official duties. He worked on the deal, to build a marina, after being voted out of office in 1985 and before being voted back in four years later, and was convicted after his second term began. After serving two years in prison, McCann tried twice to win his old mayor's job back, in 1997 and 2001. But state courts blocked him from running for office in Jersey City, which bars candidates convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude." However, courts have ruled that McCann could run for county or state office. ***************** End Of Article ****************** SMAK posted Message 2077 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 07:53:13 Subject: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE from Wally Edge's column: Right here in Hoboken October 30, 2003 Just one week after published reports that he was arrested on a domestic violence charge involving his estranged wife, Bergen County Freeholder LOUIS TEDESCO was a no-show tonight at a ceremony to commemorate the 25th Anniversary of Alternatives to Domestic Violence, a program administered by the county Department of Human Services. Five of the seven Freeholders were in attendance, along with Assemblyman MATTHEW AHEARN. Members of the National Organization of Women were protesting outside the county administration building and calling for Tedesco, the Republican Assembly candidate in the 38th district, to resign. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBVERHIPPY posted Message 2078 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 07:57:47 Subject: Missing Links? While the development of the Jersey City Waterfront certainly took root during the first term of Mayor McCann (I'll leave it to the factions concerned to argue whether progress was because of, or depite Gerry McCann), seeds were planted much earlier. The Federal demolition of the cathedral of corruption that existed under the rule of J. V. Kenny, can not be overlooked. Though, as we are seemingly constantly reminded, the religion of corruption persists here in Hudson County. The young Mayor Paul T. Jordan energetically attempted to remove the weeds that prevented economic growth in Jersey City. Unfortunately, his efforts were hampered by the continuing and accelerating decay plaguing all cities. A number of the political figures from the Jordan regime remained prominent for the next quarter century. Mayor Thomas Smith -- and his persuasive Chief of Staff, Paul Byrne -- found an abandoned zone on Montgomery Street running from the Turnpike to Hamilton Park. This area of blight seemed ready to spread and turn Downtown Jersey City into New Jersey's version of the South Bronx. Mayor Smith's vision Paul Byrne's hard work turned a problem into a vibrant and attractive neighborhood. It's hard to imagine the LeFrak's developing the Waterfront if they were faced by a Downtown little better then a War Zone. Mayor Smith's legacy was a setting conducive to growth. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2079 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 08:00:08 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Just Wondring posted Message 2080 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 09:09:42 Subject: UTN Website Howcome UTN does not have a website? What's up with that? Martin Jackson is the webmaster of the Jersey City website and he is "in charge" of the paper, so how come the UTN has no website? I would like to read the paper but it is very hard to findd. Why is that? ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2081 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 09:56:23 Subject: Re: UTN Website They have some sort of site but it is password protected. No one can gain access. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UrbanTimes News posted Message 2082 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 12:08:49 Subject: CUNNINGHAM GETS REPUBLICAN SENATE CANDIDATE MENDIOLA’S ENDORSEMENT UrbanTimes News UTN NEWS Jersey City—Carmen Mendiola, the Republican candidate for the 31st District Senate Seat also sought by Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham has publicly endorsed Cunningham. “I know Cunningham and what he stands for and I think that he will be a great Senator. We want to unite and not further divide. This about people and not about Party.” Mendiola has been a lifelong registered Republican and worked as assistant corporation counsel during the Schundler administration here. Mendiola said that her decision to throw her support behind Cunningham is in recognition of Cunningham’s long running battle with the Democratic political machine in Hudson County. Mendiola said that she is aware of the crisis and that her decision to support Cunningham is to prevent any more disservice to the people of the district who she says are the victims of machine politics and corruption. “We do not want the people to pay the price for a few bad apples.” Mendiola said that she could easily identify with Cunningham despite party differences because of his well known stand on issues like crime, and quality of life that are universal. As a woman and Hispanic, bilingual at that, Mendiola said that she found it easy to identify with Cunningham as a minority member also. “From what we saw of the negative politicking during the primary race and the HCDO efforts to overturn the the election we feel it is imperative that political affiliations be put aside in order to bring about the best good government for constituents in the 31st district.” Mendiola was born in Cuba and moved to the United States as a child. She ran unopposed for the Republican nomination in June. Mendiola resides and maintains law offices downtown in Jersey City. Deputy Mayor Carl Czyplicki said that what Mendiola is doing is highly commendable, an act of conscience transcending partisan politics. “She is clearly equal to the task with impressive credentials and experience. She is a seasoned attorney with a long back ground in local politics. She is a minority member, an Hispanic woman. But like all of us she recognizes that Glenn Cunningham has won the confidence of so many people in the 31st District. This year the primary election in the 31st District was one of the most interesting in the State. After all the court battles the results after repeated legal tests clearly indicate the will of the people. And that will is that the majority want to be represented by Glenn Cunningham. ” Jose Arango, Republican County Chairman, said of Mendiola, “She is a person that thinks for herself and I have to respect her opinion. As a woman, and a minority member she sees little difference between the position of the Democrats and Republicans on the underlying issues of most concern but instead sees this as a choice against the political machine. That is really what this is about, people against the corrupt machine with its waste and mismanagement.” “Other than that we are family oriented, fiscally and financially conservative. We believe that the elected official must be extremely responsible and accountable to tax payers and homeowners to balance the budget. We need somebody who will be effective in Trenton to bring more funding to Jersey City and Bayonne. “We want good schools for our children, whether public or private. We want to make Hudson County part of this country again, and with the rest of the country work with the two party system, not machine politics. We want to work together to bring the back decency and credibility to the county in the shadow of all these corruption scandals. We want to create balanced government as well as a balanced budget’” ***************** End Of Article ****************** FUDD posted Message 2083 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 15:04:22 Subject: AYALA RULES AYALA IS IN CHARGE OF THE WEBSITE. THAT BOY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS ***************** End Of Article ****************** LillyMae posted Message 2084 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : October 31, 2003 at 23:17:01 Subject: AYALA dribbles Like Jeb Clamput (Paw) on the Beverly Hill-BILLY's used to say... "there's just somthin funda-MENTALLY wrong with that boy. : AYALA IS IN CHARGE OF THE WEBSITE. THAT BOY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS ***************** End Of Article ****************** People for Open Government posted Message 2085 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 01, 2003 at 09:52:17 Subject: 10-31-03 Press Release Press Release October 31, 2003 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: David Musarra (201) 792-3369 John Glasel (201) 533-0435 New Citizens Group Seeks to Open Doors to Local Government Hoboken, NJ— Today it was announced that a new organization, People for Open Government, has been formed by concerned citizens to address key issues that affect the public’s access to government. Its first project will be to improve the flow of information to and from Hoboken’s City Hall. John Glasel, spokesperson for the group, said, “In the United States, government is supposed to be accessible and should exist to serve the people. In Hoboken and in much of Hudson County, many people are not getting the information or the guidance that they need. People for Open Government will actively seek to improve this situation.” The group has developed an “Electronic Access Ordinance” that will soon be presented to Hoboken’s City Council. It will require the city to maintain a comprehensive and up-to-date website and to communicate with citizens via e-mail. “Our citizens are Internet savvy,” said Glasel. “A website that has such things as meeting dates, agendas, minutes of meetings, and information request forms will help our government meet the needs of the community. Interacting with Hoboken’s City Hall often requires residents to take time off from work. It’s much easier for people in towns that put their data on websites and respond to e-mail requests. Hoboken should do no less for its residents.” #### ***************** End Of Article ****************** Big Gipper #42 posted Message 2086 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 02, 2003 at 10:22:26 Subject: Bob J., Robert M., Paul B., and Joe B. all the others It's amazing how upset people get when the truth gets out. Are they mad that Bob J made a deal first, before they had a chance. There hasn't been one proclamation of innoncence other then to say the Feds gave some to long of a leash. Name one big trial Joe Hayden or Jack Arsenault have won. Just one. The same tactic was done during ABSCAM, to no avail. They stole millions from the public, and who knows what real effect they had on development in Hudson County. How many straight honest developers have looked past Hudson County because it wasn't worth it. We will never know. "IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE A DUCK, IT'S A DUCK" Groucho Marx "THE TRUTH IS RARELY PURE, AND HARDLY SIMPLE" Oscar Wilde ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2087 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 02, 2003 at 23:30:59 Subject: Outrageous Martin Jackson, the City's "webmaster", has received a $5,000 increase. This incompetent is now making $63,000 per year. All this money for a no-show job. He obviously can't perform his duties as webmaster, Cunningham and McGee tried to hire a consultant to clean up Martin's mess. $63,000 for the UTN newspaper delivery boy !!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** LMAO posted Message 2088 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 03, 2003 at 02:10:08 Subject: Re: Outrageous Steve Glazer must be JEALOUS! Daddy takin care of Martin not the little butt-boy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NAACP Jersey City Branch posted Message 2089 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 03, 2003 at 04:47:17 Subject: NAACP To File Legal Action Against the Hudson County Democratic Organization against the Hudson County Democratic Organization ***************** End Of Article ****************** BIG BOPPER posted Message 2090 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 03, 2003 at 07:28:31 Subject: MARTIN&AYALA PERFECT TOGETHER. AYALA IS A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN MARTIN. MARTIN IS WHY THE CITY HAS NOT WEBSITE. AYALA PREVENTS ANYTHING GETTING DOEN ABOUT IT. MARTIN IS WHY UTN HAS NO WEBSITE. INCOMPETETENT LIAR. AAYLA INCOMPETENT LIAR. MATCHED PAIR. THEY SHOULD BOTH GET RAISES. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2091 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 03, 2003 at 09:46:41 Subject: Kabili is a joke !!! This man will sell himself to the highest bidder no matter what color they are. First to Schundler, then to Cunningham. People like Kabili Tayari, Viola Richardson, Glenn Cunningham, the Rev. Allen, etc etc .. are the reason Jersey City will soon be like a third world country. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 2092 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 03, 2003 at 14:39:27 Subject: Tonites show topics Infantes trial, Tuesdays elections only one real race McCann Vs Velazquez. Whats a McCann win mean for the HCDO/JCDO? Melissa Holloway resigns from the County. all this and more tonite 9PM WNSW 1430am radio...Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** who is the lawyer....EL-NERDO WEBSTER posted Message 2093 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 03, 2003 at 22:37:05 Subject: Re: NAACP To File Legal Action Against the Hudson County Democratic Organization ROTFLMFAO ***************** End Of Article ****************** 11-02-03 posted Message 2094 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 04, 2003 at 06:10:02 Subject: New York Times: For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. New York Times, New Jersey Section November 2, 2003 For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. By TERRY GOLWAY Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." ***************** End Of Article ****************** G'darn Shame posted Message 2095 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 04, 2003 at 22:13:54 Subject: Re: New York Times: For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. Like him or not, Joe Doria served his community well. We'll just have to see if his successor will be captive of JC's strong-arming, ego-inflated crew or not. Time will tell. : New York Times, New Jersey Section : November 2, 2003 : For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. : By TERRY GOLWAY : Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) : BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. : "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." : Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." : And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. : For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. : Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. : Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. : It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" : Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." : Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." : With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. : Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. : "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. : Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. : That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." : Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." : Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. : Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." : Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. : Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. : The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. : "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. : More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." : The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." : The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." : As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." : Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." : Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. : "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." : Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. : Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. : After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" : Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." : "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." : Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." : That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. : Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. : With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. : "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2096 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 05, 2003 at 06:56:50 Subject: What a Crook of Doo-Doo :::Politics aside, who says Joe "I look like a cardboard cut-out in pictures" Doria has done well by Bayonne? Empty stores & empty lots on Broadway. Whatever happened to the proposed theater? Bayonne has become old Hobokenish in a way but instead of a bar on every corner it's a $0.99 store or Chinese Take-Out. Lost a battleship...to Camden? So when are we finding funds to finish paving Broadway? Uh, like what are we gonna do with the old MOTBY? Seems to me that the police need to take remedial driving courses & pee in the cup a little more often than they do now. Oh, & checking to see what their part time jobs are would not necessarily be a bad thing. And if things were so honky-dory, Bayonne wouldn't have qualified for the 3% sales tax. Can we spell "distressed"? Maybe, if the back door to Joe's office was nailed shut he would have to stick around & actually listen to the problems people are having. : Like him or not, Joe Doria served his community well. We'll just have to see if his successor will be captive of JC's strong-arming, ego-inflated crew or not. Time will tell. : : : New York Times, New Jersey Section : : November 2, 2003 : : For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. : : By TERRY GOLWAY : : Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) : : BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. : : "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." : : Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." : : And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. : : For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. : : Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. : : Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. : : It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" : : Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." : : Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." : : With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. : : Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. : : "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. : : Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. : : That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." : : Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." : : Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. : : Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." : : Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. : : Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. : : The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. : : "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. : : More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." : : The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." : : The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." : : As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." : : Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." : : Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. : : "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." : : Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. : : Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. : : After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" : : Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." : : "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." : : Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." : : That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. : : Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. : : With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. : : "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2097 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 05, 2003 at 10:01:38 Subject: An Albatross’ll Beat an Anchor Any Day An Albatross’ll Beat an Anchor Any Day In the race to election day shore, it was supposed to be that the Dems’d get slowed down by the McGreevey albatross. Turns out, to whatever extent that was true, in the end it didn’t matter, for the Republicans wound up stuck in the mud by the Bennett anchor. This might even turn out to be a worst first of the ship going down with the captain. And that’s just an in particular. Considering the in general, rather little vim and vigor went into the job of making a case against the Gov. Plus, in their campaign dinghy, the NJ Republicans had only that one oar. No State-wide message of Republican ideals ever made it to deck. So the Republican effort was doomed at the dock to meander about in circles. And even that was only managed marginally. The many McGreevey flagrant failures needed to be descried by one and all as a flapping Jolly Roger on the horizon. Simply, the Republicans failed to show that. But, even if the maneuver was a success, the spyglass still had to show the Democrat legislators as the crew of the Pirate’s ship. Basically, that wasn’t even attempted. People have criticized Hudson County Republican Chairman Jose Arango. I'd say that he has a lot to be proud of this morning. With no resources (and after endorsing her Democratic opponent), Carmen Mendiola still managed over 16% of the vote. Rafael Fraguela did a good job in creating a presence, winning almost 20%. (I think that Fraguela could have done even better. But, he was too much of a gentleman to get into a wrestling match in the gutter with Bernard Kenny.) Out-manned and out-gunned, the Hudson County Republicans were defeated. That's nothing to be ashamed of. The Republican organizations in the many districts that had a real chance of winning, but threw it away, those Chairs deserve disgrace. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2098 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 05, 2003 at 11:42:22 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show: November 3, 2003 To listen to the Online Recording, please click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Smitty posted Message 2099 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 05, 2003 at 12:01:05 Subject: Re: What a Crook of Doo-Doo : :::Politics aside, who says Joe "I look like a cardboard cut-out in pictures" Doria has done well by Bayonne? : Empty stores & empty lots on Broadway. Whatever happened to the proposed theater? Bayonne has become old Hobokenish in a way but instead of a bar on every corner it's a $0.99 store or Chinese Take-Out. : Lost a battleship...to Camden? : So when are we finding funds to finish paving Broadway? : Uh, like what are we gonna do with the old MOTBY? : Seems to me that the police need to take remedial driving courses & pee in the cup a little more often than they do now. Oh, & checking to see what their part time jobs are would not necessarily be a bad thing. : And if things were so honky-dory, Bayonne wouldn't have qualified for the 3% sales tax. Can we spell "distressed"? : Maybe, if the back door to Joe's office was nailed shut he would have to stick around & actually listen to the problems people are having. : What a bunch of sour grapes. I have a feeling this poster, BJ, isn't a Bayonneite just a Cunningham lackie from JC. Everybody around the State is wrong but you know what is best for us. Check and you will see the people of Bayonne overwhelmingly support the Mayor in every election he has been in. It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton. And FYI, Broadway is being repaved now, its no longer MOTBY its the Peninsula and we got it 400 acres of waterfront property to develop for free thanks to Mayor Doria and Bob Menendez, the UEZ zone has been a great success and btw how are Central, Bergen, Monticello and Newark Avenues doing under your nitwit Mayor. Can you say, see ya in 2005? : : : Like him or not, Joe Doria served his community well. We'll just have to see if his successor will be captive of JC's strong-arming, ego-inflated crew or not. Time will tell. : : : : : New York Times, New Jersey Section : : : November 2, 2003 : : : For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. : : : By TERRY GOLWAY : : : Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) : : : BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. : : : "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." : : : Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." : : : And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. : : : For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. : : : Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. : : : Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. : : : It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" : : : Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." : : : Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." : : : With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. : : : Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. : : : "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. : : : Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. : : : That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." : : : Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." : : : Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. : : : Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." : : : Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. : : : Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. : : : The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. : : : "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. : : : More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." : : : The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." : : : The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." : : : As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." : : : Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." : : : Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. : : : "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." : : : Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. : : : Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. : : : After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" : : : Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." : : : "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." : : : Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." : : : That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. : : : Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. : : : With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. : : : "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2100 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 05, 2003 at 13:03:14 Subject: Wow ...this is great! What a great day today is. Ray is my freeholder. The voters came out and said, "Oh no you don't Gerry!" For Cruz your people acted like street punks and you deserved to loose. Carl kudos' for taking the high road and running your campaign like a grown-up. The Democrats won huge in the state and now are in full control both houses. Glenn Cunningham: You have angered off both sides; your vote will not make or break anything. It is time for you to grow up. You are what you hang with and when the mayoral elections come up it will be A.B.C. all the way...Anyone But Cunningham! (Great line whoever thought of it?) As for Doria , Elba and Harvey Smith if I lived in the 31st I would have done a write in and vote for you three. However, I live in the 33rd. When I my voted for the H.C.D.O. Ticket you three candidates were their in spirit. BTW, congrats to DeGise and Incaln you are both exemplary. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BROBIN posted Message 2101 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 05, 2003 at 20:09:54 Subject: Re: SUPREME COURT THROWS OUT HCDO EMERGENT APPEAL OF ELECTION CASE : sglazer@urbantimesnews.com I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD IN THE POLITICAL HISTORY OF NEW JERSEY, ANY LIMITS ON PRIMARY SPENDING. IF IT IS AGAINST THE LAW NOW, IT WAS THEN. SO LETS ROLL BACK HISTORY, AND SUE EVERYONE WHO VIOLATED THE LAW. AND IF THEY ARE DEAD, WE CAN SUE THEIR FAMILES. BE CAREFUL OF THE CAN OF WORMS YOU THINK YOU ARE OPENING. YOU WILL OPEN UP THE DOOR TO A HOST OF OTHER PROBLEMS, AND FIND, THAT THOSE WHO STARTED THIS, MAY END UP BEING THE ONES WITH THEIR HEADS ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. I AM ONLY SAYING, TRED SOFTLY. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dear Smitty posted Message 2102 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 05, 2003 at 22:56:27 Subject: Re: What a Crook of Doo-Doo >Why the anger & hostility? My, my, one would think this was personal. I take umbrage to a Times article & in a classic HCDO move, we attack personally & convolute. The only truth you stated was that I'm not a Bayonne resident. However, my brother has lived & worked there for 25 years. I have friends there for almost 30 years. My father worked there for over 30 years. I worked there for a couple of years & dated a guy or two. Maybe, just maybe mind you, I might know something. I am not civil service & am no one's lackey. Everybody around the state is wrong but I know what is best for you? What's that supposed to mean? You make no sense. Bayonne has overwhelmingly supported the Mayor in every election he has been in. The key words here are "has" & "has been". His recent behaviour has more than one person thinking. But people do have short memories. It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton? My dear Snitty, Glenn has not yet gone! I believe he will be sworn in after January. But the extremely racist HCDO did send Mr.(the great white hope) Smith to Trenton as interim senator. A brilliant tactical move, in my opinion. I know Broadway is being repaved as we bicker & type. I asked when is was going to be finished. Pardon my lack of political correctness, the Peninsula (by any other name would still be the MOTBY). We got it 400 acres? Please, if you were educated in Bayonne, don't let anyone know. You'll embarass the school system. Of course the UEZ is a great success. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that an item with 3% sales tax is less than an item with 6% sales tax. But UEZ=Distressed. So asking how the shopping areas in JC are makes what point? I shop Broadway at times. You have some wonderful $0.99 stores. Every statement I made in my original post was true. But convolute if it makes you feel better. It so detracts that the original issue is lost & therefore you must be right. Also note, that with the exception of questioning your education, I have not attacked you personally. And if you think Bayonne just loves Mr. Doria may I suggest the following link: http://www.nj.com/forums/bayonne/ Have a good evening. : : :::Politics aside, who says Joe "I look like a cardboard cut-out in pictures" Doria has done well by Bayonne? : : Empty stores & empty lots on Broadway. Whatever happened to the proposed theater? Bayonne has become old Hobokenish in a way but instead of a bar on every corner it's a $0.99 store or Chinese Take-Out. : : Lost a battleship...to Camden? : : So when are we finding funds to finish paving Broadway? : : Uh, like what are we gonna do with the old MOTBY? : : Seems to me that the police need to take remedial driving courses & pee in the cup a little more often than they do now. Oh, & checking to see what their part time jobs are would not necessarily be a bad thing. : : And if things were so honky-dory, Bayonne wouldn't have qualified for the 3% sales tax. Can we spell "distressed"? : : Maybe, if the back door to Joe's office was nailed shut he would have to stick around & actually listen to the problems people are having. : : What a bunch of sour grapes. I have a feeling this poster, BJ, isn't a Bayonneite just a Cunningham lackie from JC. Everybody around the State is wrong but you know what is best for us. Check and you will see the people of Bayonne overwhelmingly support the Mayor in every election he has been in. It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton. And FYI, Broadway is being repaved now, its no longer MOTBY its the Peninsula and we got it 400 acres of waterfront property to develop for free thanks to Mayor Doria and Bob Menendez, the UEZ zone has been a great success and btw how are Central, Bergen, Monticello and Newark Avenues doing under your nitwit Mayor. Can you say, see ya in 2005? : : : : : Like him or not, Joe Doria served his community well. We'll just have to see if his successor will be captive of JC's strong-arming, ego-inflated crew or not. Time will tell. : : : : : : : New York Times, New Jersey Section : : : : November 2, 2003 : : : : For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. : : : : By TERRY GOLWAY : : : : Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) : : : : BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. : : : : "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." : : : : Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." : : : : And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. : : : : For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. : : : : Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. : : : : Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. : : : : It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" : : : : Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." : : : : Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." : : : : With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. : : : : Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. : : : : "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. : : : : Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. : : : : That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." : : : : Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." : : : : Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." : : : : Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. : : : : Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. : : : : The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. : : : : "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. : : : : More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." : : : : The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." : : : : The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." : : : : As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." : : : : Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." : : : : Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. : : : : "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. : : : : Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. : : : : After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" : : : : Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." : : : : "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." : : : : Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." : : : : That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. : : : : Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. : : : : With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. : : : : "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jose Munoz posted Message 2103 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 00:17:07 Subject: From Munoz Hi board, I will like to thank everyone, those who supporter us and those who did not. As you all know is very hard to run an election were you are outspent and outnumbered. But the important thing is that I was able to bring issue into the public and give a choice to those who believe the HCDO is not doing a good job in our county. This is the start of my political career and the support that I got showed me that if I continue to work with the community I could be elected and become a public servant. It was a learning experience and one i will never forget. From the bottom of my heart I thank all of you for your support, Jose Munoz ***************** End Of Article ****************** poor hudson posted Message 2104 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 02:22:05 Subject: Re: Wow ...this is great! Poor Hudson County, some people voted and voted often! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bananna Counter posted Message 2105 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 05:06:16 Subject: Re: Outrageous Think those numbers are bad? check out Billy-boy's compensation package. Besides his 90+ salary (which will soon go over a hundred thousand with his double dipping in Trenton) there's his law school tuition, his car and insurance, and of course vacation and benefits. Not even counting conventions and other perks he slops up monthly, the Grand Freakin total....Approximately------> $135,000 to $160,000 per year!!!!! : Steve Glazer has reason to be JEALOUS! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Smitty posted Message 2106 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 10:09:41 Subject: Re: What a Crook of Doo-Doo : >Why the anger & hostility? My, my, one would think this was personal. I take umbrage to a Times article & in a classic HCDO move, we attack personally & convolute. : The only truth you stated was that I'm not a Bayonne resident. However, my brother has lived & worked there for 25 years. I have friends there for almost 30 years. My father worked there for over 30 years. I worked there for a couple of years & dated a guy or two. Maybe, just maybe mind you, I might know something. : I am not civil service & am no one's lackey. : Everybody around the state is wrong but I know what is best for you? What's that supposed to mean? : You make no sense. : Bayonne has overwhelmingly supported the Mayor in every election he has been in. The key words here are "has" & "has been". His recent behaviour has more than one person thinking. But people do have short memories. : It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton? : My dear Snitty, Glenn has not yet gone! I believe he will be sworn in after January. But the extremely racist HCDO did send Mr.(the great white hope) Smith to Trenton as interim senator. A brilliant tactical move, in my opinion. : I know Broadway is being repaved as we bicker & type. I asked when is was going to be finished. : Pardon my lack of political correctness, the Peninsula (by any other name would still be the MOTBY). : We got it 400 acres? Please, if you were educated in Bayonne, don't let anyone know. You'll embarass the school system. : Of course the UEZ is a great success. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that an item with 3% sales tax is less than an item with 6% sales tax. But UEZ=Distressed. So asking how the shopping areas in JC are makes what point? I shop Broadway at times. You have some wonderful $0.99 stores. : Every statement I made in my original post was true. But convolute if it makes you feel better. It so detracts that the original issue is lost & therefore you must be right. : Also note, that with the exception of questioning your education, I have not attacked you personally. : And if you think Bayonne just loves Mr. Doria may I suggest the following link: : http://www.nj.com/forums/bayonne/ : : Have a good evening. : : : : :::Politics aside, who says Joe "I look like a cardboard cut-out in pictures" Doria has done well by Bayonne? : : : Empty stores & empty lots on Broadway. Whatever happened to the proposed theater? Bayonne has become old Hobokenish in a way but instead of a bar on every corner it's a $0.99 store or Chinese Take-Out. : : : Lost a battleship...to Camden? : : : So when are we finding funds to finish paving Broadway? : : : Uh, like what are we gonna do with the old MOTBY? : : : Seems to me that the police need to take remedial driving courses & pee in the cup a little more often than they do now. Oh, & checking to see what their part time jobs are would not necessarily be a bad thing. : : : And if things were so honky-dory, Bayonne wouldn't have qualified for the 3% sales tax. Can we spell "distressed"? : : : Maybe, if the back door to Joe's office was nailed shut he would have to stick around & actually listen to the problems people are having. : : : What a bunch of sour grapes. I have a feeling this poster, BJ, isn't a Bayonneite just a Cunningham lackie from JC. Everybody around the State is wrong but you know what is best for us. Check and you will see the people of Bayonne overwhelmingly support the Mayor in every election he has been in. It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton. And FYI, Broadway is being repaved now, its no longer MOTBY its the Peninsula and we got it 400 acres of waterfront property to develop for free thanks to Mayor Doria and Bob Menendez, the UEZ zone has been a great success and btw how are Central, Bergen, Monticello and Newark Avenues doing under your nitwit Mayor. Can you say, see ya in 2005? : : : : : : : Like him or not, Joe Doria served his community well. We'll just have to see if his successor will be captive of JC's strong-arming, ego-inflated crew or not. Time will tell. : : : : : : : : : New York Times, New Jersey Section : : : : : November 2, 2003 : : : : : For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. : : : : : By TERRY GOLWAY : : : : : Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) : : : : : BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. : : : : : "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." : : : : : Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." : : : : : And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. : : : : : For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. : : : : : Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. : : : : : Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. : : : : : It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" : : : : : Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." : : : : : Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." : : : : : With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. : : : : : Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. : : : : : "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. : : : : : Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. : : : : : That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." : : : : : Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." : : : : : Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. : : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." : : : : : Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. : : : : : Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. : : : : : The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. : : : : : "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. : : : : : More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." : : : : : The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." : : : : : The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." : : : : : As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." : : : : : Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." : : : : : Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. : : : : : "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." : : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. : : : : : Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. : : : : : After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" : : : : : Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." : : : : : "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." : : : : : Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." : : : : : That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. : : : : : Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. : : : : : With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. : : : : : "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." BJ, its crock not crook brain surgeon. So every city in the UEZ is distressed? And if distressed equals more state aid then distress me please. And Joe Doria continues to enjoy the support of Bayonne people. On Tuesday Tom Degise received far more votes than Chiappone or Cunningham because of the support of Joe Doria. And the salutations from people throughout the state from both sides of the aisle are equalized by a mysterious poster on a remote message board dominated by the racist rantings of an illiterate newspaper. And I suppose the card board cut out comment is not a personal smear. Hey lady stay on your side of the border and let Bayonne tend to their own affairs. Glad none of those guys you dated decided to bring you to our town. P.S. What kind of nickname is BJ for a lady? ***************** End Of Article ****************** smilepop posted Message 2107 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 10:26:06 Subject: Re: Wow ...this is great! :Hudson County, some people voted and voted the right way! ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2108 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 13:15:11 Subject: Are we talking about Ayala ? If he's getting that much, that is REALLY outrageous. ***************** End Of Article ****************** hudson county employyes posted Message 2109 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 14:08:20 Subject: Re: Wow ...this is great! They had the county employees on the street getting votes or else lose their jobs (is that democracy). One came to me crying to please vote democrat, that he had to feed his poor children and that if he did not get enough votes in his distric he would be fired. Hudson County, the place where people vote often and death people still vote! Feds feds please stop the corruption... ***************** End Of Article ****************** No that is The Jimmy King Way posted Message 2110 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 15:23:35 Subject: Should read...... : They had the city employees on the street getting votes or else lose their jobs (is that democracy). One came to me crying to please vote democrat, that he had to feed his poor children and that if he did not get enough votes in his distric he would be fired. : City Hall, the place where people vote often and death people still vote! Feds feds please stop the corruption... ***************** End Of Article ****************** 11-6-03 posted Message 2111 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 18:21:57 Subject: Ball in Gov's Court Democrats' win not an affirmation of McGreevey Thursday, November 6, 2003 By HERB JACKSON RECORD COLUMNIST . . . Another senator-elect is someone McGreevey took the unusual step of actively campaigning against in the June primary, Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. . . . ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dear Smitty posted Message 2112 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 19:48:19 Subject: Re: What a Crook of Doo-Doo > Once again, for whatever reasons, you have made this a personal attack on me. Read the post again. I did date a couple of men from Bayonne. So, I am not allowed to post on a remote message board dominated by racist rantings of an illiterate newspaper? I'm afraid we will have to defer to Anthony for any judgement; afterall, it is his board. The card board cut out remark is not a personal smear, it is an observation. Look at just about every picture of Mr. Doria & you will see the same pose, same angle, same smile, same stance. I made no disparaging remarks about any physical attributes. In fact, for a larger man, Mr. Doria presents a polished appearance; showing a fine sense of his own style. As for the UEZ, there is a criteria. Here is the link: http//www.bayonnenj.org/uez/ It is geared to stimulate. Since the loss of the base & I believe about 1200 jobs, trickle down economics, not a good kind, has been in place. Recovery has been slow so everything is not honky-Doria (that's a joke). But once again, you have strayed from my original post. When all else fails, personally attack & convolute. Tom DeG & Tony Chiappone were not even part of my post & you bring them into it. I mention Mr. Doria, by name, twice & you make it the hall mark of your posts. My, my, my. And please, do not take this personally, but I am sure Bayonne Hosp, a fine institution, which saved my brother's (the Bayonne resident) life, surely has some sort of anger management course. I couldn't bear it if I was a contributing factor in your high blood pressure, stroke or heart attack. BTW, I had dinner with friends (from Bayonne) at San Vito's last Friday nite. Good food, good friends - just a few of the things that makes life worthwhile. : : >Why the anger & hostility? My, my, one would think this was personal. I take umbrage to a Times article & in a classic HCDO move, we attack personally & convolute. : : The only truth you stated was that I'm not a Bayonne resident. However, my brother has lived & worked there for 25 years. I have friends there for almost 30 years. My father worked there for over 30 years. I worked there for a couple of years & dated a guy or two. Maybe, just maybe mind you, I might know something. : : I am not civil service & am no one's lackey. : : Everybody around the state is wrong but I know what is best for you? What's that supposed to mean? : : You make no sense. : : Bayonne has overwhelmingly supported the Mayor in every election he has been in. The key words here are "has" & "has been". His recent behaviour has more than one person thinking. But people do have short memories. : : It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton? : : My dear Snitty, Glenn has not yet gone! I believe he will be sworn in after January. But the extremely racist HCDO did send Mr.(the great white hope) Smith to Trenton as interim senator. A brilliant tactical move, in my opinion. : : I know Broadway is being repaved as we bicker & type. I asked when is was going to be finished. : : Pardon my lack of political correctness, the Peninsula (by any other name would still be the MOTBY). : : We got it 400 acres? Please, if you were educated in Bayonne, don't let anyone know. You'll embarass the school system. : : Of course the UEZ is a great success. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that an item with 3% sales tax is less than an item with 6% sales tax. But UEZ=Distressed. So asking how the shopping areas in JC are makes what point? I shop Broadway at times. You have some wonderful $0.99 stores. : : Every statement I made in my original post was true. But convolute if it makes you feel better. It so detracts that the original issue is lost & therefore you must be right. : : Also note, that with the exception of questioning your education, I have not attacked you personally. : : And if you think Bayonne just loves Mr. Doria may I suggest the following link: : : http://www.nj.com/forums/bayonne/ : : : : Have a good evening. : : : : : : : :::Politics aside, who says Joe "I look like a cardboard cut-out in pictures" Doria has done well by Bayonne? : : : : Empty stores & empty lots on Broadway. Whatever happened to the proposed theater? Bayonne has become old Hobokenish in a way but instead of a bar on every corner it's a $0.99 store or Chinese Take-Out. : : : : Lost a battleship...to Camden? : : : : So when are we finding funds to finish paving Broadway? : : : : Uh, like what are we gonna do with the old MOTBY? : : : : Seems to me that the police need to take remedial driving courses & pee in the cup a little more often than they do now. Oh, & checking to see what their part time jobs are would not necessarily be a bad thing. : : : : And if things were so honky-dory, Bayonne wouldn't have qualified for the 3% sales tax. Can we spell "distressed"? : : : : Maybe, if the back door to Joe's office was nailed shut he would have to stick around & actually listen to the problems people are having. : : : : What a bunch of sour grapes. I have a feeling this poster, BJ, isn't a Bayonneite just a Cunningham lackie from JC. Everybody around the State is wrong but you know what is best for us. Check and you will see the people of Bayonne overwhelmingly support the Mayor in every election he has been in. It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton. And FYI, Broadway is being repaved now, its no longer MOTBY its the Peninsula and we got it 400 acres of waterfront property to develop for free thanks to Mayor Doria and Bob Menendez, the UEZ zone has been a great success and btw how are Central, Bergen, Monticello and Newark Avenues doing under your nitwit Mayor. Can you say, see ya in 2005? : : : : : : : : : Like him or not, Joe Doria served his community well. We'll just have to see if his successor will be captive of JC's strong-arming, ego-inflated crew or not. Time will tell. : : : : : : : : : : : New York Times, New Jersey Section : : : : : : November 2, 2003 : : : : : : For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. : : : : : : By TERRY GOLWAY : : : : : : Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) : : : : : : BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. : : : : : : "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." : : : : : : Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." : : : : : : And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. : : : : : : For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. : : : : : : Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. : : : : : : Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. : : : : : : It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" : : : : : : Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." : : : : : : Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." : : : : : : With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. : : : : : : Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. : : : : : : "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. : : : : : : Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. : : : : : : That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." : : : : : : Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." : : : : : : Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. : : : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." : : : : : : Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. : : : : : : Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. : : : : : : The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. : : : : : : "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. : : : : : : More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." : : : : : : The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." : : : : : : The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." : : : : : : As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." : : : : : : Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." : : : : : : Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. : : : : : : "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." : : : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. : : : : : : Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. : : : : : : After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" : : : : : : Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." : : : : : : "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." : : : : : : Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." : : : : : : That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. : : : : : : Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. : : : : : : With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. : : : : : : "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." : BJ, its crock not crook brain surgeon. So every city in the UEZ is distressed? And if distressed equals more state aid then distress me please. And Joe Doria continues to enjoy the support of Bayonne people. On Tuesday Tom Degise received far more votes than Chiappone or Cunningham because of the support of Joe Doria. And the salutations from people throughout the state from both sides of the aisle are equalized by a mysterious poster on a remote message board dominated by the racist rantings of an illiterate newspaper. And I suppose the card board cut out comment is not a personal smear. Hey lady stay on your side of the border and let Bayonne tend to their own affairs. Glad none of those guys you dated decided to bring you to our town. P.S. What kind of nickname is BJ for a lady? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dear Smitty posted Message 2113 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 06, 2003 at 20:29:21 Subject: Re: What a Crook of Doo-Doo >I really, really think you should read the posts that can be found in the following link: http://www.nj.com/forums/bayonne/ : : >Why the anger & hostility? My, my, one would think this was personal. I take umbrage to a Times article & in a classic HCDO move, we attack personally & convolute. : : The only truth you stated was that I'm not a Bayonne resident. However, my brother has lived & worked there for 25 years. I have friends there for almost 30 years. My father worked there for over 30 years. I worked there for a couple of years & dated a guy or two. Maybe, just maybe mind you, I might know something. : : I am not civil service & am no one's lackey. : : Everybody around the state is wrong but I know what is best for you? What's that supposed to mean? : : You make no sense. : : Bayonne has overwhelmingly supported the Mayor in every election he has been in. The key words here are "has" & "has been". His recent behaviour has more than one person thinking. But people do have short memories. : : It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton? : : My dear Snitty, Glenn has not yet gone! I believe he will be sworn in after January. But the extremely racist HCDO did send Mr.(the great white hope) Smith to Trenton as interim senator. A brilliant tactical move, in my opinion. : : I know Broadway is being repaved as we bicker & type. I asked when is was going to be finished. : : Pardon my lack of political correctness, the Peninsula (by any other name would still be the MOTBY). : : We got it 400 acres? Please, if you were educated in Bayonne, don't let anyone know. You'll embarass the school system. : : Of course the UEZ is a great success. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that an item with 3% sales tax is less than an item with 6% sales tax. But UEZ=Distressed. So asking how the shopping areas in JC are makes what point? I shop Broadway at times. You have some wonderful $0.99 stores. : : Every statement I made in my original post was true. But convolute if it makes you feel better. It so detracts that the original issue is lost & therefore you must be right. : : Also note, that with the exception of questioning your education, I have not attacked you personally. : : And if you think Bayonne just loves Mr. Doria may I suggest the following link: : : http://www.nj.com/forums/bayonne/ : : : : Have a good evening. : : : : : : : :::Politics aside, who says Joe "I look like a cardboard cut-out in pictures" Doria has done well by Bayonne? : : : : Empty stores & empty lots on Broadway. Whatever happened to the proposed theater? Bayonne has become old Hobokenish in a way but instead of a bar on every corner it's a $0.99 store or Chinese Take-Out. : : : : Lost a battleship...to Camden? : : : : So when are we finding funds to finish paving Broadway? : : : : Uh, like what are we gonna do with the old MOTBY? : : : : Seems to me that the police need to take remedial driving courses & pee in the cup a little more often than they do now. Oh, & checking to see what their part time jobs are would not necessarily be a bad thing. : : : : And if things were so honky-dory, Bayonne wouldn't have qualified for the 3% sales tax. Can we spell "distressed"? : : : : Maybe, if the back door to Joe's office was nailed shut he would have to stick around & actually listen to the problems people are having. : : : : What a bunch of sour grapes. I have a feeling this poster, BJ, isn't a Bayonneite just a Cunningham lackie from JC. Everybody around the State is wrong but you know what is best for us. Check and you will see the people of Bayonne overwhelmingly support the Mayor in every election he has been in. It was the racist Mayor of JC who deprived us of our rightful representative in Trenton. And FYI, Broadway is being repaved now, its no longer MOTBY its the Peninsula and we got it 400 acres of waterfront property to develop for free thanks to Mayor Doria and Bob Menendez, the UEZ zone has been a great success and btw how are Central, Bergen, Monticello and Newark Avenues doing under your nitwit Mayor. Can you say, see ya in 2005? : : : : : : : : : Like him or not, Joe Doria served his community well. We'll just have to see if his successor will be captive of JC's strong-arming, ego-inflated crew or not. Time will tell. : : : : : : : : : : : New York Times, New Jersey Section : : : : : : November 2, 2003 : : : : : : For Joseph Doria, A Rare Election. He's Not Running. : : : : : : By TERRY GOLWAY : : : : : : Caption: Photos: Joseph V. Doria who lost his speakership and then his Assembly seat, walked away with a reputation as a "legislator's legislator." (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 1); Though no longer in the Legislature, Joseph V. Doria remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city that bears few of the scars that have disfigured much of urban New Jersey. (Photo by Dith Pran/The New York Times)(pg. 8) : : : : : : BAYONNE: JOSEPH V. DORIA JR., the senior member of the state Assembly and keeper of its institutional memory, shifted in his chair when a visitor mentioned the word "tragedy." While certainly overstated, it was the word Mr. Doria's friends and allies chose when describing what happened to him this summer. : : : : : : "I don't know if it was a tragedy," he said. "What is meant to be is meant to be." : : : : : : Push him a little more, however, and Mr. Doria becomes a bit less philosophical. "I believe," he added, "that I got whipsawed." : : : : : : And that, his friends argue, was not meant to be. : : : : : : For the first time in a generation, the name of Joseph V. Doria will not appear on the ballot in Tuesday's state legislative elections. A onetime speaker and leader of the Assembly Democrats during their decade in the minority, Mr. Doria, 57, lost his re-election bid in a Democratic primary in June. : : : : : : Neither ideology nor issues figured much in his demise. He was collateral damage in the bitter and bloody civil war between Mayor Glenn Cunningham of Jersey City and Representative Robert Menendez for a control of that celebrated -- and often notorious -- institution, the Hudson County Democratic Organization. : : : : : : Mr. Doria was part of a three-member slate of regular Democrats that lost to Mr. Cunningham's insurgent team in the party primary. Mr. Doria lost by about 500 votes. First elected to the Assembly in 1979, he will leave office in January, although his career is far from finished. He remains the mayor of Bayonne, a vibrant city of 62,000 that bears few of the scars that have disfigured so much of urban New Jersey. : : : : : : It was in Trenton, however, that Joseph Doria became a player in New Jersey politics. While his name never became particularly well-known outside of his district, Mr. Doria needed no introductions when he walked the State House halls. A husky man with a beard and a doctorate from Columbia Teachers College (in educational leadership), Mr. Doria gained a reputation for his affability as well as his command of issues. Donald Scarinci, a Hudson County attorney who was Mr. Doria's counsel in the speaker's office, described his former boss as "the Sam Rayburn of New Jersey," referring to the legendary Texan who served as House speaker for all but four years from 1940 to 1961. "That's the kind of stature he had," Mr. Scarinci added. "He was a legislator's legislator" : : : : : : Few politicians get to lead a caucus as long as Mr. Doria led the Assembly Democrats - a dozen years. Fewer manage to gain the respect and even affection of the opposition. But Mr. Doria did. "Nobody ever asked Joe Doria for an audience and was denied," said one longtime lobbyist, Alan Marcus. "It didn't matter whether you were a contributor, or a friend, or not. Joe wanted to hear all points of view. He was the most policy-oriented legislator I've ever seen." : : : : : : Alan Steinberg, a former Whitman administration official who was an adviser to Mr. Doria's Republican successor as speaker, Garabed Haytaian, agreed. "In the New Jersey Assembly, Joe was a person of unquestioned decency and boundless compassion," Mr. Steinberg said. "For Republicans, he was a political adversary without being a personal enemy." : : : : : : With his impressive resume (a bachelor's degree in history from St. Peter's College and a master's in American studies from Boston College to go along with his doctorate from Columbia) and his passion for history, Mr. Doria gained a reputation as the house intellectual, if you will, of the Hudson County Democratic organization. And while academicians in politics are not always known for the common touch, as Gov. Woodrow Wilson demonstrated during his years in Trenton, Joseph V. Doria the powerful legislator never stopped being Joe Doria from Bayonne, a man with a cluttered desk, a straightforward manner and an aversion for slick self-promotion. : : : : : : Mr. Doria's legislative accomplishments number in the dozens, from his sponsorship of New Jersey's ban on assault weapons to any number of bills related to his main policy interest - education. : : : : : : "In the Assembly, he was the go-to person on education bills, from pre-K to post-secondary," said John B. Wilson, president of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in New Jersey. : : : : : : Mr. Marcus, the lobbyist, said he dealt with Mr. Doria on health-care legislation in the early 1990's, and the Assembly leader was able to bring politicians, lobbyists and insurance executives together to hammer out a compromise. : : : : : : That quality, political insiders say, marked Mr. Doria as a throwback to an earlier era in Trenton, when access was not so blatantly tied to campaign finance, and when even the inevitable rough-and-tumble of state politics did not seem so, well, rough. "Joe Doria is an example of days gone by when you were expected to be civil and courteous to those with whom you disagreed," said former Gov. James J. Florio. "He is a commendable model of commitment to substance and to civility in public life. The absence of civility precludes the ability of people to come together." : : : : : : Paradoxically, Mr. Florio said, Mr. Doria was brought down last June by "politics that do not lend themselves to compromise and conciliation." : : : : : : Welcome to Hudson County, where knuckles are bare, tempers short and memories long. : : : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat is a direct result of the chaos, divisions and outright hatreds that make Hudson County politics a spectacle like no other in New Jersey. The Democratic organization's patron saint is the late, longtime mayor of Jersey City, Frank Hague, one of the most formidable bosses in American history and author of the deathless phrase, "I am the law." : : : : : : Often, the mayor of Jersey City is the party's most powerful figure. But in 1993, something highly unusual took place there. Bret Shundler, a Republican, was elected mayor of Jersey City. Suddenly, there was no Democratic mayor in the county's largest city to claim first dibs on patronage, contracts and other spoils. Into the void stepped the Hudson County executive, Robert Janiszewski, who took over the organization and imposed order and discipline. Much of the time, however, Mr. Janiszewski was taking bribes, as he has admitted in court. When the escapades of Mr. Janiszewski caught the attention of federal investigators, he was persuaded to tape his conversations while conducting his transactions. Once that came to light, beads of sweat began forming on the brows of political insiders on and off the public payroll. The Democratic organization of Hudson County plunged into disarray. : : : : : : Mr. Menendez, a congressman with enormous influence in Washington, is based in Union City in Hudson County, and he cultivated his own alliances within the organization. But when Mr. Shundler relinquished the mayoralty of Jersey City to mount an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2001, precedent returned to the city and a Democrat, Glenn Cunningham, was elected to City Hall. Mr. Cunningham sought to re-establish the primacy that other Democratic mayors of Jersey City enjoyed over the county organization, but he found Mr. Menendez in his way. : : : : : : The result was last spring's vicious battle in the 31st legislative district. Mr. Cunningham ran for state Senate (not an uncommon phenomenon in New Jersey politics), and Anthony Chiappone and Louis Manzo joined him as Assembly candidates. Mr. Doria ran on a slate with L. Harvey Smith as the Senate candidate and Elba Perez-Cinciarelli as the other Assembly candidate. The battle lines were drawn; political insiders watched as Mr. Cunningham tested his political muscle against candidates considered to be aligned with Mr. Menendez and his ally, State Senator Bernard Kenny, the Hudson County Democratic chairman. : : : : : : "It was a case where you had two very strong forces that were inalterably opposed to each other," Mr. Doria said. Mr. Cunningham's strength in Jersey City, which makes up about 60 percent of the district, was too much for Mr. Doria and his running mates to overcome. All three were defeated. : : : : : : More than the loss itself, it was the reason behind Mr. Doria's downfall that infuriated his allies and surprised agnostic onlookers. Rarely are senior legislators sacrificed so casually in a political blood feud. To Mr. Marcus, Mr. Doria was "a victim of what politics in New Jersey has become - we don't care about policy. We only care about politics." : : : : : : The battle continued to simmer even into late October in the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of Mr. Doria and his running mates. The suit, widely expected to fail, charged the Cunningham slate with several electoral irregularities, which is why Mr. Menendez remained unwilling to concede that Mr. Doria's legislative career was over. But if it came to that, he said, "New Jersey will be worse off." : : : : : : The congressman made it plain that Mr. Doria's unexpected loss has done nothing to ease the bitterness in Hudson County. "It is not unusual to have tough primaries," Mr. Menendez said. "But none of them have ever been of the nature that this one took." : : : : : : As Mr. Menendez put it, the "lack of any rules of engagement by one side" was unprecedented, "even in my 30 years of public life in Hudson County." : : : : : : Reiterating charges that the Cunningham team violated state campaign finance regulations, the congressman said: "You ultimately say to yourself, 'Is the right person on the ballot?' One side played according to the rules of the game and the other did not." : : : : : : Mayor Cunningham, who figures to win his Senate race on Tuesday, had some kind words for Mr. Doria, though none for Mr. Menendez. : : : : : : "Joe served the people of Bayonne and Jersey City honorably," Mr. Cunningham said. "I'm just disappointed that he hasn't accepted the will of the people" -- a reference to the lingering litigation over last spring's primary. Of Mr. Menendez, with whom he once had a warmer relationship, the mayor said: "He needs to concentrate on being a congressman and stop being the new Frank Hague. The congressman is Goliath in Hudson County. I'm David. And Goliath doesn't think David should have a slingshot." : : : : : : Mr. Doria's defeat came less than two years after he lost a chance to resume his place as speaker after the Democrats recaptured the Assembly in 2001. But Governor McGreevey, whom Mr. Doria had opposed during his primary campaign in 1996, instead chose Alberto Sires of Union County, an obscure one-term legislator, as the compromise candidate to be the new speaker. This headed off what could have been an acrimonious revolt against Mr. Doria's leadership from Assemblyman Joseph Roberts of Camden County. : : : : : : Mr. Roberts, an ally of the pre-emininent Democratic power broker of South Jersey, George Norcross III, had been feuding with Mr. Doria over the number of appointments handed out to South Jersey Democrats. This was precisely the kind of headache the new governor did not want, so Mr. Sires emerged as the alternative to outright war. : : : : : : After leading the Democrats through the wilderness of minority party status for a decade, a "disappointed" Mr. Doria went along with the young governor's wishes. "You can't always get what you want," he said. "Didn't somebody write a song about that?" : : : : : : Friends say Mr. Doria's conspicuous lack of bitterness, at least in public, is just another part of what made him stand out as a leader and a legislator. The Rev. James Loughran, president of St. Peter's College in Jersey City, where Mr. Doria worked as an administrator during most of his time in the Assembly, described him as "uncomplaining." : : : : : : "He took the Sires appointment in stride," Father Loughran said, "and he is taking this latest event in stride." : : : : : : Perhaps that is because he still has a job, unlike many politicians who lose re-election bids. Being mayor of Bayonne is a good deal more than a consolation prize for Mr. Doria, who can continue to preside over the city of his birth, and a city in which he and his wife, Maribeth, are raising their daughter, Margaret Mary. With its low-density housing stock, most of it one- and two-family homes, and its thriving commercial strip on Broadway, Bayonne is "the kind of place that reminds people of what Hudson County used to be," said Mr. Scarinci. "It's a place out of time." : : : : : : That image is hard to shake as you walk its tidy streets, patrolled by an endless battalion of crossing guards. Every other block, it seems, has a house of worship of one denomination or another. The Catholic churches, like those of the 1950's, often are associated with a particular ethnic group - Our Lady of Mount Carmel, which has a Polish congregation, is adjacent to St. Michael the Archangel, whose worshipers are Lithuanian. The city's main shopping district is long on mom-and-pop operations, including at least two old-fashioned hardware stores that defy the onslaught of big box stores elsewhere. : : : : : : Still, while it seems well-suited to a mayor described as a throwback to another era, Bayonne has changed a great deal in recent decades. Gone are the thousands of blue-collar jobs that Standard Oil and Texaco once provided along the city's waterfront. Those jobs have not been replaced, but thanks to a light-rail line that offers easy access to Jersey City and the PATH, Bayonne is now attracting commuters who work in financial services and other white-collar jobs. That trend is expected to grow as the city develops the former Military Ocean Terminal, a 430-acre waterfront site on which thousands of new homes will be built in coming years. : : : : : : With just a little less than three years left on his current term as mayor, Mr. Doria will have lots of ribbons to cut as the terminal development moves forward. But he declined to characterize the project as his legacy to his home town. : : : : : : "I don't believe in legacy projects," he said. "I hope everything I do leaves a legacy, from the biggest to the smallest." : BJ, its crock not crook brain surgeon. So every city in the UEZ is distressed? And if distressed equals more state aid then distress me please. And Joe Doria continues to enjoy the support of Bayonne people. On Tuesday Tom Degise received far more votes than Chiappone or Cunningham because of the support of Joe Doria. And the salutations from people throughout the state from both sides of the aisle are equalized by a mysterious poster on a remote message board dominated by the racist rantings of an illiterate newspaper. And I suppose the card board cut out comment is not a personal smear. Hey lady stay on your side of the border and let Bayonne tend to their own affairs. Glad none of those guys you dated decided to bring you to our town. P.S. What kind of nickname is BJ for a lady? ***************** End Of Article ****************** zorro posted Message 2114 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 02:05:51 Subject: black and white I heard some rumors about Stack and Cunigham being in bed together. Stack is going to run against menendez next year with the backing of cunigham, Manzo and Sacco. Can anyone confirm? ***************** End Of Article ****************** After Hours posted Message 2115 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 10:07:56 Subject: Re: black and white Wrong...Stack and Menendez are tight. Cunningham is in bed with .... and it's not his wife. LMAO. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gerry McCann't posted Message 2116 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 11:17:50 Subject: LMAO http://www.geocities.com/njpolice1/Jerry.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2117 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 11:29:46 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gerry McCann't posted Message 2118 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 13:22:40 Subject: Now this is funny.... http://www.geocities.com/njpolice1/Jerry.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2119 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 13:54:25 Subject: Re: Now this is funny.... Now that IS funny : http://www.geocities.com/njpolice1/Jerry.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2120 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 14:07:17 Subject: Solitary Links Not Allowed! Messages must be just that! Posts must consist of a statement or a reply to a statement. A Link can be included as a citation or a reference to further information. A Link not accompanied by information will be deleted! Post it again and the URL from then on will be allowed only by permission. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Gerry McCann't posted Message 2121 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 18:10:45 Subject: Boo-Hoo Will Gerry McCann ever get it. We don't want you as an elected official. You lost for Committeeman You lost for Freeholder and this is what we think of you running for Mayor. Go find a job in the private sector. http://www.geocities.com/njpolice1/Jerry.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** Danger Look out for falling real estate values posted Message 2122 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 20:35:07 Subject: Enough of unimportant things what about jobs and growth? Jersey City is two years away from a death sentence once the shift in the financial services industry moves towards Florida. Rather than waste peoples time with brain dead politicians the people should organize to protect the growth that has increased the quality of life. DTC is moving to Florida and that will dramatically change the value of Jersey City real estate. Basically a major part of Wall Street is moving the part that rents the office buildings and pays the salaries of the people working in Jersey City. Do something before it is to late you have been warned this a public service. ***************** End Of Article ****************** NJEA posted Message 2123 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 21:47:57 Subject: NJEA MADE A BUBU NJEA sent a flier to all their members in the 33rd district portraying albio sires as a black guy and brian stack as hispanic. Where they laughing at these candidates when they endorsed them with this mailing or they got confused with the pictures? check the flyer at politicsnj ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2124 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 23:11:41 Subject: Re: NJEA MADE A BUBU And isn't that State Senator Richard Codey, not Bernard Kenny? Maybe whoever composed the NJEA piece needs to take an exam -- an eye examination! : NJEA sent a flier to all their members in the 33rd district portraying albio sires as a black guy and brian stack as hispanic. Where they laughing at these candidates when they endorsed them with this mailing or they got confused with the pictures? : check the flyer at politicsnj ***************** End Of Article ****************** Here is the link posted Message 2125 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 23:53:59 Subject: Re: Boo-Hoo : Will Gerry McCann ever get it. : We don't want you as an elected official. : You lost for Committeeman : You lost for Freeholder : and this is what we think of you running for Mayor. : Go find a job in the private sector. : : http://www.geocities.com/njpolice1/Jerry.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2126 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 08, 2003 at 23:59:28 Subject: First Out of the Starting Gate Obviously, though first out of the starting gate, the McCann for Freeholder campaign never got its second wind. Was the jockey too heavy? Did the horse not get enough oats? I don't know. But, look how each did in the race: In first place was the County candidate, Radames Velazquez, who got around 2,918 votes. With about 1,249 votes, former Jersey City Mayor Gerald McCann was second. Republican Carl Czaplicki came in third with approximately 719 votes. Out of the money was Anthony Cruz; he only got some 478 or so votes. Of course, the HCDOers are playing the Cruz collapse as a defeat for Mayor Cunningham. As Cunningham's endorsement seems to have been confined to the courtesy of a firm and friendly handshake, it seems something of a reach to try pinning this loss on Glenn. But the question remains, what caused the Cruz campaign to falter? Cruz has been around for quite a spell (in 1997, ran for theWard E Council seat on the Jerry Healy ticket). Cruz's brother sliced and diced text for the local weekly -- around 4 years back, it's true. The point being, Cruz should have had some name recognition. As a Deputy Mayor, Cruz gets to bounce around town as a high-profile (albeit local) VIP. Also, he had a crew of high-morale volunteers and at least enough money for lots of signs. Brings to mind Eliu Rivera. Eliu is a personable guy and, as the head of PACO, is in charge of all sorts of good things. Yet, either with Schundler or Cunningham, Eliu seemed unable to kindle more than a scant handful of votes. Clearly, large portions of the Jersey City Hispanic community continue to vote according to the HCDO five o'clock cards. And don't forget, Juanita Lopez got maybe 101 votes. As far as I could see, her campaign consisted of two hand-drawn and -lettered signs (one on poster-paper and the other on cardboard). ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Trend is Already Underway posted Message 2127 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 09, 2003 at 10:55:27 Subject: Re: What about jobs and growth? A drive down Federal Highway or Glades Road in Boca Raton, or a cruise along Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard in West Palm Beach will show that the trend financial corporate relocations has already taken hold. Electronic Communications Networks, over which most financial transactions take place, have made location less important than advertising. So just as financial corporations flocked to JC a decade ago to escape the high rents and corporatre taxes of lower Manhattan, they will flea the waterfront of JC as the many attractions of the Sunshine State become more apparent. The lack of personal income taxes, lower rents, better business atmosphere, cheaper housing, and obvious warm-weather amenities are beginning to become too alluring to ignore. Just as the 90s saw a flood of relocations culminating after the WTC disaster, this decade will see the abandonment of JC for the better managed communities or South Florida which welcome corporate neighbors with open arms, not by asking them to open their wallets. : Jersey City is two years away from a death sentence once the shift in the financial services industry moves towards Florida. Rather than waste peoples time with brain dead politicians the people should organize to protect the growth that has increased the quality of life. DTC is moving to Florida and that will dramatically change the value of Jersey City real estate. Basically a major part of Wall Street is moving the part that rents the office buildings and pays the salaries of the people working in Jersey City. Do something before it is to late you have been warned this a public service. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2128 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 09, 2003 at 11:11:52 Subject: Yet Another Reason to Move to FLA? Senator Katherine Harris? ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Trend is Already Underway posted Message 2129 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 09, 2003 at 11:19:39 Subject: Re: Yet Another Reason to Move to FLA? No one here advocates the trend that has begun. But there are obvious reasons that should be explored and responded to now, rather than bemoning the fate of empty towers on JC's waterfront 10 years from now after lower Manhattan has been rebuilt, and JC and NJ taxes have driven corporations and jobs from our shores. And Katherin Harris has nothing to do with this issue other than the fact that she is too ignorant to work in most of the companies that will relocate. : Senator Katherine Harris? ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2130 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 11, 2003 at 10:24:10 Subject: Who'll Run For Mayor In Jersey City In 2005? Who'll Run For Mayor In Jersey City In 2005? ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2131 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 11, 2003 at 16:07:53 Subject: DARK SHADOWS! From the membership list of the Hoboken Board of Trade of 1907: J. F. O'Mealia, 61 Newark St., Pres. Hoboken Bill Posting Co. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Big Gipper #42 posted Message 2132 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 12, 2003 at 09:01:54 Subject: State of Politics in Hudson County Has everyone in Hudson County excepted that all of the politicans are corrupt. I saw a recent copy of the Hudson Reporter, and they have a photo of, currently indicted Ex-Mayor of Hoboken Anthony Russo, beaming that his son won his Council seat. Not a mention on the cover of the Hudson Reporter that he's currently under indictment. What happened to the 4th Estate being unbiased and fair. How can they be when our Congressman Robert Menedez , who has some sort of relationship with Kay LiCausi, klstrategies.com, is representing every major Developer on the Waterfront. Look at her website, one page, not even a hint a legitamacy. No one answers the Office phone. Hudson County on a whole needs a revolution, there needs to be systemic change throughout the whole system. There is so much wasted money, and time, that could be better handled and managed to no avail. But the citizens of Hudson just keep excepting it, and let it roll along. ***************** End Of Article ****************** LMAO posted Message 2133 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 12, 2003 at 11:29:47 Subject: Re: State of Politics in Hudson County Gee who is this Sandy or Glenn. Better fix that AOL profile next time you post without using your name. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Newportlady posted Message 2134 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 12, 2003 at 11:32:21 Subject: Interesting letter to the Editor Gavina brothers weren't attacked Tuesday, November 11, 2003 Letters to the Editor The Jersey Journal Like many people, I too was shocked and outraged by the verdict in the murder trial of Police Officer Domenick Infantes. The devastation and disappointment of this verdict will be felt for a long time. The Infantes family has suffered the worst loss imaginable. Their pain and suffering was compounded by having to sit and listen while their loved one was ripped apart in court, almost blamed for causing his own death. For over two years now I have read many inaccurate stories about the night of July 4. I have tried to have them corrected, but without success. As a matter of fact, to this day, no reporter from The Jersey Journal has ever contacted or interviewed any of the people that were there on July 4. Unfortunately, a lot of people did not know Dom. They only know what they read in the paper. It was very upsetting to read the defense's version of events almost word for word printed in the paper. Their lies are outrageous and hurtful, and are totally without any proof or evidence. They even went so far as to accuse Brian Belka of criminal acts and blame him for the entire incident. That was printed. From Our Advertiser That is why I felt compelled to write this letter and explain what really happened. I was there that night. I was with Brian Belka as he left the party, each one of us carrying one of our children. Firecrackers were thrown by the Gavina children onto our my parents' driveway as we were getting into our car. Our children were only 1 and 4 at the time, and the loud noise of a pack of firecrackers going off so close to them was terrifying. They were screaming hysterically and could not calm down enough to even get them in their car seats. Brian yelled at the Gavina children, as anyone would have. Their behavior was careless, dangerous, inconsiderate and illegal. Benjamin Gavina came out of his garage and he and Brian began to yell back and forth at one another. Then I saw another man run out of the garage and over to his car. I saw the trunk open and I immediately started screaming because I was afraid that he was getting a gun from the trunk. I screamed to Brian about the trunk. Within seconds the Gavina brothers were each holding 4-foot metal pipes in their hands. I was afraid that they were going to kill us or hit our car, (my children were in the car still screaming). I was screaming and pleading with them that this was crazy and to just let us leave. Just then Dom came out of our (my parents') yard. He must have heard me yelling. Dom immediately identified himself as a police officer and held up his badge. He asked everyone to calm down. He told Brian to leave. Other people from our party were also outside now and they stayed with Brian over by our car. Dom told the Gavinas to put down the pipes. They refused and began to yell at Dom to show them his gun to prove he was a police officer and started yelling things about cops. Dom told me to "Call 911, tell them officer needs assistance." My father was standing there also, so he ran in and called 911. The Gavinas were still holding the pipes, refusing to put them down or go inside. The police were on their way. Brian and I decided to leave. We were getting into the car when we heard a commotion. As I turned I saw the pipes raised like baseball bats and I saw Dom lying on the ground. Brian had also seen this and ran over to the fence because one of the Gavinas was holding the pipe up, getting ready to hit again. Brian grabbed the guy from our side of the fence and Brian got hit in the head with a pipe. The fence collapsed and Brian, Alfredo Gavina, and the pipe landed in the grass where I was standing. I looked down and Brian's head was split completely open. Just then, the police arrived and then the Gavinas began to fight with them. There was no self-defense needed because the Gavinas were never attacked. Brian and Dom were never there together. There were no injuries, marks or bruises on either of the Gavinas. What the Gavinas did have on them were weapons, which they took out immediately when it was only me and Brian. There were no bruises because there was no attack. Their lies were created because there was no other way to explain their vicious, brutal attack and blatant disrespect and disregard for the law. God bless Dom. TINA BELKA Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2135 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 12, 2003 at 12:46:17 Subject: Re: Interesting letter to the Editor Is there a law concerning causing the death of a police officer? If there isn't, there certainly should be. To my mind, anyone responsible for the death of a police officer (and I don't care if it's a heart attack, tripping and hitting the sidewalk, or what have you) should be guaranteed a very long time in jail -- longer than ten years. : : : Gavina brothers weren't attacked : Tuesday, November 11, 2003 : : Letters to the Editor : The Jersey Journal : Like many people, I too was shocked and outraged by the verdict in the murder trial of Police Officer Domenick Infantes. The devastation and disappointment of this verdict will be felt for a long time. The Infantes family has suffered the worst loss imaginable. Their pain and suffering was compounded by having to sit and listen while their loved one was ripped apart in court, almost blamed for causing his own death. : For over two years now I have read many inaccurate stories about the night of July 4. I have tried to have them corrected, but without success. As a matter of fact, to this day, no reporter from The Jersey Journal has ever contacted or interviewed any of the people that were there on July 4. Unfortunately, a lot of people did not know Dom. They only know what they read in the paper. It was very upsetting to read the defense's version of events almost word for word printed in the paper. Their lies are outrageous and hurtful, and are totally without any proof or evidence. They even went so far as to accuse Brian Belka of criminal acts and blame him for the entire incident. That was printed. : : From Our Advertiser : : : : That is why I felt compelled to write this letter and explain what really happened. I was there that night. I was with Brian Belka as he left the party, each one of us carrying one of our children. Firecrackers were thrown by the Gavina children onto our my parents' driveway as we were getting into our car. Our children were only 1 and 4 at the time, and the loud noise of a pack of firecrackers going off so close to them was terrifying. They were screaming hysterically and could not calm down enough to even get them in their car seats. Brian yelled at the Gavina children, as anyone would have. Their behavior was careless, dangerous, inconsiderate and illegal. Benjamin Gavina came out of his garage and he and Brian began to yell back and forth at one another. Then I saw another man run out of the garage and over to his car. I saw the trunk open and I immediately started screaming because I was afraid that he was getting a gun from the trunk. I screamed to Brian about the trunk. Within seconds the Gavina brothers were each holding 4-foot metal pipes in their hands. I was afraid that they were going to kill us or hit our car, (my children were in the car still screaming). I was screaming and pleading with them that this was crazy and to just let us leave. : Just then Dom came out of our (my parents') yard. He must have heard me yelling. Dom immediately identified himself as a police officer and held up his badge. He asked everyone to calm down. He told Brian to leave. Other people from our party were also outside now and they stayed with Brian over by our car. Dom told the Gavinas to put down the pipes. They refused and began to yell at Dom to show them his gun to prove he was a police officer and started yelling things about cops. Dom told me to "Call 911, tell them officer needs assistance." My father was standing there also, so he ran in and called 911. The Gavinas were still holding the pipes, refusing to put them down or go inside. : The police were on their way. Brian and I decided to leave. We were getting into the car when we heard a commotion. As I turned I saw the pipes raised like baseball bats and I saw Dom lying on the ground. Brian had also seen this and ran over to the fence because one of the Gavinas was holding the pipe up, getting ready to hit again. Brian grabbed the guy from our side of the fence and Brian got hit in the head with a pipe. The fence collapsed and Brian, Alfredo Gavina, and the pipe landed in the grass where I was standing. I looked down and Brian's head was split completely open. Just then, the police arrived and then the Gavinas began to fight with them. : There was no self-defense needed because the Gavinas were never attacked. Brian and Dom were never there together. There were no injuries, marks or bruises on either of the Gavinas. What the Gavinas did have on them were weapons, which they took out immediately when it was only me and Brian. There were no bruises because there was no attack. Their lies were created because there was no other way to explain their vicious, brutal attack and blatant disrespect and disregard for the law. : God bless Dom. TINA BELKA Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** Never Again posted Message 2136 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 12, 2003 at 12:52:56 Subject: Candlelight Vigil for P.O. Domenick J. Infantes Candlelight Vigil for P.O. Domenick J. Infantes This FRIDAY 11/14/03 7:00P.M. Hamilton Park 8th st and Jersey Ave (Across from St. Francis Hospital) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Puccini's: Thursday, November 13, 2003 posted Message 2137 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 12, 2003 at 16:29:39 Subject: Steve Lipski FunRaiser Steve Lipski is holding a FunRaiser at Puccini's (1064 Westside Ave., Jersey City) this Thursday, November 13, 2003 from 6PM to 9PM. Tickets are available at the door for $125. Be there and raise a lot of FUN! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mr. Kite posted Message 2138 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 12, 2003 at 19:30:26 Subject: Re: Steve Lipski FunRaiser : Steve Lipski is holding a FunRaiser at Puccini's (1064 Westside Ave., Jersey City) this Thursday, November 13, 2003 from 6PM to 9PM. : Tickets are available at the door for $125. : Be there and raise a lot of FUN! Wow I can't wait to go! Entertainment provided by that human chameleon Lipski. Olga Korbet will be there to do Flips. There will be a Flip Wilson impersonator of course. Bring the kids as Steve promises to play bumper cars with them after a couple of brews. So remember to leave your backbone and conscience at the door and have a great time. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Offshore no taxes at all posted Message 2139 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 07:24:20 Subject: Re: Yet Another Reason to Move to FLA? The trend is ultimately offshore it is easier to go to the Bahamas or Bermuda from Florida. Freeport is a 30 minute flight. : No one here advocates the trend that has begun. But there are obvious reasons that should be explored and responded to now, rather than bemoning the fate of empty towers on JC's waterfront 10 years from now after lower Manhattan has been rebuilt, and JC and NJ taxes have driven corporations and jobs from our shores. And Katherin Harris has nothing to do with this issue other than the fact that she is too ignorant to work in most of the companies that will relocate. : : Senator Katherine Harris? ***************** End Of Article ****************** To Stupid to be Mayor, Senator or Govenor posted Message 2140 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 07:38:22 Subject: Cunningham is insulated in the ignorance of racism Firstly Cunningham is a racist of the first order. As that tends to remove all reason his ability to lead is impaired. Try if you will to suggest anything that gets a fair hearing. The current Mayor lives in a prison of racism that does not allow the open flow of ideas and solutions for the good of the people. While he maybe untouched as far as graft he is as dumb as a stone. The Mayors advisors are those that have mastered the skill of blowing smoke in a direction not mentioned. Mayor Cunningham live up to your promise your victories are not mandates for racist activity it is not one races moment in the sun it is the people of the city. Please remove your prejudice against Whites. Anti-White behavior is not allowed. The city has suffered due to lack of education in the area of technology and the ability to streamline and modernize the structure of government to better serve the people ALL THE PEOPLE. The logic of racism is flawed and will create a situation you cannot live with. Essentially just because you are the Mayor does no make you or your staff know everything in fact the world is large and filled with things we do not know please act accordingly. A good case in point is the removal of DTC from New York City if you had half a brain or anyone on your staff did they might see the ramifications of that event. Since your office does not respond to anyone outside your office you are in a prison of ingnorance strongly supported by your racist views. As you are aware I did make the choice to be whatever I'am neither did you so stop all this or suffer defeat in the political arena. Having lived and worked in South Africa I can tell you first hand racism of any form will destroy not build a society. Let the love God made in your heart flow stop the ignorance and let the ideas and solutions flow. The first step is the removal of Ayala he is controlling access and removing the right solutions from the table get someone that has an education and can listen not dictate. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Why Can't We All Get Along? posted Message 2141 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 07:48:54 Subject: Poor Management due to a closed mind Ayala thinks he knows it all he is the master of the universe. The reality is the man is a dunce, a dullard, and generally unfit to walk dogs. Yet the mayor (Mayor Cunningham) continues to listen to this long haul truck driver on matters that are complex and require some area of expertise. If I want a good delivery on a carton I'll call Ayala but he should not be making policy in the arbitary manner he does. This is a Western Society where critical thinking is required not some third world nation where those with the power rule regardless of their ability to make informed choices. It is after all the government by the PEOPLE for the PEOPLE and should serve the PEOPLE. While HCDO was designed to steal funds from the public the current mayor's adminstration is designed to statisfy some closed idea of a moment in the sun. Ward F should be better served the dreams of a Mayor for all the people must be realized. Stop Cunningham unless he changes his ways. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Computers are tools that require education posted Message 2142 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 07:54:06 Subject: Jersey City Government must enter the new century Jersey City lives in an age gone by at least two centuries ago. Those that rule the City have no idea of the importance of the computer age and have failed to understand the significance of this paradigm shift. There are no efforts to streamline the cost of delivery rendering the vital services of fire and police lacking. Billing is a nightmare, procurement is a nighmare, and the minds that rule are in the dark ages. Cunningham wake up you are not going to make it unless you see the parade grab a baton and lead. Mayor Cunningham stop being the stoog your advisors would have you be for their purposes. The information age is here and it is real. Jersey City must become a leader in this area or suffer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Horse and buggy posted Message 2143 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 07:56:59 Subject: Mayor wants a new ride The mayor needs a new ride I suggest a horse and buggy it would compliment is mind set. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Nerds for a better Jersey City posted Message 2144 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 08:02:14 Subject: Computers run on electricty not Political Greed Keeping it simple is the answer the Mayor's anti-modern mode of doing things is anti-computer. If the Mayor uses email I would be amazed. The question is can someone replace the idiots that run the city by using computers to raise funds and contact people to vote against them. I suggest ***************** End Of Article ****************** asbury park press posted Message 2145 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 08:10:40 Subject: Re: GLENN CUNNINGHAM FOR GOVENOR : RECALL MCGREEVEY AND ELECT GLENN CUNNIGHAM GOVENOR OF NEW JERSEY ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 2146 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 09:06:43 Subject: WHITLOCK CORDAGE KEEPS GETTING BETTER-FOR DEVELOPER Urban Times News ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer , Urban Times News posted Message 2147 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 09:15:14 Subject: BOND REFI-CLOCKS RUNNING, TEMPERS FLARING, RATES RISING sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Urban Times News posted Message 2148 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 09:28:36 Subject: FOUNDATION OFFERS FREE HEALTH SERVICES TO COMMUNITY UTN NEWS ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2149 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 10:18:50 Subject: NJN Video: Manzo, McCann Comment On State Chromium Settlement To view the NJN News Video, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ayala is a bonehead posted Message 2150 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 15:16:18 Subject: Re: BOND REFI-CLOCKS RUNNING, TEMPERS FLARING, RATES RISING Maybe the long haul truck driver can figure a route out of the trouble he has created for the people of Jersey City. Maybe the Mayor will throw him out on his ear. : sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Holding My Breath (and my Nose) posted Message 2151 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 16:06:49 Subject: Re: BOND REFI-CLOCKS RUNNING, TEMPERS FLARING, RATES RISING That's what happens when you got a Mayor stupid enough to send in a boy to do a MAN's job. Bill Ayala is the most inept, talentless Chief of Staff to ever draw a paycheck from taxes paid by hard-working Jersey City residents. He is an uneducated, greedy, self-important, gruff egomaniac. But then look around GDC and what do you find? A bunch worse than hacks....they're a bunch of DUMBASS hacks. No talent, no foresight, no insight, just dumb and blind as mice. Not one of them has the guts to tell the King He Has No Clothes. And this is who we send to Trenton? Lord help us all. It would be a glimmer of hope if Glen tells the truck driver to grease up and hit the road. But lets not hold our breath. Afterall, Billy will just go crying to Sandy to protect him.....again. : Maybe the long haul truck driver can figure a route out of the trouble he has created for the people of Jersey City. Maybe the Mayor will throw him out on his ear. : : : sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** Peepers posted Message 2152 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 16:32:34 Subject: But, if But if the coach for the winner is an knucklehead then what do you have to say about the coach for the losers? ***************** End Of Article ****************** The meaning behind the verdict is...... posted Message 2153 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 18:01:36 Subject: Re: Interesting letter to the Editor That his life meant nothing.That cops are bad and skin color is everything! : : : : : : Gavina brothers weren't attacked : : : Tuesday, November 11, 2003 : : : : Letters to the Editor : : The Jersey Journal : : Like many people, I too was shocked and outraged by the verdict in the murder trial of Police Officer Domenick Infantes. The devastation and disappointment of this verdict will be felt for a long time. The Infantes family has suffered the worst loss imaginable. Their pain and suffering was compounded by having to sit and listen while their loved one was ripped apart in court, almost blamed for causing his own death. : : For over two years now I have read many inaccurate stories about the night of July 4. I have tried to have them corrected, but without success. As a matter of fact, to this day, no reporter from The Jersey Journal has ever contacted or interviewed any of the people that were there on July 4. Unfortunately, a lot of people did not know Dom. They only know what they read in the paper. It was very upsetting to read the defense's version of events almost word for word printed in the paper. Their lies are outrageous and hurtful, and are totally without any proof or evidence. They even went so far as to accuse Brian Belka of criminal acts and blame him for the entire incident. That was printed. : : : : From Our Advertiser : : : : : : : : That is why I felt compelled to write this letter and explain what really happened. I was there that night. I was with Brian Belka as he left the party, each one of us carrying one of our children. Firecrackers were thrown by the Gavina children onto our my parents' driveway as we were getting into our car. Our children were only 1 and 4 at the time, and the loud noise of a pack of firecrackers going off so close to them was terrifying. They were screaming hysterically and could not calm down enough to even get them in their car seats. Brian yelled at the Gavina children, as anyone would have. Their behavior was careless, dangerous, inconsiderate and illegal. Benjamin Gavina came out of his garage and he and Brian began to yell back and forth at one another. Then I saw another man run out of the garage and over to his car. I saw the trunk open and I immediately started screaming because I was afraid that he was getting a gun from the trunk. I screamed to Brian about the trunk. Within seconds the Gavina brothers were each holding 4-foot metal pipes in their hands. I was afraid that they were going to kill us or hit our car, (my children were in the car still screaming). I was screaming and pleading with them that this was crazy and to just let us leave. : : Just then Dom came out of our (my parents') yard. He must have heard me yelling. Dom immediately identified himself as a police officer and held up his badge. He asked everyone to calm down. He told Brian to leave. Other people from our party were also outside now and they stayed with Brian over by our car. Dom told the Gavinas to put down the pipes. They refused and began to yell at Dom to show them his gun to prove he was a police officer and started yelling things about cops. Dom told me to "Call 911, tell them officer needs assistance." My father was standing there also, so he ran in and called 911. The Gavinas were still holding the pipes, refusing to put them down or go inside. : : The police were on their way. Brian and I decided to leave. We were getting into the car when we heard a commotion. As I turned I saw the pipes raised like baseball bats and I saw Dom lying on the ground. Brian had also seen this and ran over to the fence because one of the Gavinas was holding the pipe up, getting ready to hit again. Brian grabbed the guy from our side of the fence and Brian got hit in the head with a pipe. The fence collapsed and Brian, Alfredo Gavina, and the pipe landed in the grass where I was standing. I looked down and Brian's head was split completely open. Just then, the police arrived and then the Gavinas began to fight with them. : : There was no self-defense needed because the Gavinas were never attacked. Brian and Dom were never there together. There were no injuries, marks or bruises on either of the Gavinas. What the Gavinas did have on them were weapons, which they took out immediately when it was only me and Brian. There were no bruises because there was no attack. Their lies were created because there was no other way to explain their vicious, brutal attack and blatant disrespect and disregard for the law. : : God bless Dom. TINA BELKA Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** Holdin my Breath posted Message 2154 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 21:37:45 Subject: Re: But, if : But if the coach for the winner is an knucklehead then what do you have to say about the coach for the losers? Nothing much to say for them either. That's the problem...a fundamental lack of talent all around. And more than sufficient greed. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2155 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 22:00:49 Subject: STEEL CAGE DEATHMATCH Perhaps we can throw Ayala, McGee and Sengco into the ring and see who comes out alive. I'm betting on Sengco. She's as tough as they come. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2156 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 13, 2003 at 22:04:23 Subject: NEVER FEAR !!! Martin Jackson will solve all the City's computer problems. Once he has finished delivering his newspapers. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ayala is really dumb posted Message 2157 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 00:33:20 Subject: Cunningham is an idiot for listening to Ayala Well we stand at the edge of a new world but in the wake of the old one stands the ignorant Mayor Glenn Cunningham. I am somebody. I am somebody he rants on, but Mr. Mayor not for long you trusted the fool Ayala and allowed him to no refinance the bond issue and stiff the first advisor too bad. As you may not be aware interest rates have gone up a couple of basis points while Ayala figures his own angle the city lost $25 million dollars. So you have not raised the taxes but rather through Ayala have added $25 million in debt almost the same thing. Now Glenn we love yah but Ayala must go he is a fool and your are being made one rapidly drop the truck driver and hire a qualified admin Ayala may have cost you the election for Senate and Mayor. Before Ayala made the bonehead move of stiffing the advisor you could have been Govenor if you wished now you will be lucky enough to hang on to a City job as Dog Catcher. So damage control is the name of the game forget about Ayala he has already cost you the Govenors spot why throw the Senate and the Mayor's office in as well. Refinance, fire Ayala, and run for Govenor. If you fail to do any and all of these suggestions you are finished over with Caputo Stupido. Glenn if I where you I'd get my head screwed on straight and knock off all the bull with Ayala he is a fool. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Beet me whip me make me not refinance and defease posted Message 2158 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 00:38:49 Subject: Ayala's $25 million dollar mistake Since Enron and Tyco stupid people just do not have enough fun spending other peoples money wait then there was Ayala he got to waste $25 million just because well we do not know yet but think about it could he be playing the market speculating on bonds maybe a little bird well actually a Vulture tells me if the City Defaults Ayala stands to make some money somewhere. Oh my lord how can that be someone entrusted with the publics welfare speculating and manipulating their trust for their own enrichment say it is not so. Well it could have only been done by violating Glenn's trust. If Glenn soes not clean house he will be finished. Act now before it is too late Glenn your a good guy with a bad man advising you Ayala has speculated and manipulated a good deal to bad drop the bum. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Question of the day posted Message 2159 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 00:49:13 Subject: Why if jobless claims are going up Why if jobless claims are going up there are not more job at the unemployment agencies? I think its a plot since the unemployment agencies are not hiring the claims are inflated. Perhaps we have discovered the source for weapons of mass destruction they are all being placed in unemployment offices and the jobless claims mask this. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rumsfeld Promises not to Pull out early in Iraq posted Message 2160 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 00:50:41 Subject: Iraqi women are over joyed at the news a little laugh ***************** End Of Article ****************** Iraqi Taxi Driver in Jersey City posted Message 2161 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 00:54:52 Subject: We will be happy to drive where you do not want to go The other evening after getting off the train at Grove St Station I grabbed a cab guess what the driver was from Iraq. Well we had lots to talk about since he totally ignored my location and address. I think we had a moment or two where might have understood what I was saying. Finally I jumped out at an intersection and walked away. It seems no firm located and time can be established with people from Iraq. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Korean lime buyer posted Message 2162 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 00:59:33 Subject: The unfair trade wars of limes and Korean produce stands I have been buying limes for years from the same old mean Korean lady along with other produce products. As luck would have it I saw limes being offered at half the price and bought them there. I still buy other produce from the Korean stand but they have jacked the price up to make up for the lack of limes I use to purchase. I think there is a lime war going on out there somewhere in the wee hours where produce is being unpacked and sold Koreans are hurling crates of limes at other ethnic group vowing revenge for the theft of good lime selling locations. I tell you the world has gone mad insane with lime envy. Excuse me I need to mix another Kamakzee pitcher. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2163 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 05:25:00 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Losing Faith posted Message 2164 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 07:28:59 Subject: Re: Ayala's $25 million dollar mistake Glenn may not be too bright, but he is a decent guy (for the most part). But his judgement about people is subpar. Case in point - - - - > B-I-L-L A-Y-A-L-A < - - - - - As I recall they named a movie after the guy......"The J-rk". Dumb as mud and full of himself. Arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. :( : Since Enron and Tyco stupid people just do not have enough fun spending other peoples money wait then there was Ayala he got to waste $25 million just because well we do not know yet but think about it could he be playing the market speculating on bonds maybe a little bird well actually a Vulture tells me if the City Defaults Ayala stands to make some money somewhere. Oh my lord how can that be someone entrusted with the publics welfare speculating and manipulating their trust for their own enrichment say it is not so. Well it could have only been done by violating Glenn's trust. If Glenn soes not clean house he will be finished. Act now before it is too late Glenn your a good guy with a bad man advising you Ayala has speculated and manipulated a good deal to bad drop the bum. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stolen Dreams of Ward F posted Message 2165 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 13:42:55 Subject: Ayala has taken away dream by misinforming Cunningham Ayala has cost the City a great deal more that $25 million and counting but more important is the dream he robbed from all of us and possibly the State at large. Cunningham could have been the Govenor but not now. Cunningham might have been President but not now how can he come back from all the trouble Ayala has caused how is it possible I just do not see it happening in fact I sense grounds for a HCDO Recall effort they have the money they hate Cunningham and they would be happy to see him thrown out so they could crank the money of corruption up again. Ayala is an agent of the beloved Congressman and he the congressman has had his day and lived to see another. Glenn is gone he will not be elected senator or remain as mayor much longer thank Mr. Ayala for the stab in the back. Glenn good luck as county dog cathcer because thats where you are heading. Ayala will be paid off by the beloved Congressman and find another place to sabotage. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2166 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 13:45:43 Subject: Ayala is working secretly for a Recall of Cunnignham Ayala has all but signed the deal to help work against Glenn in a HCDO sponsored Recall for Mayor and forget about the Senate Race Glenn is out caputo. Ayala is probably the smartest political ice man to date. Just one critical mistake was made can you guess what that is? ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2167 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 14, 2003 at 21:06:27 Subject: What about McGee ??? I keep reading all these posts about Ayala and his screwups, but nothing about Carlton McGee. It is the common opinion among most city workers and the business community that the man is a total incompetent. His Chicago-based financial consultants would have the City in debt and paying interest for tens of years to come. McGee came to his job knowing little about local or state government/laws and hasn't shown he has learned any lessons. He hands out no-bid contracts without regard to purchasing laws. He has hamstrung Police and Fire in their attempts to modernize and meet homeland security burdens. He has failed miserably in automating/computerizing the apparatus of City government. And of course there is the infamous City website created by his buddy Martin Jackson. McGee has a notorious reputation for arrogance and heavy handed tactics. He continually abuses City workers while handing out raises and perks to Cunningham cronies. Ayala may be bad, but McGee is far worse. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Losing Faith posted Message 2168 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 09:22:11 Subject: Re: What about McGee ??? If they screw up - - - reward them. Ayala, McGee, Carter....and a Mayor wil A.D.D. . . . . wonderful choices to lead our city into chaos. As for the financial situation...anyone who follows markets should recognize the sector rotation going on for the past few weeks. Out of high P/E tech ... into low P/E large cap and staples. That reflects a changing interest rate environment ...rates will rise after the first of the year and JC will have lost the chance to lock in lower rates. Another screw up ....thanks Bill. : I keep reading all these posts about Ayala and his screwups, but nothing about Carlton McGee. It is the common opinion among most city workers and the business community that the man is a total incompetent. His Chicago-based financial consultants would have the City in debt and paying interest for tens of years to come. : McGee came to his job knowing little about local or state government/laws and hasn't shown he has learned any lessons. He hands out no-bid contracts without regard to purchasing laws. He has hamstrung Police and Fire in their attempts to modernize and meet homeland security burdens. He has failed miserably in automating/computerizing the apparatus of City government. And of course there is the infamous City website created by his buddy Martin Jackson. : McGee has a notorious reputation for arrogance and heavy handed tactics. He continually abuses City workers while handing out raises and perks to Cunningham cronies. : Ayala may be bad, but McGee is far worse. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hound Dog posted Message 2169 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 09:51:09 Subject: Re: What about McGee ??? Exactly-What about him? : : If they screw up - - - reward them. Ayala, McGee, Carter....and a Mayor wil A.D.D. . . . . wonderful choices to lead our city into chaos. As for the financial situation...anyone who follows markets should recognize the sector rotation going on for the past few weeks. Out of high P/E tech ... into low P/E large cap and staples. That reflects a changing interest rate environment ...rates will rise after the first of the year and JC will have lost the chance to lock in lower rates. Another screw up ....thanks Bill. Rates already went up a bit to the tune of millions of additional dollars of debt service over the life of any deal of any real size done now compared to a couple of months ago. You happen to be exactly right. Three consecutive months of improving economic number point to higher interest rates. No doubt about it. : : : I keep reading all these posts about Ayala and his screwups, but nothing about Carlton McGee. It is the common opinion among most city workers and the business community that the man is a total incompetent. His Chicago-based financial consultants would have the City in debt and paying interest for tens of years to come. : : McGee came to his job knowing little about local or state government/laws and hasn't shown he has learned any lessons. He hands out no-bid contracts without regard to purchasing laws. He has hamstrung Police and Fire in their attempts to modernize and meet homeland security burdens. He has failed miserably in automating/computerizing the apparatus of City government. And of course there is the infamous City website created by his buddy Martin Jackson. Ayala has the Mayor's ear. McGee does not. McGee is the one competent guy in the list of names above. He is the only one who knows what he is doing and has deep background and experience doing these things. Ayala does not, but has the Mayor wrapped around his finger for some very strange reason nobody seems to understand. If I were a political opponent of Cunningham, I would pay Ayala to keep right on doing what he is doing and he will lead Cunningham into a financial disaster that will take Mayor Man down. Ayala has allied with Sengco to block McGee out of financial decision. Ayala and Sengco together could not add up and balance out a grocery order let alone a major debt restructuring. : : McGee has a notorious reputation for arrogance and heavy handed tactics. He continually abuses City workers while handing out raises and perks to Cunningham cronies. : : Ayala may be bad, but McGee is far worse. With all due respect Weezil, you are very much mistaken about McGee. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HERE! posted Message 2170 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 12:25:57 Subject: LQQK Carlton McGee Profile Senior Financial Professional with fifteen years of progressive management experience. A strong communicator with demonstrated leadership and strategic planning work. My professional experiences also include management consulting, securities trading and sales/ marketing of specialty chemicals and plastics. Professional Experience 09/00 to Present Universal Structured Finance Group, Chicago, IL Senior Managing Director Responsible for the establishing a general and special revenue municipal finance advisory practice in the Midwest. Areas of specialization includes tax increment finance, urban transit, housing and economic development. 07/99 to Present City Colleges of Chicago, IL Vice Chancellor of Finance and Chief Financial OfficerResponsible for advising and reporting on the financial performance of Illinois Community College District No. 508. Supervising the revenue, budget, controller, and treasury functions for the seven colleges district with a total enrollment of 165,000 students and a budget in excess of $300 Million. My task was to make and implement policy changes to a weak and scandal plagued division, which had a historical lacked direction. Major accomplishment within the District includes: · Finance manager for the $308 million Capital Improvement Bond Issuance, · Redesign of the budget process to incorporate the strategic directions and goals, · Presented the fiscal year 2001 budget, the first to be balanced without fund balance contributions in seven years, · Made midyear modifications to the fiscal year 2000 budget so as to balance the revenue and expenses for fiscal year with no contribution from fund balance, · Modified our Oracle financial software to deliver more accurate and timely Unit Cost calculations and uniform financial report to the Illinois Community College Board ( ICCB), our chief state oversight and funding agency, · Delivered annual audited financials on time for the first time in six years. · Reorganized the Office of Finance consistent with our strategic directives to be more effective in meeting the needs of internal and external clients, · Develop new cash management and investment policies while substantially improving the accuracy and timeliness of the Districts bill payment process, · Identified optimizing strategies for the procurement and asset management of computer related hardware, · Developed the business requirements for upgrading to the financial management software system. Carlton McGee Page 2 Professional Experience Cont., 2/96 – 7/99 Bureau of Finance, County of CookDeputy Chief Financial Officer Cook County is one of the three largest in the country with a fiscal 1999 budget of over $2.4 billion. This position is responsible for implementation of all bureau wide policies and procedures. · Lead manager for the implementation of the IBM/JD Edwards $20 million financial system with the following integrated functions: general ledger, procurement, accounts payable fixed assets and on-line Comprehensive Annual Financial Reporting (CAFR) and electronic time and attendance. · Liaison between the financial function and the Office of Automation and Management Information Systems. · Finance Team member for the 1996, 1997 and 1998 series for Cook County financings totaling in excess of $1.485 billion. · Participated in the supervision of bureau departments, such as budget, revenue, purchasing, county comptroller and contract compliance. · Interim department heads for the 31 person Risk Management department that included countywide functions for employee benefits, workers compensation, safety and general liability insurance. . Supervised the audit, the preparation of strategic goals and annual budget. 7/91 – 2/96 Department of Finance, City of ChicagoFirst Managing Deputy ComptrollerThis position is responsible for the implementation of all-departmental policies and procedures. Lead finance person responsible for municipal finance projects in the areas of emergency telecommunication, urban transit, low and moderate income housing, solid waste disposal and commercial economic development, $1.2 billion in total. · Program manager for the evaluation, design and installation of a new human resource information system with automated time and attendance, benefits, budgeting and payroll functions, · Reviewed loan proposals for the Housing and Planning Development departments. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2171 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 13:38:56 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Losing Faith posted Message 2172 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 18:13:01 Subject: Re: What about McGee ??? Exactly-What about him? Exactly my point....but they (GDC, Ayala, McGee) either don't care about additional debt service caused by their vasilation, are to slow on the up take to understand what those dollars would mean for us average JC residents, are looking for a way to personally profit from refinancing haven't found it yet, or are afraid that they don't have the ability to explain new bonding for refinancing to the public....so they play ostrich. Anyway you look at it...the folks of JC pay the price...for years to come. : Rates already went up a bit to the tune of millions of additional : dollars of debt service over the life of any deal of any real size done now compared to a couple of months ago. You happen to : be exactly right. Three consecutive months of improving economic : number point to higher interest rates. No doubt about it. : : : : If they screw up - - - reward them. Ayala, McGee, Carter....and a Mayor wil A.D.D. . . . . wonderful choices to lead our city into chaos. As for the financial situation...anyone who follows markets should recognize the sector rotation going on for the past few weeks. Out of high P/E tech ... into low P/E large cap and staples. That reflects a changing interest rate environment ...rates will rise after the first of the year and JC will have lost the chance to lock in lower rates. Another screw up ....thanks Bill. : : : : : I keep reading all these posts about Ayala and his screwups, but nothing about Carlton McGee. It is the common opinion among most city workers and the business community that the man is a total incompetent. His Chicago-based financial consultants would have the City in debt and paying interest for tens of years to come. : : : McGee came to his job knowing little about local or state government/laws and hasn't shown he has learned any lessons. He hands out no-bid contracts without regard to purchasing laws. He has hamstrung Police and Fire in their attempts to modernize and meet homeland security burdens. He has failed miserably in automating/computerizing the apparatus of City government. And of course there is the infamous City website created by his buddy Martin Jackson. : Ayala has the Mayor's ear. McGee does not. McGee is the one competent guy in the list of names above. He is the only one who knows what he is doing and has deep background and experience doing these things. Ayala does not, but has the Mayor wrapped around his finger for some very strange reason nobody seems to understand. If I were a political opponent of Cunningham, I would pay Ayala to keep right on doing what he is doing and he will lead Cunningham into a financial disaster that will take Mayor Man down. Ayala has allied with Sengco to block McGee out of financial decision. Ayala and Sengco together could not add up and balance out a grocery order let alone a major debt restructuring. : : : McGee has a notorious reputation for arrogance and heavy handed tactics. He continually abuses City workers while handing out raises and perks to Cunningham cronies. : : : Ayala may be bad, but McGee is far worse. With all due respect Weezil, you are very much mistaken about McGee. ***************** End Of Article ****************** JEdgarH posted Message 2173 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 19:06:22 Subject: McGee to be investigated For trying to push the Knight Group without administration or council approval. The JJ says that neither the administration or council can understand why this group must get paid. Stay tuned ***************** End Of Article ****************** Treky for a Clean Government live long and profit posted Message 2174 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 21:18:10 Subject: If Hudson County where Star Trek who would be Capt. Kirk So I think we can basically start a large posting by finding out who would be capt. Kirk, Spock, and whatever please try and give at least several potential candidates. Since the elections are all rigged I think this serves as a means of venting. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Yeoman Rand posted Message 2175 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 23:33:26 Subject: Re: If Hudson County where Star Trek who would be Capt. Kirk Can we mix & match city and county employees or are we limited? : So I think we can basically start a large posting by finding out who would be capt. Kirk, Spock, and whatever please try and give at least several potential candidates. Since the elections are all rigged I think this serves as a means of venting. ***************** End Of Article ****************** This could be a riot. posted Message 2176 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 23:42:53 Subject: Re: If Hudson County where Star Trek who would be Capt. Kirk Mix and match!.. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2177 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 15, 2003 at 23:52:25 Subject: Where did we get this guy ??? (McGee) Who was responsible for bringing Carlton McGee to Jersey City ? I've heard stories that he was related by marriage to either Jackson or Cardwell. Or that Cardwell had contacts with African American folks in Chicago who recommended this guy. Does anyone have the answer ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2178 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 16, 2003 at 04:12:23 Subject: Why not. . . Why not let one side be the Federation and the other side the Klingons? The gadflies and all the other Antis can be the Romulons. Of course, this is all based on the original Star Trek. I've never seen any of the nouveaux vintages. Beam me up Scottie! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens, The Urban Times News posted Message 2179 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 16, 2003 at 11:45:35 Subject: "INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP" jstevens@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2180 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 16, 2003 at 14:04:30 Subject: See when I change the names...it flows better and is much more accurate : Has everyone in Hudson County excepted that all of the politicans are corrupt. I saw a recent copy of the Hudson Reporter, and they have a photo of, currently indicted Ex-Mayor of Jersey City , beaming that his buddy won the Assembley seat. : Not a mention on the cover of the Hudson Reporter that he's has been in jail. : What happened to the 31st being unbiased and fair. : How can they be when our Mayor Glenn Cunningham, who has some sort of relationship with Bobby Jackson, Urbantimesnews.com, is representing every major Developer on the Waterfront. Look at his website,oh no you can't we are locked out need password.. No one answers the Office phone. : Hudson County on a whole needs a revolution, there needs to be systemic change throughout the whole system. : There is so much wasted money, and time, that could be better handled and managed to no avail. : But the citizens of Hudson just keep excepting it, and let it roll along. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Failed Housing Programs Ayala's legacy posted Message 2181 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 16, 2003 at 16:58:01 Subject: Jersey City owns a great deal of housing stock The city should get out of the landlord business and give the buildings and land it does not need away. There is a great economic reason for this in empowers ownership and increases the tax base. The city is holding on to property it does not need while its debt requirements go threw the roof thanks to Ayala. In essence Cunningham must be forced from office due to his inability to serve and handle complex issues. It is not enough to be clean and corruption free we require people with ideas and solutions to problems Cunnigham has not shown one hint as to being able to provide any of the solutions required. If anything is a testement to his inability to lead it is Ayala as his chief advisor. As far as McGee goes he would be better off leaving since the idiots that run the city couldn't even understand what he was trying to achieve. Why is it only the stupid hold office my guess is smart people tend to stay away from sinking ships. McGee should leave to serve another city one with more informed leadership. Cunningham you broke our hearts you are a pompous twit while not corrupt you are really DUMB. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Recall Cunningham based on stupidty posted Message 2182 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 16, 2003 at 17:01:59 Subject: Recall the ignorant fool of a Mayor The people must not be served by those that have no ability to think. I'm sure as a police officer Glenn served well but really a flatfoot as Mayor please we require someone that can dance a litttle tough times are coming flatfooted dimwits need not apply. Recall Glenn from the Mayors office and get that bloody fool Ayala a new truck. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ? posted Message 2183 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 16, 2003 at 20:34:08 Subject: Re: "INSIDE COUNTY LINES-YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP" : sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** makes ya wonder, huh Stevie? posted Message 2184 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 16, 2003 at 22:52:38 Subject: Hmmmm. A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control ***************** End Of Article ****************** Losing Faith posted Message 2185 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 10:16:21 Subject: Re: Ayala is working secretly for a Recall of Cunnignham You give this idiot too much credit. He has to use an instruction manual to tie his shoes in the morning. And he should know, even with his limitied intellect, that the N Hudson politicos think he's trash. Maybe they also think he's gullible enouth to take their bait, but it would be political suicide for him to turn on GDC. He makes over 100G and has more power than any child should be trusted with. Where else will he find a 330-million dollar sandbox to play in?? Ayala will only go north if GDC gets some smarts and cans his butt. And then ...why would they want him? : Ayala has all but signed the deal to help work against Glenn in a HCDO sponsored Recall for Mayor and forget about the Senate Race Glenn is out caputo. Ayala is probably the smartest political ice man to date. Just one critical mistake was made can you guess what that is? ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2186 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 16:05:51 Subject: Sound Familiar? Click on the Link to hear an audio clip. Post if you can identify the speaker. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2187 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 16:46:10 Subject: NEWS 12 Video: Assemblyman-elect Chiappone Appears On NJ Power & Politics To view the NEWS 12 video Online, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** sherlock holmes posted Message 2188 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 16:50:54 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? give us a hint. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2189 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 17:32:50 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? : give us a hint. If nobody gets it by noon on Tuesday, I'll post the answer. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 2190 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 17:37:03 Subject: Tonites show topics. Journal Squares a nightmare, MUA water bill collections,New Doctors office on MLK drive, Newport mall parking fee's "Yes that topic again"...and who wants tobe Mayor of Jersey City? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** SH posted Message 2191 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 17:49:51 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? Do we win anything....cuz I know the answer! ***************** End Of Article ****************** MJW posted Message 2192 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 19:28:47 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? Steven Glazer and Bobby Jackson during his interview for the Urban Times News. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Losing Faith posted Message 2193 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 20:46:56 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? Sounds like Denzel Washington giving the answer. No idea who is asking the question. : Click on the Link to hear an audio clip. Post if you can identify the speaker. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lippyleo posted Message 2194 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 17, 2003 at 21:19:51 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? : Click on the Link to hear an audio clip. Post if you can identify the speaker. The football star/actor/woman beater Jim Brown. ***************** End Of Article ****************** jj posted Message 2195 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 00:50:22 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? Cunnigham? ***************** End Of Article ****************** New County of Hope posted Message 2196 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 04:41:50 Subject: Jersey City needs to be another county If we kick Glenn out of office and run Ayala out of town we can then begin the process of getting Hudson County dirt bags and start a new county. So Step one throw Glenn out of office Step 2 Run Ayala out of town for good Step 3 remove Hudson County from our hair. On three lets go. If it where all that simple life would be grand but it is not easy and will never be easy until we break the chains of Hudson County off our backs. Imagine if you will a people that control their lives and their money and have their will expressed in the government that serves them. We are all victims no lets start kickin some you know what and free ourselves from the fools that steal our taxes our money our lives. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 2197 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 07:51:03 Subject: HCDO.org Registrant Name:Robert Janiszewski Registrant Organization:Hudson County Democratic Organization Registrant Street1:P O Box 8177 Registrant City:Jersey City Registrant State/Province:NJ Registrant Postal Code:07308 Registrant Country:US Registrant Email:info@hudsoncountydemocrats.org Admin ID:AITorgADM4423 Admin Name:Robert Janiszewski Admin Organization:Hudson County Democratic Organization Admin Street1:P O Box 8177 Admin City:Jersey City Admin State/Province:NJ Admin Postal Code:07308 Admin Country:US Admin Email:info@hudsoncountydemocrats.org Billing ID:AITorgBIL4423 Billing Name:Robert Janiszewski Billing Organization:Hudson County Democratic Organization Billing Street1:P O Box 8177 Billing City:Jersey City Billing State/Province:NJ Billing Postal Code:07308 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manolo posted Message 2198 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 07:52:36 Subject: HUDSONCOUNTYDEMOCRATS.org Registrant Name:Robert Janiszewski Registrant Organization:Hudson County Democratic Organization Registrant Street1:P O Box 8177 Registrant City:Jersey City Registrant State/Province:NJ Registrant Postal Code:07308 Registrant Country:US Registrant Email:info@hudsoncountydemocrats.org Admin ID:AITorgADM4423 Admin Name:Robert Janiszewski Admin Organization:Hudson County Democratic Organization Admin Street1:P O Box 8177 Admin City:Jersey City Admin State/Province:NJ Admin Postal Code:07308 Admin Country:US Admin Email:info@hudsoncountydemocrats.org Billing ID:AITorgBIL4423 Billing Name:Robert Janiszewski Billing Organization:Hudson County Democratic Organization Billing Street1:P O Box 8177 Billing City:Jersey City Billing State/Province:NJ Billing Postal Code:07308 Billing Country:US Billing Email:info@hudsoncountydemocrats.org ***************** End Of Article ****************** IXNAY posted Message 2199 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 08:12:01 Subject: Re: Sound Familiar? : Cunnigham? WRONG. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Who cares posted Message 2200 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 08:39:09 Subject: Re: Tonites show topics. Duh....anyone actually listen to this blowhard??? : Journal Squares a nightmare, MUA water bill collections,New Doctors office on MLK drive, Newport mall parking fee's "Yes that topic again"...and who wants tobe Mayor of Jersey City? all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Manala posted Message 2201 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 08:48:46 Subject: UrbanTimesNews.Com Domain Name.......... urbantimesnews.com Creation Date........ 2000-10-04 Registration Date.... 2000-10-04 Expiry Date.......... 2004-10-04 Organisation Name.... Jersey City Public Library/Miller Branch Organisation Address. 529 Bergen Ave Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Jersey City Organisation Address. 07304 Organisation Address. NJ Organisation Address. UNITED STATES Admin Name........... Martin Jackson Admin Address........ 529 Bergen Ave Admin Address........ Admin Address........ Jersey City Admin Address........ 07304 Admin Address........ NJ Admin Address........ UNITED STATES Admin Email.......... weblink@voicenet.com Admin Phone.......... (888)453 3564 Admin Fax............ Tech Name............ VERIO VERIO Tech Address......... 12345 Blue Lake Dr. Tech Address......... Tech Address......... Boca Raton Tech Address......... 33431 Tech Address......... FL Tech Address......... UNITED STATES Tech Email........... hostmaster@VERIO-HOSTING.COM Tech Phone........... 888-663-6648 Tech Fax............. Name Server.......... ns7.zoneedit.com Name Server.......... ns12.zoneedit.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2202 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 10:40:37 Subject: Common knowledge The fact that the registration for the Urban Times website is being paid for with Library funds has been common knowledge for some time now. Councilman Gaughan, among others, has questioned it. And nothing has happened. Just another example of the malfeasance of the Cunningham Gang. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2203 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 10:48:15 Subject: I think it's ... MALCOLM X ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2204 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 10:54:43 Subject: Yes, it's Malcolm X Yes, it's Malcolm X from a speech at Berkeley (University of California) on October 11, 1963. ***************** End Of Article ****************** People for Open Government posted Message 2205 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 16:56:44 Subject: Hoboken Council Delays Vote PEOPLE FOR OPEN GOVERNMENT November 18, 2003 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: John Glasel (201) 533-0435; j.glasel@att.net ================================================================ HOBOKEN COUNCIL DELAYS VOTE HOBOKEN - A proposal to bring the City of Hoboken's communications into the 21st Century was removed from Monday night's City Council agenda after proponents objected to a sub-committee's changes in the bill. The measure would provide for all city offices, boards and agencies to communicate via e-mail and require that public information and documents be posted on its web site. The original sponsors of the bill, People for Open Government (POG), were surprised by what appeared to be an attempt to water down their "Electronic Access Ordinance" by converting it into a "resolution," which is much easier to repeal. The group was nonplussed. "Everyone on the City Council said they liked our proposal, but it came out of their subcommittee a pale shadow of its former self," said spokesman John Glasel. In addition to transforming it into a resolution, he added, "they stuck in a couple of loopholes big enough to drive a truck bomb through." As a result of POG's objections, its representatives were invited to a meeting of the Council's Technology Sub-committee to be held next week. It was hoped that differences could be resolved so that the three-step ordinance enactment process could be started at the next Council meeting, slated for December 3rd . #### ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2206 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 17:47:10 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show: November 17, 2003 To access an Online recording of Pat's broadcast, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rem posted Message 2207 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 18, 2003 at 19:08:36 Subject: Re: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show: November 17, 2003 O' happy, happy, joy, joy...our lives are now complete! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jay Stevens, The Urban Times News posted Message 2208 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 19, 2003 at 04:49:56 Subject: CUNNINGHAM A RACIST, URBAN TIMES NEWS A RACIST PUBLICATION, IN FACT EVERYBODY WE KNOW IS A RACIST The Urban Times News By Jay Stevens--email:jstevens@urbantimesnews.com Excerpted from Inside County Lines by Jay Stevens from UTN coming edition… A good friend of ours operates a popular website, getnj.com with a Hudson County Politics message board. We have posted some articles there from time to time, and your author has posted this column there on occasion. Shortly after we started doing this, he was labeled a racist as was his message board. Our friend the website editor, is Caucasian, Eastern European, Slavic, high cheekbone variety, one Anthony Olszewski by name. You do not get much whiter specimens. You would think he was spewing forth KKK propaganda on his website. Nothing of the kind had happened. He had merely allowed an African American publication to post some articles and columns on his website. He was formerly aligned with and even worked for the Schundler administration. Our Mr. Olszewski is an erudite man and the accusations of racism leveled against him from out of left field rang a bell and the little light bulb went on. Our friend the web site editor went digging through the archives and found what he was looking for: A recording of a speech given long ago by Malcolm X, predicting the phenomenon of Uncle Harvey, and explaining how Jersey City’s first African American Mayor, Glenn Cunningham comes to be labeled a racist by the political opposition and the press they control. It is truly eye opening to listen to Malcolm X’s remarks given forty years ago. If you did not know, you would easily believe it was today, right now that these remarks were said and they could easily refer to what is going on with Cunningham and his war with the political machine here in Hudson County. You can hear the audio of Malcolm’s remarks by going to the website, a clicking on the link, or just copy or cut and paste this link into your browser window-www.njreporter.com/labelclipedit.m3u. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2209 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 19, 2003 at 06:52:12 Subject: Ayala promised new job as Mayor after regiem change In a less than public manner Ayala has been shopping his services to potential rivals to the current Mayor's regime. By laying the ground work for his eventual run for Mayor. Funding is not an issue the HCDO spent 2.5 million against Glenn in a primary and lost whats another 2.5 million to get Ayala elected Mayor. The lack of refinancing will e laid at Glenns feet and be used by those that oppose to defeat the Mayor in a special recall election the effort under way. The HCDO does not want Glenn around so they are able and willing to do what needs to be done. The only problem is the Mayor provided the fuel for his own fire Bye Bye Mr. Mayor hello Mr. Ayala. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2210 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 19, 2003 at 06:55:21 Subject: Ayala Parade get in front and lead or get run over The line starts to the rear for the Ayala for Mayor Parade. No it is not official but what is in Hudsonland. A rumor is as good as a fact the only certain thing is you are being wire tapped and eventually will meet a Federal Agent at least one you know is. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The real truth needs to be told. posted Message 2211 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 19, 2003 at 18:40:41 Subject: Re: CUNNINGHAM A RACIST, URBAN TIMES NEWS A RACIST PUBLICATION, IN FACT EVERYBODY WE KNOW IS A RACIST Who are you kidding! Jay Stevens is a factious person the real writer is Steven Glazer posing as a 50 yr old African American women. You claim you post time to time. For the past 7 months, you have flooded this message boards on a daily basis. You were even suspended from posting because you were out of control. Mr. Glazer do you recall telling a community leader at a Jersey City council meeting that your soul purpose was to promote Bobby Jackson's personal agenda no matter what the cost is ? You are also Caucasian, Eastern European, and Jewish. This has nothing to do with anything. The bottom line and this is in your own words Steven Glazer "The goal is to line Bobby Jackson's pockets and I want a piece of it"...this is the real reason. You feel the more hurtful things you write will impress your boss well Steve you are sadly mistaken. What would Bobby Jackson think if he knew the things that you are doing behind his back. I have no pity on Mr. Jackson you both are your own worst enemies except he has millions and you have nothing Steve. And by posting this crap will never make him share it with you.. You along with Bobby Jackson have used Mr. Olszewski for your own personal agenda. He has a wonderful site and should move forward away from this type nonsense. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2212 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 20, 2003 at 03:43:49 Subject: GET NJ Can't Identify Anonymous Posters Neither Steve Glazer nor the Urban Times news were ever suspended from posting at this board. A few anonymous posters (on both sides of the aisle) were barred for 24 hours (either for inappropriate material or for flooding). GET NJ can prevent a particular Internet connection from placing messages, but has no way of determining the identity of anonymous posters. - - - As has been said many times, use of the Hudson County Politics Board at GET NJ is available to all. Anybody can post a text messages directly from the Page. If an organization would like assistance in posting material with extensive formatting, logos, or pictures, GET NJ is ready to help. ALL views are welcome as long as they relate to Hudson County Politics in some concrete way and stay inside the bounds of legality and taste (by Hudson County political standards which are -- granted -- very low). : Who are you kidding! : Jay Stevens is a factious person the real writer is Steven Glazer posing as a 50 yr old African American women. : You claim you post time to time. For the past 7 months, you have flooded this message boards on a daily basis. You were even suspended from posting because you were out of control. : Mr. Glazer do you recall telling a community leader at a Jersey City council meeting that your soul purpose was to promote Bobby Jackson's personal agenda no matter what the cost is ? : You are also Caucasian, Eastern European, and Jewish. This has nothing to do with anything. : The bottom line and this is in your own words Steven Glazer "The goal is to line Bobby Jackson's pockets and I want a piece of it"...this is the real reason. : You feel the more hurtful things you write will impress your boss well Steve you are sadly mistaken. What would Bobby Jackson think if he knew the things that you are doing behind his back. : I have no pity on Mr. Jackson you both are your own worst enemies except he has millions and you have nothing Steve. And by posting this crap will never make him share it with you.. : You along with Bobby Jackson have used Mr. Olszewski for your own personal agenda. : He has a wonderful site and should move forward away from this type nonsense. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The truth needs to be told posted Message 2213 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 20, 2003 at 09:28:49 Subject: Re: GET NJ Can't Identify Anonymous Posters Anthony, the poster who was barred for 24 hours was Steve Glaze He even told us that he couldn't post dirunf that time. The problem is not Getnj.... it's Glazer's abuse of Getnj. As for the statement below....How true! ALL views are welcome as long as they relate to Hudson County Politics in some concrete way and stay inside the bounds of legality and taste (by Hudson County political standards which are -- granted -- very low ***************** End Of Article ****************** LQQK HERE! posted Message 2214 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 20, 2003 at 11:11:18 Subject: Schundler For Mayor Schundler (L.) to run for Mayor with the help of Congressman Robert Menenedez (C.) and Kay LiCausi (R.). To dream the impossible dream, that this post shall not be deleted! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Santa's helper posted Message 2215 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 20, 2003 at 21:01:32 Subject: Offshore Bank Accounts Is it possible for all Hudson County politicians that have accounts offshore to at least kick back ten percent to a charitable cause in Hudson County. This year has been tough on everyone and giving is down. We realize that the mistress requires a certain amount every month and that new seawall will really improve the property in the Turks but please remember where you took the money from and throw a taste back to the little people during this giving season. Happy Holidays. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Santa's helper posted Message 2216 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 20, 2003 at 21:05:22 Subject: Contest Time guess the name of the offshore trust A funny thing happened while going through Ayalas trash strange and wonderful things appeared. A statement from a tropical location with numbers lots of numbers. But not in the name of the owner of the trash but rather in the name of a Trust. So its contest time guess the name of Ayala's offshore trust account and win a prize. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2217 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 20, 2003 at 21:29:27 Subject: DAVID FRIEDLAND !!!! Or was it Cornelius Gallagher ??? ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2218 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 21, 2003 at 11:09:22 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired : Hey BJ....who is Dorf ? I'm so out of touch. You are out of touch .. Brian Dorf is a good man and this slander and petty politcal unprofessional garbage and mudslinging is disgusting ... and immature .. You all don't deserve to have Brian Dorf anywhere on your campaign .. You guys are the lowest of the low .. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2219 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 21, 2003 at 12:16:25 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired : Hey BJ....who is Dorf ? I'm so out of touch. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2220 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 21, 2003 at 12:17:53 Subject: Re: Ayala Parade get in front and lead or get run over : The line starts to the rear for the Ayala for Mayor Parade. No it is not official but what is in Hudsonland. A rumor is as good as a fact the only certain thing is you are being wire tapped and eventually will meet a Federal Agent at least one you know is. And I will cheer the day when you are flushed from the political pipes of Jersey City. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2221 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 21, 2003 at 13:31:49 Subject: Re: Check your spelling!!!! First of all .. whoever wrote this is has no clue about anything .. nor does not know the truth .. nor does not know how to spell .. Mr Dorf as you call him is none of what you described .. you have no clue what he is all about .. No he was not canned as you say ..He is a very good person with a great mind ... creative thinking and ideas ..and as far as this campaign goes it is nothing more than disgusting mudslinging garbage and lies .. which is what your campaign is all about ..can't wait to see you go down the political pipes of jersey : I object to the harsh tone used against "parasites" : First, how hard can it be to use spell check! : Second, comparing Parasites (who are a valuable part of the world's ecology) to Brian Dorf, is offensive to Parasites. We need to distinguish between a necessary organism in Nature's food chain from Brian Dorf for which there is no justification. : He got fired, drives around in a corvette, and lives off of his daddy. : And think of this. Of all the real winners down in City Hall, Dorf is the only one to manange to get himself fired. : And yes, the Cunningham Team has been on a big winning streak since he was canned. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2222 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 21, 2003 at 16:35:10 Subject: Re: Typical : Spoken like a true Cunningham Kool Aid drinker. Hey I think this is petty immature political garbage and mudslinging .. my gosh .. Mr Dorf has a great head on his shoulders and is tons better than all this political crap.. The stuff about bringing up his brother was so very wrong .. hope this campaign goes down the political pipes of jersey ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cayman Islands posted Message 2223 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 21, 2003 at 19:45:56 Subject: Walters, Menendez, Scarinci Et Al Cayman Islands ............Bruce Walters & Bob Menendez set up the accounts years ago. Made many many trips. Excuse was "going there to fish". : A funny thing happened while going through Ayalas trash strange and wonderful things appeared. A statement from a tropical location with numbers lots of numbers. But not in the name of the owner of the trash but rather in the name of a Trust. So its contest time guess the name of Ayala's offshore trust account and win a prize. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Santa's Helper posted Message 2224 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 21, 2003 at 22:02:14 Subject: What does the HCDO and the King of Pop have in common? They take from the innocent the only thing they have their soul. That includes you Mr. Mayor and your side kick truckdriver buddy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** It's So Obvious posted Message 2225 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 22, 2003 at 11:04:46 Subject: Maurice Fitzgibbons ! : They take from the innocent the only thing they have their soul. That includes you Mr. Mayor and your side kick truckdriver buddy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** UBERHIPPY posted Message 2226 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 22, 2003 at 16:50:18 Subject: Dave Friedland, Legislator Dave Friedland, Legislator By Anthony Olszewski In the 1960's and 70's, Dave Friedland was the quintessential New Jersey politician. As Hudson County's version of the Renaissance man, he was a poet, lawyer to the Teamsters, legislator, scuba diver, fugitive, and, finally, inmate. Dave Friedland also possessed remarkable powers of persuasion. One day, on the New Jersey State Assembly floor, David Friedland worked himself into a frenzy prophesizing the doom that would befall New Jersey, Society, yea, the Universe, if a certain bill passed. "Women will no longer bear children...The sun shall cease rising in the East...Stars shall come loose in the night sky and fall into the ocean... His speech was cut short by a lunch break. As Dave Friedland was about to leave the building, an aide, out of breath, came running up to him. "Sir, you've got a phone call." Not breaking his stride, without turning to look at the functionary, "Tell them, I'll call back." Braking by pressing his heels into the marble floor, the aide grabbed Dave Friedland, by the sleeve. "You've got a call." Assemblyman Friedland knew what a call was. He immediately turned and hurried to his office. Pushing past a minor multitude of favor and job seekers, David Friedland made his way to a back room. Dave closed and locked the door before picking up the phone. J.V. Kenny, political boss of Hudson County for two generations, was on the other end. "Are you out of your mind! That's my bill! I've been working all year to get that thing passed! What are you doing! Stop it! STOP IT! STOP IT!!!" And then hung up. Later that afternoon, after lunch, as the Assembly re-convened, Dave Friedland rose to speak. "Now that I've pointed out the few minor flaws, imperfections, merely cosmetic blemishes so-to-speak, of this fine bill, let me now relate all its good points, the benefits, the bounty, the cornucopia...." The bill passed. - - - In a strange confluence of Hudson County politics and the dazed and confused zeitgeist of the '70s (Was the geist, zeit or polter?), as a campaign promotion, Dave Friedland proposed printing his name on packs of rolling papers! In a further stroke of warped genius, he intended to have a different campaign promise on each individual sheet. An aide convinced him that the druggie "constituency" probably did not include many voters ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hoboken PBA posted Message 2227 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 23, 2003 at 02:16:38 Subject: Jersey City Police Officer Domenick Infantes I'm sure that everyone is aware of a recent verdict out of Hudson County Superior Court over the Domenick Infantes Murder which, to my mind, is outrageous. The members of Jersey City PD are seeking support to force a Civil Rights prosecution against the Gavina Brothers & to persuade Judge Kevin Callahan of Hudson County Superior Court to impose the MAXIMUM sentence in this case. Copies of form letters were handed out at the candle light vigil for Domenick in Jersey City on 11/14. I have posted form letters on the Hoboken PBA Web Site for download and printing at:http://www.hobokenpba.org/infanteshelp.html I am asking anyone who finds these events to be as outrageous as I do to please print out, complete and send these letters to show our support for law enforcement and for the family of the fallen officer. Thanks for your time. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unkown@aol.com posted Message 2228 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 23, 2003 at 15:48:17 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired : Is it a coincidence that once Brian Dorf was fired that Cunningham has been on a winning streak? I think that remark about Brian Dorf's hair and goutee was disgusting and immature .. can't believe political candidates can make comments like that .. how dumb and immature ... Brian Dorf looks fine and takes great care of himself .. has always been independent .. He is better off than the joker who wrote this and the rest of these dumb immature comments ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 2229 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 24, 2003 at 18:06:37 Subject: Tonite on HCT. Thanksgiving in Hudson County, Trenton thinking about pumping the price of gas 32 cents a gal?, JC's old muni court house on the auction block?, Schundler sightings, Container port in Bayonne, Nidia's toast on 12/15 all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown@aol.com posted Message 2230 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 12:37:34 Subject: Re: Check your spelling!!!! I totally object to your reference to a parasite .. stop the political garbage ... can't wait till this campaign goes down the jersey sewer pipes where you belong As for Brian Dorf ... he is definitely not a parasite .. not in a million years .. not even in the same league or class as the writer of this message board .. he is a great PR man and spokesperson .. not to mention handsome too :) : I object to the harsh tone used against "parasites" : First, how hard can it be to use spell check! : Second, comparing Parasites (who are a valuable part of the world's ecology) to Brian Dorf, is offensive to Parasites. We need to distinguish between a necessary organism in Nature's food chain from Brian Dorf for which there is no justification. : He got fired, drives around in a corvette, and lives off of his daddy. : And think of this. Of all the real winners down in City Hall, Dorf is the only one to manange to get himself fired. : And yes, the Cunningham Team has been on a big winning streak since he was canned. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bill posted Message 2231 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 12:55:11 Subject: Re: Dave Friedland, Legislator :What ever happened to Friedland anyway, last I read he was still doing the scuba diving instructor thing down in Florida? That dosen't sound like enough excitment for a man of his talents and exploits. ***************** End Of Article ****************** paul revere posted Message 2232 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 15:26:55 Subject: Revolt against the Republican Party and the Bush administration. Revolt against the Republican Party and the Bush administration. Petition: TELL CONGRESS WE WANT A PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFIT UNDER MEDICARE PART B (put this link in a browser at work and at a public library and leave the page showing. Make it a browser favorite too) Location: http://www.thePetitionSite.com/takeaction/383366962 INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING ABOUT REPUBLICANS, PUNISH REPUBLICANS. I have started the Buy nothing on Fridays movement. The Buy nothing Friday movement will work this way. You will tell your friends and family and colleagues who do not use the net, to avoid buying anything on Fridays. You and everyone you speak to will tell their merchants that we do not support the chimp and we're going on a purchasing strike on every Friday until the Nov 2004 election. You also tell them that you hope they will do everything they can to help vote the chimp out and their republican congresspeople out in 2004. You will tell your friends, family and merchants If the chimp steals another election or somehow wins, you will also avoid purchasing items on Thursday and this will inflict more punishment on them for not doing enough to unseat the chimp in the 2004 election. Boycott the LA Dodgers, Arnold's movies, the Viper Car Alarm, Disneyland until Arnold resigns leaving Cruz Bustamante to serve as Governor. Spread the word. Boycott the LA Dodgers, Arnold's movies, the Viper Car Alarm, Disneyland until Arnold resigns leaving Cruz Bustamante to serve as Governor. Do not go to any games where the LA Dodgers appear as visitors or home and tell the Dodgers you will see their games after they get Arnold to resign. Browse http://www.dodgers.com and send them email from their website telling them to get Arnold to resign or you will not see their games. Browse these websites http://www.schwarzenegger.com and email them from their site that you will not buy nor rent Arnold's movies from the video store. http://www.directed.com makers of the Viper Car Alarm once owned by Darrell Issa and email them from their website that you will not buy the Viper Car alarm. http://www.disneyland.com and email from their website that you will not go to Disney Land. You will refrain from doing business with these 4 entities until Arnold Schwarzenegger resigns leaving Cruz Bustamante to take office as Governor. Stop the Republican Texas redistricting effort. Call JC Penney Corporate Headquarters in Plano, Texas and tell them unless they get Governor Goodhair Perry to stop redistricting until 2010 when it should happen again, you will not set foot in another JC Penney Store again. Simple. So let it get written, so let it get done. Call them at 1-800-322-1189 Petition: TELL CONGRESS YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN AGENDA Location: http://www.thePetitionSite.com/takeaction/630654745 "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith (1908 - ) The George W Bush 2000 Stolen Election Commemorative Gold Coin http://www.stolenelectioncoin.com I don't blame America first. I blame Republicans first. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2233 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 15:34:55 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2234 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 16:10:56 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show, November 24, 2003 To access an Online recording of last night's broadcast, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Auntie Em posted Message 2235 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 22:03:15 Subject: I'm sick and tired of corruption now stop it Guys haven't you taken enough really all those millions hundreds of millions and still going at it. Is there no end to the greed at some point you should just say enough is enough but not you hundreds of millions is not enough so you go on and on taking and no giving please stop its really boring. If you stop now maybe when they do get you they will say what a nice group of corrupt politicians maybe we do not have to lock them up for too long. Get the idea and you know who you are STOP IT NOW or else. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Refinance Alert posted Message 2236 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 22:05:46 Subject: Help I've fallen down and cannot get up Help I've fallen down and cannot get up thats the sound of Jersey City not Refinancing the debt soon. Do it now and save $50 million or do it later and pay $50 million or more. I did not want to have to say this but this Refinance Alert is brought to you compliments of Ayala the wonder whatever. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Stupido posted Message 2237 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 22:11:17 Subject: Ayala the Wonder Whatever After a couple of one on one sessions with a therapist maybe the second bannana to Glenn's comedy routine could spray us with some seltzer and some pancake powder then I would have a laugh on something other than the pitiful show Ayala gave us the other day when he physically mauled someone with two police officiers witnessing and a reporter to boot. Come on Ayala stop the truckstop tactics this is a grown up world so change your diaper take the lollipop out of your mouth and act like a man with some form of civilization. Glenn get Ayala some new cloths and shoes with lifts that way his knuckles wouldn't scrap when he walks. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Contest Time posted Message 2238 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 22:13:00 Subject: What Medical Procedure should we rename for Ayala? What Medical Procedure should we rename for Ayala? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dorothy and Toto too! posted Message 2239 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 25, 2003 at 23:49:45 Subject: Dear auntie Em, Tell us who your speaking to. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2240 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 26, 2003 at 08:37:09 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired : Hey BJ....who is Dorf ? I'm so out of touch. You are out of touch ..Brian Dorf is a great PR man .. creative thinker .. great person .. a great people person who gets results! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mary's Little Lamb posted Message 2241 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 26, 2003 at 09:40:37 Subject: Re: Ayala the Wonder Whatever Someone needs to tell Mrs. Cunningham that its not "be kind to orphaned animals" month and maybe she'll stop protecting that socially deviant gorilla. : After a couple of one on one sessions with a therapist maybe the second bannana to Glenn's comedy routine could spray us with some seltzer and some pancake powder then I would have a laugh on something other than the pitiful show Ayala gave us the other day when he physically mauled someone with two police officiers witnessing and a reporter to boot. Come on Ayala stop the truckstop tactics this is a grown up world so change your diaper take the lollipop out of your mouth and act like a man with some form of civilization. Glenn get Ayala some new cloths and shoes with lifts that way his knuckles wouldn't scrap when he walks. ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Wookie posted Message 2242 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 26, 2003 at 10:57:41 Subject: Vasectomy - Afterall he has no balls Vasectomy - Afterall he has no balls - This was too easy... : What Medical Procedure should we rename for Ayala? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kiss my ..... posted Message 2243 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 26, 2003 at 21:11:48 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag These comments from low-lifes that use anything but their own names.....all a bunch of trash and nothing more. : : : I could not have said it better....well done!.... : : Thank you for reading The Urban Times News. : : Hey Glazer,you punk. Cat got your tongue. Answer the question. Got the onions to call Harvey, "uncle Harvey" to his face? Or are just A Bobby Jackson butt boy hiding behind a computer. Stand up once in your life and be a man. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Advisor posted Message 2244 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 26, 2003 at 21:14:48 Subject: Re: McGee to be investigated Hey J Edgar.....or should I say Bill Ayala....still wearing dresses??? : For trying to push the Knight Group without administration or council approval. The JJ says that neither the administration or council can understand why this group must get paid. : Stay tuned ***************** End Of Article ****************** Answer the question dirt bagette posted Message 2245 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 26, 2003 at 21:51:59 Subject: Re: Glazer the Dirt Bag And you are? ***************** End Of Article ****************** William Dunn, Chairman, New Jersey for Clark posted Message 2246 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 16:12:41 Subject: LOCAL CLARK SUPPORTERS TO HOLD HOBOKEN FUNDRAISER CONTACT: William Dunn, Chairman, New Jersey for Clark, ***************** End Of Article ****************** We're Doomed posted Message 2247 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 16:18:58 Subject: Re: Help I've fallen down and cannot get up Well as long as Mayor Cunningham listens to that idiot Bill Ayala....we're doomed. Lord help us all if this is the best we can find amongst us to lead this great city. I should have stayed in Manhattan and paid the higher rents. At least we had competent leadership there. And people of talent served in the interests of the community, not themselves. : Help I've fallen down and cannot get up thats the sound of Jersey City not Refinancing the debt soon. Do it now and save $50 million or do it later and pay $50 million or more. I did not want to have to say this but this Refinance Alert is brought to you compliments of Ayala the wonder whatever. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Clark is a Clinton shill but a good candidate anyway posted Message 2248 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 22:28:11 Subject: Re: LOCAL CLARK SUPPORTERS TO HOLD HOBOKEN FUNDRAISER The candidate General Clark is worthy of running even though he is supported by Clinton who wants to remain in control of the Democratic machine nationally. If Clark can formulate a concrete body of policy he could make a dent in the Dean machine which has Republicans contributing since they feel his run to the left will insure a Bush re-election. : CONTACT: William Dunn, Chairman, New Jersey for Clark, ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2249 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 22:33:03 Subject: How is Cunninghams run for the Senate going I have heard nothing about Glenn's run for the Senate or od they think its some kind of lay up with the Democratic Ticket. I suggest a Republican two front war. Get Glenn recalled and put heavy money against his senate run. I think the HCDO might contribute to the Republican candidate at this point. The plan is to unseat Glenn as Mayor and make his victory for senator marginalized. Imagine the HCDO and the Republicans working together simply to end Glenn's polictical career all they really have to do is make sure Ayala stays on Glenns staff he is damage enough maybe Ayala is a Republican. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2250 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 22:36:53 Subject: HCDO New Years Resolution This year I will take less of the taxpayers money for my own use. I will quit smoking, I will diet and exercise, I will become master of my own domain. I will promise to be good to my family and not beat my wife. I will not open any offshore bank accounts this year. I will try to actually show up for appointments. I will not wear a wire for the Feds. I will subscribe to the Urban Times. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Santa's Helper posted Message 2251 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 22:39:34 Subject: HCDO Holiday Party who will play Santa A rather large debate has continued who will play Santa at the HCDO Holiday Party the contract with Mr. Michael Jackson has been canceled at the last minute. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2252 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 22:41:24 Subject: Ayala's secret now told People will wonder why such a stupid guy did so well the secret can now be told Ayala is really a blonde. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2253 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 27, 2003 at 23:15:33 Subject: HCDO New Years Resolution I will ignore all the trash that Steven Glazer and the Urban Times News post on GetNj. I know he is a troll and even a troll is a living thing. I will try to understand that even spineless,pond scum,butt-boy, like Steve Glazer have to make a living. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2254 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 28, 2003 at 03:36:05 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Amazing posted Message 2255 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 28, 2003 at 10:22:59 Subject: Re: HCDO New Years Resolution Gee Wiz Ayala....nothing better to do on Thanksgiving than read and respond to postings on the message boards? What a pitiful life you must have. : I will ignore all the trash that Steven Glazer and the Urban Times News post on GetNj. : I know he is a troll and even a troll is a living thing. : I will try to understand that even spineless,pond scum,butt-boy, like Steve Glazer have to make a living. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Not Alaya posted Message 2256 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 28, 2003 at 12:34:06 Subject: Re: HCDO New Years Resolution : Gee Wiz .... you had nothing better to do on Thanksgiving than put the original posting on the message board? What a pitiful life you must have. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2257 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 28, 2003 at 17:37:09 Subject: HCDO to conduct classes in creative bribe taking and offshore money washing Due to the great demand amongst regulators the HCDO has been asked to provide guidance and instruction on the fine art of bribe taking and offshore money washing. The classes will be held at that very special coffee location in Hoboken classes will start at 7:00 AM and will end around 9:00 AM. Part of the class will be actual bribes and side deals being made coffee will have to be purchased by the members of the class. No tape recorders, note taking, or video cameras allowed. If you know of this location the class is open to all excluding Federal Investigators. Students are expected to kick back at least 10 percent of the bribes collected. If you are able to cheat the instructor you pass those that are forced to pay the total amount will fail. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Musto's Revenge posted Message 2258 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 28, 2003 at 17:39:40 Subject: HCDO has established a price list for all votes cast in the county Living $150.00 per vote with unlimited party affiliation Dead $500.00 per vote ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer-Urban Times News posted Message 2259 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 29, 2003 at 13:50:42 Subject: THE BOND BOMB KEEPS TICKING-BUDGET DEFICIT ALTERNATIVES TAXES, LAYOFFS Steven Glazer-Urban Times News ***************** End Of Article ****************** 19 Months and Counting posted Message 2260 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 29, 2003 at 15:30:05 Subject: Re: THE BOND BOMB KEEPS TICKING-BUDGET DEFICIT ALTERNATIVES TAXES, LAYOFFS : Steven Glazer-Urban Times News So much for the mayor man being a financial genius. His great plan is to borrow to pay for opreating expenses and hope something good happens in the mean time. Not one word as to how to cut spending or raise cash. That would require thought and some tough choices. Glenn was never able to do that. Stevie, your guy is cooked, stick a fork in him. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Joker posted Message 2261 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 29, 2003 at 21:40:31 Subject: Re: Ayala could be the defacto Mayor You gotta be kidding. This duntz couldn't be elected dog catcher. He's got the personality of a ritz cracker...(sorry to insult the ritz people) and social skills of an elephant. He is obviously deficient for reasons we can only speculate about. His socially remedial personality makes me guess he was adopted at a late age. There is something wrong with that boy. : When you look at the record of the Mayor Ayalas work is clearly seen. The Mayor when he is elected Senator will need a strong presence to run the city I believe Ayala is that person maybe the next Mayor. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2262 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 29, 2003 at 23:02:01 Subject: Did the Council vote on this yet ? I haven't seen anything in the papers. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Down goes the Cunningham Ship posted Message 2263 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 30, 2003 at 14:32:20 Subject: Cunningham to be run out of town shortly The bond debacle is only the begining soon more information about the inability of Glenn to lead will be revealed as if you have not seen enough already. Goodbye Mr. Mayor next time they should elect a non-idiot ***************** End Of Article ****************** Can You Lend Me a Dime? posted Message 2264 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 30, 2003 at 16:47:17 Subject: Re: THE BOND BOMB KEEPS TICKING-BUDGET DEFICIT ALTERNATIVES TAXES, LAYOFFS If Mayor Cunningham plans to bond for operating expenses, good luck getting it past the DLGS. Bonding for operating expenses is a "no no" except in case of a fiscal year adjustment bond like McCann did in '91. The city can only bond for capital goods and improvements which can be depreciated over 7 years or more...ie Roads, Bridges, Buildings, Fire Trucks, etc. Bonding for operating expenses is a "no go" and Trenton would no doubt shoot it down. If anything in particular will bring this administration down...its the mishandling of the budget situation. And it just keeps getting worse. How about a round of applause for our cracker jack team of financial whiz kids??? : So much for the mayor man being a financial genius. His great plan is to borrow to pay for opreating expenses and hope something good happens in the mean time. Not one word as to how to cut spending or raise cash. That would require thought and some tough choices. Glenn was never able to do that. Stevie, your guy is cooked, stick a fork in him. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2265 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 30, 2003 at 17:37:20 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired : :: I thought his hair & goatee made him look like a potential candidate for the lead in a revival of Damn Yankees. : : : Is it a coincidence that once Brian Dorf was fired that Cunningham has been on a winning streak? Hmmmm .. I believe someone is totally out of touch because Brian's hair and goatee are very nice and he wears them very well .. I do find your childish comments extremely immature and disgusting and hope your political campaign goes down the political pipes of Jersey really fast ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2266 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : November 30, 2003 at 17:40:24 Subject: Re: Recall the ignorant fool of a Mayor : The people must not be served by those that have no ability to think. I'm sure as a police officer Glenn served well but really a flatfoot as Mayor please we require someone that can dance a litttle tough times are coming flatfooted dimwits need not apply. Recall Glenn from the Mayors office and get that bloody fool Ayala a new truck. Hope this mayor's campaign goes down the political pipes of Jersey like real soon ***************** End Of Article ****************** Woolly Bully posted Message 2267 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 01, 2003 at 01:03:12 Subject: Happy Ending Some stories have them. This one does. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 2268 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 01, 2003 at 15:00:10 Subject: Tonite on HCT. LaBelle & Fat Joe concert bill comes due the 64K question is....Who pays the 74K back?...JC DMV inspection station who knew about the closing?....Bayonne cops ride the rails as in lite rail....Who replaces Brian Stack as Freeholder? all this and more Monday night @ 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio ..Hudson County's Talking ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2269 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 01, 2003 at 18:41:21 Subject: The show in a nutshell Who pays the $74K back? No matter how many ways you slice it...we will. JCDMV, who knew? Guaranteed the DMV knew months ago. We the taxpaying public are on a need to know basis only, much like when they started holding the public meetings before they renovated the Tonnelle/5th St area (we found out those plans were first put on the table 20years ago). Though I imagine the people who live in the immediate area will be delighted. Bayonne cops to ride light rail? I've seen some of them, it won't be a "light" rail for long! (Sorry, that was just staring me in the face.) Who replaces Brian Stack as Freeholder? Rudy Garcia? (snicker,snicker) ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2270 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 01, 2003 at 18:42:49 Subject: Re: Happy Ending So, are you going to tell us the story? ***************** End Of Article ****************** James Nesfield posted Message 2271 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 01, 2003 at 19:22:18 Subject: What will Jersey City do for Taxes when DTC moves to Florida and all the jobs go to India? What will Jersey City do for Taxes when DTC moves to Florida and all the jobs go to India? The leaders of Jersey City if there are any better start to figure out how to attract business to the City and it better be good real good. The value added of being in a close proximity to lower Manhattan will vanish all the back-office jobs will be taken to India. So where are the tax dollars coming from, the answer nowhere in 2005. So refinance the debt and actually build an infrastructure that is world class so you can attract business and taxes. Jersey City needs to stop adding the corruption taxes now paid by business via the un-official network. The real world is competing for the same tax dollars and jobs remove the friction of corruption build the systems that sustains stop lining your pockets. The people need leadership with vision. What value is there in being in Jersey City besides being close to Manhattan? A good point to start would be to separate from Hudson County and form a new county. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Think About It posted Message 2272 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 01, 2003 at 22:05:52 Subject: Bush Visits Newark Do I have to Draw You A Picture ? ? ***************** End Of Article ****************** ???????????????? posted Message 2273 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 01, 2003 at 22:49:30 Subject: Re: Bush Visits Newark Yes you do cuz I ain't gettin it ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2274 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 02, 2003 at 02:41:49 Subject: Welcome to the Message Board. Welcome to the Message Board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 2275 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 02, 2003 at 12:40:33 Subject: GAUGHAN, COUNCIL SAY THEY WANT HIGHER TAXES-LET THE GAMES BEGIN AND THE BOND WATCH CONTINUES sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2276 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 02, 2003 at 18:15:01 Subject: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show for December 1, 2003 To access the Online audio recording of the show, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2277 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 02, 2003 at 20:57:55 Subject: Re: Cunningham to be run out of town shortly : The bond debacle is only the begining soon more information about the inability of Glenn to lead will be revealed as if you have not seen enough already. Goodbye Mr. Mayor next time they should elect a non-idiot hmmm looks like this campaign is going down the political pipes of Jersey City fast ... ***************** End Of Article ****************** BJ posted Message 2278 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 03, 2003 at 07:51:02 Subject: Re: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show for December 1, 2003 Oh happy, happy, joy, joy. I've been waiting all week for this moment. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rem posted Message 2279 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 03, 2003 at 08:37:15 Subject: Re: Pat O'Melia's Hudson County's Talking Radio Show for December 1, 2003 Oh joy, oh joy! ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2280 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 03, 2003 at 17:21:56 Subject: Re: WOW !!!! : Brian, if it is indeed you posting this, kudos to you for using your own name and fighting back. : I've not always agreed with your choice of employers. You might call Gerry McCann, Bob Janiszewski and Glenn Cunningham the rogues gallery of Hudson County politics. But to have someone bring up your dead brother is typical of the many low blows delivered in this forum. It is reprehensible. : The one thing I do agree with you on is Bill Ayala. The man is venal, two-faced and totally untrustworthy. He is a worthy chief of staff for one of the worst Administrations in Jersey City's history. Hey another hats off to Dorf for fighting back against these idiots who are slandering his great name .. For all you out of touch with things Dorf is a great guy and has a better head on his shoulders than the idiots who wrote that disgusting crap as well as bringing up personal and private stuff .. Glad to read what Dorf wrote some time back .... very eloquently put .. so from the voice of Dorf .. hope the campaign goes down the political pipes of Jersey City ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2281 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 03, 2003 at 17:24:19 Subject: Re: Cunningham to be run out of town shortly : : The bond debacle is only the begining soon more information about the inability of Glenn to lead will be revealed as if you have not seen enough already. Goodbye Mr. Mayor next time they should elect a non-idiot : hmmm looks like this campaign is going down the political pipes of Jersey City fast ... Can't wait to see Cunningham run out of town .. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2282 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 03, 2003 at 17:26:13 Subject: Re: Vasectomy - Afterall he has no balls : Vasectomy - Afterall he has no balls - This was too easy... : : What Medical Procedure should we rename for Ayala? No brainer there .. the man has no balls .. the man is an idiot ... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 2283 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 03, 2003 at 22:46:21 Subject: Council says NO ? I heard the Council voted against the Cunningham Bond scheme tonite. Good for them if they did. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer, Urban Times News posted Message 2284 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 11:40:30 Subject: COUNCIL VOTES FOR LAYOFFS, HIGHER TAXES, FLUSHES $8.5 MILLION IN IMMEDIATE SAVINGS IN THE NAME OF “FISCAL RESPONSIBIITY” sglazer@urbantimesnews.com ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2285 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 12:02:49 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired : Is it a coincidence that once Brian Dorf was fired that Cunningham has been on a winning streak? I'd say Brian Dorf looks very fine ... the goatee and hair are very nice .. better than the idiot that wrote that comment and better than Cunningham and the other idiots too ***************** End Of Article ****************** Chakotay posted Message 2286 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 12:12:08 Subject: Fiscal Responsibility .. Throw da UTN bums out !! We can save the City money by laying off all the UTN staff people pulling down City salaries. Like Martin Jackson, Gloria Wilson, Gary Nye and Steve Glazer. Throw da bums out !!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bergerman posted Message 2287 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 19:00:19 Subject: Re: Fiscal Responsibility .. Throw da UTN bums out !! Refinacing 2 years in a row is unsound financially. Doing it at a higher interest rate is dumb. Not paying any interest for 10 years is crazy. Hiring new people and doling out raises while this is happening should be criminal. Removing the city from the distressed cities program was dumb even for Cunningham.Watching Glenn disintegrate right before your eyes is priceless. ***************** End Of Article ****************** BlandJustice posted Message 2288 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 19:12:19 Subject: The Keystone Council Strikes Back Hey Steve, keep ripping away at them, they'll fold. I think the whole mess is your fault. If you had libeled and slandered them better they would have rolled over. Remember, you catch more flies with vinegar than honey. So whats the next career stop loser. Revenge is a female dog ain't it Stevie. But please stay on the attack, I see them cracking real soon. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2289 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 19:18:44 Subject: Video: Mayor Cunningham Insists On Addressing The Council To view the Online Video, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ring dang doo posted Message 2290 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 19:23:45 Subject: Re: Fiscal Responsibility .. Throw da UTN bums out !! : Refinacing 2 years in a row is unsound financially. Says Who? Doing it at a higher interest rate is dumb. Not if it results in lower payments you can actually meet Not paying any interest for 10 years is crazy. You are crazy. Hiring new people and doling out raises while this is happening should be criminal. You are finally correct. Please look at hiring at the County since DeGise has been in office Removing the city from the distressed cities program was dumb even for Cunningham. Why is that? You obviously have a reason for saying this. Do you mind telling us what that is. Watching Glenn disintegrate right before your eyes is priceless. Depends where your sympathies lie. With the city and the people in it, or the people who want to rob it some more the way they used to before Glenn came to office? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Billie Bob posted Message 2291 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 19:29:11 Subject: Ayala-Political Firebug Watching the whole budget/bond show makes me think of a firebug. The guy who sets a fire, then calls the fire department to come put it out so he can be the hero who sounded the alarm. Ayala to the rescue. Nice going guy! Firebug! ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2292 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 20:54:17 Subject: Re: AYALA RULES : AYALA IS IN CHARGE OF THE WEBSITE. THAT BOY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS Oh boy ..yes there is something mentally and physically wrong with that boy .. I totally agree .. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2293 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 20:57:04 Subject: Re: Ayala Parade get in front and lead or get run over : : The line starts to the rear for the Ayala for Mayor Parade. No it is not official but what is in Hudsonland. A rumor is as good as a fact the only certain thing is you are being wire tapped and eventually will meet a Federal Agent at least one you know is. : And I will cheer the day when you are flushed from the political pipes of Jersey City. I will cheer and do back flips when you are flushed down the political pipes of jersey city ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bergerman posted Message 2294 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 04, 2003 at 22:32:13 Subject: Re: Fiscal Responsibility .. Throw da UTN bums out !! : : Refinacing 2 years in a row is unsound financially. : Says Who? : Doing it at a higher interest rate is dumb. : Not if it results in lower payments you can actually meet : Not paying any interest for 10 years is crazy. : You are crazy. : Hiring new people and doling out raises while this is happening should be criminal. : You are finally correct. Please look at hiring at the County since DeGise has been in office : Removing the city from the distressed cities program was dumb even for Cunningham. : Why is that? You obviously have a reason for saying this. Do you mind telling us what that is. : : Watching Glenn disintegrate right before your eyes is priceless. : Depends where your sympathies lie. With the city and the people in it, or the people who want to rob it some more the way they used to before Glenn came to office? Yo, you want some cheese with that whine? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Trying to make sense of it all posted Message 2295 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 05, 2003 at 07:54:35 Subject: We the people of Jersey City demand control of our destiny If refinancing is to happen and make any sense there is the issue of proper use of funds and a strategic plan going forward to insure the proper use of the funds. Refinance must be tied to other objectives or it is simply an empty barrel. Streamlining government, reducing the cost to deliver services, and insuring the jobs growth are some of those objectives. In order to streamline Jersey City must be a new county to itself the rest is simple. Now the restrictions the Hudson County government places on the city makes it nothing but a football in a weird game. By removing the Hudson County from Jersey City the taxes would go down, growth in housing both upper and lower would go up, and jobs would be created. Jersey City like other municipal structures across the nation must stop being a political subdivision and servant of rich suburban communities that manipulate them for their benefit. While the answer fiscally speaking is refinance the concern of proper use must be addressed. The City Council which has HCDO written all over it is trying to back Glenn into a corner aided by Ayala and others into raising taxes to avoid a short fall in debt servicing. This political game is unacceptable because most of the members of the Council do not have to live with the ramifications of their game especially those that live elsewhere and only have a titular residence in the city for political reasons. We the people of Jersey City demand control of our destiny ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2296 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 05, 2003 at 10:34:12 Subject: Two Month Stunt Senator Smith Hires THREE Children At Taxpayers' Expense N.J. could tighten ethics rules By Robert Moran and Kaitlin Gurney Inquirer Trenton Bureau TRENTON - L. Harvey Smith was sworn in as a New Jersey state senator last week, and one of his first official acts was to put three of his children on the state payroll. Smith (D., Hudson) was indulging in a time-honored Statehouse custom - 18 fellow legislators also have hired relatives, at state salaries ranging from $500 to $55,000. But what passes as tradition in New Jersey is illegal in other states, and legislators here have decided it may be time for a change. . . . Smith is serving just two months to fill a vacancy - the previous officeholder became a judge - before he is replaced by Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. He said he hired his children for his district office because it was difficult to get anyone else to work for such a short period. He said he would support a nepotism ban - and somberly noted that his actions might appear to contradict him. "I feel like I'm saying one thing and doing something else," he said. ### To read the complete piece, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Slap Happy posted Message 2297 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 05, 2003 at 10:43:28 Subject: Re: Two Month Stunt Senator Smith Hires THREE Children At Taxpayers' Expense Hey, leave off! Youse guys ain't treatin' Senator Smitty fair! Considerin' the number of kids he got roamin' about, it's just ODDS that he puts up a HELP WANTED sign an' three winds up rollin' on in! : N.J. could tighten ethics rules : By Robert Moran and Kaitlin Gurney : Inquirer Trenton Bureau : TRENTON - L. Harvey Smith was sworn in as a New Jersey state senator last week, and one of his first official acts was to put three of his children on the state payroll. : Smith (D., Hudson) was indulging in a time-honored Statehouse custom - 18 fellow legislators also have hired relatives, at state salaries ranging from $500 to $55,000. : But what passes as tradition in New Jersey is illegal in other states, and legislators here have decided it may be time for a change. : . . . : Smith is serving just two months to fill a vacancy - the previous officeholder became a judge - before he is replaced by Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. : He said he hired his children for his district office because it was difficult to get anyone else to work for such a short period. : He said he would support a nepotism ban - and somberly noted that his actions might appear to contradict him. "I feel like I'm saying one thing and doing something else," he said. : ### : To read the complete piece, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** GET NJ posted Message 2298 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 05, 2003 at 14:33:50 Subject: Harvey Smith and Kin to be a topic on this week's Reporters' Roundtable? That's the rumor. Check the Link for the NJN schedule. You might also want to watch NJN News on Ch. 13 at 5:30PM on Friday. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Another Menendez Stooge posted Message 2299 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 05, 2003 at 21:48:25 Subject: Harvey's Actions Prove he is A REAL PIG Hogging State jobs for three of his kids as soon as he is sworn into the temporary Senate positiion - UNBELIEVABLE ! Greedy Harvey trying to grab anything that is not nailed down - what a disgrace. I hear he wants to be like the rest of his City Council Voting Bloc and get on the county payroll also -- WHAT A PIG ! Menendez is behind all of this ! : N.J. could tighten ethics rules : By Robert Moran and Kaitlin Gurney : Inquirer Trenton Bureau : TRENTON - L. Harvey Smith was sworn in as a New Jersey state senator last week, and one of his first official acts was to put three of his children on the state payroll. : Smith (D., Hudson) was indulging in a time-honored Statehouse custom - 18 fellow legislators also have hired relatives, at state salaries ranging from $500 to $55,000. : But what passes as tradition in New Jersey is illegal in other states, and legislators here have decided it may be time for a change. : . . . : Smith is serving just two months to fill a vacancy - the previous officeholder became a judge - before he is replaced by Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. : He said he hired his children for his district office because it was difficult to get anyone else to work for such a short period. : He said he would support a nepotism ban - and somberly noted that his actions might appear to contradict him. "I feel like I'm saying one thing and doing something else," he said. : ### : To read the complete piece, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknwn posted Message 2300 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 05, 2003 at 21:49:21 Subject: Re: why dorf was fired : i worked with dorf. he's not a bad guy, he stepped where he didn't belong and attempted to make peace with the north. so he was labeled a traitor for it. and actually, he survived thru more transitions than any other pr director in jc history. guess he did his job. and if you knew your history you would have remembered it was the mayors who kept getting "fired" not the pr guy. he was a survivor. : : Wasn't he fired by more Hudson politico's than anyone in history? Dorf is a great pr guy .. he has a great head on his shoulders .. and i am sure he will be very successful in whatever he pursues .. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Steven Glazer , Urban Times News posted Message 2301 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 06, 2003 at 07:45:38 Subject: JERSEY CITY BOND RATINGS AT RISK WITHOUT DEBT RESTRUCTURING The Bond Watch Continues… ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2302 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 06, 2003 at 10:44:41 Subject: Re: why dorf was fired : : i worked with dorf. he's not a bad guy, he stepped where he didn't belong and attempted to make peace with the north. so he was labeled a traitor for it. and actually, he survived thru more transitions than any other pr director in jc history. guess he did his job. and if you knew your history you would have remembered it was the mayors who kept getting "fired" not the pr guy. he was a survivor. : : : Wasn't he fired by more Hudson politico's than anyone in history? : Dorf is a great pr guy .. he has a great head on his shoulders .. and i am sure he will be very successful in whatever he pursues .. Dorf's work is quality. He is a great PR man. He is a people person and a great writer. He is a real class act! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Real Self Centered Opportunist posted Message 2303 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 06, 2003 at 11:15:44 Subject: Harvey Hogs Jobs for His Kids Harvey the HOG - Trying to Personally Gain at any chance he gets. Thank God he is only the interim Senator. : Hogging State jobs for three of his kids as soon as he is sworn into the temporary Senate positiion - UNBELIEVABLE ! : Greedy Harvey trying to grab anything that is not nailed down - what a disgrace. : I hear he wants to be like the rest of his City Council Voting Bloc and get on the county payroll also -- WHAT A PIG ! : Menendez is behind all of this ! : : : N.J. could tighten ethics rules : : By Robert Moran and Kaitlin Gurney : : Inquirer Trenton Bureau : : TRENTON - L. Harvey Smith was sworn in as a New Jersey state senator last week, and one of his first official acts was to put three of his children on the state payroll. : : Smith (D., Hudson) was indulging in a time-honored Statehouse custom - 18 fellow legislators also have hired relatives, at state salaries ranging from $500 to $55,000. : : But what passes as tradition in New Jersey is illegal in other states, and legislators here have decided it may be time for a change. : : . . . : : Smith is serving just two months to fill a vacancy - the previous officeholder became a judge - before he is replaced by Jersey City Mayor Glenn Cunningham. : : He said he hired his children for his district office because it was difficult to get anyone else to work for such a short period. : : He said he would support a nepotism ban - and somberly noted that his actions might appear to contradict him. "I feel like I'm saying one thing and doing something else," he said. : : ### : : To read the complete piece, click on the Link. ***************** End Of Article ****************** What a crock! posted Message 2304 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 06, 2003 at 13:12:45 Subject: Re: JERSEY CITY BOND RATINGS AT RISK WITHOUT DEBT RESTRUCTURING : The Bond Watch Continues… This coming from a guy who was driven from Wall St. with a stick. Tell everybody about your financial background Stevie.The exact oppsite is true. The City's bond rating is lower than the state's, so why won't the State insure this issuance? Because they don't want the risk or a lowering of their rating. How's the wife and kids doin? ***************** End Of Article ****************** BA / BS Detector posted Message 2305 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 06, 2003 at 15:05:39 Subject: Another idiotic response from the Chief of Staff Ayala, you're an idiot. If you hadn't interferred in the first place, Carlton would had the deal done months ago. And since interest rates have risen a full point in the past 30-days, YOU have cost taxpayers MILLIONS. Nice job Billy. The problem is that you think you actually have something to contribute....what a joke. Just another Cunningham Kool-Aid Thug in over his head. Gonna try to blame this debacle on Schuldner too? That is gettin old. Just do us all a favor an slither back under the rock you came out from. : : The Bond Watch Continues… : This coming from a guy who was driven from Wall St. with a stick. Tell everybody about your financial background Stevie.The exact oppsite is true. The City's bond rating is lower than the state's, so why won't the State insure this issuance? Because they don't want the risk or a lowering of their rating. How's the wife and kids doin? ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2306 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 06, 2003 at 18:11:34 Subject: Re: Don't insult parasites : Brian "Dorfed" up the administration for a year. Whoever wrote that above comment "Brian 'Dorfed' up the administration for a year" is so very wrong ... I believe the Ayala screwed up ...Brian Dorf is a great PR man and knows how to run a successful campaign. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2307 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 06, 2003 at 18:15:54 Subject: Re: Check your spelling!!!! : I object to the harsh tone used against "parasites" : First, how hard can it be to use spell check! : Second, comparing Parasites (who are a valuable part of the world's ecology) to Brian Dorf, is offensive to Parasites. We need to distinguish between a necessary organism in Nature's food chain from Brian Dorf for which there is no justification. : He got fired, drives around in a corvette, and lives off of his daddy. : And think of this. Of all the real winners down in City Hall, Dorf is the only one to manange to get himself fired. : And yes, the Cunningham Team has been on a big winning streak since he was canned. I don't think Dorf managed to get himself fired .. I think someone set him up .. He is too much of a great PR man. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Anthony Russo Civic Assoc posted Message 2308 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 05:17:35 Subject: Russo's swearing in Party Councilman Michael Russo with Castellano, Campos, and Soares ***************** End Of Article ****************** Smith is an idiot. posted Message 2309 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 08:24:00 Subject: Re: Two Month Stunt Senator Smith Hires THREE Children At Taxpayers' Expense Harvey you couldn't find anyone to hire besides family? What about Don Howard, Mary Finn and numerous others who were available and more quailified. Your true colors come out each day ! ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2310 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 09:19:23 Subject: Re: Poor Management due to a closed mind : Ayala thinks he knows it all he is the master of the universe. The reality is the man is a dunce, a dullard, and generally unfit to walk dogs. Yet the mayor (Mayor Cunningham) continues to listen to this long haul truck driver on matters that are complex and require some area of expertise. If I want a good delivery on a carton I'll call Ayala but he should not be making policy in the arbitary manner he does. This is a Western : Society where critical thinking is required not some third world nation where those with the power rule regardless of their ability to make informed choices. It is after all the government by the PEOPLE for the PEOPLE and should serve the PEOPLE. While HCDO was designed to steal funds from the public the current mayor's adminstration is designed to statisfy some closed idea of a moment in the sun. Ward F should be better served the dreams of a Mayor for all the people must be realized. Stop Cunningham unless he changes his ways. This mudslinging is just disgusting and immature ... Leave Dorf alone .. He is a great guy and excellent pr man .. It is Ayala and Cunningham that are disgusting and so wrong ***************** End Of Article ****************** Earson posted Message 2311 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 10:36:53 Subject: Re: Russo's swearing in Party Where is Mayor-Man? Cunningham missed a photo opp.......Stanley! ***************** End Of Article ****************** : ) posted Message 2312 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 11:52:19 Subject: Re: Two Month Stunt Senator Smith Hires THREE Children At Taxpayers' Expense : Harvey you couldn't find anyone to hire besides family? : What about Don Howard, Mary Finn and numerous others who were available and more quailified. : Your true colors come out each day ! Jack finn would have been a great choice. ***************** End Of Article ****************** I hate communist posted Message 2313 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 18:13:11 Subject: ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNIST Regardless if its Glenn or the HCDO they are all Communist they steal from the people and fill their own pockets toss them all out of office run them out of the state. I do not propose violence but rather the concepts of freedom from having municipal funds stolen by any elected official. I do not care who butters their bread at the expense of the people it is wrong and must be stamped out. All the services that never get delivered in particular the schools they all the DEMOCRATS STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE JUST LIKE STALIN. Steal no more and elect someone who will not. The refinancing is only a cover to ease the minds of voters or as the pinkos say useful idiots. ***************** End Of Article ****************** unknown posted Message 2314 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 20:51:50 Subject: Re: Cunningham's winning streak starts after DORF was fired : : :: I thought his hair & goatee made him look like a potential candidate for the lead in a revival of Damn Yankees. : : : : : Is it a coincidence that once Brian Dorf was fired that Cunningham has been on a winning streak? : Hmmmm .. I believe someone is totally out of touch because Brian's hair and goatee are very nice and he wears them very well .. I do find your childish comments extremely immature and disgusting and hope your political campaign goes down the political pipes of Jersey really fast I believe Ayala looks like a weezel .. he is such an idiot ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tail Gunner Joe posted Message 2315 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 22:42:52 Subject: THE RED MENACE It's hard to believe neanderthal McCarthyite's like you still exist. Oh well, at least you're good for a few laughs. If you hadn't noticed, the Democrats came to power in a free election. I guess there just aren't enough of you Real Americans out there. ***************** End Of Article ****************** WeezilDeal posted Message 2316 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 07, 2003 at 22:45:22 Subject: Nope No mention of Smith that I heard. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tail Gunner Joe was a Hero with bad methods posted Message 2317 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 08, 2003 at 17:11:10 Subject: Re: THE RED MENACE Well Tail Gunner Joe was right but his method for removing State Department Socialist was wrong. As it stands now the Secretary of State is not allowed to remove an employee from the State Department that is done by an eight person board all composed of Georgetown University Grads and Career Service Officers. The issue is that many of the teaching and ideas proposed by Marx and others are being put in place by mostly the Democrats but some Republicans. Eventually we have the same system as if it where a Communist Regime whereby all the resources are used and abused by those that are elected. One thing to think about is the Former Soviet Union had elections and so do many depostic regimes. The truth is the government has too much power and uses that power to enrich its particpants rather than actually deliver the services as stated. The great Communist Plot Tail Gunner Joe spoke of is upon us and it walks the halls of power with a party affiliation of Democrat freely elected by idiots that appreciate being stolen from. : It's hard to believe neanderthal McCarthyite's like you still exist. Oh well, at least you're good for a few laughs. : If you hadn't noticed, the Democrats came to power in a free election. I guess there just aren't enough of you Real Americans out there. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Snake In The Desert posted Message 2318 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 08, 2003 at 18:13:16 Subject: Baghdad On The Hudson DEMOCRATIC LEADER: SENATE PANEL MADE PROGRESS ON ETHICS REFORM TRENTON - Democratic Senate Leader Bernard F. Kenny Jr. said the Senate State Government Committee made progess today on legislative ethics reform even though it officially released just one bill - a ban on gifts to lawmakers - on its agenda. ***************** End Of Article ****************** pat omelia posted Message 2319 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 08, 2003 at 18:49:15 Subject: Tonites topics on HCT. Cunningham, the council and revolution, Senator. L Harvey Smith and family go to Trenton, Schundler sightings, snow storm, all this and more 9PM WNSW 1430AM radio Hudson County's Talking ***************** End Of Article ****************** Snake In The Dessert posted Message 2320 in the Hudson County Politics Message Board Forum Dated : December 08, 2003 at 19:01:49 Subject: Senator Smitty's Finest Hour? I just can't wait to hear what Senator Smitty's got to say about NEPOTISM! : DEMOCRATIC LEADER: SENATE PANEL MADE PROGRESS ON ETHICS REFORM : TRENTON - Democratic Senate Leader Bernard F. Kenny Jr. said the Senate State Government Committee made progess today on legislative ethics reform even though it officially released just one bill -